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Saudi Marriage 'Expert' Advises Men in 'Right Way' to Beat Their Wives

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  • Napoleone, on 11/09/2007, -16/+190FTA: "He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child -- slapping them right and left."

    Damn... poor kids.

    Saudi Arabia is a hundred times more oppressive of its people than Iran. It's also the greatest sponsor of terrorism outside of the CIA. Yet Bush never mentions them; probably because he's too busy walking with sheiks through gardens while holding hands and making business deals that benefit his family and that of a roomful of other person's.
    • smittyme, on 11/09/2007, -87/+9You are a Friggin Idiot...truly you are!
      • airiox, on 11/06/2007, -11/+25Even though the end of his comments are slightly retarded, he speaks the truth. Saudi Arabia and China are America's worst enemies.
        • sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -15/+3I'd like to expand that to say that most of the middle east and most of the far east are our own worst enemies. And a chunk of south america.
          • CoolWind, on 11/04/2007, -1/+9and chunks of Africa and Europe and Russia?
          • FiremanJersey, on 11/04/2007, -1/+17and chunks of Antarctica. When the penguins rise against us, only then will we witness true evil!
          • Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2That's right, FiremanJersey. Tux will use all the linux boxes across the globe to bring down the Internet...
          • mightydavefish, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Sounds like we've been assholes to pretty much everyone, and now we are getting it back.
      • Bossman1086, on 11/06/2007, -2/+3You mean you didn't know that Saudi Arabia is like our number 1 ally? Why else would Bush have dinner with the Royal Family?
        • sanman, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Religion of Peace?
        • smittyme, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1So the President of the United States only has dinner with our number 1 ally...I guess that means that he has never had dinner with any other leader from another country...RETARD!
      • killermatt, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1And you, sir, are awesome. These people are ignorant and will believe whatever is easiest for them. Being lied to by the media? NO!!
    • dartmanx, on 11/06/2007, -10/+23The USA's support of Saudi Arabia is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If the monarchy falls, the current situation gets MUCH, MUCH worse.
      • vertinox, on 11/06/2007, -4/+6Maybe we should demand them to reform before we give them any more aid.
        • Vincent21212, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10we give them aid? I always thought they could buy all the aid they desire?
      • dragon76, on 11/06/2007, -2/+7A lot of people said the exact same thing before the overthrow of the monarchy in France.
      • Gavagai80, on 11/06/2007, -2/+7If the monarchy fails, the whole rallying point for regional terrorism dissapears and you're left with a few isolated extremists no longer able to get the sympathy of the people.
      • artemus, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Except that if the "Kingdom" collapses, you know what happens? U.S. troops will occupy that territory, and Arabia will become a puppet dictatorship.
    • loganhid, on 11/06/2007, -24/+10LOL you watch too much of fox news - this whole crap is overated however i do believe that their culture goes a bit over the top when dealing with women e.g. not letting them drive.
      • JonnyTrombone, on 11/06/2007, -3/+24FYI: The House of Saud represents an extremely conservative (orthodox/orthopraxic) form of Islam (Wahabism). This "whole crap" isn't "overated" [sic], in fact, it's being ignored in a rather disturbing way. Our support of oppressive regimes in the East is helping to make citizens there hate us.
        • theone3, on 11/04/2007, -1/+22Wahabism is a scourge on Islam0 - they encourage the sunni/shia division and give us a bad name, I say that as a Muslim, and I assure you that both the Sunnis and the Shias can agree on that. The only reason it survives is that the US funds it.
        • theone3, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3(double post)
        • msafi, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Al Saud themselves aren't the most fond of Wahhabist Islam. In the country's early history Ibn Saud (founder of Saudi) found a political opportunity in joining forces with the Wahhabi's to unite the region under their rule. Currently, Wahhabism is being held together by tradition and under a very strong lobby, very much like the lobbying that's done in the U.S. government by groups like AIPAC and AARP...okay, maybe not that kind of lobbying, but still...
      • DerangedPenguin, on 11/06/2007, -1/+0We OK I do agree with the Saudi's on women voting and driving. Stupid bitch damn near killed me and destroyed my 1972 Oldsmobile 442. She was putting on eye shadow and talking on her cell phone and all she could do was giggle and tell the cop Opps I didn't see the red light.
    • vastrightwing, on 11/09/2007, -3/+40The problem is, the Saudis have something we REALLY REALLY want. So we tend to overlook any transgressions
    • Buckro, on 11/09/2007, -16/+9Why'd you go there? This article had nothing to do with Bush or politics.
      • bioskope, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Hello this is Dr. Akkkhhhhmed here. How can I help you today, caller?

        Caller: Dr. Ahmed my dishwasher isnt working fine
        Dr. Ahmed: Well give her a good kick
        Caller: Thank you doctor, I knew I could count on your advice. Aslam-alaikum
        Dr. Ahmed: Walukm Aslam
        *click

        There you go listeners, yet another man of the family on his way to marital bliss. Remember my motto folks

        What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes???
        Well, Nothing. You've already told her twice..
        This is Dr. Ahmed your favourite Wife Abuse counsellor signing off. Goodnight Riyadh.
      • mscamara, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Spousal abuse is horrible. no matter the culture. After saying that, you can really consider this as being "good" advice, in a region where it's not uncommon to kill women, or disfigure them with acid, or even to do the so call honor killing: kill your own female relative because she was raped. I would think the honor would be in killing the raper... So we should be a bit careful about imposing our own values on others cultures... In spite of what this cleric is saying, from his perspective, he is advocating moderation " advice them once...twice...ten times... he even says stop making love to them before you come to get physical with them. And even so, never beat her out of hanger... I actually don't know how you beat some one and still keep your calm, which is another reason you just don't beat, period.. Any way, what I'm saying is that is a voice of reason in a region of madness, a one eyed in a contry of blinds
    • Shakermaker, on 11/06/2007, -3/+10You'll never see the US condemn the Saudi's because it would bankrupt America when they pull their money out of the economy....
      • knuckles, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6That's easy to fix, just freeze the Saudi assets in this country. It's that simple. Why do you think the US encourages them to spend and own so much land and property INSIDE the US border - precisely because it would be easy to take those fortunes right out from under them.
      • DerangedPenguin, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1And jack the price of oil over $200.00 per barrel and we still can't drill nor exploit oil from our own sources because OwlGore has to pay back the Environmentalist for funding his jet plane.
    • crapmatic, on 11/06/2007, -1/+22As a small businessowner, I actually got ripped off by the Saudi government in 2001. One of the government agencies bought $200 of items and then turned around and did a chargeback and kept the goods. I sent a complaint to the Saudi embassy and not surprisingly didn't hear a word. Thieves.
    • cbuddha42, on 11/06/2007, -0/+7There is a fine line between what counts as saudi's right to have their own culture and what the US should step in for. Should they be allowed to have multiple wives? One of the reasons they do is to have control over them, but most people see it as part of their culture.

      The president should be more focused on who represents a national threat. Right now the biggest threat Saudi Arabia represents to our nation is they are selling oil for things other than dollars which doesn't help our currency. Iraq obviously had more militant interests; we had to keep sending inspectors there and they kept getting kicked out. That makes it a much better target from a national interest perspective.
    • zachshmack, on 11/06/2007, -2/+3The rule of thumb is a good err..rule of thumb.
    • kindwarrior, on 11/11/2007, -12/+5OH MY GOD; You people live in candy land!!! Saudi Arabia is 1000 times more free (and less brutal to it's women) and less tyrannical than Iran -- what drug are you on???

      Find me one shred of data to back up what has to be one of the most blatantly absurd statements I have ever heard!!! It will not take you long, on the other hand, to find videos from Iran of Gay hangings or women stoning, or public beheading. My old business partner was from Iran but I don't need that perspective. You'd have to live in Upside-down land to not know I'm speaking the truth.
      • PasteEater, on 11/11/2007, -1/+6You ask for proof, yet supply none. Interesting tactic.
        • mscamara, on 11/11/2007, -1/+4In Iran, women are allowed to drive. In Saudi Arabia, they are forbiden to seat in the front. What really makes me mad, is that the US military makes female soldiers wear a veil in S. A. and make them ride in the back. And their supposed to be their defending that country and that is how they get treated?
      • svartgotik, on 11/06/2007, -3/+2If that's the case, why does the leader of Iran wear western clothes?

        Trying to keep up appearances?
    • spacecoyote1966, on 11/06/2007, -6/+5I'm no supporter of the Saudi government, or for that matter any monarchy (thats just a nice way of saying dictatorship), but it should be pointed out that in America it was once acceptable for men to beat their wives and kids. Its really only been within last 50 years or so that we've grown out of that mindset.
    • DerangedPenguin, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1Bush won't go after the Saudi's because they help fund the Carter Presidential Library and the Bill Clinton Adult Book Stores. "It's also the greatest sponsor of terrorism outside of the CIA." Bet you went to a government school...
  • wity, on 11/09/2007, -15/+71He is saying women are human, but still in the same catagory as animals, property. Where are the women's rights activist or the UN when they are needed? Silient.
    • smittyme, on 11/09/2007, -13/+27They are too busy trying to get Hillary Clinton elected!
      • ProudPagan, on 11/06/2007, -2/+23A better question would be why is the U.S. such great buddies with them with all their flagrant human rights violations against women?
        • dondara, on 11/06/2007, -0/+17Follow the money ...it's all that ever matters to those in power.
      • nihilite, on 11/06/2007, -8/+5Those animals - beating their wives! Apparently the US doesnt have problems with domestic violence, so we should start criticizing other countries about it.

        http://www.abanet.org/domviol/statistics.html

        I am not downplaying the seriousness of domestic violence, but do not try to portray this as a distinctly muslim thing.
        • theblooms, on 11/06/2007, -2/+10Huge difference here: When a person is convicted of CDV here in America, he (or very rarely she) goes to prison. It is STRICTLY against the law, and if you commit that FELONY, you pay a dear price: you give up your kids, your Constitutional rights and your freedom. In Saudi Arabia, if you beat your wife, it is EXPECTED of you.

          See the difference?

          We need to drill in Alaska NOW to permanently offset the oil we import from the Saudis, get nuclear power plants online NOW to start splitting water for Hydrogen NOW. We have enough oil in ANWR to tell the Saudis to go ***** themselves while the Hydrogen economy is ramped up. We just need the political will to do it.
          • nihilite, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4i agree there is a difference between accepted behavior and institutionalized behavior; I'm just not 100% on condemning a culture for something that occurs rampantly in our own country.
          • Memitim, on 11/06/2007, -0/+7What state do you live in? Domestic violence in the southeast is damn near a free-for-all.The best advice that the cops around here give to women hiding in shelters is to run, because it is damned near impossible for the police to effectively protect them. It is nice that we don't offer advice on the proper method of beating the ***** out of one's wife; pity we don't go much further than that. Which is a shame because anyone who would commit violence against the one person on this planet who should feel safe around them is an obvious threat to everyone else.
        • yutt, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7He's on national television condoning it. And from the sounds of it, his views are a rather liberal view. Granted, I'm sure given half a chance fundamentalist Christians in the US would revert to openly supporting to that sort of behavior.

      • skyfire1, on 11/06/2007, -5/+3I read your post as "They are too busy trying to get Hillary Clinton erected!". I thought that made more sense.
        • mrurc, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3Wow! You are so insightful! I had never before realized that Hillary Clinton was a building!
        • smittyme, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Read it again retard! The UN, as discussed, is not a building. You should have stayed in school!
      • phoofy, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1I hope there'd be more trying to PREVENT her from getting elected!
    • airiox, on 11/06/2007, -11/+17The UN? The most corrupt organization in the history of all organizations? Yeah they are going to do something about it...

      When's that Mohammad dude coming back? Maybe he will arrive soon and lay the smack down on these goat herders backwards ways.
      • jmpeagle, on 11/06/2007, -7/+12an unelectable body not answerable to voters with the power to control billions of dollars in aid money....how is corruption even possible?
        • theblooms, on 11/06/2007, -6/+7Not only that, but if you look into the LOST treaty the US is about to ratify, it give the UN the power to TAX AMERICANS! Seriously! You know, 231 years ago, we fought a war against Taxation Without Representation against a central all powerful government that was not accountable to The People, and now our 'leaders' are doing it to us again. Call your Senators about this ***** NOW.
          • yutt, on 11/05/2007, -1/+5I dugg you down because you sound like a nut.

            If you want people to listen to you, you should try to learn how to express your ideas without sounding like a nut.
          • spyd3rweb, on 11/07/2007, -2/+3yutt: hes spot on about this, nothing nutty about it
          • smittyme, on 11/07/2007, -1/+1yutt dugg you down because you expressed feeling through the use of CAPS and a couple of !!...he/she failed to see your use of grammar as a means of grabbing attn....I was unaware of this, but my digg canceled him out
      • mrurc, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Yeah, the UN is totally corrupt. That's because we have veto power over stuff like investigating our own behavior!
        • mscamara, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2Actually one of the reason the UN malfunctions is that some countries, the usa included have veto power... Otherwise, the UN is really only representative of the countries who are part of it... We elected G.W. Bush, and he nominates Bolton as the ambassador... so Bolton is accountable to the American voters..
          Remember, who was bribing third world country such as Cameroun or Guinee to buy votes out of them to gain support for the war in Irak? So the USA is part of the reason why the UN is corrupted... And for one in its history, the UN raised to face the USA against going to war in Irak, the administration and the the entire press, not only fox news, went monkey ***** over how bad and inefectif the UN is...
          It is the . People, keep in mind that UNESCO, the world food program, the world health organization the HCR are all part of the UN. They do formidable work all other the world, all the time. Peace keepers are all over the world now, trying to maintain peace. The USA clearly states that its military will not be part of that because we don't send in the troops unless our national security is conserned... not for humanitarian reasons..
    • cbuddha42, on 11/05/2007, -6/+10Where is the line between what is an ok part of culture and what is wrong and must be protested against? Should we force them to view women as equals just because we do? Why? Because they are people? Should we then also force them to accept gays? I don't think we have the same high moral ground on that one.

      Just because there culture is different and we feel like ours is better doesn't give us the right to force our culture on them. And remember that while you may feel like beating women is an absolute wrong; it is your opinion. To imply that we should we demonstrating against them and the UN should be vilifying them because we think what they have been doing for thousands of years is wrong is coming dangerously close to the same ideals behind such ill advised political ideals as the white man's burden (ie. Europeans must civilize Africans and other indigenous peoples whose culture was more tribal and appeared less advanced than the European nation state system).
      • theodenking, on 11/05/2007, -3/+3I agree. We have no right to force them to change, this sort of thing must come from members of a society not externally. Firstly because we simply do not have the right to preach.
        Still, that doesn't mean we can't criticise them. I mean, here they are with (Western) film and broadcasting technology yet culturally they're clearly still in the dark ages.
        • xtc46, on 11/05/2007, -3/+2we consider them the dark ages. if they are content, let them be.
      • Humptydank, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8The issue is whether there is a minimum standard of basic human rights (note: genderless) that we as a world culture will accept.

        I'm not talking about some lightweight liberal/conservative philosophical definition, I'm talking about the cooperative enforcement of civil rights standards out of hardcore self-interest. When we as a global society stand by and watch as people of any gender, race, or other group are systematically oppressed through violence, that inaction in itself sets the rule. It says "it's cool with us if the world works like this."

        xtc46 says "we consider them the dark ages. if they are content, let them be" The problem with that is that only half of them are content. The other half are the subject of seminars on how to beat them more efficiently. We don't oppose that? Personally I'd stand to benefit in a world where physical traits dominate -- I'm six-two, two-eighty, and pretty damn strong. I could beat the hell out of a lot of people if they inconvenienced me, especially if it was within my rights.

        But that's why we have some minimum standards about how we treat one another. It's why some of those standards are so important that we call them "human rights." Not "American rights" or "Saudi rights," but "human." It's also why some of them are so fundamental that we call them "basic human rights."

        Enforcing basic human rights is defined and coordinated at an international level because everyone recognizes that what we allow to happen to someone else, no matter where in the world, could easily happen to us if we let it stand.

        So sovereignty is important, culture is important, religious tradition is important, but there are certain standards which, if you fall below them, you should expect to to find yourself in strong opposition to a world community that is willing to take action to stop you.
    • omaryak, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4The UN is largely silent becuase it can only do what its member countries tell it to do. And too many of the UN's member countries rely on Saudi oil. Many of the people on this board will scream to high heaven about "UN corruption" even as they head to the gas station to keep funding it.
    • cheney08, on 11/09/2007, -7/+3This is such a moronic comment. I am really getting tired of you people.

      Anyway, dugg for FoxNews!!
      • incendiarylvr, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I hope you are being sarcastic.

        If not, go get castrated so as not to breed and infect the human gene pool with your filth.
    • UrinalPooper, on 11/09/2007, -5/+6Women's rights activists are busy taking care of the real oppressors of women- Dolce and Gabana ads...
    • MrSteamTank, on 11/09/2007, -4/+5It's easier for women rights's activists to claim oppression in countries that they aren't actually oppressed in. Such as most of Western Europe and North America!
      • raithetarkon, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3They are oppressed at a certain level, but there is no question that they are much better off here.
    • Beakerz, on 11/05/2007, -3/+7Did you not watch the entire video? I'm definitely not defending beating in any way, but it was evident that he said that women are people and NOT to be treated as animals or beating like animals. And it seems to me what he is saying is a big step in the right direction for them - right now they wives are being beaten with fists, brutally and completely inhumanely. He is saying that the way to beat your wife (to them) is to use a 'tooth pick' (which looks like a pencil or something to me).

      He stated that you cannot beat in the face or do any actual physical damage or leave any kind of marks. No slapping, no using fists, no anything like that.

      This is definitely not a good way to do anything, but I think that it is a good step in the right directly for Saudis as wives are being brutally beaten over there. Much, much worse than what he describes.

      And I am sure that "beat" is not an adequate translation to English, it probably has a slightly different meaning before translated. Oh well, its still not right but he is going in the right direction for them it seems - closer to stopping spousal beatings all together in Saudi culture.
      • fistikuffs, on 11/05/2007, -2/+5ha ha you said "right now they wives are being beaten with fists, brutally and completely inhumanely." Are you suggesting there is a humane way for the saudis to beat their women? Maybe some open handed slaps would be more palatable to you you snivelling prick?
    • Daiken, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3Wow, it seems everyone is just digging based on the title. In the article, he says you shouldn't beat them like animals.
    • killermatt, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3You are an idiot....watch the movie.
    • ubergeek09, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Wow this humorous. Do you actually think the UN would help? It's very rare that the UN really helps any situation.
      • mscamara, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2That's so mainly because the USA does not want to commit to it. For most of its history, whenever the USA took leadership, the UN followed. Now about Darfour, it's mainly because China is threatning veto... Basically, the UN is inactive due to the veto power five members are holding.
  • smittyme, on 11/09/2007, -23/+52It is no wonder these people have no problem blowing up innocent women and children. They do not even value the well-being of their own loved (term used very loosely) ones, how can we expect them to vlaue the lives of strangers.
    • barakatx2, on 11/05/2007, -16/+12yeah, all of them blow up innocent people. LETS GET DEM DERN TERRISTS WITH OUR NUCULARS
    • Apokalyps2547, on 11/05/2007, -5/+21Relevant quote:
      "Peace will never be possible as long as they hate us more than they love their children."
      I believe it was an Israeli defense minister, commenting on how Palestinian parents typically approve of their sons becoming suicide bombers.
      • rpfsc, on 11/05/2007, -1/+5I thought it was Golda Meir who said that, but apparently it is disputed..
      • pintomp3, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2"I imagine that if I were a Palestinian of the right age, I would, at some stage, have joined one of the terror organizations." Ehud Barak told Haaretz.
      • kildorn, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2I don't know if you are confusing a quote or I hadn't had heard that. I know she did say, "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We can not forgive them for making us kill their's."
    • MacGeekGuy, on 11/05/2007, -8/+4I would encourage you to watch the actual video of his advice... it's really not nearly as bad as it was made to sound. He discourages actually beating your wife in the sense we know it here in the states. Please don't judge them based on an inflammatory headline and listen to what he is saying. He's strongly *against* actual beatings.
      • yutt, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5You are not understanding this.

        Clearly he has a rather liberal view, and maybe would even rather wives weren't beaten. However, the fact that he even has to discuss this in such a way reflects on the mentality of the culture.
    • omaryak, on 11/05/2007, -3/+5We value life. We just call it "collateral damage" when it isn't American.
      • xtc46, on 11/05/2007, -3/+2we call it collateral damage when it is American too...
    • Modizzle, on 11/05/2007, -4/+3Nice job on the angry-mob-rousing language. I'LL FOLLOW YOU! BY-GOLLY YOU'RE RIGHT! Look, you dumb ***** kid, your mistake is that you you deceitfully try to make it sound like that guy was completely devoid of humanity, when it's obvious to anybody that he spent more time talking about how you should NOT beat a woman, than how you should. How do you know that wasn't a strategic attempt to curb brutal beatings? If you're an American Citizen, why don't you look into your own country's history, and legal condoning of spousal abuse.
    • terriblelie, on 11/05/2007, -3/+2I agree with modizzle. This is a different culture and different customs. The sheik laid out the proper guidelines that would not hurt the woman but will let her know who is boss. He said in the beginning that if you have told her many a times and she still wont listen then take care of business. I dont condone beating this ***** out of your wife, what he has shown was a spanking such as ones given to a child.
  • a1960g, on 11/06/2007, -8/+15If this is how he believes in treating his wife and his children and he advises other men on this subject to follow his example , I feel sorry for the Saudi society as a whole because there is truly no common sense left among their people be it clerics or other men who are supposed to be "In Charge" and I use the term loosely because who in their right mind would advise violence against another family member? I really think they have lost their sense of humanity.
    • Waterrat, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4s do I...I wonder how they would feel about spousal abuse if the roles were reversed and THEY were the ones who got the beatings?
      How disgusting. People don't even beat their dogs.
      • omaryak, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3... but many are comfortable beating their children:

        "It is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely."
        – James Dobson
      • Memitim, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2The wife and I call that "sitter night." ;)
  • vendico, on 11/09/2007, -26/+28So... when will the world wake up and realize these are modern cave man. I think extinction needs to catch up with them.
    • ZenMojo, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2How dare you beat your women and children! We should just exterminate you, your women, and your children.
      Well Told, *****.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0ZenMojo: Let's look at ourselves before pointing fingers. How dare some Americans beat our own women and rape them? Look at the statistics. Every 7 seconds, a woman is raped in America.
  • Daisie13, on 11/09/2007, -7/+26These women never grow up, perennial children at best, property at worst. No wonder their society is so dis-functional.
    • cheney08, on 11/04/2007, -9/+1The first sane comment I have seen on this topic.

      Dugg for FoxNews!
    • Midvicious, on 11/06/2007, -3/+4A society of men is only measured by the character if its woman.
  • airiox, on 11/04/2007, -22/+8You would think this was cable news or something with the poorly written article. Oh wait...
  • samaj, on 11/04/2007, -29/+17I am a close follower of FOX.COM. Just wondering how misleading and malicious media can be.

    I have read the Holy Quran and also have heard from learned scholars that "When your wife moves towards adultery, first warn her, then separate your bedding from her, even then if she does not mend her ways, then, beat her slightly on arm or leg to indicate the path she is treading leads to destruction of family and leads her to hell.
    And, just a reminder - Islam is the only religion on the face of this earth to provide right to inheritance to women - Last but not the least, According to Islam, keys to paradise lies in keeping one's mother happy and serving her in her oldage - not leaving them at the mercy of nursing home and oldage homes.
    • airiox, on 11/04/2007, -12/+14Firstly you're a moron, FOX.COM isn't news, it's a site designed for its network tv lineup. So how exactly are you a close follower of a site you don't even know the proper address for?

      Secondly, Islam isn't the only religion that give woman an option for inheritance.

      Lastly, did I mention you're a moron?

      Seriously I want to gouge the eyes out of my face with retards like you in this world.
      • dartmanx, on 11/04/2007, -8/+7Careful, don't upset the Muslim. *sarcasm*
      • d686, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3leave your own eyes alone, gouge his.
      • Volcanite, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2lol hes actually right islam is the first and only to give inheritance rights to woman - look it up
    • Beveridge89, on 11/04/2007, -4/+10What does it matter what the Quran says? This is about how the Saudis treat their women, not about the contents of the entire religion.
      • poidh, on 11/04/2007, -9/+4The Saudis treat their women pretty much according to Islam.
        • theone3, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5It's fundamentalist Islam. Basically the saudi royals are the equivalent of the 'god hates fags' church, but they live on the oil and the US backs them up, so it's them in charge of a country.
      • nihilite, on 11/04/2007, -2/+10The muslims we are talking about arent concerned about the entire Quran anyways. They picked out a few hateful verses from the book and that is their new religion.

        These guys are muslims in the same way that david koresch and jim jones were christians.
        • Crusader1145, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3Not exactly. This is very much a mainstream view in Islam, its hardly a fringe element pushing these ideas. The only controversy is how severe the beating should be, not that you shouldn't do it.
        • Volcanite, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2crusader please go learn more before you spout ignorant hate rhetoric, i assure that most of the concepts used in radical islam is far from the mainstream view, almost all of the justifications used for their crimes is completely out of context. For an example, the main stream islamic view condones hitting wives until all other hope is lost and even then u cannot hit them with a stick bigger than a toothbrush, ( in other words you really cant hit them at all).
      • Crusader1145, on 11/04/2007, -3/+5This is very much about what the Koran says. Its how wife beating, second class status for non-Muslims, jihad, etc is justified in Muslim culture.
        • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Crusader: Here's an idea, please go talk to an expert in Islam and then post your opinion. Actually, please don't post your opinions; we simply don't care.
          And by an expert, I mean an educated Muslim who has studied Islam (not some stupid Muslim cleric or "an expert" in the Middle East who doesn't know what he's talking about).
    • seinfeldking, on 11/04/2007, -8/+2http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-b ...
    • cheney08, on 11/04/2007, -7/+2You realize you're going to hell, user samaj, don't you? Whatever your real name is. Your comment is relentlessly ignorant and backwards. I can agree with your sentiment but not your adherence to a backward religion.

      Just FYI, you can get a definition for "adherence" at dictionary.com. Your culture has been irrelevant since, oh I don't know, about 1500 years ago. You are the mother of a pig.
      • mrurc, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Having read a religious text and talked to a religious figure does not make you a follower of a religion.

        It also doesn't mean that you are part of a specific ethnic group and most of the replies to his comments are hate speech with not even information enough to put him in the group that you are hating him for. "His culture" has been around for a lot less time than yours, so I guess yours is even more irrelevant. And by that logic, Scientology is relevant. Finally the truth about you is exposed! You are a Scientologist!

        Oh and BTW, there is a special place in Hell for people who justify behavior that is contrary to the Bible by quoting the Bible.
    • hmunkey, on 11/04/2007, -7/+8Islam is a religion. Beating is part of the culture. There is a pretty big difference. American Muslims don't beat their wives, these things are cultural.

      But to put down the obnoxious Christians who are bragging: Islam was the first religion to be pro-women.
      • tieInterceptor, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3islam is a religion but beating is part of the culture?? LOL dude, at least bother to read the passage about beating your wife IN THE QURAN, before talking nonsense.
        Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you,

        there, I did the job for you, now go and say that islam is peace, somewhere else.
        • Volcanite, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Interceptor - go learn a bit more about what ur saying, last time i checked ur not the authority in interpretation
          --->Islamic scholars and commentators have emphasized that hitting, even where permitted, is not to be harsh.Or some even contend that they should be "more or less symbolic."According to Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Ibn Kathir, the consensus of Islamic scholars is that the above verse describes a light beating. Abu Shaqqa refers to the edict of Hanafi scholar al-Jassas (d. 981) who notes that the reprimand should be "A non-violent blow with siwak [a small stick used to clean the teeth] or similar. This means that to hit with any other means is legally [Islamically] forbidden."
          Scholars and commentators have stated that Muhammad forbade men from hitting their wives' faces,[19] from hitting their wives so hard that it leaves marks on their body,[19][20] and from hitting their wives as to cause pain (ghayr mubarrih).[14] Scholars too have stipulated against beating or disfigurement, with others such as the Syrian jurist Ibn Abidin prescribing ta'zir punishments against abusive husbands.[21]
          --wikipedia
    • SweetMercury, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Great, women have the right to inherit property, in exchange for being some *****'s punching bag. Great religion you got there.

      So other religions deny women their human right to own property, and Islam only "grants" it to them with a "non-bruising" punch to the ribs; doesn't that mean they are all garbage in terms of their treatment of women?
      • mrurc, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Thanks for letting us know that you didn't read the article.
        • SweetMercury, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Do you have Down's Syndrome? In what way is my comment an indication that I didn't read the article?

          I was replying to samaj's laughable justification regarding property rights, not anything specific in the article.
  • WorkingDead, on 11/05/2007, -22/+17Well...... If your going to be doing something, you might as well do it right.

    /ducks
    • ProudPagan, on 11/04/2007, -7/+9Just one more misogynist pig I see. Please, get hit by a bus soon.
      • airiox, on 11/03/2007, -0/+4Witch?
      • nihilite, on 11/04/2007, -2/+9You've got it all wrong. He's just sayin you got to keep your pimp hand strong.
        • cranium, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2There should be a silicone bracelet for that.
  • ProudPagan, on 11/09/2007, -30/+62Before we all get on our high horse, let's think clearly about how the Bible condones wife abuse and up until about 15 years ago the laws in the U.S. did the same. The question is when will men see women as equals and treat them accordingly? My father was famous for using the Bible to justify him in being a tyrannical a$$. Funny thing is, the only thing he knew about the Bible was the parts where women were made to "submit." Thank God for divorce and my mother leaving him!
    • yldmorninglory, on 11/04/2007, -9/+37 The Bible & a gun have these in common: They both can be used to protect or abuse. It all depends on whose holding them. It is regrettable that the Bible gets the blame for this one seeing as it was your father's misinterpretation of the Bible that he hid behind to do what he did for the sake of control.
      • dimplemonkey, on 11/04/2007, -2/+9Holy Word, Batman! You've hit the nail squarely!
      • dragon76, on 11/04/2007, -12/+7Weapons do nothing to protect, don't give me that *****. If someone is shooting at you, a gun is not going to protect your ass. A gun is not armour. It can only be used as a weapon: it's designed to caused destruction, not prevent it. Pre-emptive war is not peace. Pre-emptive aggression is not protection.
        • cranium, on 11/05/2007, -9/+4LOL, what a crock of *****.
        • Memitim, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2A dead assailant is no longer a threat. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics: "Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime." The recidivism rate of criminals sentenced to death? 0%. Seems like killing the one attempting to harm you is the most effective means of protection, after all.

          Of course that doesn't scale well, since the more people you kill off, the more chances that you have to turn against you, so I would agree with your assessment of pre-emptive war, unless the ultimate goal is the extinction of everyone else in which case it doesn't matter.
      • yutt, on 11/05/2007, -10/+6Yes, a Bible and a gun have this in common: In a perfect world, neither are wanted or necessary, and all either can do is harm.
      • spacecoyote1966, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1Guns don't kill people. The government does! - Dale Gribble
    • ellecon, on 11/04/2007, -3/+33 words: Rule of thumb.
      • skyfire1, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Rubber bullets ftw!
        • j33buscr1p3s, on 11/04/2007, -1/+0Perhaps it should have been the rule of wrist...
    • UrinalPooper, on 11/04/2007, -5/+9Um... fifteen years ago American laws were not condoning wife-beating. I think the bible is full of s***... but frankly, so are you.
    • mendye, on 11/05/2007, -3/+0"the Bible condones wife abuse"?! What else?
    • drakethegreat, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1It speaks more about individuals then it does about beliefs when you beat or injure anything. Its easy to blame others for your own actions. Thats why the democrats are completely ***** retarded just like Bush and friends. Nobody wants to take responsibility for what they do. On another topic I don't believe women are equals I just don't think those differences mean men should beat them or hurt them...
    • Pikachelsea, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Would you mind quoting me the exact verses in the Bible that supposedly "condone wife abuse"? Thanks much.
  • scamerica, on 11/04/2007, -24/+23It's the Middle East bashing season at FOX right now. They want the sheeple to support a war with Iran... as most American think Iran and Saudi are the same country.
    What about Darfur ?


    • nirav72, on 11/04/2007, -2/+9Who the hell cares about skinny black people with No OIL. /sarcasm.
    • poidh, on 11/04/2007, -7/+3The US wanted to go in and take care of Darfur but were blocked by China and others at the UN.
      • xtc46, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5lol right, like the US gives a crap about what the UN says it can and cannot do.
  • rfm3801pga, on 11/04/2007, -18/+5NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS WAR! WOW! These men are so inferior and worthless compared to women (and children and animals) that the only way they can show any power is to BEAT those they believe weaker to them. These poor men, I pity them for their ignorance, inferiority and worthlessness to the rest of the world. As long as they exist, the world will probably be at war! When I see them in the elevator or on the street I will now laugh at their worthlessness and their laziness to be unable to rise above it.
    • m1cobra, on 11/08/2007, -8/+4 Excellent!!!! I laugh now when I see them, now we know why the democrats side with them, same level of non humanity.
  • m1cobra, on 11/04/2007, -17/+7 That little weasel , laid one hand on me , he better not go to sleep. These evil little weiners, wouldn't get by with it if the women put a few knots on their heads. Or eliminated their herds, or sugar in the gas tanks. So, my conclusion is , the women in their $500 dollar underwear apparently enjoy it.
  • tehbored, on 11/04/2007, -9/+9The culture difference is really astounding isn't it? What happens is really horrible, but what can we do? Nothing. We can't go around telling other countries what kind of policies they can and can't have.
    • wity, on 11/04/2007, -4/+13Oh, really? I thought that was what Human Rights watch and the UN was for, to tell us and other countries what can and can not do be done to other human beings. So, where is the outrage at this kind of comments by a "religious leader." If it had been a Christion "religious leader" teaching these things, the out cry would have been so loud, it would have been heard all the way around the world. Cultureal differences be dammed! Inhumanity is inhumanity.
      • dragon76, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3Well, you can't pick and choose when to be a member of the UN. The UN said that there was no proof of Saddam having WMD and that war with Iraq was not a path to be taken. If we're going to tell the UN to ***** off, then we can't use the UN as a defense.
    • Waterrat, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2 But we DO go around telling other countries what to do.Take abortion...If they want money for birth control,from the USA,they can't offer abortions.
  • WestonP, on 11/04/2007, -28/+23Buried for FoxNews.com

    How can people even take them seriously anymore? All they're doing is trying to demonize middle eastern people because it's easier for us to be at war with someone that we think we have a reason to hate. Absolutely pathetic.
    • IslandDog, on 11/04/2007, -9/+20Why not take them seriously? Just because they report on the brutality of islam why other "media" outlets refuse to do so?
      • omgosh, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2'brutality of islam' or brutality of arabian culture?

    • CraigJ, on 11/04/2007, -1/+13Fox is not the source: http://memritv.org/content/en/about.htm
    • cheney08, on 11/04/2007, -5/+4I'll offset that bury with a solid digg for Foxnews.com. There's a reason they're so popular -- they tell the truth! Not the watered down ***** the Communist News Network feeds you proletariat garbage.
  • jmpeagle, on 11/07/2007, -23/+61what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

    Nothing you already told her twice.

    What do you call a woman with one black eye?

    A good listener.

    ZING
    • nirav72, on 11/04/2007, -10/+5ROFL..dude that was funny!
      • Waterrat, on 11/04/2007, -12/+6 Funny?
        That's horrible! Women are not men's personal punching bags.
        Let's reverse the sex on that and see how you like it.
        what do you tell a man with two black eyes?

        Nothing you already told him twice.

        What do you call a man with one black eye?

        A good listener.

        Not so funny now,is it?!

        • falco216, on 11/04/2007, -3/+7I don't know... that made me laugh :D
          its just a joke, calm down.
        • Hollic, on 11/04/2007, -5/+3It's not funny because we just read the joke two seconds ago. God, piss off Ms. Killjoy.
        • xtc46, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1Id call the two black eyes a a sissy. The guy with one black eye I might buy a beer (assuming he gave the other guy 2 black eyes)
        • kcpepper111, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1lol sarcasm.
    • kcpepper111, on 11/04/2007, -6/+4Good joke.
    • xtc46, on 11/04/2007, -6/+9Why are womens feet smaller than mens?


      so they can stand closer to the sink!


      why don't women wear a watch?

      because there is a clock on the oven!
    • jon30041, on 11/04/2007, -8/+4Why don't women need an umbrella?

      Because it doesn't rain between the kitchen and the bedroom.

      How many women does it take to change a kitchen lightbulb?

      ***** it, let the bitch cook in the dark.
  • hiphoc, on 11/09/2007, -27/+30Fox news people... Please take grain of salt now.
    • IslandDog, on 11/04/2007, -8/+14Can you show where the story is false? Amazing how people who embrace stories from rawstory complain about Fox.
      • pintomp3, on 11/04/2007, -8/+4it's not about the story being false, but about propaganda. what if the news only cherry picked stories about fred phelps and the klan as representative of christianity?
        • Crusader1145, on 11/04/2007, -1/+7Propaganda? This is mainstream Islamic thought, not a fringe element like the KKK or David Koresh.
        • pintomp3, on 11/04/2007, -4/+2i can just as easily claim fred phelps represents mainstream christian thought by pointing at the fact that gay marriage keeps getting voted down.
    • hiphoc, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2I didnt say the story was false. I just said take a grain of salt. I cant believe I have to explain what that means. All it means is that we should be careful because this is fox that's all.
    • Daiken, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2The story seems accurate but I'm sure a lot of westerners will still be angry because of the message of the story. What they don't think upon is that the limitations on wife beating are pretty strict that anyone who actually cares to follow it, will probably never even bother trying to beat the wife. Those who do actually beat their wives are not really following religion and hence it doesn't matter what right you give them, because they probably would have done it anyways.
    • skyfire1, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Grain of salt? I'm eating a pretzel.
  • passedoutghost, on 11/04/2007, -9/+9That reminds me of the episode of American Dad where they go to Saudi Arabia:'This yours?'
    [I'm not sexist by the way, and I find the degrading treatment of women to be disgusting]
  • andrewcsayer, on 11/04/2007, -16/+3What a *****
  • pintomp3, on 11/05/2007, -16/+58thank god no one beats their wives in the US.
    • crashflow, on 11/06/2007, -6/+10you forgot "...oh wait..."
    • poidh, on 11/06/2007, -6/+16Is wife-beating enshrined in the US constitution like it is enshrined in the Qur'an?
    • MrSteamTank, on 11/05/2007, -10/+580% of all violence is male on male. As a man I'm far more likely to be a victim of violence than any woman. Why people always portray women as victims is beyond me!
      • Memitim, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7Because men typically attack other men outside of their family. Most violence committed by men against women is typically within the family. A man's home is his castle, but for many women it is their prison.
    • chrissandvick, on 11/06/2007, -3/+5It's a crime here pinto.
    • louisvuittondon, on 11/06/2007, -1/+0Pinto: This doesn't happen in the US? Are you serious? Where do you live? This happens all the time, husbands abuse their wives physically.
  • x083, on 11/05/2007, -21/+5i get my news from http://www.prisonplanet.com and http://www.globalresearch.ca

    thats not news at all... that is just their culture... how dare us try to assert our culture upon theirs... maybe we should force them to openly accept homosexuality in islam too like us then... ethnocentrism (i know its a big word look it up dummy) is wrong. period. wake up america.. RON PAUL or SLAVERY 2008
    • airiox, on 11/05/2007, -6/+3You don't deserve to use Ron Paul's name. Feel free to associate yourself with the crazies on the websites though. And beating your wife isn't a cultural practice, but the word that describes it does start with a c, criminal.
  • sparkandy, on 11/06/2007, -5/+35Too bad my ex didn't get this sort of education. Then I would only have had some bruises, which would have faded, instead of broken bones which will never heal properly. Think I'll email this to him so he can use it with his next victim.
    • TrogdorSmash24, on 11/05/2007, -48/+4OWNED BITCH
    • coreyb, on 11/05/2007, -2/+4I'm sorry to admit that the two posts above are of the same gender as myself...

      A REAL man never needs to hit or try to assert power over someone.
    • OMGLINUXWOAH, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Stop whining before I smack you.
  • loganhid, on 11/05/2007, -23/+8LOL are you diggers believing this ***** - this is off fox news. Sure there are people out there with such extreme views but to generalize the whole of Saudi Arabia as being women haters or having views same as these guys is pretty stupid.
    • poidh, on 11/05/2007, -3/+11Wife-beating is mandated by Islam.
      • Crusader1145, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6I wouldn't go so far as to say its mandated, but it is most definitely allowed as a legitimate action against a "disobedient" wife.
    • CraigJ, on 11/05/2007, -1/+10Fox is not the source: http://memritv.org/content/en/about.htm
    • spacecoyote1966, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3Only if you take the koran literally. Heck, if you take the bible literally, you are not only mandated to beat your wife, but also to execute your own children if they dishonor you. It is not Islam thats the problem. Nor is it even religion in general. Its people who interpret religious texts literally that are the problem, be they Muslim, Christian, Jew or whatever.
      • killermatt, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1You are soooo right....It's (not) funny when you compare the two philosophies and then compare the ratings of the diggers that post these views....Anti-muslim views-thumbs up, Anti-Christian views THUMBS WAY DOWN!! This is ridiculous! It show how lazy society has become when we lose our ability to question. It's much easier to point fingers away from ourselves......
    • Mesmorize, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2It's written in their country's laws.
    • SweetMercury, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Why don't you just watch the video pulled off of Saudi TV, and judge for yourself the accuracy of the story?

      When you remove the egotastic talking heads from the equation, FOX news is really ONLY as ***** as other news organizations. Which isn't saying much...
  • loganhid, on 11/04/2007, -21/+25Please do not associate these guys views or Saui cultural with the Religion of Islam. Many people assume certain negative things about Islam when in reality Islam says quite the opposite.

    For example both the Quran and Hadith (Saying's of the Prophet Muhammed - peace be upon Him) mention the following

    "...and treat them (woman) kindly..." Holy Qur'an (4:19)


    "And of His signs is this. He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy..." Holy Qur'an (30:21)

    The Messenger (s.a.w.) said: "Verily the best of you is the best to his women; and I am the best of you to my women."
    • seinfeldking, on 11/04/2007, -11/+5http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-b ...
      • cbuddha42, on 11/04/2007, -5/+5It clearly says be nice to your women and beat them only as a last resort. The bible would agree.
        • cranium, on 11/04/2007, -4/+3I know the bible advocates rape and murder of women, but I don't remember the part about beating them.
    • airiox, on 11/04/2007, -8/+2Really?

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6529590996 ...
    • poidh, on 11/04/2007, -3/+10Not all infidels are stupid you know. Some of us have heard of abrogation and therefore know that you are lying.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Poidh: Yeah, loganhid is lying. Of course, I'm assuming you checked into the text he quoted from the Quran & Hadith.
        Here's an idea: go confirm what loganhid just wrote and THEN have a concise opinion. What loganhid is saying IS in the Quran & Hadith. You don't want to believe it? Then don't. Your loss.
    • knuckles, on 11/04/2007, -2/+8In the ~7 years since 9/11 I've only heard 1 muslim woman denounce the taliban and the muslim extremist movement. To my knowledge, there have been no marches on any embassies or any sort of protests by muslims ANYWHERE in my city denouncing the acts of 9/11 or standing up for women's rights.

      I doubt I'll enjoy these sights in my lifetime, so unfortunately Muslims are all suspect and untrustworthy for my part - no matter how much you profess on silly forums and digg comments. Let me see these protests AGAINST jihads in the streets and then I'll reconsider my assessments. Maybe.
      • Daiken, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1You actually think a protest against 9/11 is going to solve anything? You can't protest something that already took place. Most mainstream Muslims do denounce terrorism and have done so. I myself have heard countless Muslims denounce 9/11. But you also have to realize you can't always judge a group based on the actions of a few.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Knuckles: The Iraqi's also do not see any marches by the US people against the war [because they don't show it on TV there]. So the Iraqi's also assume that YOU & I, the Americans, want the war. Have you ever tried talking to a Muslim about his opinion on 9/11? Uh...I doubt it. Your "honest" sources are, I'm assuming, Fox News, CNN, etc.

        I'm an American Muslim. And I denounce what happened on 9/11. All my friends know my opinion on this matter. Because they asked me.
    • HonestAbe, on 11/05/2007, -2/+2Who are "these guys" then?
    • HonestAbe, on 11/05/2007, -4/+1Who are "these guys" then?
    • sonnybobiche, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2After enough incidents of this sort, it doesn't really matter what you say about "Islam in general." Muslims come off as a violent, irrational people.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Sonny: The news in the US only show the parts of Islam that have violence. I won't say anything about Islam to you. Go read it for yourself from a trustworthy website and THEN formulate an opinion.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Sonny: You know what, on second hand. Please don't read about Islam. I'm worried it might be too much for you to handle. No offense.
    • Scruffy4u, on 11/04/2007, -0/+0Anyyone who wants to cut off your head for being a different religion is ahhhh.... a little extreme, don't you think?
  • seinfeldking, on 11/05/2007, -13/+34An 18-year-old Christian woman raped and forced to convert to Islam
    http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=10699&si ...
    • MacGeekGuy, on 11/04/2007, -12/+14As opposed to the crusades wherein countless thousands of people were forcibly, brutally, savagely converted to Christianity? Check your history books and then look us non-christians in the eye when you try to elicit sympathy (other than the personal sympathy for one human being who was treated unfairly).
      • Waterrat, on 11/04/2007, -6/+3 So true..And many more killed....And don't forget the witch drowning, burnings and torture.
      • JorgeGT, on 11/04/2007, -4/+12crusades: hundreds of years ago
        that news: 11/02/2007

        HOW CAN YOU COMPARE??
        /Atheist here.
      • HonestAbe, on 11/04/2007, -5/+3And those horrible religious Stalinists!

        The problem is not religion. The problem is ignorance.
      • MrSteamTank, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3I'm sorry I don't refer to myself as christian other than by ancestry. Apparantly anybody that comes from Europe, is caucasian, and has people that preach or have preached Christianity in the past is guilty of all the crimes from their forefathers anywhere from 50-2000 years in the past.
        • Pikachelsea, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2You do realize that Christianity is a religion that is voluntarily chosen and not a race that you are born into?
      • unorginalityftw, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2I'm atheist, in this case however, PLEASE STOP ***** BRINGING UP THE CRUSADES. They ended! Christianity evolved, they moved beyond that. Them? ***** no. Not ONLY we're they like this back then, they still are NOW. That's the defining difference.
      • artemus, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2I'm sorry, but some of you idiots do not know why the Crusades were started in the first place. They were DEFENSIVE WARS! They were started up to liberate Christian holy sites from Muslim invaders (Muslims had attacked Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land, and ransacked places of worship). Do a little research instead of just parroting popular folktales.
        • xNIBx, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Constantinople was attacked 3 times(once during the First Crusade, twice during the Fourth Crusade) by crusaders and in fact, it was sacked on 1 of those attacks. Constantinople was the capital of the Byzantin Empire(aka Eastern Roman Empire), which was christian. Learn some history or stfu. Defensive wars my ass.
    • Daiken, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3Wow, this is like the 50th anti Muslim post I've read from seinfeldking. Sorry dude but you're clearly just trying to spread hate. I'm blocking you.
      • Pikachelsea, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1How is posting a factual news story spreading hate? Sounds more like spreading reality to me, but feel free to sit in the corner with your fingers in your ears and pretend those things don't represent mainstream Islamic thought.
    • brad3378, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I have a serious problem with women being forced to convert to another religion.
    • mrurc, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2But according to Sharia law, any one who rapes or gets raped is stoned to death. So they raped her in order to convince her to convert to a religion that would then stone her to death?

      Religion has nothing to do with rape. This was only about control. The religious aspect was merely a crutch IF it was reported correctly, which seems questionable.
  • seinfeldking, on 11/04/2007, -13/+21Oh, and for those thinking that this is BS, check:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-b ...
    • Anonymouz, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1That site is anti-Islam just look at some of the stuff of the homepage there's not even a hint of neutrality.
    • nskinn, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Myths of Islam:

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-I ...


      The following are all myths that are exposed in the link above:

      Islam Means 'Peace'

      Islam respects Women as Equals

      Jihad Means 'Inner Struggle'

      Islam is a Religion of Peace

      Islam is Tolerant of Other Religions

      Islam Facilitated a 'Golden Age' of Scientific Discovery

      Islam is Opposed to Slavery

      Islam is Incompatible with Terrorism

      Islam is a Democracy
  • TrogdorSmash24, on 11/04/2007, -19/+14Saudi men know how to keep there bitch in line, no Saudi woman will be bitching about cooking a meal for the man who works 10 hours a day.
  • nycmac247, on 11/05/2007, -15/+52I normally like posting quotes from "Bible Myths and their Parallels in Other Religions," but today is Islam Day!!! Wheeeee!

    The Qur'an:
    Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

    From the Hadith:

    Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

    Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

    Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said : Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

    Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

    Ishaq 969 - Commands that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related.

    • rlh1, on 11/04/2007, -2/+10Why are you getting dugg down?
      Several examples of direct quotes from Islamic scriptures isn't enough?
      I guess because you didn't include any bible bashing in it.....
      • nycmac247, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1I tried! Read the first sentence!!
    • source1984, on 11/04/2007, -10/+5He's getting dug down becaue he's taking things OUT OF CONTEXT and MISQUOTING (i mean straight up changing quotes word by word). Go here to see the real hadith 72:715, http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsun ...

      i really dont have time to refute each one. go to www.whyislam.org to learn about true islam from the islamic source itself, not some random out of context quotes and some which are direct MISQUOTATIONS.
    • Anonymouz, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2So i decided to look these Hadiths up to verify what nycmac247 was quoting and his quotes don't match the real ones(well the English translations of the original Hadiths at least):
      Bukhari (72:715) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsun ...

      Narrated 'Ikrima: Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"

      • nycmac247, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3VIRGINS (HOURIS)

        Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

        Koran 78:31
        As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

        Koran 37:40-48
        ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

        Koran 44:51-55
        ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

        Koran 52:17-20
        ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

        Koran 55:56-57
        In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

        Koran 55:57-58
        Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

        Koran 56:7-40
        ...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

        Koran 55:70-77
        "In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

        In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

        Quote from Hadiths

        Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
        Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

    • nycmac247, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1This nycmac247 guy is a real *****! Obviously he is not an Islamic Scholar!!!

      http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm
    • nskinn, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2The English translations of the Quran and the Arabic version of the Quran are very different. Most English translations deliberately alter the text to make it seem more palatable to Western sensitivities.

      For example, instead of the more accurate instruction in Sura 4:34 that husbands should "beat" their wives and slave girls (when they are suspected of disobedience), Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation renders the passage "beat them [lightly]". The unwarranted addition of the word "lightly" is the translator's attempt to soften the impact of this horribly barbaric verse. (Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation is approved by the government of Saudi Arabia.)

      For those who feel they have some reason to read the Qur'an, here are a couple of more accurate translations:

      1) M.A.S. Abdel Haleem (Oxford University Press)

      http://www.amazon.com/Quran-Oxford-Worlds-Classics ...

      2) N.J. Dawood (Penguin Classics)

      http://www.amazon.com/Koran-Penguin-Classics/dp/01 ...

    • Scruffy4u, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Why not post up what it sez about cutting off someones head for having a different religion? I misplaced the direct quote.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Thanks for reminding me of the head cutting part in Islam. I, as a Muslim, need to look that up for myself. Thanks Scruffy.
  • chris9902, on 11/05/2007, -6/+32We invited these people to our country (UK) with open arms last week. Makes me ***** sick.
  • MattInChicago, on 11/07/2007, -9/+41Islam is a peaceful religion! For all the old Bible passages can you imagine the Pope, Dali Lama, etc., saying something like this? Muslim apologists can dig me down...I don't care. You're religion speaks for itself.
    • lostarchitect, on 11/05/2007, -12/+4religion and culture are not the same thing.
      • nycmac247, on 11/05/2007, -2/+18They are in a Theocracy
        • lostarchitect, on 11/04/2007, -10/+2no, they're not. that's like saying "people living under communism don't believe in god". those in charge of the theocracy would like it to be that way, but in fact it isn't.
      • Crusader1145, on 11/05/2007, -3/+13They are in Islam. Religion, culture and politics are all tightly bound together with the binding being the Koran. There is simply no way that religion can be separated from culture and/or politics as it has become in the West. The concept doesn't exist in Muslim societies.
        • unorginalityftw, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Hell, even in the West it's not all that separated.
        • lostarchitect, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Clearly, you have not read the Koran and have never been to a muslim country. Again, those in charge of an orthodox Muslim society would like what you have said to be true, but it just is not. It's much more complex than that. For some, what you have said is 100% true. For others, maybe 70%. For others, 20%. If you're thinking of a particular small sect or village, maybe you're right. But countrywide? No way.
      • thomasX, on 11/03/2007, -2/+5Religion makes a culture.
  • Treshnell, on 11/05/2007, -2/+22"He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child"

    So beating a child like an animal is okay!
  • EnsErmac, on 11/04/2007, -5/+13As a person who would never beat a woman, I still see a light with this article. How many Saudi women were beaten within an inch of their life? This seems like a baby steps kind of thing. Not saying its right, but change is lot harder in the mid-east then in most Western cultures.
    • mrurc, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2Exactly. As a woman, I object to a lot of what was said but it was clearly said to discourage behavior that is far worse, causing physical damage to the woman, and even then is only acceptable after you have admonished her ten times and shamed her as well. It is certainly abhorrent by our stated standards, even if we fail to prosecute abusive spouses in our country, but you can get divorced with less admonishments in that religion.

      I also highly object to the part about not slapping them left and right, like you would do to a child. You shouldn't do that to a child either. Of course, before that he said you shouldn't hit animals in the face at all and thus means that you shouldn't hit children in the face, but still, that is a bit extreme to do to a child.
  • sub1, on 11/05/2007, -9/+24Islam is all about peace*

    (*peace can only be achieved by the sword)
    • omaryak, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7"The United States, with other countries, will work to advance liberty and peace in that region ... We will ... carry on the work of peace ..."
      - President Bush, March 17 and March 19, 2003
  • lostarchitect, on 11/04/2007, -8/+9yeah, i'm shocked. OMG! YOU MEANZ THEY BEAT WIVES IN SAUDI ARABIA!?!? WESTERN CIVILIZATION FTW!!!
  • chicofaraby, on 11/04/2007, -25/+15Holy Cats! There is a culture that's different than ours! Quick, everyone hate them!
    • nedders, on 11/04/2007, -1/+8if my culture says that it's ok to rape children, does that make it right? perhaps we were too hard on the nazis then. after all, that whole holocaust thing was just a cultural difference.
    • d686, on 11/05/2007, -2/+9great logic, genius. may you be reborn as a woman, camel, or donkey in saudi arabia to fully appreciate how different cultures are to be celebrated.
    • synchestric, on 11/05/2007, -0/+11Human rights are universal. They transcend cultures.

      You reminded me of reading some scientific article from the 18th century: "The Black is a remarkable animal, capable of language, tool usage and home building in many ways comparable to those of humans."
    • chrissandvick, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4So wife beating is ok when it's a different culture eh? Just when I think you can't be any more of a POS chico...
  • nycmac247, on 11/04/2007, -15/+8I think we are all confused here ... he was talking about BEATING OFF

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bea ...
  • sarcasm, on 11/05/2007, -6/+17Damn I've been doing it all wrong...
  • ddcool1124, on 11/05/2007, -11/+16I am a Muslim and people like these make me sick. Islam requires kindness to women, children, AND animals.
    • d686, on 11/05/2007, -6/+7you need your religion to tell you to be kind to women, children, and animals?
      • ddcool1124, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4It is common sense. Unfortunatly not everyone has common sense these days...
      • spacecoyote1966, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5Common sense and fundamentalism are mutually exclusive.
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Yes, we need God to tell us to be kind to our women, children & animals. This is because Islam is a complete way of life. Go read about Islam at www.whyislam.org.
        And I honestly do not care what your opinion about Islam is. No offense, nothing personal. Peace.
    • ubergeek09, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3It is recorded in the Koran that Mohammad had raped several Jewish women, is that respect for women?
      • louisvuittondon, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Ubergeek: Oh my god! I'm a Muslim and I didn't know about this! This is crazy.
        Can you please point me to where it says that Mohammad raped Jewish women (please include sources). Thank you.
  • ramo13, on 11/04/2007, -12/+8im saudi originally, listen now, if you are in america, and you can vote, you can stop this!
    naom chomsky said that there are two powers in the world, america and public opinion, even more powerful is americans public opinion, not only the president should be changed, the ones that really control america should be changed, the real problem are the f***en royal family, those retards are the sickest humans alive, America's deal with ksa, is keep the oil flowing at low prices as you can, and we make sure you stay in power.

    unless those responsible go, that abuse will stay, im tired of repeated this, but islam is actually good, or there wont be more than 1.5 billion muslims, but those imbeciles just went too far,
    but no one in saudi arabia can changed it, because once they speak up their terrorists and they are shipped to guantanamo or tortured or whatever cheney think is best for the national and international interest.
    oh, and that translation is plain wrong, there are many translation of the quran, and many just arent rghite, since people who translate are not native speakers, even afghans dont speak arabic, and one time woolfgang von goethe translated a quran that was translate from arabic to turkish into german, guess what ? he actually translated it into poetry, and it wide spreaded in germany. some translations even put some shakespearean touches to the work.
    spread the message
    • xsspider, on 11/04/2007, -2/+6ugh ! it was painful to read. I think i felt a few brain cells die ...
      • genepooldesign, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2Okay...rewrite it, but not in your native language. Write it in his. Then you can get bashed for writing badly in a language that you don't know as well as if you spoke and wrote it from birth.
        Stop being such an ass.
      • nycmac247, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1wow - how many languages do you speak fluently?
    • BigKoala, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Rather grow, not die.
    • nycmac247, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1"but islam is actually good, or there wont be more than 1.5 billion muslims"
      Islam saved Europe from the Dark Ages; now its our turn to save you --- but through a second Enlightenment and not through Christian / Jewish *****.
  • tcpip4lyfe, on 11/04/2007, -18/+15Buried as fox news.
    • JorgeGT, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Ad hominem fallacy?
    • Waterrat, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2 it's easier to attach and kill other humans if you can dehumanize them,which is what this is really about.
      Men who beat women also are dehumanizing them.
  • umdmatto, on 11/04/2007, -9/+5I'd hit it........hum....that might be in bad taste....
  • mokayogi, on 11/03/2007, -15/+9Anybody else care that this is on FOX News?
    • pintomp3, on 11/04/2007, -13/+3islamophobes don't care what the source is.
    • spacecoyote1966, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Fox News is just the Rawstory of the right. Any article from either of those sites needs to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.
  • Hizzeh12, on 11/04/2007, -11/+1Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:

    Narrated 'Ikrima:

    Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"

    Don't post information from religionofpeace.com. That website is the biggest pile of lies I've ever seen.
    • Hizzeh12, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Why am I being dugged down? Because I'm advocating people to avoid lies and deception at religionofpeace.com? That's the Fox News of religion.
    • Hizzeh12, on 11/05/2007, -3/+0Why am I being dugged down? Because I'm advocating people to avoid lies and deception at religionofpeace.com? That's the Fox News of religion.
  • zackz, on 11/04/2007, -3/+6Why read when you can watch!

    http://www.charchaa.com/islamist_guide_to_beating_ ...
    • ByteThis, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Well, I'm glad we got this cleared up. A visual directory is great for the proper "how to". Now it is time for hands on experience.
    • blueeyedmonster, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2That is not the same video as the fox news article was talking about. The fox article HAS a video that already has clips of the show. And the advice is quite different.

      But, ya know, glad to know this sort of backwater advice isn't contained to one asshat.
  • xsspider, on 11/05/2007, -1/+19The beatings will continue till the morale improves.
    Funny .. thats what my boss says to me too
    • Waterrat, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5 But as long as there are beatings,the morale will NEVER improve!
  • gonzoblair, on 11/04/2007, -11/+19Stop linking to Fox News, it confuses a lot of the frothy people here. Here is a direct link to the clip:
    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1594.htm
  • Garbagio, on 11/04/2007, -3/+9Everyone has the ability to live life to their fullest in the influence to those around them. If strength, compassion, and wisdom aren't balanced, you're to become a tyrant, a victim, or a fool.
    • Biskino, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Don't understand this this, "Everyone has the ability to live life to their fullest in the influence to those around them."

      Logged in to digg this, "If strength, compassion, and wisdom aren't balanced, you're to become a tyrant, a victim, or a fool."
    • Garbagio, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1in other words, you can self-impose happiness, anger, and grief. Try it right now. Smile and tell yourself that you're happy. Get angry by telling yourself you're upset, and repeat "I am upset and angry" with a violent inner voice. You will feel tension, I promise. Understand that you create your surroundings and they react to you. If you believe yourself a victim of circumstance, you will become a victim without hope until an outside force compels you to change. If you meet that circumstance with a 'primal' reaction; Though your reaction will be swift, you may be blinded if your instincts aren't correct. These are examples to help you understand what I was saying about living life. The wording was confusing.
  • rdas7, on 11/04/2007, -2/+27It does make it somewhat hard to make the argument of being a civilized culture when you have clerics dispensing advice on television such as "If she doesn't listen to you, then you may beat her."
    • dlsspy, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3Yeah, our clerics just say, ``Bring me your children, we're not allowed to have sex with women.''
    • killermatt, on 11/04/2007, -4/+1Maybe you should watch the video instead of getting brainwashed by Faux News
  • kreatre2007, on 11/06/2007, -2/+6Behold! The REAL face of Islam -- "The relgion of peace".
  • Erythroxylum, on 11/04/2007, -5/+9Saudi Arabia is the route of all evil. In more ways than one.

    The Qur'an:
    Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."



    From the Hadith:
    Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from