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- ichbinladen, on 10/16/2008, -43/+360Who gives a ***** about this guy? I hate him already and I don't even know him.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -31/+296FTA: "Wurzelbacher said he is of modest means, but worried Obama's tax plans would eventually hurt him. "You see my house. I don't have a lot of bells and whistles in here, really. My truck's a couple of years old and I'm going to have it for the next 10 years probably. So I don't see [Obama] helping me out,'' he told reporters this morning.
He also sounded concerned about the attention he is receiving. "I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing and just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself and hope I can get my message out there," he said."----
If Joe The Plumber thinks Obama's tax plan will hurt him, he's either just another dishonest Republican or he's ingested too much lead dust from them old pipes. What "message" would that be, Joe? That you can't do the math? Or is it just good old-fashioned disinformation and scare tactics? - inactive, on 10/16/2008, -12/+237This one slipped through the plumber's crack.
- kooredaan, on 10/16/2008, -4/+126Well he is not licensed according to what he told the AP and he claims he doesn't need to be to work on residential homes. Okay....
But on "Good Morning America" when asked what jobs he had planned, he said yesterday he worked on a broken water main at a gas station (unless it is some weird family don't think that is residential) and than listed one or 2 jobs that sounded like work for other companies (again not residential).
I'm confused and I think Joe might be a bit confused as well. - Insightful, on 10/16/2008, -9/+122Actually, we now know that Samuel Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican. He is not licensed as a plumber. Court record from a divorced showed that he made $40K annually. So Joe would qualify for a bigger tax cut under Obama.
Court records also show he owes taxes.
He also is very unlikely to purchase a business that makes $250K profit (conveniently at Obama's threshold for higher taxes) since he would need $1 million using the common 4:1 rule + money to purchase the assets. Joe clearly does not have that much money and banks is in no condition to lend right now (nor will they after finding out about his tax liens).
Oh, he also hates Social Security and loves the war in Iraq.
Joe is starting to sound like Karl Rove to me. - DreKor, on 10/16/2008, -6/+111@dmadip
I think most people agree with you. Osama bin Ladin is an asshat.
However, you're being dugg down because everyone assumes, and understandably so, that you are attempting to link Senator Obama with Osama bin Ladin because their name sound similar. And for that, you would also be an asshat. Also, following that logic, since you and Osama bin Ladin are both asshats, either he is a Digger, or you are a Terrorist. - SpectralSounds, on 10/16/2008, -8/+109Ha! I knew it. I saw him on the news this morning and I saw right through his *****. I know master and journeyman plumbers. They don't make the kind of cash it takes to buy a business that makes over $250k a year. That would cost him well over a million bucks. This guy is just full of *****.
- birdly, on 10/16/2008, -15/+109Joe the Plumber = Joe the Shill.
- jd33, on 10/16/2008, -21/+112What a tool.
- axpdocbrown, on 10/16/2008, -6/+65OH MY GOD!!!
This is the dumbest thing i've been seeing on the news all day. Well...whatever distracts people from ISSUES i guess. - Nietz1950, on 10/16/2008, -12/+70This is a common paradox - poor / middle class people opposed to any taxes on the wealthy, even when used to pay for programs that help them.
No matter what the odds or statistics, everyone believes they will one day become wealthy themselves. - Dumbledorito, on 10/16/2008, -10/+65Vetting people just seems to be a huge problem for McCain, doesn't it?
- homercles337, on 10/16/2008, -9/+60Another story about how he is not "undecided" afterall:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Joe_The_Plumber_ ... - THETEH, on 10/16/2008, -12/+61what's becoming of American heroes? First we find out that our politicians are all self-serving morons, and now THIS! I suppose next we'll learn that Joe Sixpack prefers to only drink chocolate milk!!!
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 10/16/2008, -12/+55Are you daft? It's been explained countless times this guy doesn't make anywhere near $250k (and thus WOULD NOT be taxed more under Obama's proposal). Not only that, he doesn't even have the means to buy a business that makes that much. Not only that, it's highly unlikely that the business he works for actually turns a $250,000 profit (I mean, it almost certainly doesn't). Not only that, he's got backed taxes so why would we make tax policy based on a guy who can't even be bother to pay his? Not only that, the guy is a registered republican so what are the odds do you think he actually examined both candidates plans objectively and made an educated descision.
If you ask me, this guy isn't even worth talking about. He was played out the first time McCain mentioned him.
I would be extremely surprised to learn Joe the Plumber even understands either candidates tax proposal and how it effects him. Sounds like Joe just watches too much Faux News, and the same goes for you. If by "many people" you mean "the top 5% of U.S. tax payers" then sure, "many people" will be taxes more under Obama's plan. However, I'll say this again since you keep missing it, Joe the Plumber is definitely NOT one of those "many people." - treehugger87, on 10/16/2008, -18/+55Mmmmm, I love the smell of *fail* in the morning.
- Nietz1950, on 10/16/2008, -7/+44...Which doesn't make any sense.
Why would anyone refuse to buy a company because it makes too much money? There's no such thing as a tax greater than 100% of your profit - any increase you get is going mostly to you.
Given Joe's unrealistic expectations and odd priorities (even if he could earn a profit of $300K, that might only increase his taxes by $2K), it might be better if he was stopped from running his own company for now.
$300K is profit... in your pocket at the end of the day, profit. You deduct expenses, so the more he invests, the less his taxable income will be. - stubear, on 10/16/2008, -5/+39@thcobbs,
Please explain how eliminating tax BREAKS for the rich (those making $250,000 or more per year) somehow makes Obama a socialist? - bigstinky, on 10/16/2008, -10/+42I for one believe he was a plant.
And no, (for you comedians out there) I'm not saying he was green and full of foliage.
I will bet there will be more on this "move" to follow. Such as his relationship to another better known Wurzelbacher in Ohio. - trer, on 10/16/2008, -12/+42If "Joe the Plumber" is supposed to be the face of America, we are in a ***** of trouble.
- treehugger87, on 10/16/2008, -20/+49Shouldn't that be "I hope I'm not making too much of a *tool* of myself?"
- charm803, on 10/16/2008, -16/+43@dmadip-
Osama does suck, but what does he have to do with this story? - inactive, on 10/16/2008, -5/+31Someone forgot to vet the stage prop.
- Jeffler, on 10/16/2008, -15/+40Except that he wouldn't be paying higher taxes, he'd be paying lower taxes.
- beasty_dave_Mk2, on 10/16/2008, -5/+29Plumbers live by only three rules;
"are the cheques ready yet?"
the ubiquitous "***** runs downhill"
and the newly implimented; "Don't lick yer fingers" - bicyclethief, on 10/16/2008, -8/+31There is much information on Barack Obama out there. He has been thoroughly vetted.
If there was something concrete against Obama, you can bet the McCain campaign would have pounced on it already.
If you don't know Obama by now, you obviously don't care to know That One. - swrostmore, on 10/16/2008, -3/+26oops, looks like he's registered to vote under a different name (Joe is his middle name). my bad. On the other hand he is related by marriage to the Keating family (yes, that Keating family)
- kismetropolis, on 10/16/2008, -10/+31The representation of him being a middle class American, and therefore potentially a bigger percentage of the population being taxed more is why it matters.
McCain wanted it to look like Joe The Plumber and everybody like him would be hurting under Obama. And that's just not the truth. - crackedlogic, on 10/16/2008, -11/+32you're not allowed to plum without a license.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -4/+24http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Joe_the_Plumber_ ...
Samual "Joe" ***** is related to Charles Keating. The GOP is dead. - DatVillain83, on 10/16/2008, -2/+21Apparently you haven't seen NBC Dateline's Report on Unscrupulous home contractors!
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -3/+21I don't give a ***** if it's McCain or Obama talking about their tax plans, tax cuts are nothing more than a carrot on a stick to get you to vote. The chances that either will actually cut taxes are about the same of you penning the next Hollywood blockbuster over the weekend.
In case you haven't noticed, the government has just spent the last few months spending a ridiculous amount of money that was unforeseeable when both candidates trotted out their tax proposals earlier this year. The wars aren't ending any time soon, and it looks like they're moving to sink even more money into the economy in the near future.
So how exactly is it economically sound policy to further reduce your available pool of revenue? Also, if you haven't noticed, corporate profits are falling through the floor and expected to continue that way. So all of a sudden those corporate tax increases Obama is promising, are only going to bring in a fraction of what he had estimated originally.
The subject of tax cuts is nothing more than an election platform fairytale. - citizenrobot, on 10/16/2008, -10/+27The pointedly anti-intellectual vibes of McCain's campaign freak me out, big time. The fact that this regular bald man has been held up as a paragon of American values makes me vomit in terror.
Hey Joe. THE IRS KNOWS WHAT YOU BE LOOKIN' LIKE NOWADAYS - JoeVet, on 10/16/2008, -7/+24He's going to buy a million dollar company while only making 40K a year with a lien in his house? Yup this guy is just like his GOP hero, Palin. Both are idiots who can't think for themselves.
- bigstinky, on 10/16/2008, -5/+22How can you not see what Obama says he is trying to do? HE WANTS TO LOWER TAXES FOR 95% OF AMERICA. If you don't make $200,000 a year, YOU WILL PAY LESS TAXES. Between 200 and 250 there will be no rise in taxes.
I will bet my arse you don't make 250k. You only stand to gain.
Your socialism argument is weak. But not as weak as the fascism buschco has been working on. Vote McCain to continue the conversion.
You like to call Dems "sheep," but it is you on the right who are truly the sheep. Buying into the talking points but not FACT. I don't feel sorry for you fools. - koreaski, on 10/16/2008, -10/+27jesus CHRIST. does everything have to be ***** all the time?
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -5/+21Also, he only makes $40k
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/
"Court records from his divorce show that Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006."
lol, he'd actually get a bigger tax cut with obama... - ScienceDoc, on 10/16/2008, -20/+36Whoopsie!
- HybridVigor, on 10/16/2008, -3/+18"Obama still wants to 'spread the wealth around.'"
As opposed to concentrating it in the hands of the wealthy elite, widening the class gap to historic levels like the Republicans have been doing. - dreicher, on 10/16/2008, -11/+26Believe it or not, some of us at the bottom of the food chain think it's not right to take from those who have more and "spread it around". It's called having a sense of honor and being self-sufficient. It has nothing to do with believing someday I will be wealthy and everything to do with wanting to incrementally improve my station in life through my own hard work.
- VicHislop, on 10/16/2008, -3/+18Actually, according to the Toledo Building Inspection Division, if he's working under someone else's license then he still needs to have a license as a journeyman or apprentice. He doesn't have either. (Also, it appears that the business may be fined for that lapse too; sorry, Joe!)
- kahoona1, on 10/16/2008, -3/+17That's just what we need Nairebis...another loan to an untrustworthy person...
- winstonc, on 10/16/2008, -3/+17Well, one thing's for sure. Joe has talked to the press more than Sarah Palin.
- madrid, on 10/16/2008, -1/+15@thcobbs
You said: "This phrase is what depicts Obama as a socialist: 'spread the wealth around'."
Interestingly enough, this idea of spreading the wealth around isn't too distant from the old republican talking-point about tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, also known as "trickle-down economics"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economic ...
It's just posed in a way that sounds less "socialist," otherwise it's the same "idea."
In principle, the trickle-down economic theory is much worse because it makes the assumption that the wealthy are somehow more responsible with the money, and will pass it on as they see fit, while hiding the fact that in most cases, they simply keep it for themselves, or cycle it between other wealthy individuals. In my estimation, that's simply greed.
Obama's proposed tax structure basically enforces the sense of responsibility that high-income makers should bear in our society: pay your part. As it stands, the corporations and the wealthy enjoy all kinds of tax cuts, loopholes and other methods for avoiding taxes, which if you ask anyone who knows a thing or two about the principles of taxation, is about as anti-American as it gets. If you don't believe me, try refusing to pay your income tax for a year, and see what the feds have to say about it. - treehugger87, on 10/16/2008, -5/+19Except that Obama's tax plan would not increase his taxes in any way, and would most certainly help him by giving him tax relief and by giving him help in providing his employees health insurance. This helps the economy.
Honestly I feel bad for the guy. He's listened to too many right-wing talking points. No amount of convincing is going to get him to believe anything less than "Obama is going to raise my taxes." He asked a fair question, and was pretty ballsy in pushing his point. I respect that. There is a real "gotcha" media (not the one Palin & McCain complain about) and this guy is about to get hit hard with it. Watch the covers of the National Enquirer and People magazine this week and you'll see. - SpinningHead, on 10/16/2008, -2/+15This is classic thinking by middle class conservatives. "I will vote for the rich guys because one day I will be one of them". So, they elect guys who make it harder and harder to get ahead in the middle class. Brilliant.
- BK15, on 10/16/2008, -17/+30I hate Joe the Plumber. What a tool, I don't understand why his opinion matters.
- roxgod666, on 10/16/2008, -5/+18Great now people will say "Joe the Plumber" as a new meme
- bjs3171, on 10/16/2008, -4/+17uh...what in god's name are you talking about?
- dn11, on 10/16/2008, -3/+15"Joe Six Pack" doesn't make $250,000 a year - as the actual facts behind this story reveal.
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