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Russians troops force Georgians to clean South Ossetia
news.yahoo.com — Russian troops and their armed allies forced Georgian men to clean the streets of South Ossetia's bombed-out capital Saturday, avenging Georgia's attack on the breakaway province a week ago. Three teams of ethnic Georgian men in their 40s and 50s were seen hauling debris from the streets of Tskhinvali...
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- Stevanoski, on 08/16/2008, -41/+18Reckon where code pink and all the antiwar protesters are? Isn't Sean Penn going to fly to Georgia to let the Soviets know they can't go to war? Oh, forgot, it is only if America is going to battle that the Left cares.
- iancgi, on 08/17/2008, -17/+10America invades countries over lies. Russia was invaded by Georiga, all it did was protect its people.
Take the red pill sir youre still in the matrix- weeFred, on 08/18/2008, -5/+11What are you talking about? The Georgia army never left Georgia...
- wright3279, on 08/18/2008, -2/+5You need to get your information correct. Start doing some reading.
- LocalDocal, on 08/18/2008, -0/+5Yes, Russia went to war to protect its people. The people who became Russians when Russia decided one day to start passing citizenship out like candy.
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -1/+6"Russia was invaded by Georiga"
please pass me some of what that guy is smoking - bumb1ebee, on 08/18/2008, -1/+6All she did was protect her people? This conflict is way more complex than that. Dude seriously, stop eating up Russia's propaganda.
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -2/+0@LocalDocal, stupid, ossetians requested passports, not citizenship.
- charlietuna, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1I heard that the passports were issued a few weeks in advance. How do bombs protect "your" people?
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+4no georgians did not invade russia.
they did, however, launched an all out attack on South Ossetia which at the time (since 1992) was under tri-lateral peace-keeping force (georgian, russian and ossetian, 500 soldier each). that peace keeping force was mandated by United Nations.
now, overnight large number of civilians were killed, some 15 peacekeepers killed, the town of Tskhinvali nearly leveled with cannon and rocket fire.
russia had every right and in fact obligation to protect the civilian population.
this has nothing to do with any of their territorial disputes (russia doesnt claim any land there) or any kind of "revenge". the passport issue which keeps coming up is nothing but FUD. any former citizen of soviet union could apply for russian citizenship and so Ossetians did, just like anyone else who wanted to.
bottom line: the "big bad russia agressor" story just doesnt add up. - DuffyDirect, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3you have no proof that the georgian attack was actually responsible for the civilian casualties, *****. the whole thing could have been a set-up by the russians and they could have been the ones that killed all those people.
- Parapadrifter, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1DuffyDirect... proof? lol when did you become a conspiratist?
- DuffyDirect, on 08/18/2008, -3/+2sean penn went to iraq and met with sadam you idiot, lol
- iancgi, on 08/17/2008, -17/+10America invades countries over lies. Russia was invaded by Georiga, all it did was protect its people.
- pdizz, on 08/16/2008, -50/+100Clean up your own mess. Makes sense to me.
- supermajic, on 08/18/2008, -1/+17Aren't these men civilians?
- SuperMoses, on 08/18/2008, -3/+25They should've made the Georgian military clean this up. It's not the fault of the civilians.
- Jacare, on 08/18/2008, -5/+4the Georgian civilians elected the man responsible for this. in a way it is ther fault
- chungmaster, on 08/18/2008, -0/+10So we should clean up Iraq, Afghanistan, and god knows where else?
- barc0001, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1True, but it's hard to get someone who bugged out to clean something up. I believe there are no Georgian troops handy?
- warsongs7, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2The powerless ones caught in the middle are always the people who suffer.
- floorman56, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Grab that junk and take it to that big open pit.... No... don't worry about all the shooting you hear out of the pit.
- x060t, on 08/18/2008, -0/+0Agree, but we haven't yet mastered the art of resurrection to allow militaty to clean after themselves. Jokes aside, Georgians even refused to come and take their dead soldiers to bury them with honor. Forcing civilians to clean the mess is actually a bad idea - will only further raise hatred between nations. If we had many Georgian military captives - would be best option to use them instead.
- SuperMoses, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2@chungmaster
Definitely.. and pay mass reparations for the damages done.
@Jacare: Despite what the media has been saying, Georgia isn't much of a democracy.
- DuffyDirect, on 08/18/2008, -0/+7someone should send pdizz to the south pacific to scrub bikini atoll
- TheMerky1, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1it's still there? I thought it was blasted away.
- TheMerky1, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2In Soviet Russia, ethnic cleanses YOU!
- kults, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2Arbeit macht frei?
***** you. - ivandir, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1Pete Albrecht (pdizz)
A 27 year-old guy from Michigan (US) who joined Digg on May 11th, 2008
I hope the Iraqis or whomever it may be make you clean up the mess you have caused in the middle east. We'll see how much you like that.
- supermanred, on 08/17/2008, -33/+24Just pray that nobody forces you Americans to clean up your mess in Iraq. Imagine Americans being forced to fly there, treat children's wounds, rebuild schools and mosques and *****...
I'd pay to watch that.- Stevanoski, on 08/17/2008, -22/+3I'd pay to have you be one of the mess we cleaned up.
- 00z003, on 08/17/2008, -5/+24hmm, maybe that should be the goal of Service Nation: to send neocon chickenhawks over to Iraq to clean up the mess.
- proliance, on 08/17/2008, -13/+23Americans are already building schools, roads, improving sanitation and other basic needs.
You however, ignore what is happening and I guarantee have done nothing to help the Iraqis or anybody else.- LeekMibles, on 08/17/2008, -9/+5"You however, ignore what is happening and I guarantee have done nothing to help the Iraqis or anybody else."
Where is he from? Is he supposed to? - wrathofg0d, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5"already"
It's been more than four years.
- LeekMibles, on 08/17/2008, -9/+5"You however, ignore what is happening and I guarantee have done nothing to help the Iraqis or anybody else."
- Rayhush, on 08/18/2008, -3/+7Yay!! We Americans are now rebuilding the basic necessities of life that we ..... oh *****... they had all that before right?
- heliox, on 08/18/2008, -4/+1***** Canadian...figures.
- richmomz, on 08/17/2008, -44/+41"They are cleaning up after themselves," said Mikhail Mindzayev, South Ossetia's interior minister.
Damn straight. - ufia, on 08/17/2008, -13/+2Ruskyowned!
- AeroMerde, on 08/17/2008, -31/+59They're not cleaning up after themselves. They're cleaning up after the mess caused by seperatists.
"The Russian officer threatened to arrest an Associated Press photographer if he took pictures, and would not give his name."
Gotta love those Russians. If this were about America, there would be a dozen comments condemning everyone from the officer to the Bush administration for trying to bury the media.- mantzdapantz, on 08/18/2008, -14/+3yea well it's not America. what point are you trying to make?
- natenovs, on 08/18/2008, -1/+10that there are a bunch of freaking hypocrites in the world.
- Bith8654, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2@natenovs, though I won't go so far as to say the majority of America isn't hypocritical, I will say that in this particular case I think the reason more people aren't freaking out is because the majority of Americans don't know what the story is behind it all. I hear some people saying Russia is ***** over Georgia, while others insist Russia is defending itself from an attack from Georgia. Wikipedia has what seems like a good article explaining why this is all happening (if it's wrong let me know).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Georgia-Russia_c ...
- zofsky, on 08/18/2008, -9/+1where have you been the past week? in a hole?
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -12/+23Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. You'll be hard pressed to find a handful of people on Digg who will support that invasion, yet it seems that Diggers are falling over themselves to support the invasion of a sovereign democracy in Georgia by Russia, a de facto dictatorship.
What's more, Russia's claim that Georgia was "massacring" its own citizens in South Ossetia is not believed by any credible news source or government.- jonmlm, on 08/18/2008, -14/+4georgia's a client state of the us. sounds like you haven't fact checked your comment.
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -7/+11If by "client state" you mean "ally" then sure. They also have a democratically elected government. Perhaps they are allies with the US because they fear exactly what happened here - an emasculated Russia lashing out, trying to regain a place on the world stage that will never be coming back.
- kooft, on 08/18/2008, -3/+12"Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people."
When he was being supported by the US, otherwise why did the invasion happen 10-20 years later? Would it be acceptable, in your book, for Russia to sit back and let Georgia reclaim South Ossetia and then completely destroy Georgia 10 years later? Or do you mean the 91 invasion which saw the US sit idly by, after liberating Kuwait, and watch Saddam massacre the Shia uprising that the US itself encouraged?
"You'll be hard pressed to find a handful of people on Digg who will support that invasion..."
Iraq was a sovereign state when it was invaded. Sure it had a different system of government than the US but that doesn't make it less sovereign. Iraq never attacked the US, nor did it attack any of its own neighbors (after the first gulf war). The US invaded Iraq on the pretext that Saddam wasn't living up to his international treaties. Since Russia and Georgia had a treaty, and Georgia violated it, wouldn't that justify Russia's invasion?
Don't forget, the US completely destroyed the civilian infrastructure of Iraq and disbanded the civilian government thus driving the country into chaos. Did Russia take the Georgian president and hand him over to a bunch of angry Ossetians for a 'trial'?
"What's more, Russia's claim that Georgia was "massacring" its own citizens in South Ossetia is not believed by any credible news source or government."
The proof of genocide and/or massacres has yet to be seen be either side, but we do know that Georgia shelled civilian targets (including Russian peacekeepers) to trigger this current conflict. If Russia was hellbent on reclaiming Georgia then why did they lift economic sanctions earlier this month? Why did Russia not attack Georgia when they shelled South Ossetia in July, but instead recommended that Georgia sign document renouncing the use of force?
I'm not saying Russia is the bastion of democracy in the free world and that they didn't act heavy handed, but the US clearly has a lower set of standards for invading sovereign nations. - NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -4/+8Are you ***** with me? Show me one news source that denies the accusations of the Tskhinvali attack or the murder of at least 1,400 civilians, Georgian government isn't even denying this. Hell the information didn't even come from Russia, it came from South Ossetia before Russia was even involved.
How is this ***** honestly getting dugg up? - card51short, on 08/18/2008, -4/+3Ridiculous...Georgia snuck attack the Russians in the middle of the night!!
- warsongs7, on 08/18/2008, -3/+2@randyzaia - If by 'democratically elected' you mean the man who will serve as the US of A's agent then you are undeniably correct.
- wpi97, on 08/19/2008, -0/+3"Show me one news source that denies the accusations of the Tskhinvali attack or the murder of at least 1,400 civilians"
Here you go:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/14/georgi ...
It appears that so far there were 44 confirmed deaths as a result of the Georgian attack on Tskhinvali. The number of wounded, mostly military personnel, appears to be less than 250. http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/10/georgi1 ...
"How is this ***** honestly getting dugg up?"
How indeed? - wpi97, on 08/19/2008, -0/+3@kooft
"When he was being supported by the US, otherwise why did the invasion happen 10-20 years later?"
Because before 1991 Saddam was a useful counterbalance against Iran. After 1991 he became much more of a liability, which outweighed his usefulness. I believe it is as simple as that.
"Iraq never attacked the US, nor did it attack any of its own neighbors (after the first gulf war)."
Wrong. After the first gulf war Saddam violated the no-fly zones a number of times, and hostilities with Iraq periodically flared up. http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/31/news/mn-59 ...
"Don't forget, the US completely destroyed the civilian infrastructure of Iraq and disbanded the civilian government thus driving the country into chaos. Did Russia take the Georgian president and hand him over to a bunch of angry Ossetians for a 'trial'?"
I doubt there is much of Georgian infrastructure was left intact after the Russian offensive. And I think the international pressure is the only reason why Saakashvili is still alive and in power.
"I'm not saying Russia is the bastion of democracy in the free world and that they didn't act heavy handed, but the US clearly has a lower set of standards for invading sovereign nations."
Oh, please... If the list of countries invaded by Russia/USSR is shorter than the list of countries invaded by the US, it is only because the USSR didn't have the resources to make it longer. And the "standards" are always the same: protecting once interests, and expanding one's influence. These are just the "official" invasions:
Finland, 1940
Hungary, 1956
Czechoslovakia, 1968
Afghanistan, 1979-1989
Georgia, 2008
We are not counting Soviet involvement in various other conflicts around the world (Korea, Viet Nam, Nicaragua, Middle East), the flooding of the developing world with AK-47s, and the Russian war in Chechnya, which was no more justified than Georgian attempt to reassert its sovereignty over South Ossetia.
- NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -8/+10I know, because the Western media really needs government intervention to spew propaganda, right?
The separatists didn't bomb a civilian city at night, in fact, those separatists lived in the city for 12 years, if you truly believe that is made up by the Russian press then I'm sorry. - djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -9/+10yeah, the 2000 dead ossetians are at fault for littering the streets with their limbs after georgia committed acts of geneocide upon them.
- wpi97, on 08/19/2008, -0/+2It turns out that number of dead Ossetians is less than 50.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/14/georgi ... Genocide is a very serious accusation. Please refrain from using it lightly, and if you do, please spell it correctly.
- wpi97, on 08/19/2008, -0/+2It turns out that number of dead Ossetians is less than 50.
- ZenMojo, on 08/18/2008, -2/+5The mess caused by separatists in their own independent region by the rockets they begged Georgia to shoot at them? Why are people digging you up?
- mantzdapantz, on 08/18/2008, -14/+3yea well it's not America. what point are you trying to make?
- mikesoba, on 08/17/2008, -16/+5If this were about America (and it certainly sounds that way), then you would be listening to Fox News, propaganda arm of the neo-cons and Bush.
- xsquirrel378x, on 08/18/2008, -2/+1what?
- holzp, on 08/18/2008, -3/+64My wife does the same thing with me. She says marriage overrides the Geneva Convention. :(
- donkz, on 08/18/2008, -9/+5Halliburton is looking at expansion opportunities for more overblown government contacts
- weirdo50, on 08/18/2008, -8/+38I can see how you would make the bad-guys clean up their mess... but I'm pretty sure some of these Georgian men did not take part in attacking South Ossetia.
- trumpcard, on 08/18/2008, -9/+38Sakashvili has gone mental & is busy eating his tie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wOzZdWWYM- tehcobra, on 08/18/2008, -1/+9OM NOM NOM NOM
- zenithmbr, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2DO CONCLUSIONS!
- DarthDiabetes, on 08/18/2008, -1/+1Shopped.
- luckless, on 08/18/2008, -0/+7dugg for the BBC one liner "the Georgian president chews over his next move"
- justinx0r, on 08/18/2008, -13/+75They're forcing ethnic Georgians who had nothing to do with the conflict to clean up the mess. It's ridiculous and it's slave labor.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+7agreed. and unacceptable.
it would be great if MSM would also cover the death and destruction of Tskhinvai by the georgian army.- ZenMojo, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2I'm sure they would if there was a Tskhinvali. Last time I checked on Georgia state TV, there's no such city and it has never existed.
- Amnesia10, on 08/18/2008, -4/+5It is also probably illegal under international law, under cruel and degrading treatment. Plus Slavery.
Considering that the Georgians were restoring control over South Ossetia, a internationally recognised part of Georgia when the Russians invaded, it is like the Mexicans invading Texas because the FBI were arresting Mexicans. This is out and out aggression by the Russians.- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -3/+1thats not what happened.
there was peace keeping force in Ossetia which has been wanting to break away from Georgia since 1992.
Georgia decided to break all agreements and launch an all out attack on Ossetia, killing scores of civilians and 15 peace keepers.
i dont know what you call "restore law and order" but i'd say this is a bit too much even for Texas.
not to mention under these circumstances Russia was under obligation to protect civilians. which, i repeat, were under cannon and rocket fire attack from Georgian forces.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -3/+1thats not what happened.
- nagug, on 08/18/2008, -1/+0We elect our leaders!!!..oh is that called democracy?
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+7agreed. and unacceptable.
- thesparrowband, on 08/18/2008, -5/+31that sucks. they're just citizens, not the politicians who started the whole thing.
- flogistan, on 08/18/2008, -3/+6Didn't we make german towns people clean up the concentration camps?
- kooft, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3Yes, but to be fair the German towns people sat idly by while millions of Jews were being slaughtered. If I'm not mistaken some of the local factories benefited from forced labor of these prisoners. The towns people were forced to clean up a mess they contributed to.
The ethnic Georgians in South Ossetia didn't launch an attack, the Georgian military did. There's a big difference and we don't know who these force laborers are. If they're Georgian military, then forcing them to clean up is a very fitting punishment. FTA:
"Lyudmila Bitoyeva, a resident of Tskhinvali in her 40s, said her family hosted five Georgian workers who were forced to clean streets and pick up wreckage after the fighting subsided."
It doesn't sound like they were local people if Ossetians are having to 'host' them.
- kooft, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3Yes, but to be fair the German towns people sat idly by while millions of Jews were being slaughtered. If I'm not mistaken some of the local factories benefited from forced labor of these prisoners. The towns people were forced to clean up a mess they contributed to.
- flogistan, on 08/18/2008, -3/+6Didn't we make german towns people clean up the concentration camps?
- Hegemony, on 08/18/2008, -11/+66Russia sure sings a different tune about "breakaway provinces" when it's not Chechnya.
- KDX200rider, on 08/18/2008, -6/+32Excellent point Hegemony. The point here is that Russia will benefit from their actions. You do need to be careful, bringing up intelligent points of view is frowned upon here on Digg. You need to just go along with the Digg droids and their version of the truth...so repeat after me Bush sucks, Obama is god. (But by god we don't mean it in a religious way, because we don't like religion here on Digg.)
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+2lemme see if i can make a simple point:
fire: for cooking is good, for destruction is not good;
drugs: for curing illnesses is good, for junkies not so good;
music: for pleasure at a statium is good, middle of the night, loud not so good;
is pattern emerging for you here?
what russians did this time was a good thing. the georgians ***** ***** up for a lot of people. so call it as it is. and when and if russians ***** up in the future (or have in the past) well call it that then.
whether what georgians brought upon themselves has ulterior benefit to the russians is IRRELEVANT to georgians having murdered unknown as yet number of civilians. these war crimes should be investigated and the guilty punished. one can't hide behind an umbrella of "democratic" this or that and commit war crimes with impunity.
anyone who seriously opposes an investigation into alleged crimes by the georgians in Ossetia i consider a dishonest person.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+2lemme see if i can make a simple point:
- volandkit, on 08/18/2008, -8/+3FYI Chechnya was almost independent after 1997, when Russia signed a treaty. But then terror acts such as blowing buildings, kidnapping, killing, invasion of other Russian provinces occurred. I don't see analogy with Ossetia. Do you know something that nobody in the world know? Then share it, don't be shy.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2i dont care who's right and who's wrong about who these provinces belong to, but you just dont go out and kill people by bombing them just to "retake" those provinces, okay? hours prior to Georgian attack the Georgians and the Ossetians were attemting to negotiate only to wake up in the middle of the night to all out shelling and rocketing of their sleeping city.
and shame on western community for sitting on their ass while the only country to step in and help those poor people out were the big bad russians.
go on, digg me down you hypocrites. - weeFred, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2Well Georgia did claim that separatists were shelling on the 1st, everybody seems to be ignoring that fact though. People also seem to be ignoring the fact that Russian troops are still advancing into Georgia, blowing up bridges, forcing civilians to do labour, etc.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1@weeFred: that claim may or may not be the truth and is worthy of an investigation. however even if true that does not warrant indiscriminate shelling of a peaceful town.
and furthermore it doesnt justify american MSM silence about these events. the west really lost a lot of credibility because of this.
and, btw, Georgian regime as it turning out isnt much of a democracy. i'm learning now that it has systematically gotten rid of meaningful anti-Saakashvili opposition. one thing is quite obvious is Saakashvili is a liar and probably a war criminal and should face justice.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2i dont care who's right and who's wrong about who these provinces belong to, but you just dont go out and kill people by bombing them just to "retake" those provinces, okay? hours prior to Georgian attack the Georgians and the Ossetians were attemting to negotiate only to wake up in the middle of the night to all out shelling and rocketing of their sleeping city.
- vxp19, on 08/18/2008, -6/+5Chechnya was independent after the first Chechen war.
and as has been said, kidnappings/illegal arms trade/terrorist acts/etc only increased.
the western media also failed to report that the second chechen war (which chechnya lost, quite miserably) started after the independent and free chechnya attacked Dagestan (another Russian republic).
I also fail to see any parallels to South Ossetia.- caveman84, on 08/18/2008, -2/+0Chechnya lost "quite miserably" you say my friend, yeah we lost it but we gave russians one helluva fight, they lost ***** load of soldiers and hardware before they took grozny, and that is an achievement if you consider the size of Russia. and russian regular soldiers had to get drunk to be brave enough to face Chechnyan freedom fighters.
- Grolsch, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Well go visit Chechnya then, I am sure its very lovely place...
- TheMerky1, on 08/18/2008, -2/+0Bit of a difference between the two:
Chechneya is full of people who don't want to be part of Russia but technically (in terms of international recognition) are.
South Ossetia is full of people who DO want to be part of Russia but technically are part of Georgia. The majority of the citizens even went to Russia to get citizenship and passports since the Georgian government would not give them their own. So they pretty much ARE Russians, there's just the matter of redrawing the lines on the map.
- KDX200rider, on 08/18/2008, -6/+32Excellent point Hegemony. The point here is that Russia will benefit from their actions. You do need to be careful, bringing up intelligent points of view is frowned upon here on Digg. You need to just go along with the Digg droids and their version of the truth...so repeat after me Bush sucks, Obama is god. (But by god we don't mean it in a religious way, because we don't like religion here on Digg.)
- Engine24, on 08/18/2008, -7/+1A fine excuse for big corporates to make money
- ileftfark, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Do you even read before you post?
- nirvanix, on 08/18/2008, -17/+4Sounds fair to me - they made the mess, they can clean it up. that's what my mother taught me.
- Bkaufman, on 08/18/2008, -2/+1That is such a gross oversimplification that i'm not going to respond in detail. Try looking at both sides. Georgia didn't decide to invade South Ossetia randomly.
- amanilaenvelope, on 08/18/2008, -19/+25At first i thought it was Georgia that was being the victim in this conflict and that Russia was the aggressor but it was vice versa (Mainly due to the politicians) . Reality slaps me hard to see that American media can not always be trusted.
And i also think that it should be the Georgian army that should clean up the mess they did.- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -8/+4dude you realize that its a breakaway province also that there where bombs coming from said province on Thursday. on oh a countries whole military can't invade a country within in a day(with no notice) unless it was planed
- falser, on 08/18/2008, -3/+5Dude, wake up. Go onto youtube/ireport/anything and listen to first-hand accounts. Georgia attacked an independent terrority. And the US media is in full force spreading the administration's anti-Russia propaganda. And everyone is just eating it up without listening to the truth of what's really going on.
- kooft, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4"on oh a countries whole military can't invade a country within in a day(with no notice) unless it was planed"
You do realize that Russian peacekeepers were killed in the shelling by Georgia, right? You also realize that Georgia shelled South Ossetia more than a month earlier, right? Perhaps Russia got a hint the first time and moved forces into the region after the first shelling. - jemman, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2To consider South Ossetia a breakaway province of Georgia you would also have to say that Georgia itself is a breakaway province from Russia. Even during the USSR period of control, the Ossetians were attempting to get recognition as an autonomous republic separate from Georgia. The Ossetians have never considered their land as part of Georgia have always wanted their independence.
And as far as Russia's quick response to Georgian aggression, of course they were prepared. The Russians knew that a military attack of South Ossetia was probable after the refusal of Saakashvili to sign a non use of force agreement and his augmentation of the military. The increase of military personnel from the US and Israel that were training Georgian forces also was a warning sign. Any president or general worth his salt would have took measures in case of that eventuality.
- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -8/+4dude you realize that its a breakaway province also that there where bombs coming from said province on Thursday. on oh a countries whole military can't invade a country within in a day(with no notice) unless it was planed
- ExplosivesWTC, on 08/18/2008, -19/+8Good! The Russians should also charge them with murdering over 2000 innocent citizens. The genocide done by the Georgians to the South Ossetians was beyond anything since Hitler or maybe Blackwater in Iraq. Russia should just take over South Ossetia so they can never kill those people again. The cowardly US backed Georgian troops just shot up women and children for kicks. Typical US tactic like in Iraq, kill everyone.
Makes me sick. Thank you Russia for coming to save those people. CNN's lies aren't working anymore, people are starting to understand what really happened.- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2sarcasm?
- ImperialRome, on 08/18/2008, -1/+3Already been proven false, the claim of 2000 dead.
Genocide ? Hardly.
But even if the story were half true, 1000 dead is still far short of Hitlers genocide, or Stalins, or Mao's, or Pol Pot in Cambodia, or Rwanda, or even Yeltsin's in Chechnya.
If the US wanted to kill everyone in Iraq, why are there still 23 million people living there? Oh, thats right, we didn't kill everyone, or even try to kill everyone. After all, its a war for oil and we arent going to drill for that oil ourselves when we have all those handy Iraqis to do it for us. Sheesh.
But then, you Truthers dont understand much beyond your blind hatred of Bush, Cheney Ashcroft Rumsfeld, Halliburton, KBR, the CIA, the DOD, the NSA, or anything remotely military.
- ironjiant, on 08/18/2008, -9/+2Don't talk to me about "You Americans" cleaning up your own mess. We did already on 9/11...A million tons of metal, ash and bloody, burnt bodies.
- ericnorris1, on 08/18/2008, -2/+1That wasnt an American mess - it was a terrorist mess (sorry, i didnt know how to spell Al-Qieda(?)).
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -29/+22Wow, the Russian propagandists are out in full force on Digg.
Of course, it goes without saying that Russia was obviously the aggressor here.- noogymmij, on 08/18/2008, -11/+2What? You are a Russian propagandist by supporting Russia. Georgia downed a few of the helicopters and killed a ton of South Ossetians...
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -6/+7You're a Russian propagandist by repeating blatantly false Russian propaganda. You would be hard pressed to find a reputable news organization on either side of the political spectrum that believes the pro-Russian ***** that is being spouted on these Digg threads.
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -3/+6Not to mention the fact that if Georgia did in fact "down Russian helicopters," which I dispute - those are Russian helicopters flying around without permission on Georgian territory. Georgia is not part of Russia.
- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -3/+3South Ossetians are rebels for one thing now ingoreing that there was rockets coming from there country the day before all this happened
- ExplosivesWTC, on 08/18/2008, -14/+7You are an idiot. Why don't you look into what happened instead of worshipping CNN.
The Russians should also charge them with murdering over 2000 innocent citizens. The genocide done by the Georgians to the South Ossetians was beyond anything since Hitler or maybe Blackwater in Iraq. Russia should just take over South Ossetia so they can never kill those people again. The cowardly US backed Georgian troops just shot up women and children for kicks. Typical US tactic like in Iraq, kill everyone.
Makes me sick. Thank you Russia for coming to save those people. CNN's lies aren't working anymore, people are starting to understand what really happened.- weeFred, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5"Russia should just take over South Ossetia so they can never kill those people again"
So it's ok for russia to take over part of another state, but it's not ok for Georgia to implement law in Georgia? Oh and how exactly do you kill people again? - Kiloboba, on 08/18/2008, -5/+3Well said! Russia stepped in to protect Osettia while Georgia backed by US and EU mercenaries went berserk.
- geekee, on 08/18/2008, -2/+5The Russians armed the separatists who started the war. Your are a pawn if you can't see this was all orchestrated by Russia to sieze two provinces. Ask yourself why they took the other province where Georgia did nothing.
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+3"The Russians should also charge them with murdering over 2000 innocent citizens."
They could. Except this would be a false charge, because the number of confirmed dead in Tshinvali was 44. We are talking here about inflating the number of dead by orders of magnitude to justify a war of aggression.
http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/russia-f ... - wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+3"Russia stepped in to protect Osettia"
Sure, it did... (rolls eyes). Russia was pursuing its own geopolitical interests. If you think the Russian authorities care about the people of Ossetia, you should ask the Ossetians living in Moscow, or anybody from the Caucasus for that matter, how often they get harassed by police there. http://www.justiceinitiative.org/db/resource2?res_ ...
- weeFred, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5"Russia should just take over South Ossetia so they can never kill those people again"
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -3/+15username "ExplosivesWTC" lol
i figured the troothers would probably line up behind russia on this one..- Kiloboba, on 08/18/2008, -10/+3Your a douche bag. "Truthers" are trying to save US national sovereignty while Obama zombies seek One World order.
- Herkimer56, on 08/18/2008, -3/+13Truthers are liars and hypocrites who are exploiting the deaths of 3000 human beings and the suffering of hundreds of first responders for their own amusement.
- NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -6/+7Russian propagandists, or people who actually did research in the matter and came with the conclusion that a bombing of thousands of civilians is a good incentive to start a war, or do you consider everything you hear as propaganda unless it agrees with what you believe happened?
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -2/+10Do I believe the Economist, Jane's Defence Review, the NY Times, the Financial Times, Barron's, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC more than I believe the Russian state-run news organs? Yes. Call me crazy.
- NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -8/+1Stop listening or believing either, look through the history of the regions then research what both sides have done. You honestly think none of those networks have a clear bias to the US? If you're going to try to watch unbias media in a world event at least watch something like BBC.
Either way, all of them are reporting the same thing, no one is saying the bombing was made up, just the way they spin the words. - SRSco, on 08/18/2008, -2/+6LOL. After Randyzaia lists all sorts of credible non-propaganda media outlets NightVortez recommends he AT LEAST reads/listens/watches BBC...which is state owned.
- NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -6/+1State owned or not it's a third party with no connections to either, and it's not part of the mainstream press, who in this war have been reporting nothing but propaganda. Here is a hint - ALL NEWS on the war either comes from Georgia or Russia, neither of the networks go there to research, so instead of reporting on both sides they side with Georgia from the get go, all I'm suggesting is you actually do research on both sides before believing the ***** they spew.
I'm not suggesting that you go look at Channel 1 Russia for information, I'm suggesting you actually try to make your own decision on the matter instead of listening to different networks tell you what they think. - WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -5/+1@randyzaia: well, how about waking up to the fact that ALL the outlets you mentioned have lied to you? try this account of events by BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7551576.stm
and next time when you listen to CNN pay attention. every sentense they tend to finish with something like "we believe" or "as reported by Georgian officials". wake up call #2: georgian officials are lying through their teeth.
read that BBC account and then go and listen to what Saakashvili said in his first interview to CNN. and then make up your own mind.
- sklter84, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2Lots of thumbs downs to legitimate replies here. Good going Digg.
- noogymmij, on 08/19/2008, -0/+0Thats why everyone is leaving... to reddit.
- noogymmij, on 08/18/2008, -11/+2What? You are a Russian propagandist by supporting Russia. Georgia downed a few of the helicopters and killed a ton of South Ossetians...
- dzw120, on 08/18/2008, -7/+25Eh... these are ethnic Georgians, not Georgian soldiers, who are cleaning up the mess. That's wrong. Get Saakashvili on his knees to clean the mess, not civilians who happen to be the same race as the enemy.
- logload, on 08/18/2008, -1/+22sounds good at first, but i'm pretty sure the innocent civilians cleaning up didn't do anything wrong... :/
- wright3279, on 08/18/2008, -23/+24Have Russian apologists taken over digg? WTF?
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -5/+5It's somewhat shocking.
- DuffyDirect, on 08/18/2008, -5/+12The pravada forums (brainwashed Russians) have been linking to digg articles and telling people to register here and comment against the "anglo-yankee-zionist baboon propaganda"
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+6wonderful, now irrespective of facts, anyone who disagrees with MSM fed boo boo is a "brainwashed russian"
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -7/+5it's a good change. tired of all the bush and israeli apologists.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -4/+1i guess the truth is a powerful driver across the borders and "russians love their children too" ;)
- geekee, on 08/18/2008, -5/+3The are the standard anti-American crowd that sides with all America's enemies, whether it's Russia, Iran, Venezuela, etc.
- zofsky, on 08/18/2008, -4/+3eric cartman was right
- lamejoketeller, on 08/18/2008, -11/+11the Georgian government initiated the conflict by attacking Russian peacekeepers in S. Ossetia, so it follows...
- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -6/+6umm you do realize South Ossetians attacked first right?
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2no. proof?
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3the georgians attacked first, shelled and rocketed a sleeping town of Tskhinvali. this is pretty much common knowledge now, but you're welcome to look up on youtube to listen to eyewitness accounts.
here's a guy, you might remember the former president of USSR, who clearly thinks Saakashvili lied:
http://digg.com/world_news/Gorbachev_says_Saakashv ...
CNN is hiding this interview (try finding it off of cnn home page)
- ssjninja, on 08/18/2008, -6/+6umm you do realize South Ossetians attacked first right?
- schnikies79, on 08/18/2008, -6/+24Neither side is the good guy, simple as that.
They are both the aggressor, and both the victim.- ileftfark, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4While that sounds egalitarian, there was clearly one side that "crossed the line" and opened up the floodgates of military force. Obviously, no one really wins in a situation like this, but you can't just say no one's to blame and call it a wash. Certain people were responsible, and those people should be punished accordingly. This case is not that situation, but I refuse to sweep the incident under the carpet. To do so is a green light to the aggressors, and afford a more likely chance that this needless aggression will happen again.
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2yeah, i agree. georgia committed genocide. they are at fault.
- ileftfark, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4While that sounds egalitarian, there was clearly one side that "crossed the line" and opened up the floodgates of military force. Obviously, no one really wins in a situation like this, but you can't just say no one's to blame and call it a wash. Certain people were responsible, and those people should be punished accordingly. This case is not that situation, but I refuse to sweep the incident under the carpet. To do so is a green light to the aggressors, and afford a more likely chance that this needless aggression will happen again.
- LANGX, on 08/18/2008, -5/+3Can we send the GOOPERS to go clean up Iraq.
You bombed it. Now clean up your mess. - 420buddah, on 08/18/2008, -8/+7too bad the russians can't get bush and cheney's fat ass to clean the mess.
- spamcrusher, on 08/18/2008, -10/+7Russia needs to learn from America. Bomb the living ***** out of a city and pay Halliburton a few billion dollars to clean it all up.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -6/+5also please read and digg this story yourself and spread the word so others digg it too:
http://digg.com/world_news/Gorbachev_says_Saakashv ...
CNN is hiding this interview (try finding it off of cnn home page)- ileftfark, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2That wouldn't happen to be your own story that you're shamelessly plugging in another thread, would it? You are simply pointing out something because of your strong conviction to a cause, I'm sure.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+0oh boy, there are so many things i want to say to respond ;)
i submitted it this story to digg yes, and yes, i've been plugging it shamelessly, but if you think i'm Gorbachev than you're seriously flattering me ;)
i do this to get a very telling CNN story to the front page of digg, which has been buried by CNN on their own website clearly or at least apparently because its not in line with the official line.
and yes, i ask everyone to help and digg this story up so everyone can read and listen and make up their mind from full spectrum of information, not just the pre-filtered stuff.
if you're concerned that Mr Gorbachev needs more popularity, i assure you he's got enough ;)
lastly, even if you disagree whith what he's saying, if you believe in freedom of information and openness and liberal values, i ask you to go ahead and digg it up just so that both points of view are out in the open and people have a chance to decide with open eyes, not in the dark.
hope this isnt much to ask ;)
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+0oh boy, there are so many things i want to say to respond ;)
- ileftfark, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2That wouldn't happen to be your own story that you're shamelessly plugging in another thread, would it? You are simply pointing out something because of your strong conviction to a cause, I'm sure.
- s14sh3r, on 08/18/2008, -3/+16"Pick up that can! Now, put it in the trash can."
- redxninja, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5Dont say that to a man with a crowbar.
- ZenMojo, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Or a gravity gun. That's just irony waiting to happen.
- redxninja, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5Dont say that to a man with a crowbar.
- erhanaltay, on 08/18/2008, -12/+10Russia has always been a miserable, poverty stricken, violent tyrannical nation. I don't see why anyone even expected anything else after the fall of the Soviet Empire. You can't civilize a Russian anymore than you can make a monkey into a gentleman.
- pak314, on 08/18/2008, -2/+5Poverty stricken? Moscow is the most expensive place to live in currently. And Russia has a large supply of oil and minerals.
- erhanaltay, on 08/22/2008, -0/+1Russia's GDP Per Capita is $9,075. That is horrid considering their oil and natural resource supplies. Parts of Moscow may be expensive to live in because they are designed for the super rich who, in league with the Kremlin, control that vast natural wealth.
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -1/+3Wikipedia says Russia's only 2% higher than US in poverty rate.
- erhanaltay, on 08/22/2008, -0/+1Depends how you define 'poverty.' In America, if a family makes less than 40% of the average, they are in considered in poverty... that would mean a family with two workers making $45,000 a year would be considered in poverty. The GDP Per Capita in Russia is only $9,075 ($45,000 in USA). This means that by American standards, nearly everyone in Russia is in poverty.
- erhanaltay, on 08/22/2008, -0/+1Depends how you define 'poverty.' In America, if a family makes less than 40% of the average, they are in considered in poverty... that would mean a family with two workers making $45,000 a year would be considered in poverty. The GDP Per Capita in Russia is only $9,075 ($45,000 in USA). This means that by American standards, nearly everyone in Russia is in poverty.
- charlietuna, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1There you go, playing right into this nonsense. When the US went into Iraq I thought that the administration (our brave leaders) knew what they were doing, so I supported the invasion. Well I was wrong.
Now the Russian leaders (Putin/Medvedev) have set this up so they can look tough - we know that plans were under way for a long time. This is not about Russians any more than Bush/Cheney is about Americans. As usual leaders are cynically using this nationalistic fervor to advance their own agenda.
Hawks in the US will continually support Bush, just as a lot of Russians are convinced that this retaliatory attack (a serious ass whipping if there ever was one) has restored back Russian pride. I have little tolerance for these jerks. - DarthDiabetes, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1I vote we change the name of Kraft Russian salad dressing to "Freedom Dressing".
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1dugg down, not worty of a verbal response nazi blabber.
- pak314, on 08/18/2008, -2/+5Poverty stricken? Moscow is the most expensive place to live in currently. And Russia has a large supply of oil and minerals.
- DuffyDirect, on 08/18/2008, -8/+9The pravada forums (brainwashed Russians) have been linking to digg articles and telling people to register here and comment against the "anglo-yankee-zionist baboon propaganda"
- charlietuna, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4Digg is crawling with them this week.
- FurtThePirate, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2Link?
Otherwise GTFO!
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -7/+8If one of you Russian propaganda monkeys can point to a single article by a reputable news organization supporting your version of events I will send you a framed picture of this that you can spank it to:
http://media.canada.com/gallery/posted/0813putin47 ...- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -3/+5sure. BBC is good enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7551576.stm
"Georgian forces and separatists in South Ossetia agree to observe a ceasefire and hold Russian-mediated talks to end their long-simmering conflict.
Hours later, Georgian forces launch a surprise attack, sending a large force against the breakaway province and reaching the capital Tskhinvali."
enjoy the read!- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -3/+4I see nothing about a massacre of 2,000 civilians by Georgia. I also see nothing about Georgia attacking Russia. I do see accounts of Russian bombing of civilian targets in Georgia, as well as accounts of Russia military forces "deep inside Georgia."
And um, whether Georgia takes measures to prevent part of its country from seceding has absolutely nothing to do with Russia. - randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -4/+4"Hours later, Georgian forces launch a surprise attack, sending a large force against the breakaway province and reaching the capital Tskhinvali.""
This is like saying that the US launched a surprise attack by sending federal military forces into Connecticut. - randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -4/+4And yet more from the Russians:
"Just hours before Mr Medvedev put his signature to the ceasefire deal, Russian forces blew up a Georgian railway bridge on the main line west of the capital, Tbilisi, an act that critics interpreted as a malacious attempt to cripple the country's infrastructure. Moscow at first issued a denial, but television footage shot by the Reuters news agency clearly showed the bridge's twisted remains."
"Meanwhile, disturbing reports of abuse of ethnic Georgians in captured parts of the disputed region emerged. A group of captive soldiers were paraded in the streets of the South Ossetian capital, Tskinvali, and the bodies of at least 40 dead troops rotted in the sun.
Teams of ethnic Georgians, some under armed guard, were forced to clean the streets. It was the first apparent evidence of humiliation or abuse of Georgians in the Russian-controlled breakaway republic."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/u ... - WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3nobody said georgia attacked russia. nor is 2000 civilians killed a final figure.
lets look at the events together, shell we?
georgia attacked south ossetia while in the middle of peace talks. thats in this very article, right?
as a result of that shelling and attack a large number of civilians have died (just youtobe for "tskhinvali"). granted, accurate cound of casualties is unknown yet and may not be 2000 (god willing).
as a result of that shelling and attack 15 russian peacekeepers were killed and about 70 wounded. this we know accurately because they were in their positions, not hiding in basements as the civilians were.
that all took place on august the 7th.
back to the article, august the 8th. russia started "Russia pours troops and armour towards South Ossetia and engages Georgian forces in and around Tskhinvali."
connecting the dots yet? the georgian troops were in Tskninvali, committing the alleged atrocities. these allegations are made by the very civilians subjected to or witnesses of atrocities. plenty of those on youtube.
it was around this time the leader of South Ossetia claimed 1400 civilians dead. might he have exaggerated? yes he might have. can you blame him? well, up to you.
moving on.
Saakashvili gives interview to CNN explicitly (and several times since) claiming it was the russians who started hostilities. look it up, the guy's just insane, lying through his teeth. of course CNN quotes him at all times, no fact checking.
russia launched aerial strikes against military targets. collateral damage is evident. georgians claim russia is targeting civilian population.
Saakashvili in another CNN interview claims he witnessed how two russian low flying jets dropped "two 500 kg bombs on a populated market" he never backed that up with evidence to my knowledge.
9th georgia declares the state of war.
fighting continues.
10th of august. georgia is now making appearence of ceasefire, but russia is determined to demolish georgian warmaking infrastructure.
11th. attempts at ceasefire continue with limited success. skirmishes reported.
12th some degree of ceasefire is achieved, both sides maintain it, however the town of Gori is deserted by Georgian authorities, the russians stay to a) maintain some degree of law and order and b) take care of abandoned military hardware (anything from caches of ammo to a tank depot which was widely reported by CNN as being the column heading for Tbilisi, but turned out to be battle ready abandoned georgian tanks being taken away by the russians.)
13th and on, mostly political games, some cases of marauding and looting reported.
does this give you a better account of what happened? - WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2"Russian forces blew up a Georgian railway bridge" did you see the report on how they allegedly did it? with dynamite charges and wired detonator. this is just dumb. WHY would they do that when all it takes is a single bomb. they do have those smart ones you know.
on the other hand, if you did not have aviation anymore, they only way to blow up a bridge is to actually set and detonate those charges by hand.
and yes, you do want to do that facing an attack on your city.
and since Saakashvili in my eyes has zero credibility, i say this is another georgian propaganda FUD.
on the other hand, the russians said exactly what they did, they never denied even collateral damage, which is regrettable, but does happen in war.
so with all due respect i believe the russians here much more than the georgians. i just dont see why the russians would care to lie in this scenario.. - WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2"This is like saying that the US launched a surprise attack by sending federal military forces into Connecticut."
its not like that at all.
peace in South Ossetia was provided by UN mandated peace keeping force.
georgia can't have it both ways. it either complies with international process, or it uses force. if it chooses the latter, it subjects itself to the former.
they chose to break the peace in the middle of the night and in the middle of negotiations. and they killed scores of civilians and peacekeepers. russia had every right and in fact an obligation to respond. all we have to argue about is whether response was excessive. i for one think that it was decisive which was ultimately a good thing and probably saved lives.
if you can't see that i'm not sure how else to show it to you.
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -3/+4I see nothing about a massacre of 2,000 civilians by Georgia. I also see nothing about Georgia attacking Russia. I do see accounts of Russian bombing of civilian targets in Georgia, as well as accounts of Russia military forces "deep inside Georgia."
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/18/2008, -3/+5sure. BBC is good enough?
- djoobacca, on 08/18/2008, -10/+5georgians created this mess and it's only fair that they clean it up.
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2Did these specific Georgians create the mess? Or it is now ok to round up _any_ Georgians, and force them to work? Does one need to have Georgian citizenship, or is Georgian ancestry sufficient?
- nastronomical, on 08/18/2008, -8/+3Reckon where code pink and all the antiwar protesters are? Isn't Sean Penn going to fly to Georgia to let the Soviets know they can't go to war? Oh, forgot, it is only if America is going to battle that the Left cares.
- betacmag4u, on 08/18/2008, -1/+3The concerns of the American Left should be American policy. Russian policy is out of scope for them. Russian policy and actions are to be critiqued by either Russian left or Russian ex-pats. That said maybe if Bush had been in Iraq instead of Sean Penn we could have resolved the conflict without 4144 American soldiers and approx 1.25 million Iraqi's dead......that silly liberal Sean Penn wanted the conflict resolved without all those deaths......he must not have stock options like Cheney.
- charlietuna, on 08/18/2008, -2/+3You can't get more staged than that.
- NightVortez, on 08/18/2008, -6/+2City has to be cleaned somehow, I agree it's a little intensive to force Georgian men who weren't involved in the conflict to do it, but I mean, seems better than just the South Ossetian civilians, who have just lost their house, perhaps their family and have been in constant bombing for the past week. Although it's not like those people aren't doing anything:
"Georgian forced laborers were not the only ones cleaning up the city; many returning refugees were sweeping up glass and debris from the fighting."- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1"I agree it's a little intensive to force Georgian men who weren't involved in the conflict to do it"
"Intensive"? Which part of rounding up people based on their ethnicity and forcing them to work is "a little intensive"? Do these people have to wear a yellow star on their sleeves for you to recognize what this is?
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1"I agree it's a little intensive to force Georgian men who weren't involved in the conflict to do it"
- nastronomical, on 08/18/2008, -12/+10If this were America it would be called a War Crime by the liberal cowards.
- reugeneg, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2So why is it that more "liberal coward" congressmen have served in the military than the conservative neocon chickenhawks?
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2[citation needed]
- Kiloboba, on 08/18/2008, -1/+1ahhemm, don't you mean conservative libertarians?
- reugeneg, on 08/18/2008, -2/+2So why is it that more "liberal coward" congressmen have served in the military than the conservative neocon chickenhawks?
- randyzaia, on 08/18/2008, -3/+14So I guess we should have forced random Saudi civilians to clean up the WTC mess at gunpoint...
- sklter84, on 08/18/2008, -3/+1Big difference between terrorist cells and official government military.
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2@sklter84
So, Israel should round up random Palestinians and make them clean up after every suicide bomber and every Qassam rocket, right? Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinian Authority, which makes it the official government military.
In today's world there is very little difference between terrorists and official government military, that's the whole point.
- wpi97, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2@sklter84
- sklter84, on 08/18/2008, -3/+1Big difference between terrorist cells and official government military.
- slightlygifted, on 08/18/2008, -4/+11its war. they can kind of do whatever the ***** they like, they won.
- olafcore, on 08/18/2008, -1/+3this.
- FurtThePirate, on 08/18/2008, -0/+2Exactly I don't understand people who think this is that bad. I mean its not like they're killing everyone. Hell they aren't even making slaves out of them, its not terrible.
- charlietuna, on 08/18/2008, -1/+8Bomb the piss out of Georgia, then round up people based on their citizenship / last name and force them into a chain gang. This is such modern thinking.
- Puntas13, on 08/18/2008, -4/+4Don't ***** with the Motherland.
- jcf42005, on 08/18/2008, -1/+7So why do the Russian need to hide their faces???
- SlavaKM, on 08/18/2008, -2/+1I assume it stinks to high hell with all the burned bodies there.
Plus, this particular photo was chosen to portray Russians as bandits unlike a picture of them handing out food. - thesomkid, on 08/18/2008, -0/+0cuz they wana make it to the United States
- BabyWookie, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Dust.
- SlavaKM, on 08/18/2008, -2/+1I assume it stinks to high hell with all the burned bodies there.
- Kiloboba, on 08/18/2008, -1/+7Why aren't the trigger happy soldiers cleaning up the mess? They should see the results of their actions.
- draculthemad, on 08/18/2008, -1/+14Isnt forced civilian labor a warcrime?
- FurtThePirate, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2I think its only if they are used in ways that directly support the warring nation. Like a slave labor camp.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/18/2008, -1/+2Fourth Geneva Conventions:
Art. 40. Protected persons may be compelled to work only to the same extent as nationals of the Party to the conflict in whose territory they are.
If protected persons are of enemy nationality, they may only be compelled to do work which is normally necessary to ensure the feeding, sheltering, clothing, transport and health of human beings and which is not directly related to the conduct of military operations.
- edwardbc, on 08/18/2008, -0/+3Wait, they're making the CIVILIANS to clean up the mess? NOT FAIR.
- sklter84, on 08/18/2008, -1/+1I'm sure a good number of the forced workers are soldiers too, just that the article won't mention it. It never mentions 20-40 year olds being put to work so that means none are am I right? You guys cry about Russian/Chinese propoganda(when applicable) yet are oblivious to the Western propoganda you're fed. Most of the articles about this conflict never mention Ossetia at all. I thought that Youtube video about Western misinformation concerning Tibet would open people's eyes but things just pass through you. I guess that one Digg about 30% of people genetically unable to learn from their mistakes is true.
- iceman7291, on 08/18/2008, -3/+6Hmmm......now doesn't this sound familiar...OH YES! The Americans made the Germans clean up their own destroyed cities and so on, why is it that Americans are so quick to point out the war crimes of others when they never realize America has committed MORE than everyone else...could it be because they have never been punished for theirs I think so!!!
- JanW71, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Maybe Iraq should move those Burned out tanks from their streets to American streets. Close to playgrounds and food markets.
Do not mind the Radiation and Depleted Uranium Residue. It is not dangerous to your health your US officials say.
- JanW71, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Maybe Iraq should move those Burned out tanks from their streets to American streets. Close to playgrounds and food markets.
- caveman84, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1Chechnya FTMFW
- feeldarhythme, on 08/19/2008, -0/+0Here is some Chechnya. Russia can revive its territories. And I guess, Americans will never do the same to Iraq, Afghanistan or Saakashvili's Georgia
http://digg.com/world_news/Chechnya_today_photos
- feeldarhythme, on 08/19/2008, -0/+0Here is some Chechnya. Russia can revive its territories. And I guess, Americans will never do the same to Iraq, Afghanistan or Saakashvili's Georgia
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