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- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -31/+163Agreed, but tone it down a bit.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -56/+173This is what happens when a government justifies lashing on its own - it means more and more things become lash-able offences and when you add new offenses to the mix you get ***** up ***** like this. The Saudi Arabian government are not our allies, they are dirty pig terrorists and we are supplying dirty pig terrorists with money every time we buy their dirty ***** oil.
***** the Saudi King pig *****. - szelij, on 10/12/2007, -30/+138The only reason that this could happen and still does is because the Al-Saud family is propped up by the Americans. Before you criticize the Saudi government, criticize yours first, for refusing to withdraw support from an obviously dictatorial and inhumane regime.
- floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+61This part baffles me though:
"Her husband and family said that they would appeal to the court Saturday for HARSHER (my caps) penalties for a crime which has shocked public opinion in Saudi Arabia and been the subject of months of debate."
Harsher?
Hello?
Yes, Sanity here, you seem to have left me in the desert. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65The Saudi government and royals are all savage pigs, they even let a dozen school girls burn to death in their school because they weren't dressed appropriately.
- Katana, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46What do you expect from a country that still does public be-headings with a machete.
- eatbeefjerky, on 10/12/2007, -14/+47This is what happens when you allow religion to become law. This is what the US is headed for.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40People sometimes call cops pigs, bacon etc however in Saudi Arabia the police should be referred to as "the dirtiest pig ***** this side of the Nazi SS". The Taliban are practically the only thing worse than the Saudis and they both hate each others guts!
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -16/+44Before anyone gets all "***** muslims, religion of peace...lol", rape is forbidden in Islam and punishment is not prescribed for the victim:
Sûrah an Nâs 4.119
'O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will...'
"During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)".
Source: http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp
As for the woman receiving lashes just because she was with another guy, the Saudia government is just crazy. It's not mentioned in the Quran that a woman should be punished just because she talked to a guy who is not a relative. - CaffeineAddict, on 10/12/2007, -14/+41Ok, having the ***** beaten out of you with a wooden stick (or leather wip) to the point where you are bleeding and half dead is such a light punishment compared to what the US does with our "hellish" prisons with couches, cable tv, and flushing toilets.
Yes, this punishment may not seem like all that much ... but this isn't daddy giving a spanking to a 5 year old. This is some huge ***** taking a bludgeon of some type and beating someone with it to the extent that there back will not only be bruised but actually bleeding and scarred for the rest of there life ... this isn't exactly a bee sting. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28So the title basically says it all? That's messed up of them to do that.
- kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25NOTE TO SELF: When in Saudi Arabia do not pickup on local girls.
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -11/+33He has a point. Take the stem cell research issue for example. The one and only veto bush has ever done, all based on "religious" beliefs. Take the abortion issue. I'm not going to say here if it's right or wrong, only pointing out the religious connotation conservative views SOMETIMES carry.
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24He should be sentenced to 90 lashes and see if he can say that again.
- DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm
- enderu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21@floejoe
Harsher punishments for the assailants. The paragraph right above the one you quoted said "The victim was quoted by Okaz newspaper as saying she had expected harsher penalties for the assailants, especially as they had pleaded not guilty." - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Whales are intolerant bigots.
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Source? Link? (just no pics please.)
- shm1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21This isn't unique to the Saudis. In Pakistan, honor killings of rape victims are common. In Iran, a rape *victim* was hung by the neck from a crane for 45 minutes before she died.
- Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Who honestly says a comment like this? Digg needs create a way to stop 13 year olds from registering to the site.
- fungible, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20She was in a car! With a man! Who wasn't her husband! Come on, that's like three crimes right there! Triple lashes!
I mean, if you're going to be a barbaric culture, you might as well go all the way. - Ganthiel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"No, you didn't misread the story title."
Knowing what I do about Saudi Arabia, I never for a moment thought that I did. - barakatx2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married."
Not saying that makes it any better, but the title of this digg is misleading. They gave the lashes because she was in a car with a man who is not her husband/relative, not because she was raped. That's still a completely insane reason to lash someone any times. - Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26Why? Because he's telling the truth? Look at Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc...
- dmorel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17HEY! 71% of the world is ocean.
- Cordial, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18If the sentence against this woman is carried out, it will a disgrace to humanity. I feel sick just reading it. That poor woman and her friend...
Somebitches, you are really an ignorant fool. The police are not the legislative arm of the Saudi government, nor are they the ones that hand down sentencing decisions. Your anger is so completely misdirected, it would be laughable, if not for the gravity of the situation. - ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16There's sarcasm and there's sounding like a callous little ***** who twists legs off spiders. even a j/k wouldn't have helped your comment dimitroff.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15More proof (as if you needed it) that Saudi Arabia specifically, and countries under Sharia law generally, are FUBAR.
One of the reasons that some social historians give for the lack of development in these countries is the fact that they continue to repress and demean half of their population.
Either they are going to have to change, or something really bad is going to happen. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18It is not a disgrace to humanity. I accept no responsibility for the actions of another government that I cannot control. My country lacks the effective military might capable of causing a change in government, but furthermore we would not change the government even if we could unfortunately, as we lack the will.
If I could do something about this I would, but it is evident that nearly every country in the Middle east is stuck in the 15th century, a byproduct of being able to subsist on external funds from oil. Since WWII, western nations have done much to create democracy in the world, but until our dependence on oil is removed, we will not be capable of making any other country act civilized except by means or threat of force.
I am afraig though, that these countries seem to be learning that the west can't influence them as much as previously thought. (For example, their nuclear ambitions). - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -17/+29@Johnnycashak
Actually we are allies with the Saudi Government, which we support, and they do supply our oil, and IIRC, some of their members do help fund terrorists. And szelij has every right in the world to criticize the American government, for the fact that they support the Saudi government. The American government is not directly responsible for this atrocity, but they DO support the Saudi government. Do your research before you call somebody an anti-American pig because they don't agree with your views. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I hope you are jokeing, and even if you are you're an ass.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -37/+491. Jerusalem Post probably isn't exactly the best source for news on the Muslim world. Can anyone guess why?
2. Sentence one. "A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip *because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.*" Something no-one has read yet. The reason she's being sentenced is because she was in away from her husband. It still sucks, but it sucks far less than being convicted for rape. Actually, justice was served, there were lashes in the thousands served out to those who actually performed the rape, which occurred while she was not with her husband.
I am not implying that rape is this womans fault, I am simply pointing out the actual situation as compared to the hyped up ***** in the title that you guys are reacting to.
3. For the last 1400 years, the Koran gave women in the Middle East more power than they've ever had in the west. It's only recently that the trend has been inverted. - VorpalK, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Certainly deters the beheaded, though.
And if publically done, it would do quit a bit to make people think twice before doing something for which they would be sentenced to death.
If you're going to HAVE a death penalty... make it work. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -38/+47Szelij what the hell are you talking about? The only reason something like this could happen is because it is a government run by Extreme Muslim fundamentalists, and this is how the Koran treats women. What kind of an everything American hating piece of waste are you, and who in their right minds would give your ignorant comment ten thumbs up? I wholehearted agree that the US probably picked the wrong pony a couple decades ago, but that doesn't have a damn thing to do with how these backwater freaks treat human beings in general, let alone their women.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I know a person who saw one of those beheadings once...it definitely has an effect on you. Plus the murder rate there is like half the murder rate of the US (what I've heard).
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Ah, we stand corrected.
Obviously, it's quite okay to be flogged for riding in a car with a man she wasn't married to.
Well, I for one thank my lucky stars I wasn't born to live in a country ruled by such brutal, theocratic, backward thinking, 15th century-a-like *****. And I mean Saudi not USA. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You might not have misread it but the title is misleading.
She wasn't sentenced to be lashed for being raped. She was sentenced to be lashed for being in a car alone with a man who wasn't her husband. Which is an equally ***** law but it does change the interpretation of the story a bit to know that.
The rapist got 1-5 years in prison btw. It should've been death. - VelocitySnyper, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14now now mate, its not all muslims, just a select few. i know some very nice muslim people, you shouldnt generalise like that, it could get you in a lot of trouble
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Oh so it's OK then?
It's still contrary to the common notion of justice. For the rapist no mercy, for the victim no sympathy or mercy. That whole part of the world is headed for a crash and they may take the rest of us with them. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Some things go beyond cultural differences. I am sure a lot of Saudis would agree with me were it not for the penaltys for questioning with their laws.
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Wait...am I getting the faint vibes here that you don't like the Saudi's?
- fiver22, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13This is not about Islam -it's about religion as a whole. Religion and politics should *never* be combined. Take that to the polls.
- 4Prophecy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11It's better than the girl who was sentenced to death for the same "crime." Still a shame, though. :/
- DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think that it is a little ridiculous that unmarried people in Saudi Arabia can't be in the same car together, don't you? The fact is that Islam treats women like second class citizens and that is wrong.
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm sorry but that's just moderate PC ***** at it's worst. You trying to side-step that this is a terrible, terrible thing.
Are you saying that the women deserves to be lashed in *addition* to suffering rape? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Or...maybe you should ask her how she feels about her human rights in relation to her culture after the severe lashing and further humiliation she's going to suffer. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hell, she's lucky she's not in Iran where rape victims get stoned to death.
- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Thanks, DrSteve and Somebitches.
For *****'s sake! Talk about evil! - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7it is intended, but its not there
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i guess this get worse as you dig down!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Political-Islam and Islam are two completely separate things. Political Islam is a fascist Nazi-style cult of ***** eating ***** who flog and stone and amputate people in a disgusting ooze of medieval savagery.
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