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Saudi court sentences rape VICTIM to 90 lashes

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  • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -57/+173This is what happens when a government justifies lashing on its own - it means more and more things become lash-able offences and when you add new offenses to the mix you get ***** up ***** like this. The Saudi Arabian government are not our allies, they are dirty pig terrorists and we are supplying dirty pig terrorists with money every time we buy their dirty ***** oil.

    ***** the Saudi King pig *****.
    • BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -31/+163Agreed, but tone it down a bit.
    • szelij, on 10/12/2007, -30/+138The only reason that this could happen and still does is because the Al-Saud family is propped up by the Americans. Before you criticize the Saudi government, criticize yours first, for refusing to withdraw support from an obviously dictatorial and inhumane regime.
    • CaffeineAddict, on 10/12/2007, -14/+41Ok, having the ***** beaten out of you with a wooden stick (or leather wip) to the point where you are bleeding and half dead is such a light punishment compared to what the US does with our "hellish" prisons with couches, cable tv, and flushing toilets.

      Yes, this punishment may not seem like all that much ... but this isn't daddy giving a spanking to a 5 year old. This is some huge ***** taking a bludgeon of some type and beating someone with it to the extent that there back will not only be bruised but actually bleeding and scarred for the rest of there life ... this isn't exactly a bee sting.
    • titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29So the title basically says it all? That's messed up of them to do that.
    • bitt3n, on 10/12/2007, -41/+18yes clearly it is america's fault and if america didn't buy saudi oil, no one else would buy it and the regime would collapse.
    • Johnnycashak, on 10/12/2007, -38/+47Szelij what the hell are you talking about? The only reason something like this could happen is because it is a government run by Extreme Muslim fundamentalists, and this is how the Koran treats women. What kind of an everything American hating piece of waste are you, and who in their right minds would give your ignorant comment ten thumbs up? I wholehearted agree that the US probably picked the wrong pony a couple decades ago, but that doesn't have a damn thing to do with how these backwater freaks treat human beings in general, let alone their women.
    • floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+61This part baffles me though:

      "Her husband and family said that they would appeal to the court Saturday for HARSHER (my caps) penalties for a crime which has shocked public opinion in Saudi Arabia and been the subject of months of debate."

      Harsher?

      Hello?

      Yes, Sanity here, you seem to have left me in the desert.
    • erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -17/+30@Johnnycashak
      Actually we are allies with the Saudi Government, which we support, and they do supply our oil, and IIRC, some of their members do help fund terrorists. And szelij has every right in the world to criticize the American government, for the fact that they support the Saudi government. The American government is not directly responsible for this atrocity, but they DO support the Saudi government. Do your research before you call somebody an anti-American pig because they don't agree with your views.
    • p0s3r, on 10/12/2007, -35/+13You just can't help yourselves can you? You have to hate America no matter what. You are an anti-American pig. Both of you.
    • eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -36/+25I am in no way justifying what was done to this girl; it's ridiculous and evil. However: hypothetical. You're a woman, you live in a country where it's against the law to be alone in a car with a man who isn't family. You do it anyways, and while there, someone commits a far worse crime against you. You knew what you were doing was against the law where you live, never mind whether it should be against the law or the reasoning behind it; it is. (see: use of marijuana in the us). You're raped by four men, and your male friend is beaten. All of you (save the two rapists still at large) are arrested; your attackers face a collective 2,230 lashes and 14 years in prison, while you and the man you were with face 180 lashes. You knew about this punishment before choosing to do what you did, but you did it anyways. Yes, it's unjust, yes, Saudi Arabia is a horribly backward nation, but don't be so surprised when it happens. If you're carrying a bag of pot and someone beats the hell out of you and the police pick you both up, you'll face jailtime for possession of narcotics. I am certainly glad attention is being brought to it, however this shouldn't be news.
    • TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -31/+23@ Johnnycashak - Shut your mouth you ignorant, Conservative son of a bitch. The Qur'an mentions nothing of the sort. Women have financial and honorable rights and violence toward them is dependent on which version of the Qur'an you choose to read (it's a mistranslation of a word or two). The Bible is just as bad, but Christians pick and choose the parts of their holy text they wish to follow, so the prejudice isn't as prevalent.
    • theone3, on 10/12/2007, -37/+501. Jerusalem Post probably isn't exactly the best source for news on the Muslim world. Can anyone guess why?

      2. Sentence one. "A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip *because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.*" Something no-one has read yet. The reason she's being sentenced is because she was in away from her husband. It still sucks, but it sucks far less than being convicted for rape. Actually, justice was served, there were lashes in the thousands served out to those who actually performed the rape, which occurred while she was not with her husband.

      I am not implying that rape is this womans fault, I am simply pointing out the actual situation as compared to the hyped up ***** in the title that you guys are reacting to.

      3. For the last 1400 years, the Koran gave women in the Middle East more power than they've ever had in the west. It's only recently that the trend has been inverted.
    • enderu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21@floejoe

      Harsher punishments for the assailants. The paragraph right above the one you quoted said "The victim was quoted by Okaz newspaper as saying she had expected harsher penalties for the assailants, especially as they had pleaded not guilty."
    • Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -27/+12I love how you digg up the USA haters. Like its our fault Saudi's dont respect women. Man digg is full of MTV mindless 12yr olds.
    • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -16/+45Before anyone gets all "***** muslims, religion of peace...lol", rape is forbidden in Islam and punishment is not prescribed for the victim:

      Sûrah an Nâs 4.119
      'O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will...'

      "During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)".

      Source: http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp

      As for the woman receiving lashes just because she was with another guy, the Saudia government is just crazy. It's not mentioned in the Quran that a woman should be punished just because she talked to a guy who is not a relative.
    • eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8@mekun: Yes, that's right. Insult their intelligence and their age. That will surely change their minds!
    • Johnnycashak, on 10/12/2007, -13/+9@erkokite
      I eat at McDonalds ocassionaly too, doesn't mean I had anything to do with that old lady getting burned with scalding hot coffee a few years back now does it? Guilt by association doesn't apply in this case as the societal values that allow and encourage this kind of 'justice' would still be in place weather or not Saudi Arabia was an oil rich country. Only someone with an obvious adgenda would see the guilt spread to American hands for how women in that country are treated, which I pointed out. I am aware of the facts, certainly well enough to spot ignorance of said facts when I see it.

      Btw... I didn't call anyone an Anti-American pig. Reread my comment, and if you're going to paraphase it, do it accurately. Thanks.

      @TheNik
      Actually I am registered Independent and I tend to vote democrat, but we can talk about your mother some other time.
    • tmThEMaN, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4would you read it again and understand what the heck they said:

      "A male friend of the rape victim was also sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with her in the car."

      They sentenced the 90 lashes to a MALE friend of the victim, NOT the victim, who probably set the scene for the rappers himself.

      I'm not defending the government, but you arab-hating assholes leave us alone ... we've seen enough hate from you and it's not helping us defend the tolerant ones. You keep using every stupid one of us to attack us all ... the arab world is hating you more because of you, and what you've done/doing/will do .... and dont tell me we're helping you .. gimme a break .... you wouldn't help your mother if it's not in your advantage.


    • erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@johnnycashak
      Sorry, I misread your post. I stopped reading after you called szelij "American hating." Granted apart from that part, you did bring up some valid points. It is certainly and obviously not the fault of the US for this atrocity, but the US does support the oppressive Saudi regime, and IMHO to call szelij "American hating" when he calls the US out for this seems a little extreme. I am not redirecting the fault to the US from Saudi Arabia. I do not think all the problems in the world are the fault of the US. I am disagreeing with your assertion that szelij hates Americans.
    • lunasunshine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6i find it interesting that one of the rapists only got 80 lashes and one year in jail.
      the victim got 90 lashes (for being in a car with a man who was not her husband)

      how does stuff like this happen now (ie. in the 21st century)? haven't we learned yet that violence is not an effective means of punishment?

      @tmtheman
      go reread the first paragraph. i also thought this before i double checked. they were BOTH sentenced to 90 lashes.
    • barakatx2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married."

      Not saying that makes it any better, but the title of this digg is misleading. They gave the lashes because she was in a car with a man who is not her husband/relative, not because she was raped. That's still a completely insane reason to lash someone any times.
    • jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8>Before anyone gets all "***** muslims, religion of peace...lol", rape is forbidden in Islam...

      Since when have Muslims actually given a crap what is in their book?

      The bodies in Baghdad? Sunni vs Shia: they kill each other like its free.

      Sky-god cults like Islam and Christianity have two sets of rules: for their own and for everybody else. They are all irrational and should be avoided is at all possible. If not then watch your back.



    • kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25NOTE TO SELF: When in Saudi Arabia do not pickup on local girls.
    • TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Independent? Democrat? I'm talkin' political _spectrum_, baby, not party.
    • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8The Christian right hates abortion even though it's not mentioned in the Bible. The Saudi Muslim Right beats a woman for being alone in a car with a man even though it is not mentioned in the Koran.

      I am sick and tired of these damn hegemonies hijacking religion to impose their imperialist, oppressive wills on the world. And it's about damn time we get a clue and get the Hell out of Saudi Arabia. (Irony of ironies, this is in fact the reason why we were attacked by Al-Qaeda. How weird is it that Osama Bin Laden and half of the people in this thread are on the same page? Makes your skin crawl....)

      Are we Americans stupid endemically or is it simply a lack of information on our part that drags us deeper into other peoples' *****? We need to stop taking sides with the bad guys. Just a thought.
    • fungible, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20She was in a car! With a man! Who wasn't her husband! Come on, that's like three crimes right there! Triple lashes!

      I mean, if you're going to be a barbaric culture, you might as well go all the way.
    • acff, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6serves her right for tempting him

      i hate it when the ladies do that
    • TheLlamaIs, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3"A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married."

      The reason she got 80 lashes is in the very first paragraph. Selective reading much? You're all basing your opinion on a bias article. The woman, who was married, was with a married man, alone, in a car, which, in Eastern culture, unlike our shameless Western culture, is VERY unacceptable behavior.
      Ya know, just because we live in a different society and ***** they do there doesn't make sense to us, doesn't make what they do wrong. I'm not saying it's right, but it's how they do things there. Our society and criminal justice system isn't perfect either, hell, we let murderers walk away after 15 years and a couple grand.

      I'm not supporting the decision, but I'm not hating on it either, I'm just trying to tell people to not be ignorant and to actually think about what they're reading, interpreting, and saying.

      @somebitches:
      Your comment was very ignorant, and very inapropriate. You could have made the same point and still managed to sound like a decent, educated person.
    • TOTALineptitude, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2derka derka jihad.
    • szelij, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Honestly though...i just prefer to think of followers as cuckoo rather than the religion itself. But that's just me...and thats bound to raise the ire of certain...people/
    • Zique, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@szelij
      Tone down the anti-US sentimentality a bit, It's not like the EU selling fighter jets and China making energy deals with Saudi-Arabia are helping the situation either.
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hell, she's lucky she's not in Iran where rape victims get stoned to death.
    • icellist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Seriously,

      stop being ignorant Americans and understand that other cultures don't like what happened with that woman one bit. Including the fact that she made the choice to be in that situation. That's wrong to them and theres nothing your "omg thats unjust" opinion can do about it.
    • Tiger, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4yes.. she was a rape victim.
      the woman was sentenced because she was alone with a strange man, NOT because she was raped.
      and before you all go "what the hell is the big deal?", different cultures, different religions, different rules.
      the world doesn't have to run by your rules or anyone else's rules.
      In Islam a woman should not be with a strange man alone, there should be an adult male related to her present (husband, son, brother, father...etc).
      She wouldn't have been raped if she did what she was supposed to do. (not saying she deserves what happened to her.)

      anyway, people (who don't know what they're talking about) tend to interpret things the way they "want" to interpret.

      PS. after i wrote this reply i checked your nickname, and now i somewhat regret wasting the effort replying to you, but i'll submit the comment anyway hoping that other people may find it helpful/informative.
    • sardion2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Wow, this was a light sentence. Usually the penalty for a "crime" of this nature is Death by Stoning.
    • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@szelij

      Im not an American and I agree totally - Bush is kissing the Saudi King and holding his hand for ***** sake! Our lot arnt exactly saints either - the Prince of Wales seems to enjoy a trip to Saudi I guess thats only because they let his wife show her face which is Ironic because she is just the sort of woman who _should_ be wearing the veil if you know what I mean.
    • shayateen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bitten,,

      So how come Canadians from Alberta aren't chopping heads off whipping their women? They sell more barrels of oil than Iraq does per year?

    • rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would have to agree. Not only that, but the Saudi government supplies many terrorists and training to the world. It was Saudi, the Emirates, and Pakistan that should have been hit. Not Afghanistan and Iraq. We could have scared Saddam a little which would have been sufficient.
    • TheLlamaIs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm just wondering why Tiger and myself are being dugg down for saying the exact same thing. What we're saying is true and just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong. Their culture is different then ours, who are we to judge?

      Whatever, keep up the ignorance. I salute you, you uneducated pigs.
    • apeweek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Stop buying oil. Drive an electric car. A conversion is very inexpensive to buy and operate. Here's how to get one cheap:

      http://www.squidoo.com/cheap-electric-car/
    • kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dirty pigs, yes I'd classify the House of Saud in that manner. But the problem is, we still depend on lots of oil from Saudi Arabia.

      The only way to break that distasteful relationship and depose the House of Saud is to break our dependence on foreign oil. Again, that isn't the ultimate solution as the current rulers of Saudi Arabia allow the Wahhabi sect to run things. Actually it's oil revenue that helped propel Wahhabism into the remained of the kingdom and now into western Iraq. So now we have the Sunni, Shi'a, Kurd and Wahabbi in Iraq. Good luck with that mess.
    • Chief5232, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@thellamals
      "Their culture is different then ours, who are we to judge?
      Whatever, keep up the ignorance. I salute you, you uneducated pigs."

      A declaration of moral relativism followed immediately by scathing judgment and rejection of Western culture, values, equality, and progress.
  • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65The Saudi government and royals are all savage pigs, they even let a dozen school girls burn to death in their school because they weren't dressed appropriately.
  • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40People sometimes call cops pigs, bacon etc however in Saudi Arabia the police should be referred to as "the dirtiest pig ***** this side of the Nazi SS". The Taliban are practically the only thing worse than the Saudis and they both hate each others guts!
    • nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Wait...am I getting the faint vibes here that you don't like the Saudi's?
    • nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, it seems like a lot of people have been stockpiling the "c" word for an article like this to appear. Way to break out the big guns guys!
    • paulrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3If any of you have actually read the koran, and especially have read it the order it was written, not in the order it has been published, you'd see that this makes perfect sense in a muslim controlled government. According to the koran, women's testamony is worth much less (either 1/2 or 1/3rd) of a mans. There is a serious problem with rape in these countries and much if it goes unreported because all the man has to do is say "it was her fault, she seduced me" and his testamony is above hers. She then is sentenced to death by stoning - and the law states that the stones used for stoning must be small enough that they do not cause death at the first blow.

      Seriously people, learn a few things about this culture - especially you America haters. You need to get your heads out of your @sses for a second and learn what we are all up against.

  • Katana, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46What do you expect from a country that still does public be-headings with a machete.
    • eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13America likes to pretty up its executions, but they still kill people. I would think one machete as opposed to hundreds of thousands (millions?) in chemicals for an execution is a far better expenditure of taxpayers' money. It would certainly make people think twice before sentencing someone to death.
    • VorpalK, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Certainly deters the beheaded, though.

      And if publically done, it would do quit a bit to make people think twice before doing something for which they would be sentenced to death.

      If you're going to HAVE a death penalty... make it work.
    • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I know a person who saw one of those beheadings once...it definitely has an effect on you. Plus the murder rate there is like half the murder rate of the US (what I've heard).
    • aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Eff that. She was in a car with another man that she wasn't married to. She should have received at LEAST 100 lashes. They let her off easy.
  • Cordial, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18If the sentence against this woman is carried out, it will a disgrace to humanity. I feel sick just reading it. That poor woman and her friend...
    Somebitches, you are really an ignorant fool. The police are not the legislative arm of the Saudi government, nor are they the ones that hand down sentencing decisions. Your anger is so completely misdirected, it would be laughable, if not for the gravity of the situation.
    • melodramatic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18It is not a disgrace to humanity. I accept no responsibility for the actions of another government that I cannot control. My country lacks the effective military might capable of causing a change in government, but furthermore we would not change the government even if we could unfortunately, as we lack the will.

      If I could do something about this I would, but it is evident that nearly every country in the Middle east is stuck in the 15th century, a byproduct of being able to subsist on external funds from oil. Since WWII, western nations have done much to create democracy in the world, but until our dependence on oil is removed, we will not be capable of making any other country act civilized except by means or threat of force.

      I am afraig though, that these countries seem to be learning that the west can't influence them as much as previously thought. (For example, their nuclear ambitions).
    • nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I have a lot of sympathy for her, and I think the punishment is pretty harsh, but she DID break the law and she knew she was breaking the law when she did it. If you got attacked while driving down the street and the cops found a kilo of coke in your trunk, you would get punished too . . . granted the saudi law is rediculous, but they have every right to set the laws in their country. It also looks like this has caused quite a public outcry there (thankfully) so hopefully the punishment will never happen. Also, how in the hell do you give someone 1000 lashes . . . you might as well just graft ground beef on their backs. At least the rapists are going to get it "passion of the christ" style.
    • Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What are you guys talking about? The poster did not say you are responsible for this, where do you get that from? He said, this is a disgrace to humanity, and it is. Humanity is a concept. "But she broke the Saudi law" is no remedy. Humanity stands above the law, an act against humanity is just this, due to the act itself, no matter what laws there are in place.

    • melodramatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nogger: "What are you guys talking about? The poster did not say you are responsible for this, where do you get that from? He said, this is a disgrace to humanity, and it is. Humanity is a concept. "

      hu‧man‧i‧ty 
      –noun, plural -ties.
      1. all human beings collectively; the human race; humankind.
      2. the quality or condition of being human; human nature.
      3. the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence.

      He could either be referring to all of humankind according to definition #1, in which case what I said makes perfect sense, or one of the other definitions. My interpretation is that he meant definition one, mainly because it is clumsy to apply the concept of disgrace to a qualitative concept like that described in the other definitions. Either way, you could be correct, or I could, or both, but they are both simply opinions.
  • zweben, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10Yes, I get it already. 99% of the world is horrible.
    • Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -14/+13I'm still glad to be US citizen. no matter how bad bush has made/allowed things to get.
    • zweben, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4(This comment was pointless so I deleted it.)
    • dmorel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17HEY! 71% of the world is ocean.
    • eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Whales are intolerant bigots.
    • Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Johnnycashak people of faith are not the minority we are the majority get your facts straight.
      I'm sure you would like the minority to the laws but that's whats voting is for majority rules weather we like it or not.
  • Ganthiel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"No, you didn't misread the story title."

    Knowing what I do about Saudi Arabia, I never for a moment thought that I did.
    • SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You might not have misread it but the title is misleading.

      She wasn't sentenced to be lashed for being raped. She was sentenced to be lashed for being in a car alone with a man who wasn't her husband. Which is an equally ***** law but it does change the interpretation of the story a bit to know that.

      The rapist got 1-5 years in prison btw. It should've been death.
  • eatbeefjerky, on 10/12/2007, -14/+47This is what happens when you allow religion to become law. This is what the US is headed for.
    • GDunck, on 10/12/2007, -43/+6eatbeefjerky, you are a dumbass
    • Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26Why? Because he's telling the truth? Look at Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc...
    • Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -11/+33He has a point. Take the stem cell research issue for example. The one and only veto bush has ever done, all based on "religious" beliefs. Take the abortion issue. I'm not going to say here if it's right or wrong, only pointing out the religious connotation conservative views SOMETIMES carry.
    • Johnnycashak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Um... Gay marriage and abortion were both pushed on the populace by the courts, whereas both tend to be fought by the community. Keep in mind I am for both, but it bothers me when a select group of people can decide what is or isn't moral for the society en mass, as some judges try to do. Be it religious, political, or personal, anyone with that kind of power pushing an adgenda is a dangerous person in my book.

      Presidents are elected and have term limits, but some judges can stay in power until they retire or die in office.
    • melodramatic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Terrible logic. You are forgetting a few intermediate steps, and you seem to be saying that:

      Religious belief become law

      As opposed to reality:

      Religious belief influences some people which causes them to vote for people that share some of their beliefs which causes that person to be elected is most people voted for them which causes them to try to pass laws to govern the country of which the legality is determined (including, among other restrictions, the separation of church and state).

      Assuming all of the above steps are followed numerous times, it will still be a far cry from Saudi Arabia, and considering that this election is likely going to go in favor of the democrats, I don't any supporting reasoning behind your belief that the US is heading in the direction of a religious theocracy.
    • p0s3r, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Please point to the last time someone in America got imprisoned or even publically shunned for refusing Jesus? I can point to plenty of cases where people have been attacked, threatened, even jailed for not espousing the liberal belief system.

      I challenge you to dispute one fact in the following article:
      http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/the-fascists-among-us/
    • Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Yo mean what the US was based on. Its called freedom of religon. People have the right to vote the way they see fit isnt it great.
    • eatbeefjerky, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1pos3r:

      I refute nothing in that article. Now would you refute the fact that religious zealots will do EXACTLY the same thing? I've admitted my side's flaws, now will you concede yours? I won't say I've ever heard of anyone being beaten for not believing in Jesus, but it would take many hands for me to count the number of times I've heard about homosexuals being beaten or harassed by religious zealots because "God hates fags". It would take many hands for me to count the number of times I get called a sheeny or a kike, merely because I was raised (but no longer practice) Jewish. How many Christian slurs do you know? I can't think of any other than "Jesus freak", which when compared to "sheeny" is like calling someone a poophead. You hear about abortion clinics getting bombed (doesn't this defeat the purpose of being "pro life"?), not as often as it used to be, but you do hear of it. All of these things are directly related to religion and its influence over our daily lives... even those of us who choose not to practice it.

      melodramatic:

      They are essentially the same thing. Many laws ARE based off of, for example, the Ten Commandments. This I have no problem with, because I believe that you SHOULDN'T kill, or steal. Those actions are wrong. I'm sure that just about everyone here can agree on that. However, when your religious beliefs infringe on the rights of others (gay marriage, or what happened to the woman in this article), that's when it becomes wrong. It does not affect you in any way if, for example, a woman is alone with a man she is not married to. Hell, teenagers do it all the time in the US, it's called DATING. If you do not like a certain practice... then don't take part in it. Unless that practice is or has the ability to directly affect YOUR life, you really don't have the right to complain about it, and it shouldn't be necessary to make laws against it.
    • melodramatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The examples given do nothing to support your arguments about the US turning into a religious theocracy.

      Abortion: Some people oppose abortions. In fact, quite a few Americans, including many that aren't religious. It takes just one viewing of a video of an abortion to potentially change someone's mind. Also, you are forgetting that abortion is LEGAL. People participating in government and trying to get their representatives to pass laws based on what they think is wrong is how democracy is supposed to work. Yes, initially the constitution and other laws were influenced by religious views, but I submit that it would be nearly impossible to get to the point where Saudi Arabia is from where the US currently is. To suggest otherwise is fear mongering against republicans, or ignorance.

      Gay Rights: Again, if enough people believe that it is wrong, then they can try to prevent gay people from marrying each other. It is impossible to draw parallels between gay rights and other rights, as they actually do have the exact same rights that every american has. They just can't marry each other. But, since they can all vote, then they can convince others that they should be allowed to marry, and maybe it will be passed into law. Again, that's the beauty of democracy.

      As long as everybody can vote, and speak freely, the US system of government is working just fine.
    • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wow. Separate but equal being applied to sexuality: "You can marry whoever you want in your own race, just don't marry outside of it" has now become "You can marry whoever you want of the opposite sex, just don't marry within it."

      Legislated morality isn't necessarily a bad thing. The question is, whose morality are you going to set as the basis for the legislation? At some point you have to figure out the greater good ... preserving the integrity of individual rights or imposing consistency through universal obligations and duties.

      Gay marriage hurts no one. It's a distraction. It's a way to keep one group of consenting adults lower than another group of consenting adults, and there's no argument against it on any other basis. We shouldn't be legislating a homogenous society, we should be legislating a better one, and GAY PEOPLE WHO MARRY STRAIGHT PEOPLE ARE NOT ***** HAPPY!

      By the way, P0s3r, those kids shouted down the Minutemen. The Minutemen grabbed the kids and threw them off the stage, struck them, and hit them. Now who's the ***** fascist?
    • melodramatic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1ZenMojo "Wow. Separate but equal being applied to sexuality: "You can marry whoever you want in your own race, just don't marry outside of it" has now become "You can marry whoever you want of the opposite sex, just don't marry within it.""

      You seem to have forgotten the context in which "You can marry whoever you want in your own race, just don't marry outside of it" existed. It was based on individual civil rights of all African-Americans. They lacked many many rights, and had to fight for them. Homosexuals's starting point today is possessing all the same rights as any citizen, which is where your logic breaks down. If the majority of the citizens believe that the government should prevent something which is viewed as immoral, then that is how the politicians will behave. Homosexuals aren't facing what African-Americans were facing in the 60s and before, and they have the ability to participate in society everywhere in America. So your comparison has a few logical holes in it.

      The beauty of democracy is that if your libertarian viewpoint of "it doesn't affect me so let them do it" is felt by most people to be correct, the laws will eventually reflect that. I agree with you about gay marriage and honestly don't care if they marry each other, but if I fail to convince enough other people that I'm right, they simply won't be allowed to marry.
    • avidlinuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@pos3r Right-wing christians have killed people, http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=Christian_ID
  • 4Prophecy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11It's better than the girl who was sentenced to death for the same "crime." Still a shame, though. :/
    • SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Her crime wasn't being raped. Her crime was being out alone without her husband.

      RTFA. Then at least you can comment about how ***** the law is and know what you're actually bitching about. If they sentenced a woman to be beaten for being raped, I'd be on my way to Saudi Arabia this minute to shoot their leaders. But she wasn't sentenced for that at all. Different crime, equally as stupid but not quite as shocking so it doesn't make a nice sensational headline.
    • eltower, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Her crime wasn't being raped. Her crime was being out alone without her husband."

      How is this not quite as shocking? Your humanitarian values shine in their absence. Read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and then tell me with a straight face that it's a bit more acceptable to whip a woman for talking to another man other than her husband rather than for being raped.

      Chauvinist.
  • DimitroffVodka, on 10/12/2007, -67/+7Bitch had it coming
    • Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Who honestly says a comment like this? Digg needs create a way to stop 13 year olds from registering to the site.
    • Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24He should be sentenced to 90 lashes and see if he can say that again.
    • toasty168, on 10/12/2007, -23/+3yeah, she should've been in the kitchen where she belongs. j/k
    • ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16There's sarcasm and there's sounding like a callous little ***** who twists legs off spiders. even a j/k wouldn't have helped your comment dimitroff.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I hope you are jokeing, and even if you are you're an ass.
    • cyroxos, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2I believe there is humor intended you idiots.
    • MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5i hope you go to prison.

      in Saudi Arabia.
    • Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7it is intended, but its not there
    • ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7ah cyroxos, i hope you and dimitroffVodka get ass-raped in jail... but humor is intended, so don't get mad. ya little bitches.
    • theone3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2NEDM! NEDM!
    • buss, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Not Even Doom Music makes that comment ok
    • grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3OMG, I don't believe how insensitive some animals can be. It is bad enough that in some countries what this woman did (to travel alone in a car with a non relative male) is considered a crime, but to actually think it is somehow her fault, that is just sick.

      A good reason to not digg the most buried comments post from this morning, it will avoid insensitive arseholes like this from getting attention. If not for the possibility of it ending up on one of these worst posts ever lists, I would bury it to hell.
  • shm1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21This isn't unique to the Saudis. In Pakistan, honor killings of rape victims are common. In Iran, a rape *victim* was hung by the neck from a crane for 45 minutes before she died.
    • Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8source? Link? I love the plethora of knowledge you guys carry, but some backup would be nice. I'm not for a second saying you are incorrect, I just like to see something I am able to cite and back up when or if I ever bring up said situation in an argument or conversation.
    • shm1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@derrekito
      There are more sources and links for this than I can put here. Just google for these keywords:

      1. Pakistan: "honor killings" pakistan
      2. Iran: iran rape crane

      Just BTW, the Iranian girl was 16 years old.

      shm1
      PS: I was tempted to call you lazy or stupid for not being able to find these on your own, but I decided not to.
    • Chaser12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://digg.com/world_news/Hanged_from_a_crane_aged_16_Justice_Iran_style

      heh
    • lunasunshine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@SHM1

      i had no idea.
      i typed "iran rape crane" into google
      i clicked the first result
      i cried as i read that
      i am speachless with distress

      again, how can this happen in this world RIGHT NOW? how can things like this occur?
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@Lunasunshine:

      The one thing they have in common is Sharia law. Think about that. Think about the fact that huge segements of the British Muslim population wants to live under Sharia. (60%, if I remember correctly, or something outrageously high.)
  • wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15More proof (as if you needed it) that Saudi Arabia specifically, and countries under Sharia law generally, are FUBAR.

    One of the reasons that some social historians give for the lack of development in these countries is the fact that they continue to repress and demean half of their population.

    Either they are going to have to change, or something really bad is going to happen.
    • SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5You mean like having America (***** YEAH!) come and fix them?
  • xsuite, on 10/12/2007, -25/+11***** muslims.....
    • VelocitySnyper, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14now now mate, its not all muslims, just a select few. i know some very nice muslim people, you shouldnt generalise like that, it could get you in a lot of trouble
    • ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10chill out man, i don't like seeing the apple symbol beside a comment like that.
    • wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8It may sound bad, but these actions are done under the name of Islam. Sorry if it sounds awful, but Sharia law is based on the religion.
    • SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7In the name of is not the same as because of. There are hundreds of millions of perfectly decent, honest and good muslims who don't punish the victim for being female. Religion didn't cause this problem, some people are just total *****. Even if religion was illegal, they'd still be ***** and find some new reason for being so.
  • jamelt, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1How do you guys apply your lifestyle to other cultures? Forcing your cultural views on other cultures does not work.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Some things go beyond cultural differences. I am sure a lot of Saudis would agree with me were it not for the penaltys for questioning with their laws.
    • Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5HELLO! South Korea, anybody?

      I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, but a good example, and what I think was a good outcome... for the most part. Remember the miniskirts story on the front page today?
    • nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm sorry but that's just moderate PC ***** at it's worst. You trying to side-step that this is a terrible, terrible thing.

      Are you saying that the women deserves to be lashed in *addition* to suffering rape? A simple yes or no will suffice.

      Or...maybe you should ask her how she feels about her human rights in relation to her culture after the severe lashing and further humiliation she's going to suffer.
    • BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Forcing my cultural views on other cultures? You wouldn't have that attitude if you were gang-raped and then punished with violence by a judge afterward.
    • tamarind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Behold the evils of cultural relativism
  • MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1Look at this, and you Americans complain about the "state of the union". Boo-***** hoo child obesity.
  • easy4lif, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1meh
  • Vapours, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3In Islam, appropriate punishment for those who cheat on their wife/husband is death, isnt it?
    Am I wrong in thinking that real unfair (hypocritical) part was that all these guys didn't get their head chopped off?
  • DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Not that I am a fan of The Jerusalem Post but this just adds more fodder to the fact that states based on Islamic law are ass backwards and part of the 14the century. I am pretty much against all forms of organized religion but Islam is bar-none the worst. Islam and the Western World are not compatible. The only solution that I see to the conflict between the West and Islam is to dilute the fanaticism on both sides through education and opportunity. I am not sure where to start but things need to change soon and I am willing to help in whatever way because I do not like where we as a global society are heading.
  • Lane, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@Dimitroffvodka you are the scum of the earth and i cannot wait to see how INCREDIBLELY DUGG DOWN you will be by this time tomorrow.
  • Guncrazy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!

    She should be grateful the judge was a "moderate Moslem."
  • zeabrid, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Is anyone actually reading the story? The title of this Digg article IS misleading. It's claiming that the victim of the gang-rape was sentenced to the 90 lashes because of the rape - on the contrary, her sentence is due to the fact that she was riding in a car with a man she was not married to.

    The man also will recieve 90 lashes.

    Read the ***** articles, people.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Oh so it's OK then?

      It's still contrary to the common notion of justice. For the rapist no mercy, for the victim no sympathy or mercy. That whole part of the world is headed for a crash and they may take the rest of us with them.
    • DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think that it is a little ridiculous that unmarried people in Saudi Arabia can't be in the same car together, don't you? The fact is that Islam treats women like second class citizens and that is wrong.
    • nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Ah, we stand corrected.

      Obviously, it's quite okay to be flogged for riding in a car with a man she wasn't married to.

      Well, I for one thank my lucky stars I wasn't born to live in a country ruled by such brutal, theocratic, backward thinking, 15th century-a-like *****. And I mean Saudi not USA.
    • enviro689, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Zeabird, what difference does it make, you trying to split a flea's ass.

      btw, read loud in your fcuking ears......., the WOMAN is getting lashes for being gang FCUKED....., did you get it.
  • fiver22, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13This is not about Islam -it's about religion as a whole. Religion and politics should *never* be combined. Take that to the polls.
    • DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I digged you up but unfortunately people do take religion to the polls, that is what is scary. I still can't believe that the majority of Americans think the world is 6000 years old. I scares me that those people have the right to vote and do so in such large numbers.
  • wowbagger, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Typical muslims for you. The religion of tolerance. Ha.

    Better prepare for it here too, you'll be getting sharia law before you know it if you vote lib.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Don’t get so high and mighty neocon, Christianity has been just as repressive in it’s history. If fundamentalist Christians had their way it would be again..
    • godphase3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Any real Muslim would not allow this to happen. Islam, as a religion, DOES have more messages of tolerance and respect for those who are different from themselves. It even specifically says that any Muslim who harms a Christian or Jew unjustly is to be punished for it. That doesn't stop people from twisting it though, like with any religion. The world would be a nice place if people took the overall message of all their religions to heart rather than just the few parts that seem to suit them.
    • daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Muslim:B1N142 “‘O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.’ A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.’”

      Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”

      Ishaq:584 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.”

      Ishaq:185 “In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.”

      Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
    • riverside71, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Qu'ran and Hadith.. big difference my friends.

      ALL the stupid injunctions in Islam come from hadith.. a corrupted history written 200 years after the death of the prophet.. it's all vulgar filth spewn by Persian writers who didn't even know the religion first hand cuz it just came to them through Arab conquerers.

      It does however make an excellent tool in the hand of the Clerics who become self appointed authorities based on their 'learning' of these hadiths and issuing fatwas left right and center which have no basis in the religion itself.

      Like all religions Islam got corrupted too.. Muslims don't know and Israelis are just using the chinks in their armour to fan more Islamophobia and hatred against their arch enemy in American hearts and minds to keep them (and their tax dollars) on their side.
  • scifipirate, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1This is clearly Bush's fault!
  • labelexec, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4They should execute both the rapist and the victim. That's 2 less Arabs in the world and possibly more cause they didn't breed.
    • nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4What delightful commentary. You've certainly got my vote for being third in line for execution. Asshat.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Better Arabs should breed than the kind of inbreeding your kind does.
  • bishsd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Dammit. We accept crap like this out of our "strategic partners"? WTF? We call these backwards-ass people our allies in the "War on Terror"? What civilized nation associates with a culture like that?!

    Huh? What? My Ford Excursion? Yeah? What about it? Oh, *****... that's right, huh? *****, well... I mean, it IS only 90 lashes. Could be worse, right? We should learn to be more respectful of other cultures. Just because we don't understand a culture, doesn't mean it's wrong.

    Dammit.
  • CBallzTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3In other news....
    John Kerry is spanked by five U.S. Marines.
  • JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Remember our government is in bed with the Saudis.
    • enviro689, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1No GW and his father is IN bed, now what did you expect....... Chaney bending over???
    • aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And I'm sure this is all Bush's fault.

      The reason why the US has an "alliance" with the ruling family is because of oil. And if the extreme elements come to power we might not get our oil. And oh things like this would occur far more often with the extreme elements in power. Right now the ruling family is tempering these extreme elements that would do far worse things.

      So to say somehow the US is an ally of the ruling family and thus indirectly responsible is very naive and uninformed.
  • m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1serves her right, she was married and she went out with another guy and got raped if you read the story properly.

    i dont see whats wrong with it honestly...a woman who cheats on her husband deserves to be hit like that and for your information, the guys got it worse too, as all of them are married also, they are getting beaten up too

    talk about justice!
  • enviro689, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0Muslim women MUST be beaten IAW with the pervert....Mohammed......., No... then they must like it.
  • Whoboy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1GOOD he deserves every beating as possible raping is not good if u digg down u must support rapist.
    • fgsfds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1See, here's where you ***** up: It's not the RAPISTS who are getting 90 lashes, it's the PERSON THEY GANG RAPED who's getting them.
  • JollyRogerBass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This sounds like some joke Borat would make.
    The fact that an actual court of law could even think of something like this is deeply disturbing to me.
  • MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I was reading the headline and thinking, "huh? I don't get it... I mean.. if anything, rapists deserve far, far worse." Then my head exploded as I realized it said "VICTIM". Wow...
  • zeabrid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@Enviro689
    Zeabird, what difference does it make, you trying to split a flea's ass.
    btw, read loud in your fcuking ears......., the WOMAN is getting lashes for being gang FCUKED....., did you get it.

    No, she's not. She's getting lashes for a completely different thing, once again; read the ***** article.
  • noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wonder if the rapists sentenced to prison can get their lashes in an annuity.
  • Xinareiaz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Um...read the article. The one getting the 90 lashes is some guy who was alone with her in the car. She got zilch.
    • daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How damn hard is it for YOU to read the article?

      From the FIRST FSCKING PARAGRAPH

      "A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married. "
    • Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Saudi courts take marital status into account in sexual crimes. A male friend of the rape victim was also sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with her in the car."

      looks like daldredge beat me to it
    • Tocc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1nm need to refresh before commenting...
    • acff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0serves her right for tempting him
      i hate it when the ladies do that
  • pacifier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They were roaming the desert 100 years ago, give them a break.

    //sarcasm
  • brentris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0surely their God would have wanted it this way.
    /sarcasm
  • RRJackson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Makes this all the more pressing:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html

    Six Arab states join rush to go nuclear
    By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor
    Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, UAE and Saudi Arabia seek atom technology
  • DefenceMinister, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is what you get from Saudi Salafis. Interesting allies the US has in the Middle East.
  • zaibatsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hey great article Bullyjack, thanks for getting this out
  • JointVenture, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Great, an article about Something that happens in Saudi Arabia and MANY other Islamic Fundamentalist countries...TURKEY being one of them and all the Moonbats can do is blame the USA.

    Whats wrong with you people?

    How Islamic countries treat women has NOTHING to do with US policy towards those nations.



  • Gemini25RB, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1My favorite part of the article was: "Her husband and family said that they would appeal to the court Saturday for harsher penalties for a crime which has shocked public opinion in Saudi Arabia and been the subject of months of debate."

    So, like 1000 lashings for her?
    • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Don't be a dumbass. For that one rapist who only got 80 lashes while the woman got 90 ... just for starters.

      Anyway, if anyone wants to know what would happen if the Christian Right got a hold of our country, look no further than Saudi Arabia. (I say this as a G-d-fearing born-again Methodist.)

      Any society that favors one religion, race, or creed over another will necessarily negate the representation, rights, and influence of all others. It is that simple. The only answer is to treat all religions with equal respect and consideration, and in the infinite scope of religious belief and interpretation, the only reasonable motion is toward secularism.

      Moral action on the political and civil stage has to be motivated by common humanity, not common religious or cultural practice. The sooner we get that, the sooner we understand that we cannot be a Christian nation because we are not all Christians, the sooner we can start treating each other fairly on the condition of our humanity, not on the condition of having joint religious beliefs.
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ZenMojo

      Your rant about the religious right is totally faulty. Look: this woman was a Muslim. You're ranting about the dangers of favoring one religion over another negating the influences of others and insisting that Saudi Arabia is what will result if the Christian Right got a hold of this country. Do you totally ignore the fact that this terrible incident is not the result of repressing minority religious views? This was the result of Islamic estimations of the rights of women. I'm not saying that domination by religious political power is a good thing; what I'm saying is that you're ignoring the problem that is plainly obvious and hollering at a straw man. In the Bible, Jesus says "give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is God's", which implies a separation of religious and civil duties, but in Islam, there is no separation of religion and state, neither in their holy texts, nor in the practices of its founder and Islamic civilization. You take this opportunity to rant about boogey-man Christians when the problem is Islam. Wherever Islam takes root, it tries to seize political power in a way that makes the Christian Right look like amateurs, and history testifies that this is a consistent pattern not likely to change. If you're barking at Christians in response to this article, you're barking up the wrong tree.
    • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ZenMojo
      I agree, this also applies to Athiesm (which is not the same thing as a secular government) if a country becomes ruled by Athiesm you get something along the lines of a communist government or the banning of all religion - i.e an end to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Secularism is the one decent thing that America has brought to popularity in the world and we need to keep it alive. ***** Saudi Arabia.
  • h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Shiela Brofslosky is certainly saying "Wha wha wha whaaaaaaaat" right about now.
  • khalifa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1First Title is misleading

    Second saudi arabia pick and chose whatever law from Holy Quran.

    Third more get gang rape in christian countires for example USofA.

    Fourth I am guessing most of you guys are all bastards in respectful way.....your mother got ***** before she got married...we call them bastards....so you should be the last person to talk about this ***** fudge packing fagets.

    Fifth in last two years i have heard or seen about 25 revert to Islam.

    Six go study real Islam or talk to your local muslims......because you guys all going to kill youself as half of you are gays and half who are straight don't want to reproduce........but i do want some variety, so please study Islam before its too late. thank you

    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And Iran also? (Women who are raped are hung) And Pakistan? (Same dispicable treatment of women.) And all the Turks who immigrated to Germany who have committed "honor killings" of their daughters who they feel were sexually defiled? They all misread the "holy" Qur'an? I think if Islamic societies ruled under Sharia consistently do this, you are the one who is misleading.

      It looks like you're practicing Taqiyah here. (Deceiving the unbelievers for the interests of Islam.) I don't buy a word of what you say. Islam consistently shows a pattern of being inhuman and evil, and unable to take criticism but to lash out in childish and violent reaction. It is a rotten tree that bears rotten fruit.

      For your own sake, please study Islam before it is too late. Thank you.
    • mrbrant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1In all due respect, you are a misled bigot/idiot.
    • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Political-Islam and Islam are two completely separate things. Political Islam is a fascist Nazi-style cult of ***** eating ***** who flog and stone and amputate people in a disgusting ooze of medieval savagery.
    • shm1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@khalifa

      Way to go convincing us that there is any civilization in your soul.
  • Atmandk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All hail the flying spaghetti monster. The saudi king probably has a meth-boyfriend in denver too. jackasses.
  • mrbrant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yet another example of why religion is evil.

    A society based on religion punishes a victim of a heinous crime and barely punishes the criminals involved.
  • TastySheriff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1That title does not tell nearly enough of the story. First off, she broke the law (as stupid of a law as it may have been) by bieng alone in a car that was not her husbands. Second, 90 lashes is not alot, considering the 2200+ lashes and prison sentences the 4 rapists will split between themselves. Just because someone is victimized doesnt necessarily mean they didnt do anything wrong.
    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is wrong. Don't confuse enforcement of stupid laws with justice.
    • somebitches, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In Nazi Germany being or harbouring a Jew was against the law.

      Saudi Arabia is a ***** up ***** hole and we should not humor these savages.
  • mrynit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1some people paymoney to get 69 lashings
  • spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is sharia law.
    • sardion2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's actually Sharia-lite. Western Music is aloud, the Burka isn't manditory(though the Hajib is). Women are allowed to work in certain industries now(the first was Stewardesses and they didn't were a Hajib either).
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