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Saakashvili: Surrender All Airports and Ports to the U.S.
reuters.com — "Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions. This is a very important statement for easing tension."
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- GlobalistShill, on 08/13/2008, -11/+127Georgia, welcome to the empire!
- stretch611, on 08/13/2008, -3/+28But we can't; we already have a state named Georgia.
(Sorry about the humor on a serious topic, but I could not resist.)- LittleDas, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5Rename them to Georgia 2. Problem Solved.
- prophetpimp, on 08/14/2008, -0/+11Georgia 2.0 (Might need a 2.0.1 patch if Russia decides to do some more kick assing.)
- vbullinger, on 08/17/2008, -0/+1We can rename the current Georgia to "Georgia: Redneck Edition."
- richmomz, on 08/13/2008, -2/+32Why settle for one Georgia when you can have two?
- CoolHandLuke70, on 08/14/2008, -1/+13Georgias on my mind!
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -1/+8This can be the state of "Outer Georgia."
- senatorpjt, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Wouldn't it be "New Georgia" according to how names usually work?
It would be especially funny since the country is a lot older than the state. - ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1East and West Georgia? Except West Georgia is larger than East Georgia, so maybe Georgia and Georgia, Jr?
- Sicarius, on 08/14/2008, -4/+8Hello, is that you Russia?
- browntiger, on 08/14/2008, -9/+4Five more month of Bush (or should I say shadow president Cheney).
How many new wars we going to see until he leaves office.- ParanoydAndroid, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7Bush is an idiot, but in all fairness he neither started this war, nor are we participating in it. There aren't Georgian guerrilla groups trying to kill us, we're jsut providing humanitarian aid; and there's absolutely no way Russia is dumb enough to kill American troops, so we're pretty safe.
- alaskanassassin, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5I'm not a fan of bush, but I doubt browntiger knows anything about why he dislikes bush other than what lefties on digg and jon stewart tells him. to be fair I was a clueless ***** when 911 happened and I was on the war wagon just like 80+% of the country. I have learned a lot in the last 8 years, but the collective 'hive mind' on digg is just a continuation of the stupidity, just they want to be with the other party. which is the reasons I hate partisans and the two (one) party system.
but hey, vote for the other party and ignore history. its just the republicans passing the baton to the democrats to ***** us over. one day I hope that the majority of people will wake up before we have to kill ourselves in a needless civil war propagated by the elite. - MxM111, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Oh! You think you will be better with McCain (if he wins)? He is even more pro-strong-foreign-politics, and he is also specifically anti-Russian. Just listen his speeches today. He is dissatisfied that Bush does so little.
- Phearce, on 08/14/2008, -1/+13Be nice to America, or else we'll bring democracy to your country.
:^)- salamnder, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3Actually, to the Georgians, the US is their biggest Ally. They brought democracy to their own country, which is why the US is getting tangled up in this.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Bring democracy... with extreme prejudice.
- BoonEx, on 08/14/2008, -9/+8I'm not American, but I feel sorry for a great country with so many wonderful people. Guys... you HAVE to do something about your retarded president.
WW is highly unlikely. Russia wouldn't do it. But YOU are paying money for these efforts right now.- warsongs7, on 08/14/2008, -7/+3Since America is a Republican democracy they voted for their ass of a president and are indirectly responsible for their current state.. Furthermore, a vast number of Americans still support Bush and McCain, just because they are not as prolific on the net as Obama supporters doesn't mean that they won't turn up on election day to vote for the puppet masters. Speaking of puppet masters, Obama bringing a massive change in the political and social infrastructure of America is highly unlikely with the knowledge that a significant proportion of his running for office campaign being funded by the very same corporations he has made promises to harm financially.
P.S If you read all of my rants then I sincerely thank you. - TehDoctor, on 08/14/2008, -3/+7Actually, warsongs, American's don't get much say in who our president is. Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election by 500,000 votes. We have a corrupt system involving the Electoral College and the lifetime-appointed Supreme Court. Americans have been duped into believing in the two-party system, which is in effect just one big party that gives people the illusion of choice. The media doesn't give third parties any attention, so all people see are the Democrats and Republicans, neither of whom live up to their name, and then have little choice but to form their opinions based on that. Most people don't have time to do anything other than watch an hour of news, so all they see is Rep vs. Dem. It's sad, and the people are in some ways culpable, but you've got to understand that there's little we can actually do in this country.
- mxmj, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
- SirFoxx, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2@ TehDoctor
Without the Electoral College the states with the largest populations would control and dominate the political landscape in the USA. It's (the EC) there to make all states have an equal say in who will run this country. - feliks2, on 08/14/2008, -2/+1@ SirFoxx As they should, since they have more people and everyone should have an equal say. The interests of the people are more important than the interests of the states.
- kuzotz, on 08/15/2008, -0/+1@feliks2
it isn't that easy. The US is huge and it is extremely diverse. What's a problem in California is not a problem in Texas, and may or may not be a problem in NY. Point is the Electorial College was there so that mob rule wouldn't ensure. In short it's an insurance policy that we don't elect an idiot. But what happened was someone found a loophole, and with connections exploited it.
Also new states can be added, but it has to be under the support of the people in that territory through a vote. This is why Puerto Rico always has a vote on it.
- warsongs7, on 08/14/2008, -7/+3Since America is a Republican democracy they voted for their ass of a president and are indirectly responsible for their current state.. Furthermore, a vast number of Americans still support Bush and McCain, just because they are not as prolific on the net as Obama supporters doesn't mean that they won't turn up on election day to vote for the puppet masters. Speaking of puppet masters, Obama bringing a massive change in the political and social infrastructure of America is highly unlikely with the knowledge that a significant proportion of his running for office campaign being funded by the very same corporations he has made promises to harm financially.
- thegrantman, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5Welcome to the jungle.
- BeefBaron, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Saakashvili could have made it more truthful simply by doing the finger-quote action while saying "humanitarian".
- kyyled, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1all your base are belong...eh, nevermind
- maekol, on 08/16/2008, -0/+1The best video analysis of the conflict so far: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Who_s_to_blame_f ...
- stretch611, on 08/13/2008, -3/+28But we can't; we already have a state named Georgia.
- jodimcmullen, on 08/13/2008, -8/+60other missions, like Iran.
- Bkaufman, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2Or for humanitarian missions.
- Kral, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5Like after Iran.
- Bkaufman, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3Ok...so if in two weeks the soldiers are being used for humanitarian missions and we haven't invaded Iran will you apologize?
- Sarevok9, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1The question is, who's lying?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKWBT009558 ...
- Bkaufman, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2Or for humanitarian missions.
- richmomz, on 08/13/2008, -8/+109I've got a very bad feeling about this...
- cruzlee, on 08/14/2008, -2/+13That's because it's not what it seems. To my knowledge this is what happened:
First he signed a cease fire (years ago) for the region.
Then he tries to occupy the region with blitzkrieg style, using US trained troops.
Then he sees it is a failure, because Russia hits back hard.
Then he tries to get the USA to help him out of this situation.- waydee, on 08/14/2008, -4/+9Be careful who you listen to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/13/georgi ... - Petrie, on 08/14/2008, -3/+4I have no doubt that Russia is exaggerating deaths and maybe breaking a few rules with possible looting, but did we not do the same with Iraq after 9/11? "They 'definately' have WMDs and will ruin the American way of life if we don't interfere right now."
"Also, don't ask about abu ghraib."
Georgia was the aggressor and, despite treaties, legislation, and even a promise from Putin for military retaliation, they moved troops into the INDEPENDANT region of South Ossetia.
I have the utmost sympathy for the people in the region, but not for the government of Georgia. - KnightWhoSaysNi, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6As usual, both governments are lying.
Governments always lie.
Georgia was the aggressor but now they want to look like the victim.
Now Russia is taking advantage of the opportunity to grab more territory and destroy their rival.
- waydee, on 08/14/2008, -4/+9Be careful who you listen to.
- schneid4323, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4They can shove their post 9/11 post cold war foreign policy. The 2008 Cold War makes that all look ***** awful. God dammit.
- DifferentAngle, on 08/14/2008, -0/+0prepare for unforeseen consequences?
- nodong, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6>Would you like to play a game?
- redbu11, on 08/14/2008, -0/+0No reason for feeling bad about it because it isnt true ;)
Saakashvili overreacted:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ ...
"Saakashvili interpreted the aid operation as a decision to defend Georgia's ports and airports, though Bush administration and Pentagon officials quickly made it clear that would not be the case."
- cruzlee, on 08/14/2008, -2/+13That's because it's not what it seems. To my knowledge this is what happened:
- sirjoebob, on 08/13/2008, -10/+78finally, I have been waiting for WW3...
- BoonSaibot, on 08/14/2008, -6/+0who else is getting tired of this modern warfare? roll out cod6 already!!
- abdulkha, on 08/14/2008, -1/+0move along, nothing to watch here
- schneid4323, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5I need a vacation from this stupid *****, seriously we get like 2-4 years off at a time, and then 40 on, sigh :(
- Mindzai, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1"I need a vacation from this stupid *****..."
Or perhaps even an Aenima.
- Mindzai, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1"I need a vacation from this stupid *****..."
- Meocross, on 08/14/2008, -6/+0The scary thing is i just dreamt about a massive war, missiles flying everywhere, rogues attempting to bomb our doorstep and me wondering why the fhk this war reached all the way to my country.
- Waffle07, on 08/14/2008, -2/+1I'd enlist to fight some commies. =)
- jaymzdean, on 08/13/2008, -10/+65"Everyone must surrender everything to ME!"
~Corporatism - MarkusGarvey, on 08/13/2008, -5/+75that's what McCain meant when he said "We are all Georgians"...this whole debacle has been one stupid move after another...trademark of the good ol Bush administration...sigh...
- flogistan, on 08/14/2008, -3/+5As long as you admit that every stupid move was planned well in advance.
- thescimitar, on 08/14/2008, -4/+3I vacillate between thinking that the Bush administration is comprised of evil geniuses and thinking that its comprised of rejects from the free market who can't get work in outside of the government.
- LenBaird, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3It is only stupid if you are operating under the (false) belief that they do ANYTHING for the best interest of the people they "serve."
- Catspaw, on 08/13/2008, -10/+68It's the end goal that is most worrying. The crazies goal, according to Brzezinski, is to have nation states incorporated into a new world order, controlled solely by economic interests as dictated by banks, corporations and ruling elites concerned with the maintenance (by manipulation and war) of their power. Bye bye "democracy", hello tyranny. Refer: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.htm ...
- Cuchanu, on 08/13/2008, -13/+1Sounds good to me.
- FrankHope, on 08/14/2008, -1/+29I was just reading this article yesterday because of everything happening in Georgia. Brzezinski is a close adviser to Obama. It's strange that he doesn't get along with the Neocons because he seems to have the same strategy as they do. Perhaps the only difference is that he is not as Israel-centric as they are. However with regards to a strategy of dominating Central Asia for Oil, they are identical.
They sell this strategy to the "little people" by saying it is for the good of the country, but I have come to the conclusion that it is only for the good of the Oil companies. I'm sure we could obtain Oil on the free market without having to occupy countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. After all, aren't the so-called "conservatives" always telling us how great the free markets are? So why do we have to create an empire and colonize half the world for Oil? It hasn't lowered the price of gas one penny, in fact the opposite is true. So where's the benefit for the "little guy".- mcla007, on 08/14/2008, -1/+12"I'm sure we could obtain Oil on the free market without having to occupy countries like Iraq and Afghanistan....So why do we have to create an empire and colonize half the world for Oil?"
They are not much worried about whether YOU get to consume oil or not. They are more worried whether THEY get to sell you the oil. Did you really believe the elites of your country are starting wars, committing war-crimes, pushing the world to the brink of nuclear holocaust--all for the benefit of the "little guy"? Their whole business model is based on "screw the little guy". This not "free" market in any honest sense. The last thing the elites want is free markets (nevermind their rhetoric) because in a truly free market their power to bargain would be a lot lot less, and they would be a lot poorer. - Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -1/+10True.
Oil isn't just about oil though, and money is never just about money. Only power is a goal in and of itself.
The goal, according to Brzezinski, is to have power over the states of Eurasia. With the Soviet Union gone, it is predictable that a geopolitical rival will emerge on the Eurasian continent. That means Russia, China, Japan, Europe, India, or a combination of the above. All economies and militaries run on oil, so controlling the oil gives the US and its allies the ability to cripple or destroy any country that relies on imports.
It's a bold strategy.
Actually it's an insane strategy, because there's no way in hell the US will be able to hold off Russia, China AND India in a war. The logistics of maintaining control over the Middle East and Central Asia from half a world away against other more populous nations who border those regions boggles the mind. What could the US do to stop a fully-equipped 20 million-man army crossing from China into Afghanistan? We have what, 130,000 troops or so in Iraq?
And that's just China. What if the Chinese, Russians, Indians and Iranians put together a plan to drive the US out and divide Iraq and Saudi Arabia equally among themselves? - Notasheeple, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2I don't think Brzezinski really wants the backing of the neocons. The neocons have been effing everything up on all fronts for the last few years. The neocons have shown too many of their cards and revealed themselves too soon. Now, not only are we figuring it out, but other countries are as well. I think Brzezinski would prefer to have Obama as an ally for a couple of reasons.
1) At this point in time, Obama's sheeple are the majority of voters in the U.S. . This means that with a little sweet talk, Obama can persuade his supporters into more wars that he will deem "justifiable", even though he has been preaching no war for a while now. Because after all, he wants to "change" the world, and if those darn Russians need some changin', then Obama will supply it for the NWO and be much more effective at it than McCain would be.
2) If it came down to all out war, It would be much easier for Obama, rather then McCain, to persuade and convince the E.U. to help fight the Russians. With his pretty smile, sweet dance moves and convincing speeches, people will fall for the threat of "dirty communist terrorists" and fall in line. There is no way in hell, that people from other countries would follow McCain for anything. Including war.
Unfortunately, Obama is the best choice for the NWO to continue the march toward world govt. and I think Brzezinski is vying for a piece.
- mcla007, on 08/14/2008, -1/+12"I'm sure we could obtain Oil on the free market without having to occupy countries like Iraq and Afghanistan....So why do we have to create an empire and colonize half the world for Oil?"
- DuffyDirect, on 08/14/2008, -4/+3whats wrong with having humanity united?
- libervisco, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5Unity under coercive governments (and all are) brings uniformity which destroys diversity and therefore destroys freedom of each individual.
This is because in the name of a so called "common cause" you are asked or forced to give up your own uniqueness, and the right to be who you really want to be, regardless of whether it conforms to others or not.
That's why all these unions are an incredibly bad idea, all of them, from EU, South Amercian Union, North American Union, African Union and there's also an org I can't remember right now which could spur an Asian Union as well. It's easy to conclude where this could lead to: an union of unions: World Union = World Government. Very dangerous for freedom. - Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3United in spirit, or united under one government?
- Xyleene, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1"Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith"
- kuzotz, on 08/15/2008, -0/+1I'm all for World Government. I just don't want the fascist ***** shoved down our throats. It would be great if it was a form of democracy and allowed us to have our freedoms.
- libervisco, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5Unity under coercive governments (and all are) brings uniformity which destroys diversity and therefore destroys freedom of each individual.
- geoken, on 08/14/2008, -0/+10The people who want to do the uniting rarely have noble motives.
- DuffyDirect, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1come ye children gather one and all to my windowless passenger van...... i've.... got... candy...!!!!!
- 911ArtStudent, on 08/13/2008, -4/+41No thanks. We should give it back to Georgia.
- 7Mystery, on 08/13/2008, -13/+38This idiot is gonna cause us to joint the war, thus starting WWIII
scary!- alanr19, on 08/14/2008, -3/+6The scary part is that if WWIII starts it wont be confined to some obscure country far away like your usual wars, it'll come right to your doorstep.
I'm just glad its not my taxes thats paying for all this international interference. - schneid4323, on 08/14/2008, -2/+1The really scary part is Clinton's Foreign Policy would have lead to the same thing, and the cold war and such. All from the same people consolidation of powers has been long overdue. We dont deal with communism and we support democratic states, nothing either candidate or I can do about it. We have a lot bigger problems than we care to look at, Bush is a great figure to blame but he's already secure and he isnt pulling his own strings. Politicians are dirty people, DC is a scary place full of some crazy things and whacked people.
- cambob76, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3jointing the war would make it groovy. groooooovy.
- MxM111, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2It will be even worse if McCain comes to power...
- alanr19, on 08/14/2008, -3/+6The scary part is that if WWIII starts it wont be confined to some obscure country far away like your usual wars, it'll come right to your doorstep.
- gemlarin, on 08/13/2008, -8/+56You are now under US command. You will now enjoy a era of freedom, peace, and prosperity.
/sarcasm- ivandir, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Gemlarin are you an idiot? When weighting the two possible options:
1) Georgia is controlled by USA and we trade their resources like oil and natural gas.
2) Georgia is controlled by RUSSIA and we trade their resources like oil and natural gas from the RUSSIAN markets at the RUSSIAN price.
What would you choose?
If you still say #2 then assume Georgia is your wife. What would you choose now? - vbullinger, on 08/17/2008, -0/+1... or else.
- ivandir, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Gemlarin are you an idiot? When weighting the two possible options:
- GovernmentSp00k, on 08/13/2008, -7/+54Georgia has been assimilated. RIP
"humanitarian and other missions"
Uh oh. Not those "peacekeeping" missions again. We know what that really means.. - FrankHope, on 08/14/2008, -12/+77So maybe this answers the questions - Why Georgia? Why now? This would give the Bush/Cheney an excuse to set up a Navy base on the Caspian! The Caspian Sea is completely landlocked. Russia and Iran have ports on it, while the US Navy has no access. In the event of a war with Iran it would be easy for the Russians to ship arms and supplies to Iran via the Caspian. Except now if Georgia hands over its ports to the US Navy that would change the equation.
This would be a very provocative move and would be challenged by the Russians. Let's hope that Saakashvili is talking crap.- JagPop, on 08/14/2008, -2/+13Is Cheney this clever? Kudos to his brain, if so. Damn his soul.
- 2reflective, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1He's a genius. If you thought the war in Iraq was going bad, you never thought about it from his perspective. His extensive investments in oil companies and defense contractors (via family members, off-shore trusts, unregulated hedge funds etc) have risen many times over, all paid for on the US public credit card. Mission well and truly accomplished.
- Conspiracy20, on 08/14/2008, -3/+15Cheney' never around unless death is involved somehow. Then he crawls out from under his oil drums. Meanwhile the people of the US are watching the mindless games unaware...... Are we not entertained?
- FrankHope, on 08/14/2008, -2/+3I think Cheney is secretly a Vampire. That would explain why he likes to suck blood so much. And why he hides out in a bunker all the time. He does have a nasty Vampire snear.
BELA LUGOSI-CHENEY: "I want to suck your blood!"
- FrankHope, on 08/14/2008, -2/+3I think Cheney is secretly a Vampire. That would explain why he likes to suck blood so much. And why he hides out in a bunker all the time. He does have a nasty Vampire snear.
- FrankHope, on 08/14/2008, -1/+17My mistake! Georgia has a coast on the Black Sea not the Caspian. Sorry, I have the Caspian on my mind lately because Russia and Iran border it, and because of the Gas and Oil reserves there.
- winmywii, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caspianseamap.p ...
- neil095, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3Saakashvili is always talking crap.
- redbu11, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Precisely.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ ...
"Saakashvili interpreted the aid operation as a decision to defend Georgia's ports and airports, though Bush administration and Pentagon officials quickly made it clear that would not be the case."
- redbu11, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Precisely.
- DuffyDirect, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1dude we don't even have a naval presence in the black sea... you think 12 carriers can guard persia, korea, venezuala, black sea, mediterranean, the pirate coast of somalia + madagascar, etc.!?!?!? geeze louise
- tkozma, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2Georgia has ports on Caspian Sea? Hmm...
It's Russia, Azerbajan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Iran only, last time I checked. - LordFate, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Pentagon says no plans to control Georgia ports
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKWBT009558 ... - Trigonometron, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1How you gonna get a giant boat into a landlocked sea? You'd have to construct it there, creating an obvious target for them to blow up.
- DreKor, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1How about that nifty missile defense shield? Poland says we get to build one there. http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLE126 ...
- MxM111, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1>So maybe this answers the questions - Why Georgia?
Election year. We need another enemy to unite around McCain - the "strong" candidate on foreign policy - AReallyGoodName, on 08/15/2008, -0/+1The Black Sea which Georgia is actually connected to isn't landlocked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29
- JagPop, on 08/14/2008, -2/+13Is Cheney this clever? Kudos to his brain, if so. Damn his soul.
- Bagos1, on 08/14/2008, -2/+14Georgia.....The new proving grounds for weapons.
- observed45, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Why would they bother shipping untested weapons when they have all those "free speech" zones locally to test things on?
- ThinkOutTheBox, on 08/14/2008, -4/+18As strange as it may seem I'm not worried about a New World Order. History has proven it self time and time again that nobody has been able to successfully take over the world. Every time it has been attempted the perpetrating Empire has crashed and burned.
- V3n0M, on 08/14/2008, -2/+19Yeah, but you do realize we're the perpetrating Empire don't you?
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -3/+5I don't know about you, but I personally don't control jack *****.
- V3n0M, on 08/14/2008, -0/+9You don't have to be the Captain of the Titanic to get boned when we hit the iceberg.
- Erich100, on 08/14/2008, -0/+19Maybe history has shown that all empires fail, but how many lives and how much unnecessary misery is delivered to the masses in the process?
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6Yes, but it also gives honorable people like yourself a chance to fight like a man and die like a hero. Did you ever expect to have such an opportunity?
- CoolHandLuke70, on 08/14/2008, -1/+8Oh, you mean we can relax because it is not going to happen since it has not happened in the past? That is not very smart.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -1/+18Same here. The so-called NWO is a triple misnomer. It is neither new, nor orderly, nor does it encompass the whole world--not even close. The NWO is the G8 and its satellites, nothing more.
Just like the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor really an empire.
Does it exist? Yes.
Is it powerful? Boy howdy.
Does it want to take over the planet? Damn straight.
Will it succeed? No.
If you believe the NWO is real (and it is) then we need to compare it to other things that we know are real, both in the present and in history.
The most important thing to remember is that it is run by men, and they are just as prone to corruption and self-delusion and overconfidence as anyone else.
Also, men do NOT control physical reality. Never have, never will. There are natural forces always at work which are more powerful than the US, more powerful than the global economy, and sure as ***** more powerful than a bunch of privileged bankers and their cronies, no matter how much money and weaponry they control.
The problem with tyrants and the reason they always fail is they overestimate the extent of their own power and believe they can shape reality by the sheer force of their own will. They also invariably believe that they are immune to the forces of nature and history because they believe their model for world domination is somehow different from those of tyrants who have gone before.
I have news for them. Cell phones and computers and even nuclear weapons don't make a damn bit of difference. They're only details. Underneath them is the same dumb idea which will fail for the same reason it has always failed.
And that is that people by nature want to be free. They love freedom more than they want security, they love freedom more than they want luxury, and they love freedom more than they love life. Irrational perhaps, but we are not fundamentally rational beings.
...Which isn't to say it can't ***** a lot of people's ***** up before its finally destroyed. However I too love freedom more than life, and I will relish every moment I spend fighting it.- mcla007, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7Hangly, you are scintillating :)
- Vesper73, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Well done! ....Although I must confess, it is proving quite difficult to take you seriously with a name such as, 'Hangly'.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Eh. Too late to change my name now...
- senatorpjt, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Well, they keep getting closer. A lot of the problems that previous empires have had that made them difficult to manage as they grew are being solved by technology.
1) Communications are now instantaneous.
2) The difference in weaponry between civilians and military has never been even CLOSE to what it is now.- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2I don't know. The difference in power between a mounted knight and peasants wielding wooden scissors was pretty substantial. And RPG's are pretty good equalizers.
Unless you're talking about nukes. And while I think our government is pretty evil and ***** up, I don't think they're quite evil enough to nuke their own cities.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2I don't know. The difference in power between a mounted knight and peasants wielding wooden scissors was pretty substantial. And RPG's are pretty good equalizers.
- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1All empires fail...often after only 20 years...occasionally after 400....
I think we can safely assume that anyone who takes over the world won't have more than a 300-year run of tyranny, so we've got that going for us.- Archos, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1The rise and fall of every civilization in history followed this pattern in ~200 years:
Spritual faith - Great courage - Liberty - Abundance
Selfishness - Apathy - Complacency - Dependency
Bondage
Americans are now moving to the last phase (bondage). Obama is masquerading as some kind of a messiah, but he'll not only bring in complacency, his masters (e.g. Brzezinski) will bring the country into bondage - if the current administration is not going to do it. The question is: how WILL spiritual faith spread in an Orwellian WORLD state? If people won't be able to find common faith (because of the universal terrorist laws and surveillance grid) to courageously overthrow the Big Brother empire, liberty is far away...
That's why we MUST ACT NOW. RIGHT NOW. ON THIS MOMENT.
Make the people in the world aware of what's going on and form masterminds to execute solutions.
- Archos, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1The rise and fall of every civilization in history followed this pattern in ~200 years:
- V3n0M, on 08/14/2008, -2/+19Yeah, but you do realize we're the perpetrating Empire don't you?
- Erich100, on 08/14/2008, -0/+28Exactly how does this statement, ease tensions?
- V3n0M, on 08/14/2008, -1/+14It's had the exact opposite affect where I'm sitting!
- iancgi, on 08/14/2008, -3/+19Fight with tools. We have them at our finger tips. Dont hate the media, become the media.
Everyone knows the MSM is blatantly lying to them, now its up to us to point out the real enemies to everyone. - avengingturnip, on 08/14/2008, -2/+19Um, so now the U.S. military will have operational bases between Russia and Iran? Oh crap! Something tells me this isn't about aid.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7If by "will have" you mean "won't have."
There's no way in hell Russia will agree to this. It's another ultimatum drafted with the intention of being unacceptable which can provide a pretext for war when Russia laughs its ass off and gives it the finger.
Again, just like the Rambouillet Agreement (ultimatum) delivered to Serbia 9 years ago. - sh1tman, on 08/15/2008, -0/+0We already do....in Turkey.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7If by "will have" you mean "won't have."
- muckemuck, on 08/14/2008, -2/+37He was on Glenn Beck tonight and said that Russia hates Georgia because of their freedom.. well.. at least he learned his lines from W well.
- XISUPERMANIX, on 08/14/2008, -0/+11I was hoping that you were being sarcastic but *****:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfhVNfMePU
- XISUPERMANIX, on 08/14/2008, -0/+11I was hoping that you were being sarcastic but *****:
- MarkEarhart, on 08/14/2008, -1/+7Oh I wonder what in the world could have motivated Georgia, excuse me Russia, to create such a horrible conflict as they recently did?
- zbor, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2For a balanced look that doesn't buy into either Russian or Georgian propaganda, take a look at (and digg up!) this article from Reason:
http://digg.com/world_news/The_Triumph_of_Putinism ...
The Georgians shouldn't have invaded South Ossetia, and the Russians shouldn't have set a trap in the first place. Both sides are wrong. Diggers, get over your binary obsession and look a little deeper into the issue, please!- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Be careful! Don't raze Tskhinvali to the ground and slaughter civilians!!! You're falling into a Russian trap!
- zbor, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2For a balanced look that doesn't buy into either Russian or Georgian propaganda, take a look at (and digg up!) this article from Reason:
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -7/+18Can someone tell the clowns in Washington to knock this ***** off? Seriously, this is getting really old.
- Ridgeliner7, on 08/14/2008, -5/+5What is getting old is your anti-America hate.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -2/+1Hat-red. Hatred. Hate is a verb, hatred is a noun. Write it down.
- MxM111, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1>Hate is a verb.
Look into the dictionary. There is your picture near the word "clueless", and also, it explains about noun "hate" and what it means.
- Petrie, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3What's getting old is this predescribed notion that anything that sheds the US in a negative light is hate. Ever heard of "constructive criticism?" I'll give you an example:
"I don't like going trillions of dollars into debt, losing friends, and looking like a dick to the rest of the civilized world, so instead of jumping into battle based off of ***** intelligence like in Iraq, let's let that region of the world and its democratic nations solve the conflict until we can at least get a solid idea of what is actually going on."
I don't understand why people turned this into a commiefest. Georgia invaded the independant region of south ossetia. And in the same way that England acted on its treaty with Poland when Poland was invaded in WWII, so did the Russians get involved when south ossetia was invaded. Georgia is the dick here.
- Ridgeliner7, on 08/14/2008, -5/+5What is getting old is your anti-America hate.
- pilobilus, on 08/14/2008, -3/+11If true, this would account for the reported Russian military buildup in Georgia, still in progress today. The Doomsday Clock just advanced to 11:59:30.
- fandyboy, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4No it didn't.
- tmccool, on 08/15/2008, -0/+1I love diggers and their WW3 talk. All it takes is a total ignorance of world events and people start talking apocalypse.
- fandyboy, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4No it didn't.
- t3rmv3locity, on 08/14/2008, -5/+4Resistance is Futile.
- Mafiah, on 08/14/2008, -8/+3I for one welcome our United States over....
No. I don't think so.
"You have heard the statement by the U.S. president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia," Saakashvili said in a television address.
Yeah, more like starting another cold war. Military and humanitarian? does that even make any sense? - evilish, on 08/14/2008, -3/+21Holy *****! I seriously hope that Saakashvili is talking *****.
And now this: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/13/us.russ ...
Someone tell me that they seriously aren't trying to start another Cold War? or worse?
***** sake, is anyone sane left over there in the White house?
*****, they've asked Australia for military assistance. I really hope we don't get pulled in on this one too.- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -2/+3Ah, the old "with us or against us" speech.
So... anyone want to join me in checking out real estate in West Africa? I bet it will be nice and cool there this time next year.- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3The oil's cheap, but you have to fight for it with a sickle in one hand and a bullet in your chest.
- thescimitar, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4You don't really "start" a cold war. Generally, the history of cold wars is slowly escalating diplomatic tensions with hyper-active military-industrial complexes to enable the rhetoric. The cold war between the USSR and the United States (which wasn't really cold, just a long, long regular war fought by proxy states) was mostly cold in the later years because of doctrine like MAD, and just enough sanity in each government to prevent outright war.
In this sense, the Cold War in the 20th century never really ended, even though one of the belligerents vanished (as a state). The weapons are still in place, though diminished, and the people who commanded those weapons are still out there. There's just less centralization.
For neo-conservatives (who are NOT conservatives), this just marks a return to policy that they understand. Neo-conservatism does not even remotely understand asymmetric warfare, so the divvying up of NATO vs. (former) Soviet states just returns them to their comfort zone.
Remember, we've been fighting "terrorism" for our entire existence as a country, but up until the 21st century, we called it by a different name: proxy warfare. Every problem in Afghanistan is the bastard child of these policies. Same goes for what is now happening in Georgia. The only thing that changed after 9-11 was the propaganda, and the fact that the proxies were no longer controlled by their parent states (which, frankly, they never were). - prleet, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3I kinda dont like the fact this is pretty much similar to how WWI began..anyone, anyone, remembers?
Anyhow -WWII is continuation of WWI, in case anyone wondering...- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2WWII was revenge for WWI, which was a domino effect from a localized civil war thanks to the beauty of "the insidious wiles of foreign influence." The Korean War was an aftershock from WWII, and Vietnam was the second chapter.
The Iranian Coup was a spin-off/precursor from the influences guiding the Korean War and the Iraq/Iran War was pushed by our panicked response to Iran's angry response to the Iranian Coup. Now the Iraq War is a spin-off of the Gulf War which was caused by Iraq's self-assurance based on its actions in the Iraq/Iran War and our participation in it.
9/11 was a spin-off of the Iraq/Iran War, which was partly our panicked response to Iran's angry response to the Iranian Coup (sound familiar?).
The 5-day Georgia-Russian War was a sequel to the Georgian Civil War which was a spin-off of the Cold War, which was the epilogue to World War II triggered by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which was inspired by Pearl Harbor which was caused by oil embargoes against the Japanese which was caused by the Rape of Nanking.
Alas, nothing exists in a vacuum, especially an Imperialist American philosophy of global military and economic influence.
- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2WWII was revenge for WWI, which was a domino effect from a localized civil war thanks to the beauty of "the insidious wiles of foreign influence." The Korean War was an aftershock from WWII, and Vietnam was the second chapter.
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -2/+3Ah, the old "with us or against us" speech.
- paulishuku, on 08/14/2008, -3/+3This is some ***** right here. I'm getting married soon.
- aenegeling, on 08/14/2008, -0/+10congratulations?
- fandyboy, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2This is some ***** right here. The frog is pink.
- DeFex, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2so what do you care your life will be over, war or not :)
- prleet, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1"I would rather fight a war with guns than fight a war with hearts," don't know who said it but put my name down for this one.
- thefandango, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1yeah everyone saw how ineffective mah-ti was on captain planet.
that douche was useless. HEART! HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!
at least that one dude had fire.
- thefandango, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1yeah everyone saw how ineffective mah-ti was on captain planet.
- aenegeling, on 08/14/2008, -0/+10congratulations?
- mcla007, on 08/14/2008, -7/+13So Saakashvili hates living under Russian boots so much that he chooses instead to place his country's sovereignty under American boots? I am sure this make sense at some really deep level...
- Hangly, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6I suppose everyone has his price.
- PetrovEV, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3the price of american patronage is 2,000 people of SO...
- billybillyboy, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Don't forget the goat. 2000 souls and a goat.
- CoMpUtErITGuY, on 08/14/2008, -0/+140 acres and a mule.
- jlhoben, on 08/14/2008, -5/+1I bet he has a house in Langley.
- Ridgeliner7, on 08/14/2008, -17/+11Looks like you America haters got it all wrong again.
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BREAKING NEWS — Explosions can be heard near the Georgian city of Gori as a Russian troop withdrawal appears to be in collapse.
The Georgian Foreign Ministry says more Russian troops have moved into the city of Gori after a withdrawal had appeared to be under way earlier in the day.
Ministry spokeswoman Nato Chikovani said Thursday that Russian troops also moved into the Black Sea oil port city of Poti, from which they had appeared to leave earlier.
"Just a few minutes ago they (Russians) entered Poti in tanks," a shipping agent told Reuters by telephone. "Some of the guys have blue signs, badges, which means they should be peacekeepers."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403462,00.html- deathfix, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2"Explosions heard in Gori Thursday were the result of Russian troops clearing unexploded ordnance, the Interior Ministry said."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia ... - xedeon, on 08/14/2008, -5/+9FOX NEWS is your source?!!? Are you Serious!??
- kylekeeton, on 08/14/2008, -3/+4Looks like you got it wrong, read the article! Before you expound your thoughts.
Fox is a player with words. - AdInventive, on 08/14/2008, -4/+5LOLOL fox news. you asshat.
- thescimitar, on 08/14/2008, -1/+2This has nothing to do with hating America, or even American policies. It has wholly to do with the Russian state testing the diplomatic waters to see if NATO nations, and the United States in particular, have the political and military strength to restrain their policy goals (like the annexation of former Soviet states).
And frankly, with our forces stretched dangerously thin, we really don't have the capacity to engage in this kind of warfare. This is why nation building is such a ***** retarded idea, because it locks up resources both financial and military.
I highly doubt Russia would have undertaken such an overt action without the power of wealth in oil, and the weakened (and by this, I mean over-stretched) U.S. military. - DeFex, on 08/14/2008, -3/+2Hating American policy and war is not the same as hating America dimwit.
- legendxx, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1I totally agree. These people have severe war-weariness and don't even know it. If this happened under the Reagan, Bush1, Clinton administration then most of us would care less. But since we are tired of hearing about how we are extending ourselves around the world it's cool to knock the president and state that we should be worrying about our own internal affairs more.
It's all a cycle but most of the clowns on digg will never realize it b/c they have never picked up a history book. - zbor, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1For a balanced look that doesn't buy into either Russian or Georgian propaganda, take a look at (and digg up!) this article from Reason:
http://digg.com/world_news/The_Triumph_of_Putinism ...
The Georgians shouldn't have invaded South Ossetia, and the Russians shouldn't have set a trap in the first place. Both sides are wrong. Diggers, get over your binary obsession and look a little deeper into the issue, please! - rxbudian, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1"Explosions can be heard near the Georgian city of Gori ", so how do you know that it was not the Georgian people who are exploding things?
- deathfix, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2"Explosions heard in Gori Thursday were the result of Russian troops clearing unexploded ordnance, the Interior Ministry said."
- caveman84, on 08/14/2008, -2/+1so T.I. can sing now "Seattle ride with me, Tbilisi ride with me..."
- 2k2k, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2No, he's not being offensive, just offensively stupid.
This is really really bad news for the world, Americans and all the rest of us included. - Nintendesert, on 08/14/2008, -1/+8And the cups of Kool-Aid run over.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Does it it have polonium in it?
- CoMpUtErITGuY, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1And the cups of Kool-Aid runneth over.
- HMTKSteve, on 08/14/2008, -1/+12The US government has already denied that they will be taking control of the port. Buried for being inaccurate.
- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1Oh, look, I found the WMDs.
(Hehe, just playin'.)
- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -1/+1Oh, look, I found the WMDs.
- fadeout, on 08/14/2008, -3/+16The DoD publicly turned him down *yesterday.*
Quit with the knee jerk "zomg world war 3" crap about this already.- Kyrgizion, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1WW3 will start when either the Mosque of the Dome or the Mekka cube are destroyed.
Which, incidentally, is probably somewhere in the next 5 to 10 years.
- Kyrgizion, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1WW3 will start when either the Mosque of the Dome or the Mekka cube are destroyed.
- JasonCox, on 08/14/2008, -1/+14Wow, how isnt the fact that the Pentagon has already denied this in the top 5 comments?
- Sicarius, on 08/14/2008, -1/+7Because it doesn't fit with the blame America first mindset around here. Not to say the US is perfect but it takes a "special" kind of person to imagine a 15 year simmering ethnic conflict is all part of some empire building strategy by the USA.
- Murrabbit, on 08/14/2008, -6/+3"This is it, what we've all been waiting for, nukeular combat toe to toe with the Ruskies!"
- asskicker32, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1That is spelled so wrong I can't even look at it.
- snotrokit, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell! Oh wait, not yet. Sorry.
- jellygraph, on 08/14/2008, -4/+3it continues... >: (
- Shirleycakes, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2...you have no chance to survive?
- alanr19, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1I'm pretty sure they are making their time as we speak.
- StanleyKoolPrik, on 08/14/2008, -6/+11Digg: Russians, Chinese, left field liberals.
You used to to be cool, but you've become the conduit of straight up propaganda. See you the ***** later. Bye bye.
Slashdot, I'm sorry. Please take me back!- legendxx, on 08/14/2008, -2/+5It's great to see Diggers mock Fox News then turn around and call The Huffington Post the bible of truth. For some reason they think this makes them more informed than everyone else... it's pretty funny.
I recommend Slashdot and Reddit for comments that have been thought all the way through and are fad-free.- ZenMojo, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Actually, Fox News has some pretty reasonable coverage on these events. I guess once you're fired on by Georgian irregulars you start to second guess the party line.
- erkokite, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1Actually many of us quite dislike Huffington and the Chinese government.
- legendxx, on 08/14/2008, -2/+5It's great to see Diggers mock Fox News then turn around and call The Huffington Post the bible of truth. For some reason they think this makes them more informed than everyone else... it's pretty funny.
- Thorazine, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6"defense ministry" , LOL , we HAVE NO Defense MINISTRY. Sounds like ***** to me.
Or too many Martini's. - sc0rpi0n, on 08/14/2008, -7/+1If I were the submitter, I would write the title as "U.S. Military to Invade Georgia". It's not up to the Georgian government that some foreigners come and take control of their things.
- fandyboy, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Why?
- Observer001, on 08/14/2008, -3/+3Why isn't this on the top ten anything? Digg, you fools, it's actual news!
- JoelBakan01, on 08/14/2008, -2/+3Hitler made the same mistake in opening up a second front with Russia.
- amightywind, on 08/14/2008, -3/+2Hitler made the mistake of opening a front with the *west*. He could have overrun the Bolsheviks to the pacific if he hadn't declared war on the US. Hitler also made the mistake of attacking Moscow instead of focusing on the south and the oil fields of the Caspian.
- jamessavik, on 08/14/2008, -3/+5Re-zistance is fer-tile,
You will be ass-similated.
George W Bush, Borg error - DuffyDirect, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2They might as well just join England and celebrate St. George together
- seven07, on 08/14/2008, -1/+14All your base are belong to US, literally?
- DekarCorvus, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2i see what you did there....very nice lmao...
- heystoopid, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3Nah the stupid incompetent pillock should surrender to the Hague and face war crimes tribunal for all his criminal activities since he assumed control of the country during the Rose Revolution under false pretenses !
If justice is to be served for all the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire from his gross fiscal incompetence and other equally dumb and stupid grandiose empire building ideas of being a dear leader North Korean Style with along his fellow Georgian Mafioso he should be hanged at Nuremberg as a war criminal after a short swift trial ! - westvaco, on 08/14/2008, -3/+4Am I the only one who thinks Saakashvili should be committed to mental hospital? Just look at his actions and statements so far.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/14/2008, -1/+0you're so very not alone
- nytimes0809, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5Does Saakashvili want to be governor of Georgia?
- darwinwins, on 08/14/2008, -5/+5we warned em - don't get into a pissing match with the russians. they ignored us. ***** em.
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