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School cancels play that had racist slur as original title
wtol.com — A widely performed school play has been canceled by officials at a suburban Cincinnati high school after complaints from a local NAACP official.
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- GemStar38, on 11/28/2007, -6/+151There is such a thing as being too Politically Correct.
- jmpeagle, on 11/28/2007, -2/+45no there isn't...I demand henceforth that men and women will now be called he-people and she-people.
- WernerCD, on 11/28/2007, -14/+4he-people and hoe-people more like it.
let the uproar begin. - WaltDismal, on 11/28/2007, -4/+26Well, actually, the grammatically-correct term for an annoying bad-tempered she-person is: 'bitch'.
- gal3on64, on 11/28/2007, -3/+5Males and felines.
- Ragix, on 11/28/2007, -6/+1Actually they are called Males and Females (not he-people and she-people)
Commence burial.
- WernerCD, on 11/28/2007, -14/+4he-people and hoe-people more like it.
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2This makes me embarrassed to be from Cincinnati, well for not standing up to the NAACP and telling them to fuhq off on this one. I'm all for equality, and I have a long posting history to back that, but this is fuhqing retarded. Use has no intent to be derogative, it is not presented in a derogative manner. It was the accepted term for "Native Americans" at the time. Would I be offended by a play called "10 Little Honkies" or "10 Little Crackers", absolutely not, and those would be intentionally derogative, (of course, those plays would have to be about racist a$$monkeys, but still). Grow the fuhq up, and grow some fuhqin skin.
- DeadTorrent, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2Who the ***** spells *****, fuhq, what the ***** is ***** wrong with you, I mean *****!
- aduzik, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I'm as politically correct as the next person, but even I thought this is excessive.
- jmpeagle, on 11/28/2007, -2/+45no there isn't...I demand henceforth that men and women will now be called he-people and she-people.
- NewsGuy2005, on 11/28/2007, -18/+47Indians is now a racial slur? I don't get it. Maybe they don't like that it was "little Indians"? Pfffffffff!!!!!!!!
- Beakerz, on 11/28/2007, -4/+22I'm Indian/Native American w/e you want to call it (Cherokee) and i don't even care when people call me a prairie *****... i find it entertaining actually.
ah well, this country no longer thinks that there are phrases out there that are not racist...- itsthebrod, on 11/28/2007, -0/+9I just want to personally thank you for introducing me to a new slur that I can now add to my ever-growing library. Before this, I usually had to resort to the standby of "firewater drinkers," which in retrospect, really wasn't too effective.
- Humptydank, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3Leave it to Americans to insult one race and still find a way to insult black people at the same time. If we could be that efficient in our energy usage we wouldn't have to buy a single barrel of oil.
- PopcornDave, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1Yeah, because Agatha Christie was American.
Maybe you should be on Fox's "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"
/sarcasm- Humptydank, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1I was referring to the phrase Beakerz mentioned, which was "prairie *****."
- PopcornDave, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1Yeah, because Agatha Christie was American.
- luizengo, on 11/28/2007, -0/+14This made me wonder if that nursery rhyme "ten little indian boys" used to have the N-bomb instead... time to check "the google"
- absurdist, on 11/28/2007, -2/+2no, you're confusing it with "Eenie, meenie, miney, moe, catch a ***** by the toe..."
- Seidoger, on 11/28/2007, -1/+12"The play is based on Christie's *****1939***** mystery novel.
But local NAACP president Gary Hines says the play is inappropriate for a school production because the original title for Christie's novel used a racial slur."
This Gary Hines is not being reasonable..
So it was good for 67 years but suddenly on the 68th it's not?
HELLO!.. This is a classic, shut up idiot. Just don't go see it and cry alone in the corner of your kitchen in fetal position. - davidlow, on 11/28/2007, -0/+9No, it's a slur against Little People. I personally find it offensive, and if I could find my step stool and reach the keyboard better I'd tell you more about it.
- Beakerz, on 11/28/2007, -4/+22I'm Indian/Native American w/e you want to call it (Cherokee) and i don't even care when people call me a prairie *****... i find it entertaining actually.
- WordsnCollision, on 11/28/2007, -5/+68If the "Indians" wore turbans, would that be OK?
- stevedclarke, on 11/28/2007, -0/+32Then it would be: 'Ten Little Sikhs'.
- MarrowMan, on 11/28/2007, -4/+4Dugg for knowing that and correcting an *****
- stevedclarke, on 11/28/2007, -0/+32Then it would be: 'Ten Little Sikhs'.
- EmperorAnton, on 11/28/2007, -9/+12Can they change the title to "10 Little Native Americans"...just doesn't sound the same.
- boomchockalocka, on 11/28/2007, -0/+9Maybe they should change the name to Ten Little Washington Redskins.
- Babblin5, on 11/28/2007, -7/+31How about "10 Little Mohicans" since the last one is gone anyway... stupid, stupid school.
- MewTwo, on 11/28/2007, -13/+3rtfa
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2Try stupid stupid NAACP
- redmonkey, on 11/28/2007, -10/+7Organization with head who was using racial slur complain about racial slur . It sounds funny.
- jordanau, on 11/28/2007, -2/+45This should help things make more sense...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_N ... - AriaStar, on 11/28/2007, -6/+55Look, when things get to this point, it INCREASES intolerance. So the NAACP is really shooting itself in the foot with this one. Next thing you know brownies will have to be renamed, or chocolate, thanks to a couple Katrina idiots. The best point to get to is to take away any power that certain words have. As Dumbledore said (yeah, I'm actually going to paraphrase a Harry Potter character), fear of a name increases fear of the person (or, in this case word) itself.
And let's make it worse for the kids who worked hard to put on this production and cancel it right before it's to be performed.- LargeTrout, on 11/28/2007, -6/+14Agreed. Political Correctness is the most pathetic attempt at appeasing minorities in the history of mankind. It just makes the majority despise them more for being told what to do and how to behave towards the minority.
- manicallday, on 11/28/2007, -18/+4Huh? Your rant makes absolutely no sense. You clearly didn't bother to understand the why people could be possibly upset over a play -albeit now toned down- that was so clearly racist. Like lets just say there was a book called 5 Little Whore ***** which portrayed women getting raped. So your saying that such a book will be okay as a high school play if they change Whore ***** to Bitches and tone down the story? That's exactly what they did here. Actually if you bother to read the actual history of the book you would see that it's worst than that.
In fact, ***** it. Let's just make Birth of A Nation a high school musical. How ***** awesome would that be?- andshewas, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7What in the hell is wrong with you? The play WAS NOT about women getting raped, or anything nearly as awful as that. You missed the point completely. The word "*****" in the story did not carry a negative connotation, such as it does today.
Grow up and get your head out of your politically correct ass.- demiurgency, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4"The play WAS NOT about women getting raped, or anything nearly as awful as that."
You're right. It was about people getting murdered. ;-)- andshewas, on 11/28/2007, -0/+6Yes, you're right. But the poster above (manicallday) was trying out the shock value approach, which isn't the point of the play. There were no awful murder scenes, it's merely an old nursery rhyme. Many of the rhymes from back in the day were odd, but they shouldn't call for censorship today because we are all so afraid of offending each other. Tolerance is for scaredy-cats.
- demiurgency, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4"The play WAS NOT about women getting raped, or anything nearly as awful as that."
- johnnick, on 11/28/2007, -0/+8Manicallday, you clearly didn't bother to understand the plot of the story. The characters were not African-American, Native American or Indian. They were simply killed off in the manner described in an old nursery rhyme, which was originally (ie in the 1860s) written using "*****" and subsequently modified to be the song we now know as "10 Little Indians." A similar concept was used in the movie "Seven" where the killer murdered people in the manner of the 7 Deadly Sins, but I wouldn't say that movie was either pro- or anti-Christian, that was simply the killer's inspiration.
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3If you wrote the play and left it in it's original form, it would be acceptable. If you dumb it down to bitches, then you are a retard, and you have killed all literal value.
- absurdist, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3I think you mean "literary", but you're spot on.
- AriaStar, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1If at one point in history there was such a story and it was seen as fine for the time, then I would not be entirely adverse to its production now. ignoring how people have thought throughout history only increases ignorance. Huck Finn had liberal use of the word "*****," which I don't like, but you know what? It was a commonly-used term for black people when the book was written, a reflection of the time period. We have to be willing to face both good and bad in history.
But you're an idiot anyway, so I wouldn't expect you to know that. Read up on what the story is about. johnnick in a reply two above outlines it.
- andshewas, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7What in the hell is wrong with you? The play WAS NOT about women getting raped, or anything nearly as awful as that. You missed the point completely. The word "*****" in the story did not carry a negative connotation, such as it does today.
- spidoman, on 11/28/2007, -1/+36Next we should not be able to read Huck Finn. :(
- cawpin, on 11/28/2007, -0/+20There are already places where that's in effect.
- imbetterthanu, on 11/28/2007, -0/+5Not to mention the possibility of ever seeing "Song of the South" on DVD.
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2I do believe you can order it in Asian markets. But, yeah, you have to import it to get it.
- virtualmadden, on 11/28/2007, -3/+15My high school history prof would always tell us about real historical facts that couldn't be included in textbooks, because they didn't fit under "politically correct". I guess some groups have to have a pissing contest to feel relevant.
- DirtySnachez, on 11/28/2007, -3/+36Ten little Indian boys went out to dine; One choked his little self and then there were Nine.
Nine little Indian boys sat up very late; One overslept himself and then there were Eight.
Eight little Indian boys traveling in Devon; One said he'd stay there and then there were Seven.
Seven little Indian boys chopping up sticks; One chopped himself in halves and then there were Six.
Six little Indian boys playing with a hive; A bumblebee stung one and then there were Five.
Five little Indian boys going in for law; One got into Chancery and then there were Four.
Four little Indian boys going out to sea; A red herring swallowed one and then there were Three.
Three little Indian boys walking in the Zoo; A big bear hugged one and then there were Two.
Two Little Indian boys playing with a gun; One shot the other and then there was one.
One little Indian boy left all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
racism > murder, slothfulness, being killed by animals, gluttony and suicide.- frostbyt, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7It is more like a warning. Children's songs where used back in the day to scare you into not doing something.
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+8How many clueless soccer mom's would freak out if they realized the Pied Piper was a child molester. The rats were children. It was the modern day equivalent to "Don't talk to strangers".
- TomJohn, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Back in which day, exactly?
- frostbyt, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7It is more like a warning. Children's songs where used back in the day to scare you into not doing something.
- Pentatonic, on 11/28/2007, -1/+38There shouldn't be any problem since the title was changed. It's not like the play itself was focused on racial discrimination against blacks. Stupid America. Being too politically correct is just as stupid as someone who is overtly and offensively racist.
- meed, on 11/28/2007, -8/+10I'm still wondering what the racial slur is, since odviously "indian" is not a racial slur, it is mearly what the first europeans who came to america called the natives when they thought they had landed at our around india. Sorta like how people started calling audio shows delivered on the internet "pod casts" because the hords of apple fan boys couldn't consider that people (like me) would listen to it on anything other than a ipod (insert deleted two sentence rant here).
Now if it was named 'ten little honkies" that would be offensive.- tuxidomasx, on 11/28/2007, -1/+11the original title was "Ten Little *****"
after reading the original version, its actually a pretty ***** up rhyme- jgzman, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Have you tried the original Grimm Fairy Tails?
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3I was raised on Grimm's :)
- jgzman, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Have you tried the original Grimm Fairy Tails?
- tuxidomasx, on 11/28/2007, -1/+11the original title was "Ten Little *****"
- OswaldKenobi, on 11/28/2007, -3/+13Both parties are at fault here. First, the NAACP need not get involved at all. The title of the novel is "Ten Little Indians." Should we ban the book because of the title? Second, the school could just change the name of the show to "And Then There Were None." Problem solved.
- Arkavus, on 11/28/2007, -1/+15He didn't complain because the title was Ten Little Indians he complained because a long ass time ago when the book was first published it was called Ten Little *****.
- OswaldKenobi, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2I've read the book, and it is a murder mystery. If the NAACP fought to pull the play because it was called "Ten Little *****" in 1939, but has 2 other alternate titles, the NAACP should be ashamed.
- ChuyMatt, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1and the only reason it was called that was because of the rhyme that was called the same thing. it had NOTHING to do with race in the book at all.
- OswaldKenobi, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2I've read the book, and it is a murder mystery. If the NAACP fought to pull the play because it was called "Ten Little *****" in 1939, but has 2 other alternate titles, the NAACP should be ashamed.
- manicallday, on 11/28/2007, -7/+6The reason why they stop the performance:
Jon Weidlich, spokesman for Butler County school district, said subsequent discussions - after district officials met with Hines earlier this month - among students and staff at Lakota East High School led to the decision to cancel the play.
"After learning of the play's origins and the hurt that it caused, we had hoped to use the performances as a way to create a discussion about diversity of all kinds in our community. However, students and staff continued to raise issues, and it was quickly obvious that bad feelings about the play were much more widespread and strong than originally thought. The best action seemed to be to switch to a different play," Weidlich said.
Keith Kline, Lakota East principal, said: "Certainly, it was a tough decision but one that needed to be made.
"Doing the play now is not a way to promote the respectfulness we are trying to promote."
I guess, unlike Digg, not all white people are separatist racist.- DirtySnachez, on 11/28/2007, -4/+4no, some of them are spineless pussies who even let the libtards beat them up.
- bemenaker, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2WTF are you talking about? Where in the hell do you come off calling us racists? You obviously don't read the postings here very much do you? Flamebait boy
- Arkavus, on 11/28/2007, -1/+15He didn't complain because the title was Ten Little Indians he complained because a long ass time ago when the book was first published it was called Ten Little *****.
- tauntz, on 11/28/2007, -8/+32I don't get it.
Agatha Christie wrote a book that was sold under the names "And Then There Were None", "Ten Little *****" and "Ten Little Indians". The book became a bestseller with 100 million sales to date, making it the world's best-selling mystery. [wikipedia]
And now it is basically forbidden in the USA to make a school-play based on the book? Wow... This ban would be unimaginable in other civilized countries. And you, citizens of USA, are not doing anything against it? How can you just sit there and do nothing while you are being enslaved by the man who tells you what you can do and what not? What's the next step? Its forbidden to say certain words or sentences in public?- jerryterhorst, on 11/28/2007, -2/+9uh, what exactly would you have us do, Oh Wise One? take to the streets over a play being cancelled? "basically forbidden"? the school v-o-l-u-n-t-a-r-i-l-y did not show the play, no one was forcing them not to. do you even know what the NAACP is? im not even going to touch your ridiculous extrapolation of this event.
- pgillan, on 11/28/2007, -2/+8I'm being totally serious now, not trying to start anything, but what should the (literally) hundreds of millions of us who have absolutely no ties to this particular school district do? This was a local school board decision. Again, I'm not trying to be smartass, I'd genuinely like to know; this sort of thing seems to come up a lot, and I don't want to be enslaved by the man.
- active1x0, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3"What's the next step? Its forbidden to say certain words or sentences in public?"
It's already happening. New York City has banned use of the word '*****': http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6406625. ...
- semeticstallion, on 11/28/2007, -1/+15It's a simple fix really. Turn all the lead characters into Dell tech support and then it's not racist at all.
- sittered, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Well, then we're being sizeist.
- semeticstallion, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2They're only little because they're sitting down.
- PopcornDave, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1But will you be able to understand them?
- sittered, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Well, then we're being sizeist.
- TripcodeMel, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5A shame, too, because it's a damn good play. I was Wargrave in a production in my Sophomore year of high school.
- graeh, on 11/28/2007, -13/+2Did it have "coloured" in the title?
Because TBH - I find that to be a pretty damned offensive term.- TheDiggerz, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5Read the article before posting
- Frost9999, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4The article didn't mention the original title - "Ten Little *****". When I last performed this play we called it "And then there were nine" or something like that.
- graeh, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1It was actually intended as light hearted jab at the NAACP's acronym. Times have changed enough (through their efforts) that a term in their organisations name is considered a little offensive. Which is most certainly a good thing - hence it being a light hearted jab. Not a sarcastic/racist put down.
- TheDiggerz, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5Read the article before posting
- poppacherry, on 11/28/2007, -8/+1this is why people should die
- graemee, on 11/28/2007, -3/+9Did someone kissed Rev Jackson's ass again?
- d3lta, on 11/28/2007, -1/+17Wonder if they'll cancel "The Nutcracker" for partial use of the term cracker...
- Sc5i, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1See my comment below about Damn Yankees...
- Flashman, on 11/28/2007, -2/+8In Australia we have Coon cheese, which survived legal action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_cheese
- chestertonb, on 11/28/2007, -0/+17Does it go well with crackers?
- Flashman, on 11/28/2007, -0/+10Well played, sir.
- frostbyt, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3Coon cheese shaw do go good wiff ya crackas suure. Would ja like a cold bear massa wiff ya coon cheese?
- ZenMojo, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1There's the Louisiana ***** Bird and the Coon Dog and no one's ever complained about them in the United States.
- ChuyMatt, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1last i recall, people had coon dogs to hunt coons. Not Black people, but raccoons.
- chestertonb, on 11/28/2007, -0/+17Does it go well with crackers?
- jerryterhorst, on 11/28/2007, -2/+34sorry guys, we have to ban the constitution; some of the people who wrote it supported slavery.
- Lanefair, on 11/28/2007, -1/+13You'd have to start enforcing it before you could ban it.
- TheDiggerz, on 11/28/2007, -8/+3How the hell is indians a racial slur?
- Smalldude76, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2My 'Enquirer' alarm just went off.
- fcukbush, on 11/28/2007, -1/+26Any organisation that has "colored people" in their name has no business talking about racial slurs.
- boomchockalocka, on 11/28/2007, -0/+8I think it's funny that "colored people" makes most of them angry, while "people of color" is somehow politically correct.
- PopcornDave, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1But isn't black the *absence* of color?
- ZenMojo, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Brown is actually all colors mixed together, so...
- britblogger, on 11/28/2007, -2/+8this country is well on its way to *****.
- greaseddeafguy, on 11/28/2007, -4/+15so let me get this straight
the play once had the N word in the title
the name was changed to remove that offensive term
there are no racial slurs in the play
but the NAACP has a problem because it once had the N word the the title - 65 years ago. But NAACP still stands for national association for the advancement of COLORED persons. so the play is bad because it once had a slur but has since been fixed, but the NAACP can still call its patrons "colored"
there is a reason that racism still exists in modern America, and Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are the cause not the solution.- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -5/+7"there is a reason that racism still exists in modern America, and Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are the cause not the solution."
Sorry, I'm not buying it. I certainly don't agree with everything that Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP do and say, but I hardly think they are the cause of racism in modern America. Racism has existed for centuries in America, and it's naive to suppose that such deeply ingrained attitudes would magically disappear if Jackson and Sharpton and the NAACP were to go away.- greaseddeafguy, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5This story caused by the NAACP, the racial stir created by Jackson at Duke University, the openly anti-semitic comments made by many black leaders..... if you can't see how these things cause racism, then you are just a moron.
- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2"This story caused by the NAACP,"
I wholeheartedly agree that this makes the NAACP look pretty stupid-- like I said, I don't agree with everything they say, and this is a good example of why that is. But I don't think this causes racism in America. I just can't imagine any white person saying, "You know, I used to think black people were just as smart and capable as white people, but after reading this, I'm really starting to hate them as a group." Nor can I imagine a black person reading this article and saying, "You know, I've tried all my life to respect the majority of white people who try to play fair and who don't mean me any harm. But now that I've read that one high school tried to put on a non-racist play that was based on a non-racist book whose title used to include the N-word sixty years ago, I've decided to join the Nation and starting hating Whitey on a full time basis." I suppose this might happen to a few isolated (and mentally unstable) individuals, but enough to perpetuate racism in our culture? Unlikely.
"the racial stir created by Jackson at Duke University"
I see this less as a racial issue and more as a reflection of the fact that when it comes to sexual crimes, our society often takes a "guilty until proven innocent" approach. This is especially notable when accusations of pedophilia are involved-- I've heard it said that in America, pedophilia is considered so heinous that even innocence is no excuse-- but it occurs with accusations of rape as well. There was indeed a rush to convict the players before trial, and once that rush got started, it became natural to add accusations of racism to the mix-- hardly surprising, given the races and classes of the accused and the accuser, and the long history of white-on-black rape in our country.
I *do* believe that Sharpton owes the Duke players an apology, and the fact that he hasn't offered one is one more reason why I don't like the guy. But I don't think that his refusal to apologize contributes to racism. When white people (who aren't already racists) look at Sharpton's refusal to apologize, they don't think, "That does it, black people really are a bunch of idiots!" They think, "Sharpton's an *****. I wonder what's for supper?"
"the openly anti-semitic comments made by many black leaders"
Again, no argument here. These comments are irresponsible, no two ways about it. But a *cause* of racism? Unlikely. Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan (who, btw, is a flat-out loon IMNSHO) are simply reflecting (or more cynically, playing upon) a pre-existing anti-Semitism that already exists in the black community. They aren't helping the issue, but they certainly didn't cause it.
In any event, black-on-Jewish racism, while just as evil as any other racism, is hardly the most pressing problem in America right now. White-on-black racism, white-on-Jewish racism, white-on-Hispanic racism, and white-on-Middle-Easterner racism are far more prevalent, and far more problematic.
"if you can't see how these things cause racism, then you are just a moron."
Or maybe, just maybe, you haven't thought things through as carefully as you think you have. I think this is the more likely hypothesis, as your argument appears to consist of nothing more than "if you don't agree with me then you're a dummyhead!"- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Apologies for the double-post. Please digg the second one down.
- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1"This story caused by the NAACP,"
I wholeheartedly agree that this makes the NAACP look pretty stupid-- like I said, I don't agree with everything they say, and this is a good example of why that is. But I don't think this causes racism in America. I just can't imagine any white person saying, "You know, I used to think black people were just as smart and capable as white people, but after reading this, I'm really starting to hate them as a group." Nor can I imagine a black person reading this article and saying, "You know, I've tried all my life to respect the majority of white people who try to play fair and who don't mean me any harm. But now that I've read that one high school tried to put on a non-racist play that was based on a non-racist book whose title used to include the N-word sixty years ago, I've decided to join the Nation and starting hating Whitey on a full time basis." I suppose this might happen to a few isolated (and mentally unstable) individuals, but enough to perpetuate racism in our culture? Unlikely.
"the racial stir created by Jackson at Duke University"
I see this less as a racial issue and more as a reflection of the fact that when it comes to sexual crimes, our society often takes a "guilty until proven innocent" approach. This is especially notable when accusations of pedophilia are involved-- I've heard it said that in America, pedophilia is considered so heinous that even innocence is no excuse-- but it occurs with accusations of rape as well. There was indeed a rush to convict the players before trial, and once that rush got started, it became natural to add accusations of racism to the mix-- hardly surprising, given the races and classes of the accused and the accuser, and the long history of white-on-black rape in our country.
I *do* believe that Sharpton owes the Duke players an apology, and the fact that he hasn't offered one is one more reason why I don't like the guy. But I don't think that his refusal to apologize contributes to racism. When white people (who aren't already racists) look at Sharpton's refusal to apologize, they don't think, "That does it, black people really are a bunch of idiots!" They think, "Sharpton's an *****. I wonder what's for supper?"
"the openly anti-semitic comments made by many black leaders"
Again, no argument here. These comments are irresponsible, no two ways about it. But a *cause* of racism? Unlikely. Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan (who, btw, is a flat-out loon IMNSHO) are simply reflecting (or more cynically, playing upon) a pre-existing anti-Semitism that already exists in the black community. They aren't helping the issue, but they certainly didn't cause it.
In any event, black-on-Jewish racism, while just as evil as any other racism, is hardly the most pressing problem in America right now. White-on-black racism, white-on-Jewish racism, white-on-Hispanic racism, and white-on-Middle-Easterner racism are far more prevalent, and far more problematic.
"if you can't see how these things cause racism, then you are just a moron."
Or maybe, just maybe, you haven't thought things through as carefully as you think you have. I think this is the more likely hypothesis, as your argument appears to consist of nothing more than "if you don't agree with me then you're a dummyhead!"
- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2"This story caused by the NAACP,"
- greaseddeafguy, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5This story caused by the NAACP, the racial stir created by Jackson at Duke University, the openly anti-semitic comments made by many black leaders..... if you can't see how these things cause racism, then you are just a moron.
- Jondi10, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7They're certainly not the cause of racism. That is caused by people their self. For most people racism is caused by hearing what their parents thought as one was growing up. But the NAACP isn't doing anything to make peoples opinion on racism any different by what they're doing. If you pick everything apart in order to get some kind of racism out of it then it'll just aggravate people and won't change a thing.
- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -5/+7"there is a reason that racism still exists in modern America, and Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are the cause not the solution."
- KaJuN4, on 11/28/2007, -2/+6Schools today are trying to allow students to graduate as well-rounded individuals. How can they even hope to accomplish that if they don't let their students see everything that's out there?
Some people need to get a life and stop looking for trivial little things to complain about. Political correctness is getting out of hand.- WoollyMittens, on 11/28/2007, -0/+10"Schools today are trying to allow students to graduate as well-rounded individuals."
No schools are specificaly designed to breed new generations of obedient workers.- RealmDown, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7Who will go through life with the specific objective of not offending anyone for any reason.
- Btzarro, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Dont you mean 'Turn conservative after they see one brown person working there'
- RealmDown, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1No.
- Btzarro, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Dont you mean 'Turn conservative after they see one brown person working there'
- RealmDown, on 11/28/2007, -0/+7Who will go through life with the specific objective of not offending anyone for any reason.
- hybridcreation, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2"Political correctness is getting out of hand."
It's been out of hand.
- WoollyMittens, on 11/28/2007, -0/+10"Schools today are trying to allow students to graduate as well-rounded individuals."
- Bananimal, on 11/28/2007, -2/+8The category is: People that annoy you.
- woohhaa, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2Naggers!
What word that starts with an N and ends with a R would you not want to call a black person?
- woohhaa, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2Naggers!
- Sc5i, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4Back when I was in high school some teachers didn't want us to perform the musical "Damn Yankees" Thankfully the principal stood up for the theater department and said "Too bad, it's a classic American musical, deal with it." These things are part of our culture, why can't people accept that. What's in a name anyways? Ask most Indi... I mean "native Americans" if they would rather be called Indians or "native Americans."
- MarrowMan, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Why not call the person, I dunno, his/her name? Why does everyone have to be separated by race?
- tigernakh, on 11/28/2007, -0/+0I actually used to live in the Lakota school district (attended Lakota West some 5 years ago) and I remembered when the original Lakota High School, before it split, actually did a rather good rendition of "Damn Yankees." Funny what fights people choose.
- mal1964, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1This will be the third change to the title three little Indians was added after she thought the original of three drunk Indians was a bit insensitive.
- Treoinmypocket, on 11/28/2007, -3/+9CRAP. CRAP. MEGA CRAP.
1st of all what fabulous reporting by the author of the article. "Who, What, When, Where, Why." much. The original title of the book was omitted from the article: 'Ten Little *****'. When it was changed to Ten Little Indians there was a lot of protest by East Indians which led to the PLAY (not the book) being retitled 'and then there were none'. That last bit is odd because the play ends with two survivors.
2nd - So we have racial sensitivity win in that the title was changed (also the the accompanying nursery rhyme) and then decades later some a-hole loosely affiliated with the NAACP and whose income is derived from selling ...DIVERSITY TRAINING...comes along and says it doesn't matter that is was made right because it USED to be wrong.
The guy is just trying to get a sale. Of course this is exactly the tactic that built Jesse Jackson's coffers so you can't blame him for being shrewd.- Makr, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2Only the boatman survives. The last character is assumed to hang her self. The play ends with a noose around her neck, or something like that.
- Treoinmypocket, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3I think you are right. Still one is more than none.
- Makr, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2Only the boatman survives. The last character is assumed to hang her self. The play ends with a noose around her neck, or something like that.
- KLowD9x, on 11/28/2007, -6/+9NAACP is the cause.
Not the solution.- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -4/+5I might actually agree with your second statement, but the first is certainly false. As I pointed out above, racism has existed in America for centuries. It would be foolish to suppose that the same racist attitudes which have been woven into our cultural fabric for so long would magically disappear if the NAACP were to go away.
- bubba9999, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3Almost nobody alive today knew that this play ever had another title before this. Is damage actually done if nobody knows about the original title?
- WoollyMittens, on 11/28/2007, -1/+4Yeah sure... and let's deny all past culture. Scrub it clean to today's standards. No more cowboy. No more indians. No more pirates. No more ninjas. Let's just call them "extra special happy people".
- Makr, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1Uhm, most everyone knows what the original title was.
- s0nicfreak, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Then what's up with all the people saying "What's racist about Indians?"
- MarrowMan, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1not everyone is 14, unlike you we ***** read BOOKS instead of playing Wii 9 hours a day
- JonnyTrombone, on 11/28/2007, -2/+5It sucks that they can't perform what they want- but let's face it: High School plays tend to suck anyway.
- andshewas, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2They don't suck for the kids involved. They put a lot of after school time and effort into acting in plays. I think they are a great way for kids to meet each other and see if they like acting. Don't ***** on it because you have a short attention span and stuff doesn't blow up.
- shizane, on 11/28/2007, -3/+1In other news, I have just filed a class action lawsuit against Kevin Rose. Digg has 2 G's in it. Just like...
- nesibus, on 11/28/2007, -1/+6Great...so when are they going to pull Dark Chocolate ice cream from the freezers across america?
Or say that Black Friday is racial.
What about us white people? I'm greatly offended by saltine crackers, and white chocolate...my ice cream is interracial now?- woohhaa, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1I was one of the first to speak our against "Black Friday".
- WoollyMittens, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4As far as I know, the novel doesn't mention wether the 10 figures resemble Indians (cowboys and) or Indians (india).
The pussyfication continues, as politicians excert more and more control over what used to be a free society.- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2I certainly agree that politicians are stealing our freedoms-- the Bush administration in particular has been particularly egregious in this regard. But I don't understand why you'd want to refer to this as "pussyfication", unless you happen to find vaginas unpleasant for some reason.
- robberry, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2I certainly agree that politicians are stealing our freedoms-- the Bush administration in particular has been particularly egregious in this regard. But I don't understand why you'd want to refer to this as "pussyfication", unless you happen to find vaginas unpleasant for some reason.
- SavageBlackCat, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3The NAACP complaining isn't new.
- saturnx8, on 11/28/2007, -2/+7OH MY GOD ITS NOT PC!!!!!! censor everything! People need to stop being such overprotective passive sensitive fools. Yeah i want to live in a world where no one can stand up for them selves, and there are no derogatory words, and people can't have weapons to defend themselves and we live in bubbles fed through tubes and are told what to think.
- razorsharpwit, on 11/28/2007, -4/+19*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****,*****! the more you say it- the less it means! ask Dave Chappelle! *****,*****,*****,*****,*****!
- nanboya, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1You sound like Ballmer... "developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers...."
- graemee, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Throws chair.
- wsuBobby, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3Honestly though... does ANYONE here expect anything else from the NAACP? I would expect nothing less from this group of whiny baby ass bastards.
- BECoole, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3Slavery was more of a tragedy for this country than it was for the slaves.
- anachronaut, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Barbara, is that you?
"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005 - Humptydank, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Yes, and as Ronald Reagan said in his defense of his visit to the Bitberg Cemetery, where Waffen-SS soldiers were buried: "...they were victims [of Nazism], just as surely as the victims of the concentration camps."
Perhaps the slaves should have spent a bit more time consoling their masters, and the inmates of the concentration camps should have spent a bit more time consoling their guards. They clearly didn't show any appreciation for how hard it must have been to spend all day in a concentration camp watching people starve and be gassed, only to go home to your family like nothing happened, or have to whip someone to death or sell their children.
That kind of thing takes its toll on *everyone.*- ChuyMatt, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1While I understand what your sarcasm is going at, it is true in the manner that Reagen was talking. He _should_ have made it more general, as in Nazi Germany as a society was a victim, creating inhuman SS troops. anyway, just a nit-pick there.
- Humptydank, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2I appreciate your moderate response, but I can't really agree. I think that there are lots of complex interpretations of the general German population's role during WWII,. and I'm not in the "Hitler's Willing Executioners" camp, but I don't think that we can find any fair categorization method that lets the German people share in any definition of victim by comparison.
They may have been a victim of something, we all are to a certain extent, but the Jews' experience in WWII redefined the boundaries of the word "victim" itself, and the people who, to varying extents, made it happen should not be allowed to stand under that umbrella.
- anachronaut, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Barbara, is that you?
- ereg, on 11/28/2007, -3/+1The only reason "Indian" is a racial slur is because 'Native Americans' are racist agents India Indians.
The Europeans first discovered NA, they thought they had landed in the Indies so the named the denizens Indians. Now this would later prove a simple error in geography, but hay, if you spoke the Kings English that was the translated word for these people, and relay isn't Indian A LOT less racist than red-man- snullbug, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Could you BE anymore unaware of the issue?
- kylere, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4Well, if this is the kind of thing the NAACP is doing now, we can be glad that any IMPORTANT issues of race in our country must have already been resolved. Great Job NACCP, and it is clear you no longer need any donations.
- blackmage439, on 11/28/2007, -1/+11White Chicks was one of the most racist movies of all time. Yet, if I were to go out and make a movie called Black Chicks, where two white guys dress up and act like black women and exploit every notion of what it means to be "black", Al Sharpton would have my head on a pike. People like him, and this asshat from the NAACP, are the reason we have politically incorrect, and quite frankly, insulting pedestals for "colored people." Get a clue: there is no such thing as an African "American," and so long as these racial dividers are in place, we (descendants of the original founders of this country) will continue to have to suffer through this hypocritical *****.
- woohhaa, on 11/28/2007, -1/+4I wonder if he would care if it were titled "10 Little Honkies"?
/Are we talking feather Indians or dot Indians?- bonds, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4Nah, no one would say a thing in that case. Funny how that works.
- ChuyMatt, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1they would be confused as the rhyme WAS NEVER CALLED THAT.
get it. it was a cultural reference!
NAACP did not get it, obviously.
- ftx437, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7HURRAY NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ANGRY COLORED PEOPLE!!!!! way to screw things up like always
- modex, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2Maybe they prefer Big Endian over Little Endian memory addressing.
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