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- TruthKid, on 06/03/2009, -0/+8Glad justice finds a way of catching up with everyone. It's a shame that Rwanda didn't get as much coverage as it should. Granted I was in 4th grade during it, one would think within a few years a social studies class would have covered it somewhat. Fortuantely Hotel Rwanda and Sometimes In April were produced to cast some light on one of Africa's many ugly chapters. If you haven't seen either, I would suggest you do so, great flicks.
- hakkola, on 06/03/2009, -1/+8How has Finland ceased to be a great country? I'm curious.
There probably wasn't any knowledge that the guy was involved, he may have come from anywhere in Europe, and had refugee status. It's not like they can investigate every aspect of someone's life when they seek entrance into a country. - svendm, on 06/03/2009, -0/+7They feel they can because
1) While Rwanda wants him extradited, the Finnish authorities don't think he can get a fair trial there, and
2) They can prosecute due to the 'nature of the crime' - i.e. Genocide is a crime against humanity, and as such can be prosecuted anywhere, in their opinion,
hence:
3) Finnish law permits the prosecuting people for genocide whether or not the crime was committed within their borders. That's not an uncommon thing, other European nations have similar laws on the books, and have prosecuted people (Somalis, Rwandians) for it. - McReynolds, on 06/03/2009, -0/+6Go get 'em. Get 'em all.
Genocide is genocide, cold, heartless and defies everything moral. There is no jurisdiction that has no jurisdiction over a genocide matter.
There should be no place in the world that is safe for such monsters. Just give them a fair trial, it is more painful than an outright sentencing. - Bloodboiler, on 06/03/2009, -1/+54) Finnish law does not permit extraditing person who would receive a death penalty.
I assume this potentially means that if Finnish authorities caught Osama Bin Laden, extraditing him to US would be out of the question. - youri, on 06/03/2009, -5/+8How was this guy allowed to immigrate into finland anyway?
That makes me really sad for them. It used to be a great nation. - Bloodboiler, on 06/03/2009, -0/+3I believe he moved in with a false identity.
- Bloodboiler, on 06/03/2009, -1/+4Being trialed for heinous crimes in Finland is a jackpot. We have about as nice prisons as prisons can be, and we don't keep people in those for long.
- Friskus, on 06/03/2009, -0/+3The International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (based in Tanzania) allows trials to be held in a limited number of other countries.
- TheMagician2007, on 06/03/2009, -0/+3He'll soon be free anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment#Fin ...
- UncleRage, on 06/03/2009, -1/+4http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/ma ...
Thanks for playing. - TruthKid, on 06/03/2009, -0/+2I suppose that was a given, the media didn't really give a ***** about Darfur either
- c0mputar, on 06/03/2009, -1/+3Seesh I didn't think people like you were on digg... I guess I was mistaken. Clearly your society has a long way to go when even those who surf such liberal websites like digg are sympathetic to the medieval ways of your country. I don't care if somehow this individual was 100% guilty based on unachievable amounts of evidence, which, for Saudi Arabia, the court system is pathetic and so I suspect that half of the convicts in your prisons are innocent. Next, for this one case, let's say I don't care if he was sentenced to death, that is that the death penalty is still in effect. However, I do care when the punishment is done in such a bloody fashion out in public. When society itself and in unity condones and actively carries out such punishments, it becomes clear how far behind and how sinister their morals are, compared to the rest of the developed world. I wouldn't take a vacation in the middle-east even if I was paid to.
- balthcat, on 06/03/2009, -1/+3How about... don't come to our country if you don't want us to prosecute you for warcrimes?
See Canada's recent first-time conviction of similar.
See also numerous laws internationally against sex tourism, wherein it is a punishable crime to have committed an act in another country (ie: an internal affair) - maz2331, on 06/03/2009, -0/+2Guess I got dugg down by SS sympathisers.
- nikki2300dk, on 06/03/2009, -0/+1Thanks, that was really interesting. Not just the Finnish one, but reading about all the countries.
I like the Dutch system and others that take it literally. Life is until you die. Otherwise what's the point? Unfortunately in Denmark, where I live, we have one of the most stupid polices where it's rare a life sentence goes beyond 16 years. - maz2331, on 06/03/2009, -3/+4Exactly where does Finland derive jurisdiction over this case from?
I could see maybe trying it in the ICC, if Rwanda is a signatory granting it jurisdiction, but no nation's court should ever take on what really are internal criminal matters of another country.
And please don't cite Nuremburg - that was simply victor's justice wrapped in the appearance of a court. - c0mputar, on 06/05/2009, -0/+1I'm Canadian, and we're in Afghanistan because of 9/11. Afghanistan's ruling people, the Taliban, were conclusively linked to the attack and the way the country functioned was oppressive, showed no sign of civilizing, and would've attacked again if they weren't confronted. And, we don't torture.
Even if I was an American, what my country does has no bearing on me because I don't support it, nor do half the country. You, on the other hand, support your views.
I'm personally surprised at how divisive the USA is on every single issue.
Lastly, although I am profoundly against torture, the torture of suspected terrorists [even if all of the western countries were guilty of this, which only one is and won't be for long] does not match up to the public executions of suspected criminals. - sensor, on 06/03/2009, -0/+1Here's a few more Finnish sources (in english):
http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/06/genocide_ch ...
http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/02/finland_wil ... - TruthKid, on 06/03/2009, -1/+1I agree, it seems that there is easily a case for war crimes for his participaton in genocide of the Hutus of Rwanda.
- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -0/+0Don't you think, it's about time! Convene the International Criminal Court!
- inactive, on 06/03/2009, -2/+1c0mputar, you criticize my country because you disagree with our ways. I understand that our ways seem alien to you. For this, you judge, but for your flaws, I do not judge you. The United States and Europe have a strong system of crime and punishment, yet we hear tales of your people torturing mine in prisons like Guantanamo Bay. Then, there is what is called "plea bargaining", in which a rapist will admit to carrying live ammunition in order to avoid his punishment for raping. As a society, you flood your minds with thoughts of money and pornography. Yet, I have never myself been to your country, so I cannot judge you, as I have never been in your position. Yes, we execute in Saudi Arabia, but no criminal goes without punishment. We have no OJ Simpson trials. Though I am aggravated by your view that "people like me" have "sinister morals", I will not say that you are a bad person. Our ways are alien to each other, but I refuse to admit that one is better than the other. Think about the fact that your people have invaded the Middle East to impose your views and form of secular government. We do not want this as a people. Please, do not assume you are better than us, as I will not do the same to you.
- inactive, on 06/03/2009, -2/+1A little over a decade ago. Wow.
- inactive, on 06/03/2009, -4/+1You know what's funny, UncleRage? I was there, as was my eldest son. I did not execute him myself, but I saw this. I wasn't thrilled, but I do not feel sorry for such a vile man.
- maz2331, on 06/03/2009, -6/+2Don't get me wrong - we should have executed the NAZI leadership, but trials were really not necessary for that. Losing a war can (and maybe should) mean that the leadership loses their lives.
War is a brutal business. - inactive, on 06/03/2009, -10/+1I do not understand this. Why would one wait fifteen years to prosecute? If this happened in my city of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, we would give this individual a public "trial" if he were not given a formal trial. He killed many people who received no trial. I respect the Western way of law, but acts of genocide should be treated as acts of war, not simply crimes.
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