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SICK: CELEBRITY CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY ATTEMPTS TO CAPITALIZE ON VIRGINIA TECH
hollywoodinterrupted.com — scientology stoops to new low with this one.
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- OneHine, on 11/14/2007, -10/+399These scum aren't the only ones. We also have Jack Thomson trying to blame this on video games, Debbie Schlussel trying to blame this on Muslims, and Ken Ham trying to blame this on atheism and evolution.
What the ***** is wrong with these people? And why are they getting so much support?- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+141Seriously. Scientology "Ministers" in there "counseling" people in a National Crisis should be against the law.
They are Quack counselors.
What are they going to say? "It's the engrams causing you this sadness. L. Ron can save you."
Get the Associations on these Quacks.
Why are they and other shills getting support? The Cons always come out when there's chaos. - checksumz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+181You forgot to add Dr. Phil to your list.
- insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -59/+13Your objections are duly noted ... but what DO we blame it on? It's natural for people to attempt to connect causes to effects -- a process that will be affected by their particular perspective. But what IS the sequence of cause and effects? How do we prevent these tragedies from occurring in the future?
- AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -45/+31I DO NOT Agree with scientology. They are evil for trying to use this to recruit people to their wacky cult.
Seriously though, the drug companies need to be held accountable for the side affects of the drugs they are making. And doctors need to be held accountable for prescribing drugs so freely. A great deal of violent agression in our society can be attributed to the over diagnosis of antidepressant drugs. - StormTrooperVII, on 11/14/2007, -4/+48"scientology stoops to new low with this one"
"What the ***** is wrong with these people? And why are they getting so much support?"
I've ceased to be amazed at a) how low some people are willing to stoop, and b) how stupid people are for buying into it, and c) how many people buy into it. That by itself is sad. - SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -26/+4@OneHine
"Ismail Ax" and complaining about "debauchery" doesn't at least hint to you that this guy was possibly a Muslim? Let's not forget the DC Sniper.
That said, it's way too early to make any certain claims. - marmanukem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46People are so fast to blame ***** on anything but themselves, that is what is wrong with current society, no one is expected to have personal responsibility.
- Hardcase, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8@insomniacal: They guy was nuts. He's been on medication for depression and, at least from the news that I read, was seriously disturbed. Prior to the mid 70s he could have been easily forced to take medication to fix the problem, but then we realized that their right to be nuts trumped our right to make them sane. Not saying that it was wrong or right, but there's the situation.
- carbonetc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+146If only there was some specific person we could blame the shooting on. You know, like, some kind of clear antagonist. A "shooter", if you will.
Oh well. Maybe next time. - daRoach, on 11/14/2007, -3/+18@assprophet
From my experience with doctors and trying to fix conditions with mental health, it is a very difficult process to balance the right medications with the right diagnosis. It is very trial and error and with most patients who want effects right away it can be frustrating. I have never dealt with a doctor who prescribes something and says "Here's your prescription, that'll fix you!" It is always "Make note of any changes you notice, keep in contact with me." If there are any ill effects don't get discouraged. This process can be very trying on someone who is reluctantly accepting that they have this problem in the first place and is a very delicate situation, so you can't really say the doctors are to blame. - Krumley, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26@insomniacal: "but what DO we blame it on? It's natural for people to attempt to connect causes to effects..."
You blame it on the person that did it. Period. Responsibility for ones actions can't be handed off to video games or the availability of firearms. The second you assign an outside "cause", you give that person an excuse; a way out- and barring something like a .... I don't know, some kind of sudden brain injury, (and I'm really reaching here), there IS no excuse. As for "cause and effects", I have no idea what really happened inside this prick's head, but It looks as if his belief system allowed for mass murder in response to social and romantic rejection. - cjackson, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10"I do believe that a great deal of violent agression in our society can be attributed to the over diagnosis of antidepressant drugs"
"the drug companies need to be held accountable for the side affects of the drugs they are making"
Links? I'm not familiar with any data behind these assertions.
I'd like to agree with you but I just can't until I get some independent verification - jordanday, on 11/14/2007, -6/+17@assprophet: "A great deal of violent agression in our society can be attributed to the over diagnosis of antidepressant drugs."
O RLY? I'd like to see, oh, you know, some sort of source for that little tidbit of information. Like -- say -- an actual scientific study?
While I certainly agree that in our society we have the tendency to overprescribe, please don't even BEGIN to insinuate that this kid went on a murder spree because he prozac dosage was a little too high. If anything, it's readily apparent that this guy should have been MORE medicated. People don't go on killing rampages because they're a little too hopped up on an antidepressant. They go on killing rampages because they have a serious mental illness that needs to be treated. And not treated by scientologist "therapy." They need to be treated by actual scientific method, evidence-based medicine kind of stuff.
@carbonetc: I lol'd. - bebop717, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17New low? Please, it's the same low they alway have had.
- DiggDawgg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Seriously though, the drug companies need to be held accountable for the side affects of the drugs they are making. And doctors need to be held accountable for prescribing drugs so freely. A great deal of violent agression in our society can be attributed to the over diagnosis of antidepressant drugs."
There's always someone else to blame. I want to know when are people going to start taking responsibility for THEMSELVES? Parents want the government to be responsible for what their kids learn, people want someone else to be responsible for making sure they don't hurt themselves. Why are we all pointing our fingers at someone else? Why not start by taking responsibility for US!
Then everyone goes around complaining about the government having so much control of us. BUT WE ASKED THEM TO!
Oh, and yeah, Scientology is whacked but if people are so dense to believe it, maybe they deserve to be part of it. - JohnboiWaltune, on 11/14/2007, -4/+22@OneHine
"We also have Jack Thomson trying to blame this on video games, Debbie Schlussel trying to blame this on Muslims, and Ken Ham trying to blame this on atheism and evolution. What the ***** is wrong with these people?"
Simple minds require simple explanations. It's easier just to blame it on Group X or Idea Y rather than understand the individual person, situation, and sociology. - eth3l, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5When is someone going to try and blame this on Bush.
But6 seriously, the only person that should be blamed is the shooter. Let's get out of our pussfied society and start taking responsibility for our ***** actions rather than blame *****. - insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6@krumley: "You blame it on the person that did it. Period. Responsibility for ones actions can't be handed off to video games or the availability of firearms. The second you assign an outside "cause", you give that person an excuse; a way out- and barring something like a .... I don't know, some kind of sudden brain injury, (and I'm really reaching here), there IS no excuse. As for "cause and effects", I have no idea what really happened inside this prick's head, but It looks as if his belief system allowed for mass murder in response to social and romantic rejection."
Sorry, but I'm not satisfied with such a terse line of inquiry. You sound like a creationist who says, "God did it, and that's all we need to know." People haven't _always_ gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystanders. You couldn't care about why it's happening now?
What if there IS a way to help prevent these crimes, to help the people inspired to commit them to hold back? Isn't that worth trying to find? I am NOT advocating blamecasting or quick fixes, but a serious look into similarities in the chains of events that had led to such catastrophes.
To be honest, I'm surprised that anyone would suggest we clamp our hands over our ears and say, "There's nothing we can do, these people are just nuts and that's the way the cookie crumbles." - fotd42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The real issue here is now all the talking heads feel that WE need to be blamed. It's not the deranged acts of an unstable person, it's video games, movies, music, TV, psychiatrists, atheists, evolution, Muslims, bloggers, Christians, Black People, White People, Asians, Asian-Americans, lack of gun-control laws, too many gun-control laws, mini-skirts, tattoos, the military-industrial complex, marxism, socialism, facism, democracy, theology, and women who carry dogs in purses to blame.
Seriously, it's time that we as a country/culture stand up and yell "SHUT THE ***** UP" whenever these incidents occur and the self-righteous pricks on TV tell us they know who dunnit. It's bad enough that we have to witness a tragedy like this unfold, but we also have to endure the mudslinging and for some goddamned reason share the blame when at the end of the day the only victims are those who got shot and the only one to blame is the man who shot them. - 0o0Moylan0o0, on 11/14/2007, -6/+8Tom Cruise, Heterosexual? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:Moylan reacts to the hocus pocus notion. - majglow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@insomniacal "People haven't _always_ gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystanders."
Oh yeah? When have people not gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystandards? I'm looking through my history books and I'm having trouble finding such a golden age. - SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@insomniacal
If you think that this is something new, you're ignorant. Mass murderers were around long before nearly all of the outside influences that will be blamed for this event. - fredxor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@assprophet
It's not necessarily the medication (if the shooter even was taking medication) that caused this. Usually, medication will stabilize someone, with a few exceptions. A person who is consistantly taking their medication is less likely to go nuts than a person who isn't consistantly taking their medication because the medication is treating their symptoms. I don't know of a medication with a homicidal side effect, but there are medications that, in some cases, cause people to be suicidal (NOT homicidal). An unstable person who is not taking a medication to stabilize them and calm them down is far more likely to go on a rampage.
Also, scientology is anti-psychology because any of their members who also see psychologists would end up leaving scientology after the psychologist gets their patient help. - harrier666, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Every article I read about Bush's speech is invoking 9/11 (mind you, eth31, not blaming bush himself. His speech was actually quite touching). I read from one news source something along the lines of "The President is a healer. Just as he healed our nation after 9/11".. What? Let this horrible tragedy stand on its own.
- humperdeath, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Because there must always be a cause, and that cause must be someone or something with lots of money. Maybe because money is the root of all evil, so someone's got to take all this money away from the evil, then it's not so evil anymore. (PS. this is not my theory- I think it is some sick psycho looney that just snapped. )
- bcasper1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3http://digg.com/world_news/Dustinlan_Comic_Truthful_Look_at_Media_on_the_Virginia_Tech_Shooting
- CaesarBlue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Dear Future Psychopath Killer who chose Scientology and not Medical Help,
Xenu wants you to make sure you bring a couple of your Scientology friends with you. Please be sure to bring Tom Cruise, Xenu really loved MI3 and has a couple questions he wants to ask Tom.
Best Regards,
OT VIII - themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Let's start a petition to get the heads of Scientology assassinated.
- anoneMoose, on 11/14/2007, -2/+10They also blame psychiatrists for 9-11.
Some quotes from L. Ron Hubbard about psychiatry and psychiatrists
"The names and connections, at this time, of the bitterly opposing enemy are: 1. Psychiatry and psychology (not medicine). 2. The heads of news media who are also directors of psychiatric front groups. 3. A few key political figures in the fields of "mental health" and education. 4. A decline of monetary stability caused by the current planning of bankers who are also directors of psychiatric front organizations [that] would make us unable to function."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 16 February 1969, "TARGETS, DEFENSE"
"A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them." - L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, "Project Psychiatry"
"’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda." - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 October 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words" - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5At the end of the day it's all Clinton's fault. Everything is. Everything.
/s - mb96net, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8A lot more people buy into the crap the the bible sells than the crap that L. Ron sold. Both are cults, one has a better legal team the other has a better PR team.
- anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14This shows a bit more about Scientology's "all psychs are evil" stance. These are images from their Psychiatry : An Industry of Death exhibit...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_controlling.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_children.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_eugenics.jpg - Yes, they blame psychiatrists for hitler...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_origins.jpg - anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3This shows a bit more about Scientology's "all psychs are evil" stance. These are images from their Psychiatry : An Industry of Death exhibit...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_controlling.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_children.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_eugenics.jpg - Yes, they blame psychiatrists for hitler...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piod_museum_origins.jpg - DryvBy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@jordanday
Well, you can watch a commercial for any drug and you'll hear crazy stuff like "may cause depression" and stuff. I've even heard one ad say a side effect was "thoughts of suicide". Although I don't really point blame at drugs (more at the looney who did it), I do think we need to quit shoving pills down everyones throat because that's not always going to solve the problem. - bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@assprophet
Antidepressants don't cause violence, but often people who are depressed (surprising?) take these drugs. Often people suffering from maniac depression, bipolar disorder, etc are already suicidal, show violent mood swings, and a disregard for others. These are some symptoms from BEFORE they start taking the drugs. It's also pretty difficult to get them without also seeing a psychiatrist on a regular basis, as these drugs are usually only able to take the edge off while real one-on-one therapy is needed to provide anything remotely like a cure. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Xenu is not pleased ...
/someone had to say it - insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@majglow and @sultantravi:
"If you think that this is something new, you're ignorant. Mass murderers were around long before nearly all of the outside influences that will be blamed for this event."
"Oh yeah? When have people not gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystandards? I'm looking through my history books and I'm having trouble finding such a golden age."
The difference between me and you is, I have no problem granting you this point if you insist on it. I disagree with you, but for the sake of argument I'll concede it.
But again, this means you are no different from creationists. You insist that these mass murders have always occurred, yet you refuse to investigate the _reasons_ behind why they occur. This is no different from insisting that the sun has always revolved around the earth, so there's no point in trying to figure out why. Had we left it at that, we may never have understood that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth at all.
I sense a lot of anger in this thread directed at blamecasters. Some people are trying to turn me into one of them. If you jump back to my original comment (up near the top, where at this point it has -28 diggs), a poor wording choice on my part ("what DO we blame it on?") is masking a real issue I don't see being addressed enough.
In your anger, don't close your minds. Just because some people try to capitalize on a tragedy by labeling their pet peeves as the root cause, that doesn't mean we should throw up our hands and refuse to consider, for all time eternal, what the real underlying causes might be.
Imagine if medical science operated this way. Suppose someone commits suicide, and the WBC blames it on God hating America. How dare they! But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to find similarities in the chains of causation that lead people to commit suicide. If we're patient, and determined, and thorough, we may just learn something that will help other potential suicides from occurring. And the same goes for these types of mass murders.
Sorry, but when it comes to this type of thing, I'm not satisfied with the status quo. Not when we have minds. - Krumley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@insomniacal:
I'm not saying: "There's nothing we can do, these people are just nuts and that's the way the cookie crumbles". As I -did- say before: "...barring something like a ... sudden brain injury, ... there IS no excuse." -And- "It looks as if his belief system allowed for mass murder in response to social and romantic rejection."
"...You couldn't care about why it's happening now?"
Of course I care. However...
Taking "...a serious look into similarities in the chains of events that had led to such catastrophes" as you say, seems to imply that there must be some external factors that just -have- to be the "real" reason someone like Cho committed mass murder. Predicting how some guy's mindset is so warped that he would kill 32 people is impossible, so people like you go for the easy answers- Answers like "its the video games" or "people can own guns"...and then try to fix it all with a crusade against these "dangers".
The thoughts, emotions and systems of beliefs that are components of "mind" are beyond complex. Psychiatry and drugs work sometimes...a significant portion of the time they don't. They are very blunt tools when working with something as complex as a human mind, but they're the best we have right now (and it's hell of alot easier to punt and go looking for some easy-to-fix, external "problem"). So, failing some treatment we can give someone, what's left is...personal responsibility- The rest is *****. Unless a person is obviously incapacitated in some way, not being responsible for ones own behavior allows a person to bail on any and all of the rules that keep a society functioning, while damaging and sometimes killing others in it. The people that encourage not being self-responsible by blaming outside factors do almost as much damage to society by "fixing" what wasn't wrong with it in the first place i.e. enacting gun control laws, video game bans, etc.
Oh, and by the way: "People haven't _always_ gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystanders"
Yes they have. Mass murder wasn't invented in the 20th / 21st century- Nuts like Cho have been doing it throughout recorded history. And I'm sure some fool tried to outlaw rocks 3000 years ago, too. - Krumley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@insomniacal:
"Oh yeah? When have people not gone nuts and killed dozens of innocent bystandards? I'm looking through my history books and I'm having trouble finding such a golden age."
What history books are you looking through? It took me 30 seconds to grab this -very- abbreviated list off of the web. I would bet that if I took 1/2 hour, I could grab a batch for each century of recorded history.
John D. Lee (Mountain Meadows Massacre, 1857)
John Filip Nordlund (Sweden, Mass murder on the ferry Prins Carl, killing 5 wounding 8, 1900)
Simone Pianetti (Italy, Camerata Cornello, 1915)
Andrew Kehoe (Bath, Michigan, Blew up school, killing 45 (mostly children) 1927
Mutsuo Toi (Tsuyama massacre, Okayama, Japan, killing 30, 1938)
Howard Unruh (Camden, New Jersey, 1949)
Tore Hedin (Hurva, Sweden, killed 9, 1952) - insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Krumley: "Predicting how some guy's mindset is so warped that he would kill 32 people is impossible, so people like you go for the easy answers- Answers like "its the video games" or "people can own guns"...and then try to fix it all with a crusade against these "dangers"."
My point of contention is this assumption from you: "people like you go for the easy answers ..."
Somehow I think you've missed each time I have already rendered my own criticisms of blamecasters and quick fingerpointing. From the very beginning (my first comment is now at -30 diggs) I noted others' objections to those who have quickly blamed video games, psychiatry, etc.
Too many discussions assume only two buckets: with us or against us. In this case the buckets seem to be 1) my pet peeve X caused this mass murder, or 2) there's no cause whatsoever to this mass murder aside from the murderer himself.
I'm arguing in favor of a third bucket: stop blaming your pet peeve X on this mass murder so we can cool down and begin a serious inquiry into what prompts people to lash out and kill innocents. I would like to add that this approach does not have to preclude the idea of personal responsibility. We can still hold people responsible for their actions while seeking ways that might help them choose positives over negatives.
You've argued that the human mind is simply too complex to be boiled down to easy fixes. Agreed. And yet signs indicating that someone may seriously be contemplating suicide, as well as ways to help them choose against it, _have_ been determined. These are not easy fixes, and they're not short lists. Yes, the human mind is complex. Yes, there's no one-shot answer for helping someone choose life over suicide. And yes, ultimately suicide may be seen as a matter of personal choice and responsibility. But I respect those that have sought out the patterns in order to help others.
These mass murders always seem to end in suicide, so I'm thinking the comparison is appropriate, and that patterns might be found, as well as ways to help those contemplating mass murder to choose against it.
That's it from me, Krumley. You may have the last word. - insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Krumley:
Lost my last comment when I tried to fix a typo. Rats. Here's the recap:
I'm not going for an easy fix. There are more than just two buckets here ("My pet peeve X is responsible!" vs. "Only the man himself is responsible!"). I'm proposing a third bucket: "Stop blaming your pet peeve X so we can cool down and begin a serious inquiry into what prompts people to murder innocent bystanders." This doesn't have to preclude the idea of personal responsibility. We can hold people responsible while still seeking ways that we can help them make positive choices.
You argued that the human mind is too complex for easy answers. I agree. I'm not seeking easy answers. Consider suicide: very complex. Yet signs indicating that a person is contemplating suicide, as well as ways to help them decide against it, have been identified. They're not easy answers, and they're not short lists. I respect those who have worked long and thoughtfully enough to see these similarities in order to help others.
These mass murders always seem to end in suicide, so I think the comparison is appropriate. Thankfully, I'm confident that mental health experts are continuing to work so that some -- not all, but some -- incidents like this one will be prevented in the future.
That was it in a nutshell. I'm out; the last word is yours. - insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@Krumley:
Lost my last comment when I tried to fix a typo. Rats. Here's the recap:
I'm not going for an easy fix. There are more than just two buckets here ("My pet peeve X is responsible!" vs. "Only the man himself is responsible!"). I'm proposing a third bucket: "Stop blaming your pet peeve X so we can cool down and begin a serious inquiry into what prompts people to murder innocent bystanders." This doesn't have to preclude the idea of personal responsibility. We can hold people responsible while still seeking ways that we can help them make positive choices.
You argued that the human mind is too complex for easy answers. I agree. I'm not seeking easy answers. Consider suicide: very complex. Yet signs indicating that a person is contemplating suicide, as well as ways to help them decide against it, have been identified. They're not easy answers, and they're not short lists. I respect those who have worked long and thoughtfully enough to see these similarities in order to help others.
These mass murders always seem to end in suicide, so I think the comparison is appropriate. Thankfully, I'm confident that mental health experts are continuing to work so that some -- not all, but some -- incidents like this one will be prevented in the future.
That was it in a nutshell. I'm out; the last word is yours. - whiteninja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm going to go ahead and blame school shootings on pants.
- insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1What the ... ???
- appetite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I've also seen people blame it on:
Guns.
Gun control.
America.
George Bush.
Cops.
Mean classmates.
Racism.
Religion.*
Drug companies.*
Don't leave all those off your list of things blamed either erroneously or way too hastily.
* New! - maexus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@assprophet
I completely agree. Esp with my experience with Benzos and SSRIs. My doctor told me there were no widthdraw side effects from either one. Bull *****. SSRI widthdraw syndrome is a well documented medical occurrence. - WhiteIce89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Not to mention Nancy Grace, who blamed this on the Duke players.
- gamefreak6401, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I would love to know OneHine
- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Why are they scum?
Maybe because you work for Big Pharm and you don't want the attention put on your toxic crap??????
Maybe it's because your some Christian or Muslim kook who thinks their religion is NOT a cult?????
Whatever it is, you're a hypocrite! Look that word up in the dictionary, would ya? - pants428, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@whiteninja:
You bastard... I didn't have anything to do with this.. - oceanmoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hell, practically everyone in America is on some SSRI or atypical anti-depressant. Give this a ***** rest.
- hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I notice you only mention the people that are against YOUR beleifs that are trying to capitalize on it. Plenty of people that you want to suck their ***** are doing it too.
- michaelbeckham, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How about this has nothing to do with atheists, video games, liberals, gays, msnbc viewers but maybe the uncontrolled Gun problem in the States!!!!
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For more Information on the Cult of $cientology:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
http://www.rickross.com/groups/scientology.html
http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/scientology/
http://www.factnet.org/
http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/index.html
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://theunfunnysequel.ytmnd.com/
http://www.ScienTOMogy.com
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html - round427, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bigsurjune
Scientology has a convenient little practice of attacking the attacker. Anyone who criticizes Scientology must have something inherently flawed within them - and I see you're well acquainted with that tactic in your post.
Just because Scientology is a greedy shameless cult doesn't mean that people who realize that are with a drug company. Nice try, Travolta. - krosh08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@OneHin
"And why are they getting so much support?"
Remember the speach of President Andrew Shepherd from "American President"?
"You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family and American values and character. And ... you scream about patriotism and you tell them, who's to blame for their lot in life, and you go on television and ..." - Krumley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@insomniacal:
"I'm arguing in favor of a third bucket: stop blaming your pet peeve X on this mass murder so we can cool down and begin a serious inquiry into what prompts people to lash out and kill innocents. I would like to add that this approach does not have to preclude the idea of personal responsibility. We can still hold people responsible for their actions while seeking ways that might help them choose positives over negatives."
I re-read your prior posts. If I understand your ideas correctly (now that they've been refined in your last post) then to be honest, I will agree. It's a slope that must be -very- carefully tread, however. Take a look at proposals to profile children in Britain for "anti-social" pre-dispositions, for example. It's difficult to repair a motherboard with a hammer- Weak analogy to be sure, but close enough. Not only are the tools and skill-sets not yet up to the task, often there are people & institutions wielding them towards their own ends.
Good argument.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+141Seriously. Scientology "Ministers" in there "counseling" people in a National Crisis should be against the law.
- shootdashit, on 10/12/2007, -85/+5i think this is misleading for a headline. i don't like how the scientologists run over people with their power, but if they have found a link between these school shootings in a drug these murderers are taking, then how is that not helpful? other ***** are blaming video games!
- crawfishsoul, on 11/14/2007, -15/+40I'm sorry, I couldn't understand your comment, all I heard was "Baaahhh, baaaahhh, baaaahhhhh!!"
Go back to sleep sheep. Don't forget your tinfoil hat. - directedition, on 11/14/2007, -3/+20Scientologists haven't found any links to anything. They believe any form of psychology is inherently evil and therefore any drugs that change your mental state are also evil. They may put 'scien' in their name, but it has absolutely nothing to do with science. Many people who were seriously mentally disturbed have been driven to suicide and homicide from the church's teachings.
- qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10You do know that correlation doesn't prove causation, right?
- heffae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Not only does correlation not prove causation. I've never seen any proof of correlation.
But I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that all of the people that commit school shootings are on medication for a mental illness. So basicaly what they are claiming is that people that we know need mental help (why else would they be on medication) are the people that are likely to commit a school shooting. Well gee thats helpful. - leolll, on 11/14/2007, -1/+3From WIRED news:
"News reports said that he may have been taking medication for depression and that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic."
http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/V/VIRGINIA_TECH_SHOOTING?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-04-17-13-16-13 - shootdashit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2why am i getting dug down? the FDA, as a recent submitted story on digg will show, hide ***** all the time that they "appprove" for us to injest. is it not possible that there might be a link to certain medications affecting the brain negatively? chemicals affect people. drugs especially. oxycotin is approved and is a terribly addictive drug. my cousin's father-in-law sold almost everything he had, ruining his family over that "approved" *****. is that a crazy scientologist theory?
i'm not saying the scientologists are right. there wasn't enough in this article to state that. but i don't care if it were a christian, if they said they had some evidence into links, then i'd think you might as well check it out rather than writing it off as non-sense because you don't believe the religion. that's as ignorant as the religious that write off secular scientists and doctors for their non-beliefs. you can find all sorts of science out there that link drugs we're all taking to other severe medical issues. like autism. how is this tin-foil hat caliber? i'm not saying you're wrong and that the tom cruisers are right, but keep an open mind.
- crawfishsoul, on 11/14/2007, -15/+40I'm sorry, I couldn't understand your comment, all I heard was "Baaahhh, baaaahhh, baaaahhhhh!!"
- antifreeze11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+82i stopped reading at heterosexual tom cruise
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14They had to clarify because of the turtleneck he is wearing and the fact he is sitting on a purple chair :)
- crawfishsoul, on 11/14/2007, -2/+20They had to clarify because it's Tom Cruise.
There, fixed it for you.
- fober, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32The digg title hurt my ears.
Where's my medication...- Xageroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52Digg submitter attempts to capitalize everything.
- tHePeOPle, on 11/14/2007, -2/+11Sorry. Scientology doesn't allow medication. Xenu forbids!!
- cliner, on 11/14/2007, -1/+50For anyone who has not seen this I recommend a quick watch, this is what Scientology is all about.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The only ytmnd that should be required viewing for anyone with the capacity to read the text.
- themarq, on 11/14/2007, -9/+25Sorry, but no matter how valid your story is, anything typed in ALL CAPS GETS BURIED!
We all have to draw our lines somewhere, I believe this is the best for digg.- jordanday, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Style trumps content. The Web 2.0 Revolution!
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well seeing as the title was something that you would yell and say angerly I would say that's exactly what all caps is intended for.
- fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would say that all people posting to digg are yelling
- SavageBlackCat, on 11/14/2007, -6/+9So which one was it? Video games or vitamins?
Maybe we should lock up the scientologists with muslims. Winner gets the antartic.- SkipDaRoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oi...keep your riff raff in your own northern hemisphere.
Antarctica is for us southerners and the penguins, you can send whoever you want or mine whatever you want in the Artic
- SkipDaRoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oi...keep your riff raff in your own northern hemisphere.
- closertogod, on 11/14/2007, -2/+6Fing SOB Scientologist.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Buried for using all caps.
- jordanday, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Does anybody really need to know why you buried a particular story? Clicking the "Bury" button apparently isn't satisfying enough for you? Seriously, "Buried for ______" END OF COMMENT comments are lamer than headlines typed in caps.
- bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes, because "for all caps" is not a valid bury option. I think all buries and reasons for buries should be public. If a submitter knows why a story was buried, maybe they won't make the same mistakes in the future, which will hopefully lead to a better stories hitting the front page.
An "Other" option allowing a user to enter in why they are burring would be a good addition to digg. This could maybe work like Slashtags on Slashdot, whereby repeated "other" options pop up as default options in the future, and Rose and the other admins could ban invalid reasons (like racist things).
- tremulant14, on 11/14/2007, -3/+16Scientology is a joke. Enough said.
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Too bad it's a lethal joke. And not even a good lethal joke (like the monty python skit).
- GedsNH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The problem here is too little medicine and therapy. . . this ***** was obviously crazy. .. somewhat like these delusional scientologists. Drugs and therapy help people every day. . . anyone who asserts otherwise and tries to persuade people not to seek this help should be held responsible for the influences of their actions just like cult leaders are held responsible for the actions of their brainwashed followers.
- jordanday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You're going to get dugg down because people think all references to "Medicine" means "Prescription drugs." While prescriptions probably could have helped this guy and most likely put him in a state where he wouldn't murder 30+ people, the guy obviously needed more than some prozac. A combined therapy of counseling and medication probably could have kept this guy a fairly normal member of society.
Seriously, why are people so all-or-nothing on prescription drugs? Yes, the drug companies are huge billion dollar companies that probably have their profit margins as a higher priority than your well-being. That doesn't mean the pharmacist at your corner drugstore or your neighborhood doctor does. These people are experts in their fields, and they really are trying to help people, in a scientifically-based manner.
- jordanday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You're going to get dugg down because people think all references to "Medicine" means "Prescription drugs." While prescriptions probably could have helped this guy and most likely put him in a state where he wouldn't murder 30+ people, the guy obviously needed more than some prozac. A combined therapy of counseling and medication probably could have kept this guy a fairly normal member of society.
- ElliotShoe, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1down after 90 diggs... boo
- jeromeerome, on 11/14/2007, -3/+29How about the Westboro Baptist Church planning to protest the funerals of the Virginia Tech victims.
http://www.digg.com/politics/WBC_to_Preach_at_Funerals_of_Virginia_Tech_Dead_WTF- silverchrysalis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4now, if only someone would come along and feed those bastards some antidepressants...
- concertina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm thinking it's antipsychotics they'll be needing ...
- silverchrysalis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4now, if only someone would come along and feed those bastards some antidepressants...
- Dmon123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Eveyone just wants a part of this media, Eveyone is makeing things seem so much worse. Sure 32 something where killed, yet there are more then that numbers of deaths a day. Also, Think about the number of people the USA has killed, Think of all the kids died in the USA bombings in Iraq? Think of it this way, You think this news is bad, just think of what the Iraq news would be like.
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Someone mentioned in a previous thread that 32 was par for the course in Iraq and got uber-burried. I think we need to keep some perspective in all this. People who bury such comments reveal themselves as racist bigots. We think what happened yesterday is different from what happens in Iraq. Burying his comment means that you would have to believe that American lives are worth more than Iraqi lives. When someone sets off a bomb in Iraq, the vast majority of the victims are civilians going about their daily life, just like these kids. Everyone has a mother, a father, or maybe a sister, a brother, a son, a daughter. The loss of life is never meaningless. What happened yesterday was a tragedy, and I'm sure our brave administration will be able to use this event to strip away more of freedoms (Fox News is repeatedly saying the name of the killer if only to get their point across that it wasn't a person with a traditional Christian name). Perhaps this event will teach us that the value of life isn't just a number that passes along the bottom of a 24-hour news channel's ticker as they discuss Anna Nicole once again. Death is serious, and some people seem to be just now realizing this.
- jjb123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Don't be a douche and turn this tragedy in to a political debate or you are no better than Scientology or Jack Thompson.
- Dmon123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0look, I'm very upset about what happened, I find it so sad that these kids died, I'm just trying to show a contrast between everything in the world, I know that USA is a safe place and Iraq is not, but you need to realize that what happened is just the icing on the cake. I know that this is the worst mass killing in US history, which if you think about it is not true, think about the civil war, etc, and I'm not trying to turn this into a debate, but i do like what directedition said, how fox news is trying to make it look like that no "white" People are to blame, we still have no reason why this man did the things he did, but look at it this way, There would have to have been a reason for this to happen, I mean Columbine happened because these kids where picked on.
I know that this man was consided a "Loner" but still, Something must have happened to have made this person snap, i mean, you don't wake up one day and think "Hm, Lets kill everyone" There would have to be a reason, now I know that this man was crazy and insane, but we are all jumping to crazy concusions, we are all thinking of the people killed, what about this kid? Why did he do this? Its quite sad to think that the world is up in arms around the victims, this kid must have had something done to him too. Now, It could be reading his creative writing that this kid was abused by his family. That is just a theory. Yet, I'm getting quite off topic.
I should come back to what i was saying before, The people killed are nothing to the amount of people killed in the middle east. This is just how sick the US is, the fact that they are talking about how sick this man who was insane was, maybe if someone tried to reach out to this kid, maybe if someone tired to help, this whole thing would have not happened. - jjb123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I do agree with that, how he could have been stopped and helped. I read your comment slightly out of context, sorry, but I don't really think this can be compared to Iraq right now.
- chaosium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I know that this man was consided a "Loner" but still, Something must have happened to have made this person snap, i mean, you don't wake up one day and think "Hm, Lets kill everyone" There would have to be a reason, now I know that this man was crazy and insane, but we are all jumping to crazy concusions, we are all thinking of the people killed, what about this kid? Why did he do this? "
BECAUSE HE WAS BROKEN IN THE HEAD.
- Cutkomp, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1Oh come off it, the government and media are going to capitalize off of this way more than Scientologists.
Did y'all know Freud was a nutty cokehead? The whole mental health scare is really just a way for the real Nazi-type folks to get meds into kids and classify them at earlier ages.- jordanday, on 11/14/2007, -2/+8You're absolutely right. The thousands of practicing doctors, pharmacists, psychologists and scientists are really just part of a government conspiracy TO CONTROL THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
Freud may have been a coke head -- but Car Sagan was hippie dope-smoker. He was probably part of a huge government conspiracy to convince us that xenu doesn't really exist! After all, he never even mentioned the HISTORICAL TRUTH that billions of aliens were piled into volcanoes and earth, destroyed by hydrogen bombs, and then caught in giant soul collectors and forced to roam the earth INFECTING OUR MINDS!!!!!!! - Cutkomp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@jordanday
You've obviously not kept up on the news regarding grade school children being screened for mental health, sponsored in part by the drug companies who imported Nazi's after WW2.
I never once said that the thousands of doctors, shrinks and scientists are part of a huge conspiracy. I merely implicated that some of them are involved. It only takes a few asswads to legislate something into existance. - heffae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think most people know Freud was a "nutty coke head" thats why most of his theories have been largely debunked. While Freud does deserve some credit for creating the field of modern psychology. I think if you talk to a doctor you will find that today the practice of psychology has little to do with Freud's theory's and a lot to do with actual science.
- jordanday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, I HAVE kept up with the news. Assuming you're against the whole mental-health screening in gradeschool thing, then that's one area where you and I certainly can agree. You're right to be disgusted with corporate-sponsored mental health screenings in grade school.
However, that doesn't excuse your "The whole mental health scare" comment. Mental illnesses are diseases, and often require medication to treat. Are the companies that make these medicines benevolent? No, probably not. They're almost certainly in it for the money (as evidenced by the school screenings you mention.) That doesn't mean, though, that the medicines they produce are bad or wrong. They really do help a lot of people out. The fact that the drug companies are raking in money may be distasteful, but it's not like they're not providing a valuable service.
Mental illnesses are also not rare. While I don't have any articles handy (and I certainly wouldn't want to give statistics without citations), I think many people have seen that mental illnesses affect a significant portion of the overall population. A lot of people who take prozac or xanax probably just need to eat healthier and exercise more, but there are also a lot of people who honestly NEED prescription medicines to feel better. Your "...whole mental health scare." comment more or less labels these people as weak-willed hypochondriacs. You're saying their problems aren't real. That's what I take issue with. - Cutkomp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@jordanday
Haha, ok, we just have some mixed signals or something. By the 'mental health scare' I was referring mainly to the method of fear that seems to be used to push drugs and mental health screenings on kids. It's kind of along the same lines as the 'War on Terror' from how I see it. I don't doubt one bit that some people are crazy and sometimes meds help them. I worked in a mental health care facility for several years so I've seen it first hand. I've also seen how the various methods of treatment don't work. Many are little more than guinea pigs for the state and big pharma.
- jordanday, on 11/14/2007, -2/+8You're absolutely right. The thousands of practicing doctors, pharmacists, psychologists and scientists are really just part of a government conspiracy TO CONTROL THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
- hrtattx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING
- skankme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11LOUD ANGRY NOISES
- skankme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11LOUD ANGRY NOISES
- tehjarvis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20These sick bastards and their ***** up beliefs make even Jesus Campers look sane.
- FeartheKnight, on 10/12/2007, -20/+3well, at least we jesus campers are smarter than you
- bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If by smarter you mean more-prone-to-group-think-and-cult-behavior, than yes, that's probably true. It's more likely that you aren't a "Jesus Camper" and are just a run-of-the-mill Christian. Zealots of any kind are never smarter than anyone... ever.
- tehjarvis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Please tell me how to know people's IQ's over standard TCP/IP
thanks.
- nycole365, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3The Scientologists also tried to get there message out at the Boston Marathon yesterday - handing out Dianetics flyers and abllons. What a place to promote
- peachpeach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1mirror?
- mahsah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Man, I think even Voltaire would find it hard to defend these guys...
- Hardcase, on 11/14/2007, -8/+28CULT OF THE CAPS LOCK STEALS LOWERCASE LETTERS FROM VIRGINIA TECH
- theokandroid, on 11/14/2007, -2/+11Why cant people just come to terms with the fact that nothing could have prevented it. There's no blame behind this except the person who did it. He obviously was obviously mentally unstable and all these people arguing over gun laws, videogames, and now scientology are just ridiculous. Why is it so hard to understand that a person can go crazy and go ***** and there's not a whole lot you can do about it.
- qthews, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Exactly, if someone wants to do something like this, you are not going to stop him.
- SopMan99, on 11/14/2007, -2/+3amen
- geoboy, on 11/14/2007, -1/+2You had me until the "there's not a whole lot you can do about it."
You shouldn't brush off mental instability as something that can't ever be understood or prevented. - JohnFlux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nothing could have prevented it? Are you saying it couldn't have been prevented if he was given proper treatment when his mental illness was made apparent, or kept in a secure mental hospital, or even not allowing him to own a gun?
Whether the price to prevent this is too high or not is another question, but there's plenty that could have been done to prevent it. - bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@johnflux -- Yes, that's what he's saying. It's not uncommon for someone who is mentally unstable to successfully go through treatment and painstaking find a balance of medications that can be maintained for an extended period to "fix" the problems. However, side effects like impotency, feeling of 'false happiness,' lack of creativity, etc often lead people to stop taking their meds. They often justify it by saying things like "I'm cured" or "I really wasn't that bad; the side effects are much worse." By this point, the person might not be seeing their doctor regularly as doctor patient trust has evolved and the patient is managing fine on their own, provided they take the meds.
Once they're off their meds, it could be a long time before anyone, even their doctor or family members, know. And other violent crimes--such as Columbine--have shown that gun control wouldn't have helped. Adding more control only ensures the bad guys have better guns than everyone else.
- Fhwqhgads, on 11/14/2007, -11/+14***** SCIENTOLOGY
- wolvyne, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4http://duggmirror.com/world_news/SICK_CELEBRITY_CULT_OF_SCIENTOLOGY_ATTEMPTS_TO_CAPITALIZE_ON_VIRGINIA_TECH/
- bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3We're already familiar with duggmirror.
- diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2HTTP://DUGGMIRROR.COM
- Daolohua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Ah, caps lock. The easiest way to get noticed.
- ToasterHead219, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3why the hell don't they get charged with fraud?!?! or at least beaten
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Welcome to the capitalizing line... please take a number.
Scientology, "I have #4.. who am I behind?"
You are behind gun control, anti-gun control, and video games...
"Thanks" - roberto_deneero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'm surprised it's not the Mormons in on this one.
- atariman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Question for everyone. Why is this act not considered "terrorism"? Had it been an Arab shooter, that's the first thing that would have been spread by the mass media.
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Are you asking this question in every post?
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Same can be said on the people blaming this on the NRA.
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2I'm actually amazed PETA hasn't said something about eating dogs yet.
- illegalamigo, on 11/14/2007, -2/+13It seems Digg users hate Scientologists more than Christians!
A minor victory for Christians everywhere.- derdrache, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I highly doubt people consider scientology a religion in any sense of the word. Religion in practice can be a very useful "club" yet it is so over emphasized by most sects that religion looses most of its appeal and sanity. Digg users seem to speak out against Chrisitans and christianity because of recent events. Radical Muslims give Islam a bad name and cause radical christians to come out of the wood work. Meanwhile, the third party of Atheists sit idle and watch both religions duke it out for members all the while wondering what the point is. Differences among people is ok as long as you don't try to assimilate others to your way of thinking. Let people be unique.
Sad state of affairs.
- derdrache, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I highly doubt people consider scientology a religion in any sense of the word. Religion in practice can be a very useful "club" yet it is so over emphasized by most sects that religion looses most of its appeal and sanity. Digg users seem to speak out against Chrisitans and christianity because of recent events. Radical Muslims give Islam a bad name and cause radical christians to come out of the wood work. Meanwhile, the third party of Atheists sit idle and watch both religions duke it out for members all the while wondering what the point is. Differences among people is ok as long as you don't try to assimilate others to your way of thinking. Let people be unique.
- xeno439, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2That's the worst designed site I have ever seen. Anyone else seeing dog poo on FF for that site?
- Stormwysper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Is it really that necessary to have the title in all caps?
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5SICK: DIGG SUBMITTER ATTEMPTS TO CAPITALIZE EVERY LETTER
- themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This is actually important though and deserves caps. Scientology must be stopped.
- cclasby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1What's with the censorship?
- je12u, on 11/14/2007, -2/+31. come up w/ some off the wall *****
2. find mindless people to worship every word you say
3. ???
4. Profit!
"Do you wish to look as happy as me? Well, you've got the power inside you right now. So use it. And send $1 to Happy Dude" - Sertis, on 11/14/2007, -1/+4I suggest you all hear this song to find out how wonderful Scientology really is!
http://www.rhymetorrents.com/disc6/09%20-%20MC%20Lars%20-%20Scientology%20=%20WTF.mp3 - roywaits, on 02/02/2008, -2/+2In no way do I believe or support scientologists, however I think anti-depressants are prescribed all to often (RTA) and we don't really know their side-effects or how they effect different people... The scientologists want to know what phyciatric medicine the shooter was on, and I'm rather curious too. I'd also like to read the whole press release, not an excerpt.
- yardApe, on 11/14/2007, -2/+5That's about what I'd expect from a group that's pushing Tom Cruise as the "Jesus of this age."
- concertina, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1dig down
- anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_s_Anti_psychiatry_CCHR_is_exploiting_the_recent_VA_shootings - non-caps version for the caplock obsessed
http://www.cchr.org/index.cfm/9027/19828 - This is the official CCHR press release
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/06/entertainment/main2655750.shtml - This is how Scientology is going to prey on 9-11 firefighters on the 19th. Tom Cruise is promoting the Scientology Detox and is holding a fundraiser for it- heffae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3From the CCHR press release I am drawing the conclusion that people who crazy tend to commit murder.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all of the people who are listed had mental problems BEFORE their medication. Isn't it far more likely that their treatment wasn't adequate (they may have just been too crazy for anything to work) than that Prozac caused this.
- heffae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3From the CCHR press release I am drawing the conclusion that people who crazy tend to commit murder.
- anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_s_Anti_psychiatry_CCHR_is_exploiting_the_recent_VA_shootings - non-caps version for the caplock obsessed
http://www.cchr.org/index.cfm/9027/19828 - This is the official CCHR press release
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/06/entertainment/main2655750.shtml - This is how Scientology is going to prey on 9-11 firefighters on the 19th. Tom Cruise is promoting the Scientology Detox and is holding a fundraiser for it - seizethanight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1omg Tom Cruise drinks Penta water... i need to stop drinking that stuff
- anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2oops, accidental doublepost.
- Cutkomp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Didn't Scientology get taken over by that evil cult known as the IRS?
- tim507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If you want to see the big list of other celebrity scientologist's check this out.
http://www.digg.com/world_news/Scientology_s_Star_Power_Pics_Included
Direct link: http://wbztv.com/slideshows/photoalbum_slideshow_029111731
Some celebrities,...you would never know.. - diluded000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I was reading that the counselors practice command hypnosis in their sessions. But that is a term used by psychologist, who Scientologist try to discredit. Wonder why.
- dlaffoon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1psychiatric drugs ***** up people's brain chemistry?
Can't argue with that - MadOgre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Rename them to the "Southern Death Cult"?
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