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Russia Ignores ceasefire,Massive Assault Underway in Georgia
nytimes.com — Russian tanks and troops moved through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advanced on the city of Gori in central Georgia on Sunday night, for the first time directly assaulting a Georgian city with ground forces after three days of heavy fighting, Georgian officials said.
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- mark076h, on 08/10/2008, -18/+126This is getting crazy and really scary, at first it was just a dispute over South Ossetia, now it is something from the pages of Red Storm Rising
- guestaccount, on 08/11/2008, -7/+50Or Ghost Recon, check the dates and locales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Re ...
"Ghost Recon begins in August 2008, with civil unrest in Russia. Ultra-nationalists have seized power in Russia, with plans to rebuild the government. Their first step is clandestine support of rebel factions in Georgia and the Baltic States. This is where the Ghosts come in: to silence the invasion. Armed with some of the most advanced weaponry in the world, the soldiers of the Ghost Recon force are covertly inserted into area of operations and given specific missions to curtail the rebel actions and overthrow their benefactors."- ssn697, on 08/11/2008, -5/+11Sorry, but wikipedia is wrong (whoulda thunk it?!?!?) Ghost Recon begins in APRIL 2008. Just ask the game publisher...
- Culyt, on 08/12/2008, -0/+35Well then change it, it is ***** Wikipedia after all...
- soot, on 08/12/2008, -0/+13Putin is obviously a big Ghost Recon fan and didn't want to do Tom Clancey's canon any injustice.
- VacantThoughts, on 08/12/2008, -0/+8Damn it Ghosts where are you
- Skooma714, on 08/12/2008, -4/+1Yeah it starts in April. Some joker is frakking with it.
I should know... I'm playing it again now. - ZenFu, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Right now i have the intro voiceover in my head from the Xbox version of Ghost Recon, complete with dramatic theme music.
Oh well, time to dig out that old Xbox disc and kit up with my trusty OICW.
- ssn697, on 08/11/2008, -4/+23"[Bush] understands that it's not really about Georgia but in a certain sense it's also an aggression against America. The Russians want the whole of Georgia. The Russians need control over energy routes from central Asia and the Caspian Sea. In addition, they want to get rid of us, they want regime change. Every democratic movement in this neighbouring region must be got rid of," he was quoted as saying."
- gudiablo, on 08/12/2008, -20/+5That was Russia before so it will be again ,I don give a dam ...We (usa)souldnt get involved.If we do ,lets welcome the end of America and democracy
- Scriabin, on 08/12/2008, -2/+12gudiablo, why do you always type like you barely have a grasp on English? Is there a reason why you want to constantly come off as stupid?
- QuadZeroRoute, on 08/12/2008, -10/+2Scriabin, gudiablo is a liberal does that answer your question?
- gudiablo, on 08/12/2008, -15/+1I dont have a spell checker like u,really i dont give a dam
- Scriabin, on 08/12/2008, -0/+11I don't have a spell checker either, and that still doesn't explain your complete disregard for even remotely proper grammar. You may not give a damn, but you're coming off as the stupidest person here, and that's why your comments are constantly dugg down even if you make a valid point.
- specialK16, on 08/12/2008, -9/+3Hey Scriabin, consider that English might not be his first language.
Self centered prick. - Pixelante, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4Digg has a built-in spellchecker. All your points are invalid, and your lives are useless. Please report to the nearest protein extraction facility for immediate recycling.
- brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -3/+2Hey specialK, kill yourself.
- crazycraka, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3I disagree, I dont think bush understands anything..
- toefinder, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1what you should be asking yourselves is this. Am I ready to give up my life to go out in a stinking desert thousands of miles away from home to fight a war I don't give a damn about and certainly don't understand. To become a pawn in a Putin- Bush chess game? The US can't continue adding fronts to its existing wars without a draft. So pick your vacation spot. Shall it be Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Georgia, Cuba, Or Detroit.
You can bet the farm that Bush will have the US in another war (probably Iran) before he leaves office. He is trying as hard as he can to make it happen.
- N0_SkillZ, on 08/11/2008, -16/+10Did anyone just listen to Bush's statement regarding the conflict? "Russia aims to overthrow the Russian government" (Obviously he meant Georgia, but it was very amusing) ? LOL.. Dubya.. Seriously.. lay-off the coke in times of crisis. Your country doesn't need another Iraq.
- krnldmp, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2I don't think so.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080811/pl_afp/georgi ...- RogueGenius, on 08/12/2008, -9/+1Red Storm Rising? One of Clancy's more retarded books.
- Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Remember in 99 toward the end of the war in Serbia when Russian troops parachuted into Pristina and captured the airport a day ahead of NATO?
NATO promised Russia it could have a zone of control in Kosovo, then went back on its promise and drew up a map with no zone for Russia. So Russia gets to the capitol first, and NATO is forced to cut them in.
That might be similar to what's happening now. Russia knows the US is going to invade Iran soon, so Russia is going to conquer its way all the way to Iran's northern border, getting there just ahead of the US. - RogueGenius, on 08/13/2008, -0/+1Really? -7 diggs because I didn't think Red Storm Rising was a very good book?
- xpose, on 08/12/2008, -14/+7This sounds an awful lot like something the US would do.
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6Are they Terrorists or Freedom Fighters -- I'm so confused?!
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0 ...
Shorter, cheaper oil route you say? GOOOOOO FREEEEDOMMMMMM!!!- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -3/+4Ossetians are freedom fighters, they have been trying to separate from Georgia for the last 16 years. Georgians are terrorist, they killed over 14 hundred ppl in one night to try to take over South Ossetia. So now they gonna get what they deserve.
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4@zhulik83
Have you read the American press? We're painting Putin as the devil and blaming the Russians for their gross acts of violence against the Georgian people.
Being that the American's have investments in Georgia, your separatists are now Terrorists. - Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2Yes, but is the propaganda working this time?
All signs point to no. - geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1@ Hangly
American's aren't subjected to propaganda as much as we are a 'framed debate.'
In other words, the 'unbiased news sources' discuss whether or not Russian's actions were too harsh. John McCain says them Russians have gone too far while Obama talks of protecting American allies after diplomacy has failed.
NOBODY is talking about South Ossetia or the fact that it is a functional Democracy with a legitimate President. While it is possible that some news source might let that leak, it's just as likely that an equal amount will be comparing Putin to Satan. - Gioware, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1zhulik - just look at this nickname, it says: thief in Russian
Russians - are all thiefs! they lie to you! Ossetians are terrorists!
- donkz, on 08/12/2008, -7/+21600 Osetians/Russians dead after Georgian bombings + now 20 Russian peace keepers. There are indications that not all Georgian soldiers stopped fire when they were ordered by their president. Now that we got the picture straight, let's return to your big mouth phrases like Red Storm Rising. Dumb ass.
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -2/+4According to wikipedia both Reuters and AFP have denied claims that Russian forces have moved into Gori. Read August 11th and 12th on the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_ ...
- QuadZeroRoute, on 08/12/2008, -10/+6Russia is going to far. They need to ***** off.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -7/+3Look whos talking bitch. We're not the ones trying to take over the world and bring "democracy" to countries by overthrowing the governments and killing innocent ppl. If anybody needs to ***** off, its US. They got too much blood on their hands already. Stay the ***** away from Russia or you bitches will be next.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -1/+10Russia is stopping genocide of Ossetia people by Georgian army. it is now demolishing Georgian army to make sure it can never do that again. with any luck - unseat Saakashvili and if _really_ lucky land him in Hague tribunal.
just to remind you, Georgian army have killed on the day of their unprovoked assault on Tskhinvali as many as 2000 civilians and 10 or more russian peace keeper troops. there are numerous documented incidents of atrocities committed by the georgians such as finishing off the wounded, flooding basements where civilians hid, throwing hand grenades into civilian shelters, burning people alive, running children and women over with tanks (this is available on film).
me personally i'd strangle saakashvili with my bare hands for making enemies of the georgians and the russians. these two people have long and proud history of friendship and common culture. ***** saakashvili for ruining that. - brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2Where the hell did all these commies come from? GTFO, douchebags.
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Aren't commie bashers supposed to support Democracy?
South Ossetia voted a president, Georgia is trying to destroy it. Did I miss something?
- flogistan, on 08/12/2008, -8/+3You know starting this whole thing is just Israel's and the Bush administrations way of making sure McCain gets elected. You're going to freak out at how well it's going to work. They've hit on the perfect formula to get old people and baby boomers to vote. The cold war is deeply imprinted on their brains. Duck and cover. Here comes McCain.
- dixandbub, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5I knew it was coming. We went too long with a relatively normal discussion.
- toefinder, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2that's the plan
- hjdutch, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3why shoul dthey sign a ceasefire written by georgia that calls for UNCONDITION WITHDRAWAL FROM S OSSETIA?
- Dragular, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1because S Ossetia is Georgian territory?
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2because S Ossetia has already elected a president?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetia
Damn the American Press! - Dragular, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2I can think of a another group of people who elected a President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_states_of ... - Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Pretty ballsy to demand unconditional anything from a country that outguns you 50 to 1.
- toefinder, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1what do you care you never heard of south Ossetia before last week
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Just to catch everyone up to date, the Republitards are working on a list of reasons why we shouldn't care about Democracy.
1. The United States experienced a Civil War.
2. South Ossetia is too small to recognize.
3. Communists.
4. Profit?
- dogster, on 08/12/2008, -2/+4Is there any confirmation that the Russians are using captured Blackwater mercenaries for bayonet practice?
- Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4One can only hope.
***** Blackwater. - OBKenobi, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1One US military adviser was captured. Possibly because he was the only black guy in Georgia.
- Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4One can only hope.
- maekol, on 08/12/2008, -4/+2Anyone ever hear about the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline? It's taking oil from Central Asia to Europe and the US, and part of the pipeline runs through Georgia. And it was frickin built by Halliburton!
Its obvious what this whole conflict is about. This is not a matter of Russians randomly defending a tiny piece of land. The Russians want control of the oil just like we do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan_p ... - ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Someone needs to stop taking their primers on foreign affairs from jingoistic cold war-era military novels.
- OBKenobi, on 08/12/2008, -4/+1Much more fun than the lame Iraq war. The forces are more evenly matched, good use of artillery. Too bad there aren't more videos and photos being released.
Now calm down, because nothing is escalating. Suckassvili is done for no matter what Russia does at this point. He should be sent to the Hague for ethnic cleansing and war crimes.
Impeach Bush! - sollycardy, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4At first the Georgia attacked and killed thousands of civilians in South Ossetia- you call that a dispute?
This was a WAR CRIME by Georgia. They went in there on Friday night and did a SURPRISE ATTACK, blowing up hospitals, churches and killing thousands of people. You call that "just a dispute"?
Georgia attacks South Ossetia:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hV2N6fVKS5slf10 ...
I don't care that South Ossetia used to belong to Georgia, that doesn't justify what they did.
Of course, it wasn't just Georgia, the US and has been arming and training the Georgian troops:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/07/2 ...
... and the Israeli one:
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/Cda ...
And the Russians are the bad ones for ignoring a ceasefire. What are they supposed to do, just stand back and allow Georgia's army to commit genocide against all the Russians in South Ossetia?
OK I'm not saying the Russians are good but they didn't start this war. President Bush with all the press are trying to make it look like Russia just attacked Georgia out of the blue sky: THIS IS A LIE!
Bush and Saakashvili along with the Israeli politicians need to be all sent to prison (or better yet- hanged) for war crimes and provoking what could escalate into WW3.- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Thank you for the information, but I wonder, in how many place the US on the brink of WWIII?
- Gioware, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1***** just *****!
Russia attacked Georgia and backed ossetian terrorists always!
Learn history little Putin
- guestaccount, on 08/11/2008, -7/+50Or Ghost Recon, check the dates and locales.
- endofnite, on 08/10/2008, -40/+8Its interesting however how a totalitarian regime seems to allow more press coverage then our own, oilagarchic (sp intentional), arguably "non-totalitarian" regime
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/11/2008, -2/+32Putin controlls all of the Russian press. You are an idiot, albeit a useful one.
- ssn697, on 08/11/2008, -1/+16Neither side is letting independent reporters into the most serious areas. But you just keep blathering...
- IanPR, on 08/12/2008, -5/+3Stop trying to sound smarter than us, dumbass.
- halfwayentropy, on 08/10/2008, -10/+158Russia's the biggest, craziest ex-girlfriend of them all. RUN!
- sockpuppets, on 08/12/2008, -0/+17You should have known just by her moustache.
- crocodilexp, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1The mustache you're referring to is Georgian, comrade.
- Ortheos, on 08/12/2008, -2/+15You don't dump mother Russia, she dumps you.
- fuwath, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2Mother Russia is back, comrades. I'm really craving this whole world anarchy deal right now. Humans piss me off.
- arcticblue, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1I still got another 2 years of inactive reserve. I'm not craving it right now...don't want to be called back over this stupid *****.
- las12, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0Russia can boast nice balls made of steel. Could you? :)
- sockpuppets, on 08/12/2008, -0/+17You should have known just by her moustache.
- SethEllis, on 08/11/2008, -12/+87So if it's all the Georgian's fault explain to me why it looks like Russia is going all the way with this instead of just taking the break away provinces? It just gets worse and worse. It won't be long before other parties will be forced to get involved.
- RussianAndProud, on 08/11/2008, -17/+2You shall digg the background of the conflict. It's hard to explain in several words.
Everyone is already involved into it in some or another way.- FlaG8r, on 08/11/2008, -1/+14Thanks for that vastly informative post. Who are your going to invade next?
- vbullinger, on 08/12/2008, -6/+3Who are WE going to invade next?
Oh yeah: IRAN. - QuadZeroRoute, on 08/12/2008, -4/+2The gloves are off. The USA has no reason to NOT invade Russian satellite Iran now.
- ssn697, on 08/11/2008, -3/+46Here is the short answer to your question:
US has been pushing Russia aside on the oil pipeline up there. Russia doesn't like it. Georgia gives Russia the perfect in to go after the pipeline, giving them control of the region's oil. Russia has been pissed that America/NATO has been "surrounding" the country for a while now.
That is the shorthand version. Obviously, much more detailed, but it comes down to oil (again).- wutimatang, on 08/12/2008, -2/+8Exactly, the Georgians have given the Russians a chance of taking land that has been disputed over since Georgia declared it's independence. The Russians know that the Americans basically have their hands tied and can't do anything about it.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -6/+10Wrong, America WILL be invading Iran as a consequence. Russia needs to know that taking out our oil interests will result in the US taking out their oil interests. Its really that simple.
- badqat, on 08/12/2008, -2/+15And that Iranian invasion will take place regardless of whom the next president is...
- vbullinger, on 08/12/2008, -10/+2Dude, ssn697. You're so close to the truth, man!
You're just one step away from those you relentlessly troll and you just don't see it.
Go that extra mile: wake up to the New World Order, the explanation for all of this.
Everything you said fits right in. Go that extra step. Go down the rabbit hole and see where it goes! - zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -5/+11The Iranian invasion WILL take place regardless of whom the next president is. Just wait and see and remember my words. Russian actions have sealed the fate of Iran.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -8/+3lol, you ***** cant win in Iraq, what makes you think you will win in Iran? If it does takes place, you'll get *****. AGAIN.
- AReallyGoodName, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2I see the American government launching an air war on Iran but no way would they fight a land war with Iran.
For a start Iran has 12,285,000 soldiers of various types
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ ... - otayyo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2war with Iran would be a colossal mistake, and the world would pay dearly.
wutimatang made a good point. - Hangly, on 08/13/2008, -0/+1Iran can very easily make it a land war. They're not exactly helpless, you realize.
- Picard102, on 08/12/2008, -16/+10Because Georgia won't quit. While the Georgians signed the ceasefire, they took the opportunity to bombard the Russian troops and flood it's own people so they could kill them in the bombardment.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -6/+9Completely and utterly wrong. Stop watching that rubbish propaganda that you call Russian media. Its more biased than fox news, and I did not even think this was possible.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2since when bbc is russian propaganda?
- Vesci, on 08/12/2008, -1/+12Go big or go home.
- AndreiOttawa, on 08/12/2008, -20/+15Georgian government committed a crime against Russian peacekeepers and Russian citizens. They killed over 1,600 people, destroyed over 10 villages and the capital city. They shot at refugees, they threw grenades into basements were civilians were hiding, they also ran them over with tanks.
The least that Russia has to do is destroy ALL mllitary targets in Georgia and investigate and punish officials that gave orders to commit genocide.
I hope that the Russian government finish what it started and would not cave in to pressure from U.S.- the country which foreign policy has been driven by profits for the past 100 years.- Naieve, on 08/12/2008, -5/+9Do you even know what genocide is?
And FYI, Russia is the one supporting rebels in another country.
Why don't you go read about how Russia has been using cyber attacks against Georgia BEFORE this whole thing began.
I think Georgia just played right into a Russian trap. - charlietuna, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2Yeah, finish the job. That'll make the situation all better.
:-/ - zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -3/+3Respect to Russia. They will get the job done. Thats what Putin is good at.
- Naieve, on 08/12/2008, -5/+9Do you even know what genocide is?
- raze888, on 08/12/2008, -5/+5Here's some of the Russian news on this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg5RYFbKVYc - brundlefly76, on 08/12/2008, -4/+8Because Georgia has now created a legitimate security problem in Russia's backyard.
- Daxx22, on 08/12/2008, -4/+28Georgia made the mistake of hitting the one of the biggest dudes in class with a spit-ball, and he's maaaaaad.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -2/+3you got that right.
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -4/+6According to Reuters and AFP Russia hasn't even started massing troops on the borders of Georgia. I'm more likely to believe then than any Russian media.... or CNN
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj_jyRnqBYekXz ...
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB161645. ... - Hangly, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6When Japan bombed our ships did we bomb their ships and call it even?
- beartamer, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6And why do you believe Russian forces had been assaulted Gori? You don't believe russian media — that's ok, but you do openly believe Georgian. You don't believe two thousands Ossetian civilians killed by Georgian shelling of Tskhinvali (how would you verify that anyway?) but you do believe Georgian media that Russian tanks on their way to Tbilisi (I would like to see some proof).
Hypocrisy at its best. There are some things where tradition and cultural bindings are too strong to resist no mater how intelligent you are. Russia vs Anything is just about that. - toefinder, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4well said, Beartamer. These young folks can discuss this whole mess over meals ready to eat in a foxhole in northern Iran in a few short years. perhaps that will change their perspective a bit. Most in the know agree that Georgie will force war with Iran before he leaves office. (Even though Iran has done nothing agressive towards the US) and Pres. Obama will have to play along for fear of looking like a chicken *****. that leaves you kids to do the dirty work. like it or not. the time for wising up is over. Your butt will be in the Army soon. time to get advise from old hippy draft dodgers on how to dress up in women's clothes to beat the draft. Good luck.
- mrwoo, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3Allies took germany, they did'nt stop at poland.
- DigzDogg, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1Ahh... I don't want to interrupt you guys, but Russia not going anywhere. They stay where they expected. What the problem?
- RussianAndProud, on 08/11/2008, -17/+2You shall digg the background of the conflict. It's hard to explain in several words.
- GKang, on 08/11/2008, -27/+20OK, so according to the map Gori is pretty clearly in the Georgia, The Russians really are not stopping and just being peace keeps is the South Ossetia region, looking at the troops and the fleet Russian black sea mobilized there is more going on then just repelling a border attack. Time for the US and EU to Step up and help the Georgian people out. See if the BEAR wants to tangle with the Eagle. HUZZAH!!
- yosserhughes, on 08/12/2008, -1/+14So, have you signed up for service yet, or gonna let other people do your killing and dying for you?
No, no, don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question.- GKang, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5I already serve and proud
- TweedleDan, on 08/12/2008, -1/+7I'm surprised you didn't finish that with AMERICA! ***** YEAH!
- CHANNELOCK, on 08/12/2008, -2/+3Nukes landing in the backyard garden
HUZZAH!! - jgzman, on 08/12/2008, -2/+8*****. Someone hits you, you hit back. Hard enough that they think twice about even looking at you again, least bit hitting you.
Besides that, if someone has 10x the heavy artillery that you have, DO NOT ***** WITH THEM. - NightVortez, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6Are you joking? US attacking Russia would be the biggest mistake we could ever make, especially with most troops in/out of rotation of Iraq and Russia being one of the biggest oil providers. Even if the US will end up wining the hit it would take on the economy would put us in far more than a depression. .
- QuadZeroRoute, on 08/12/2008, -4/+2The US should attack Iran....an eye for an eye.
- jgzman, on 08/13/2008, -0/+1Zero, are you suggesting that because the Russian Giant has attacked the minor country of Georgia with overwhelming force, when it was clear that there was no danger, and is now attempting to force regime change and occupy the country, that we should do it as well?
Oh, wait. We did already. In fact, we set the example for how to overthrow and occupy a country without getting too many important people mad at you.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2What i want to know is how do you think Saakashvilli and Hussein are different? Hussein destroid couple of villages, killed hundreds of people, he got hanged for war crimes. Suckershvilli destroyed 10 villages, leveled a city, killed thousands of Russian citizens. Why cant we do the same thing to Saakashvilli? He deserves it. So does Bush.
- jaksu, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1US and EU don't have to bring their forces in Georgia there are other ways to help Georgia, e.g. freezing Russians bank accounts in the western banks or stop exporting technology like computers to Russia. Most of the trading in Russia is done with dollars, Russian ruble is very unstable so the US can just stop sending dollars to them.
- yosserhughes, on 08/12/2008, -1/+14So, have you signed up for service yet, or gonna let other people do your killing and dying for you?
- demonic, on 08/11/2008, -28/+49Someone provoked that conflict for a reason, there's more to this than whats being said. Remember that Georgia is backed by the US, and whether the CIA was involved with starting it, I'm unsure but it seems really weird that a small country decided to rocket attack Russia out of the blue.
Personally I believe that Russia does not want this to continue so its "nipping it in the bud" so to speak, because if the US provoke Iran, the Russians don't want to be tied up with a conflict on their own borders.- Beveridge89, on 08/11/2008, -7/+27Well they didn't attack Russia. They went into what they consider their own territory, and nobody considers Russian territory, supposedly to fight back against Russian-armed seperatists.
Russia I don't think is too bothered about the continuation of this conflict, and they could stop the fighting at any time. They aren't because theres a good chance that they could significantly advance both South Ossetia and Abkhazia becoming Russian-dependant republics in the near future, which is much more useful to them than ithe regions being part of a Pro-American Georgia.- Picard102, on 08/12/2008, -8/+11Funny how people beg the US to come defend separatist states and regional conflicts, but when Russia does it OMG the red scare.
- philhatesyou, on 08/12/2008, -4/+5Nobody considers it Russian territory, except for 90% of the people who live there, right? American recognition of Kosovo independence and consistency both say hello.
- bebop34, on 08/12/2008, -2/+12Wrong. The people of South Ossetian don't consider themselves Georgians. They voted independence from Georgia. According to the Tskhinvali election authorities, the referendum turned out a majority for independence from Georgia where 99% of South Ossetian voters supported independence and the turnout for the vote was 95%[8] and the referendum was monitored by a team of 34 international observers from Germany, Austria, Poland, Sweden and other countries at 78 polling stations[9
- krnldmp, on 08/12/2008, -0/+9I don't think Georgia is so pro-American as it is anti-Russian.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1@krnldmp Georgia has been friends with russia and russian people on all levels for centuries, but "friends" (if you call that friends) with usa for a decade? do you need a math lesson or a history lesson i'm not sure..
- Beveridge89, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1@philhatesyou: I was referring more to international recognition rather than individuals. Even Russia doesn't claim it is part of Russia. And as far as I'm aware the people of both regions have only ever voted for indepedence, not unification with Russia, so you'd have to show something else to justify your claim.
@bebop34: Your not disagreeing with anything I'm saying. There are plenty of people in every country in the Worldwho, rightly or wrongly, don't consider themselves a national of that country. It doesnt automatically hold that they then don't live in that country. The fact that they declared independence does not change the fact that Georgia considers it part of its territory, and no nation, not even Russia, recognises it as independent.
- EntropyFan, on 08/12/2008, -2/+9Perhaps Russia is attempting to enforce its own version of the Monroe Doctrine(http://tinyurl.com/hjtun)?
If the Russians were to arm and train troops in this hemisphere, you can be sure the US would show up with the threat of Armageddon... oh wait, we did that! (http://tinyurl.com/ec2zu) - Number23, on 08/12/2008, -7/+8Never pass up an opportunity to blame America.
- littled, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0dont blame america...BLAME CANADA! BLAME CANADA!
- Daedalos, on 08/12/2008, -7/+17This is the truth. The civilians on the ground in South Ossetia are claiming that Georgian troops, supplied and trained by US and Israeli special forces, attacked Russian peace keepers who had been there for nearly a decade. Civilians were targeted as well which would suggest a continuation of ongoing ethnic cleansing by the Georgians against the population of Russians in South Ossetia. North Ossetia is in Russia.
The cease fire agreement was made and broken by the Georgians, not the Russians.
Bottom Line: US/ Israeli backed Georgian troops attacked Russian peace keepers and civilians in an unprovoked manner.
The Russians Did NOT Invade Georgia. They were already there and had been for years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcv-ynUDYHc&eurl=ht ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcv-ynUDYHc&eurl=ht ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFWxGXGCBg&eurl=ht ...
http://www.russiatoday.com/en- SatoriSeeker, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1Good work man, try posting this out in the main comments instead of buried too many levels in replies so more people will see this.
- nirvanix, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1No don't burst the bubble of all the good old boys with good ol' facts.
Everybody covers your ears and shout repeatedly 'America, ***** yeah!' - amightywind, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Is that you Neville Chamberlain?
- ThomasPaine23, on 08/12/2008, -3/+10IMO georgia is the pawn to keep Russia occupied. Rice was in Georgia only a month ago. She probably "greenlighted" the invasion in Ossetia. Why?
The US is sending an addtional 3 Carrier groups to the gulf. There will be 5 there when they arrive.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5499
IMO Kuwait knows something is up as well:
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MT ...
"Govt finalizing war emergency plan
Published Date: August 07, 2008
KUWAIT: The government is finalizing its emergency plan this week in order to ensure that the country is protected from foreign dangers in case the regional situation escalates and a war breaks out between Iran and the USA.
An unnamed senior official revealed that the government has learnt that two aircraft carriers are scheduled to arrive in the Gulf and the Red Sea in preparation for the expected war at any time. The official said that this information led the government to accelerate its emergency plan preparations, which include arrangements for protecting all sectors and vital installations.
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China occupied as olympics host, Russia busy with Georgia, leaves the US free to bomb Iran......- bmobile, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3As plausible as that sounds considering our war-mongering administration, boy I hope you're wrong...
- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6Abkhazia was blaming Georgia for terrorist bombings against them back in June. There's been fighting back and forth between South Ossetia and Georgia for a week.
Georgia donated soldiers to the Iraq War and has been trying to get into NATO in order to start this fight to take back South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I guess they thought things were going too slowly, so they moved in. - digitalPhonix, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2Why is the bloody media so biased against Russia?
"Russia overreacted"
"Russia has forced the region onto the brink of war"
"The casualties caused by Russian troops are piling into the hundreds"
What the ***** is wrong with you?
Georgia has a scorched earth policy on South Ossetian land.
Georgia is responsible for an attempted GENOCIDE of the South Ossetian people.
Georgia is responsible for the oppression of the South Ossetian people since 1991.
Why does no one care about that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_ ...
Wikipedia is normally not the most reliable source, but I can't personally take any other source seriously.
Russia got involved 7 days after the Georgian offensive began. 4 Australian media sources (Herald Sun, The Age, Channel 7 and Channel 9) sent the message that Russia was the initiator, and Channel 9 explicitly stated that.
During the 7 days before Russian involvement, Georgia attacked CIVILIAN convoys of people fleeing the region, Shelled 4 CIVILIAN villages, and killed between 100 and 1600 CIVILIANS (Georgia claims 100, South Ossetia claims 1600).
An attempted genocide would not be tolerated and definitely not ignored ignored by the international community had Russia instigated it. Why is it being swept under the rug for Georgia?
Georgia has deliberately targeted civilians in an attempt to crush a smaller nation/entity/region (whatever you wish to classify South Ossetia as). Why is that perfectly acceptable while and intervention for the attempted genocide frowned on and criticised?
My view is definitely not un-biased, but anyone with half a brain can tell that the story being told in western nations is not either.
/RANT - say592, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1I do think there is ulterior motives here. It wouldnt be that hard for things to rise up along other areas of the border, and the US go to "intervene".
However, I dont really see why we would want inside of Russia. There really isnt to much worth going to war over there for. - zbor, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1For a balanced look that doesn't buy into either Russian or Georgian propaganda, take a look at (and digg up!) this article from Reason:
http://digg.com/world_news/The_Triumph_of_Putinism ...
The Georgians shouldn't have invaded South Ossetia, and the Russians shouldn't have set a trap in the first place. Both sides are wrong. Diggers, get over your binary obsession and look a little deeper into the issue, please!
- Beveridge89, on 08/11/2008, -7/+27Well they didn't attack Russia. They went into what they consider their own territory, and nobody considers Russian territory, supposedly to fight back against Russian-armed seperatists.
- taron, on 08/11/2008, -33/+20You blame Russia for ignoring ceasefire after the Georgian president has announced total ceasefire several times and his own troops has ignored it? I doubt the Russians attack the peaceful Georgian soldiers, too.
- Shogi, on 08/11/2008, -3/+18Look if you offer a cease fire, and the enemy rejects it and keeps shooting, you shoot back.
Besides, the cease fire gets approved on a political level before the order is ever passed to the troops. - Picard102, on 08/12/2008, -8/+7Digg down anything that makes Georgia look bad. Looks like the propaganda machine has Diggers hook line and sinker.
- jabberwolf, on 08/12/2008, -3/+1BLAME RUSSIA FOR INVADING ALL OF GEORGIA!!!
Not just a breakway part but all of it? Where is the benevolant Russia now? Invading an entire country over a smaller region? Will it not give ALL Georgian people Russia passports and declare that they want to be Russian too?
- Shogi, on 08/11/2008, -3/+18Look if you offer a cease fire, and the enemy rejects it and keeps shooting, you shoot back.
- FrankHope, on 08/11/2008, -26/+10FTA: "[This underscores] the limits of Western influence over Russia at a time when the rest of Europe depends heavily on Russia for natural gas and the United States needs Moscow’s cooperation if it hopes to curtail what it believes is a nuclear weapons threat from Iran."
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Iran is the Queen in this game of Global Chess. Georgia is just a Pawn. Russia can break any embargo on Iran through ports on the Caspian Sea. The military attack by Georgia seemed to be a politically calculated move backed by the US and Israel. They badly miscalculated on the Russian reaction. For some reason they thought that Russia's hands were tied.
The objective seemed to be to create a diversion for Russia on the eve of a US led airstrike on Iran. The plan seems to have backfired. This will most likely push Russia and Iran closer together. And it will make Europe hesitant to join in imposing a stricter embargo on Iran, including a naval blockade.
This has the smell of a Neocon operation. Just another part of their strategy of endless War. Will the American public be suckered into another pointless foreign war for Oil?- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/11/2008, -3/+19My god, its so fiendishly simple. No wait, not its not, its needlessly complicated.
- jellygraph, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5hm, soooo mr conspiracy, where exactly is this attack on iran, or are you just making ***** up?
yes, you are. you are just making ***** up. try again - zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1Actually, it has the exact opposite effect of what you said. This will make Europe more interested in imposing a stricter embargo on Iran as now they need a new source of oil. The Russian response has signed the deal on an Iranian invasion.
- RussianAndProud, on 08/11/2008, -16/+4Does it?
http://digg.com/world_news/The_Times_confirms_fals ...- amightywind, on 08/12/2008, -5/+2I saw that the Georgians took down a Backfire bomber. The first of many I hope. death to Putin. Death to Russia.
- sheasie, on 08/11/2008, -32/+14Iraq saw and opportunity to invade Kuwait (and the US stepped in to drive out the invader).
Georgia saw an opportunity to invade Southern Ossetia (and Russia stepped in to drive out the invader).
Iraq ***** up (and America was right).
Georgia ***** up (and Russia is right).
Same difference.
End of story.- FlaG8r, on 08/11/2008, -6/+14One major difference is that Southern Ossetia is a part of Georgia.
BTW, part of the reason Iraq saw an opportunity in Kuwait was that George 41 had his ambassador tell Saddam that we would consider it a border dispute and wouldn't get involved. - spkrcity, on 08/11/2008, -2/+11sheasie has copy and pasted this exact same quote in every digg story pertaining to this conflict. You'd think by the third time he'd notice his "and" should be an "an."
http://digg.com/users/sheasie/history/comments - geekee, on 08/12/2008, -3/+5No, Separatists armed by Russia intentionally started this war, not Geogia.
- harrisbradley, on 08/12/2008, -2/+9South Ossetia was already a part of Georgia's territory as far as I know. They are pro-Moscow, and wanted to break away from Georgia, and Georgia wanted to stop this with an EU approved peace keeping mission. Northern Ossetia is still part of Russia.
- FlaG8r, on 08/11/2008, -6/+14One major difference is that Southern Ossetia is a part of Georgia.
- angeland8, on 08/11/2008, -22/+16What ceasefire? There was no ceasefire. Georgia never stopped attacking Ossetian villages and towns.
Hasn't anybody noticed yet that Saakashvili hasn't kept a single promise he made?- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -4/+5You are nothing but a pathetic blind sheep. Time to pull that red wool away and see reality for what it is.
- peevegrider, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1Explain
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2Georgia has been doing nothing but acting in self defense over the past day. Russia now claims that the only way for a cease fire is for Georgia to completely disarm. This is not acceptable. To think that Georgia is still attacking innocent Ossetian villages that are full of civilians is complete and utter ignorance of reality. What promise has Saakashvili made that he hasn't kept? To me I only see the Russians breaking every assurance they have made to the world. You want this *****, you got it.
- Daedalos, on 08/12/2008, -3/+1You are a liar. You probably know that Georgia started this conflict by attacking Russian troops and that Georgia has been conducting "ethnic cleansing" in the area for decades. You know that Georgian troops are US trained and supplied and that US marines and special forces aided in this recent unprovoked attack that was directed on civilians and peace keepers. You probably know that Isreal has been involved in Georgia for even longer than the US has been.
Same old trick - punch somebody when nobody is looking and blame the other guy when he fights back and everybody notices. It won't work forever. You are lucky that so many people are ignorant enough to believe you, Who knows... maybe you are just one of them.
You've definitely talking *****. That's for sure. - zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2The only liar is yourself, Daedalos. Riddle me this, why the ***** would Georgia start attacking Russian troops and conduct "ethnic cleansing" when the Russians have been building up their forces along the Georgian border for years?????????????? Are you seriously that ***** delusional? You Russians are nothing but a bunch of ***** blind sheep. Millions of times worst than the worst neo-con in America.
- SiXiam, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1The US would never support ethnic cleansing or help plan an invasion of South Ossetian.
On the other hand what they do with the training they got from the US and weapons we supplied is up to them.
Pick a fight with Russia and don't think you can come cry to the Americans 4 days after the conflct begins.
Georgia started this... South Ossetian wants to join Russia, plain and simple and Georgia doesn't like it. - angeland8, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0Whoa! zeusthemoose, why are you so nervous? Why do you insult me?
Michail? Is that you?
Guys, let's be charitable. The side this person supports is in complete ***** right now and nobody's going to help. - wunksta, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1@SiXiam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_to_the_New ...
- sunnytar, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3Of course nobody noticed. CNN told everybody: "Russia invades Georgia. 2000 dead". Nevermind that those 2000 people (1600 by the latest count) are victims of Georgia's attack.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -4/+5You are nothing but a pathetic blind sheep. Time to pull that red wool away and see reality for what it is.
- browntiger, on 08/11/2008, -19/+7Exactly Georgia is bombing Ossetia now. That is not a ceasefire.
http://www.newsru.com/pict/big/1087309.html
Crooked cheat SackOfShilly - 7Mystery, on 08/11/2008, -26/+9Why should Russia stop? "Little Georgia" was the one taunting the Russians and started this war, counting on the "Americans" to bail them out.
Heck, Israel had TWO soldiers kidnapped and they destroyed Beirut & half of Lebanon. Russia lost thousands of its civilians.....its time to GET SOME BACK!- tim04, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2good plan you crazy bastard. Rather than punish the government for taunting you, let's retaliate by committing more atrocities and killing civilians. Even better, we'll follow Isreal's lead considering how upright and moral their actions have been lately.
I hope you never come into a position of power. This is how world wars start, where the innocent civilians always pay the biggest price.
- tim04, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2good plan you crazy bastard. Rather than punish the government for taunting you, let's retaliate by committing more atrocities and killing civilians. Even better, we'll follow Isreal's lead considering how upright and moral their actions have been lately.
- zadadka, on 08/11/2008, -20/+7Let's say you are bigger and stronger than I am.
Yet, in your full view, I mercilessly beat up on a defenceless individual, ignoring your please and warnings to stop.
Finally, since all else is clearly failing, you wade in to force me to desist.
I then cry, "stop, stop you bully, or I'll set my mate on you".
Knowing I've done this before, and having good reason to doubt that my mate will actually consider what I've done to be appropriate or reasonable, what would your reaction be?
To break off, risking this to be seen as weakness, and perhaps sending the message I might get away with repeating those actions later, or would you seek to convince me not to take such actions again?
I am Georgia.
You are Russia.
The hapless victim is Ossetia.
There it is.- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4BS. The "hapless victim" started the conflict by shelling civilians, with his big brother behind him to keep him safe.
- zadadka, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Learn to read.
- Picard102, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3Looks like the truth is burried again on Digg.
- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4BS. The "hapless victim" started the conflict by shelling civilians, with his big brother behind him to keep him safe.
- failedpimp, on 08/11/2008, -31/+7When did Georgia become a Country?
/sarcasm- PopASquatt, on 08/12/2008, -0/+8LOL Good one!
/sarcasm
- PopASquatt, on 08/12/2008, -0/+8LOL Good one!
- ssn697, on 08/11/2008, -4/+11Kinda one sided, but good article on the oil side of this conflict:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/1 ... - bestsoccerdog, on 08/11/2008, -16/+2Let's just take out both countries and solve the problem for good?
- Regbooker, on 08/11/2008, -13/+70Who wasn't expecting that ? Here in Finland we know very well how ruthlessly expansive Russia is. Probably they will put the past events as an excuse to reconquer Georgia.
What many Americans here on Digg don't understand are the deep historical reasons behind Georgia's attack. They suffered a lot when they were conquered by the Soviet Union decades ago. And those are memories that just don't go away very quickly.- CHANNELOCK, on 08/12/2008, -24/+5Then the Georgian CIA footstools shouldn't have launched missiles at the angry Bear.
Whats Russia supposed to do?
Oh...
Sorry, we know Exxon America wants the oil pipeline profits and Georgia made a lunatic dash for some former backyard Russian acreage.- cheezintern, on 08/12/2008, -1/+20Did you bother to read the article, or any of the articles on the subject? It wont take but a few minutes. Georgia attacked separatists, technically within its own borders. Those separatists are backed by russia, and have always been. The oil pipeline goes through southern Georgia, and not through either of the breakaway regions. If russia takes over all of Georgia, then it will have total control of all oil piped out of the region, which wont be good for anyone, including exxon.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -6/+3I seriously can't believe that you actually believe that.
- geoken, on 08/12/2008, -8/+3They attacked separatists? From what I saw they bombarded a city in an attempt to effectively wipe it off the map by driving it's population out of the country as refuges.
- peevegrider, on 08/12/2008, -4/+1Don't forget the BP holdings in all of this...
- CHANNELOCK, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0I don't really understand the Russian bashing.
Sure they have a cruel history and are paranoid with good reason of being surrounded by the land grabbing west..
But why all the crocodile tears for Georgia and the oil companies?
Its seems more like Exxon nationalism disguised as America Nationalism that is crying about a backfired folly
Is it because the quasi Iraq scheme didn't fly to well with the Russians?
What were these Jokers thinking,pushing NATO up against the most strategic area of Russia and training Georgians in house to house fighting to murder and exile a hundred thousand strong Russian community.
Do you actually believe the kindly Georgians were going to behave when they captured that city?
- las12, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2Begging is a deal of any little country. Almost three hundreds years ago Georgian King Irakly II asked Russian Empress Catherine II on protection from Turkish and Persian invaders, and got this. If they were refused, probably we would heard about Georgian-Armenian genocide now.
Now Georgia begs USA to protect from Russians. The history makes next turn. - OBKenobi, on 08/12/2008, -2/+4Another anti-Russian Finn? What a surprise.
Not that there isn't good reason to be skeptical of Russia, but this time Georgia is clearly to blame. WTF was Saakashvili thinking? He makes Saddam look like a military genius.- maisteri, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5Russia is just horribly ***** up and corrupted beyond any redemption. Just as any great nation, but along with China, Russia is the worst. In Russia elections are just some show to make citizens feel like they have a choice. There media is controlled by the government, and therefore publishes utter ***** to control the people. Most anti-government activists end up dead, like Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya and numerous other people. Russia doesn't give a ***** about the environment and human rights. I could keep going on and on... but it would never end..
- mcla007, on 08/12/2008, -2/+3"They suffered a lot when they were conquered by the Soviet Union decades ago."
Right! Which would have been an excellent reason not to commit genocide in South Ossetia and provoke another war with Russia. - DigzDogg, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0Enlighten us please, when you guys been allies of Nazi Germany, they were "ok" expansive?
You know, if you ally with Nazi you should be more flexible about smbdy "expansiveness"
- CHANNELOCK, on 08/12/2008, -24/+5Then the Georgian CIA footstools shouldn't have launched missiles at the angry Bear.
- ApMasterSite, on 08/11/2008, -37/+92Americans on Digg are retarded. Many Americans and westerners are ignorant of whats going on in this world.
First of all, to you idiots out there. Let it me made known that SOUTH OSSETIA DOES NOT BELONG TO RUSSIA!!
South Ossetia is Georgian terriroty, just like Abkhazia. If Russia only wanted to restore peace, then why is Russia invading Georgia from Ossetia and Abkhazia. Last night they captured the Georgian town of Gori and Russian troops are advancing from the region of Abkhazia into the oil regions of Georgia.
Russian ships are blockading Georgian waters in the black sea - and has blocked food and medicine from coming into the country. The only item allowed out of Georgia is the oil - which Russia says it will not block.- zofsky, on 08/12/2008, -17/+7South Ossetia and Abkhazia belong to Russia historically.
Also, Russia is protecting its people in these territories. When Russia refused the ceasefire, they did it because Gerogian troops blew up their helicopters right after the treaty was sent to Moscow.
CNN and NY Times is painting this war like Russia is running in blowing everything up. They're setting the territory straight.- wukillabee, on 08/12/2008, -10/+7if the usa can invade a country for its oil why cant russia do it as well?
- jellygraph, on 08/12/2008, -3/+8Historically, russia does not belong to russia, if you go back far enough.
whats your point?
borders are there for a reason, you can't just go in and take what you want. the united nations exists for this reason. to not consult them is direct proof of russia's hostility and dubious motives - zofsky, on 08/12/2008, -4/+1Tell that to Bush.
- Shirleycakes, on 08/12/2008, -3/+3Historically belonging or not, South Ossetia is pushing for independence from Georgia. Russia wasn't "taking" anything other than smacking an upstart who shot first.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -6/+17I'd love to see your sources on Russia occupying Gori and blocking food and medicine in the black sea.
According to the many reports i have read, including quotations from a Georgian official stating that Russia stopped it's advance outside of Gori, but residents and the military are fleeing Gori leaving it a ghost town. More so reports of Georgian attack helicopters recently attacking and bombing a South Ossetia city.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24166801-2310 ...- jabberwolf, on 08/12/2008, -4/+3Notice "From correspondents in Gori, Georgia"
No name, no sources. This is what happens in Russia and this is Russia posting their propaganda online.
- jabberwolf, on 08/12/2008, -4/+3Notice "From correspondents in Gori, Georgia"
- jellygraph, on 08/12/2008, -10/+3looks like russia wants georgia to become its palestine... very misguided
- mikebaldwin67, on 08/12/2008, -3/+23So generalizing all Americans as being ignorant and then shouting already-stated and well known information makes you... what?
- cheezintern, on 08/12/2008, -4/+6ApMasterSite's post is only relevant because like half of the posts here on digg on the topic are misguided and prove what he wrote.
- RealHyperX, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1He said Americans on DIGG. Not all Americans. Most Americans on Digg are liberals, therefore idiots. I agree.
- harrisbradley, on 08/12/2008, -7/+22"Americans on Digg are retarded" spoke like a true 'Easterner'-douche bag. I'm sure America is made up of a lot of the best people of your heritage.
- ckedge, on 08/12/2008, -3/+14Please answer one question. Do the people who live in South Ossetia want their land to be Georgian?
From everything I hear, the majority (perhaps vast majority) of South Ossetians do not want to be Georgians.
I live in Canada, and TWICE we've allowed one of our provinces to hold a vote on whether or not they want to remain a part of Canada. If either time they had voted to seperate, I would have respected their wishes. Just as they respected the wishes of the slight majorities of their own province that decided to remain part of Canada.
If you can't let the past go, you will fight a pointless war and most of the rest of us in the world will not help you.- Shirleycakes, on 08/12/2008, -1/+15I can't imagine going to war to keep Quebec. I mean...seriously.
- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4Problem is, both South Ossetia and Abkhazia passed referendums to be independent states. Georgia's response was first "***** you" then "nevermind, we're going to ***** you" in the form of military attacks that Russia had to stop.
That's how they reached the status quo in the first place. - useful, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1and if they succeeded there would of been a civil war with the Mohawks and whatever other tribes own like 90% of Quebec.
- Player1, on 08/13/2008, -0/+1In 2006 Georgia held their second independence referendum which (like the referendum in 1992) passed, this time with 98% of voters agreeing to secession. Unfortunately, the EU, NATO and the Georgian government refuse to recognize this. Georgia was wrong to start a military conflict to retain the region (... again.) Still, I doubt Russia has the noblest intentions. S. Ossetia's pipeline would be advantageous to Russia, and with the Georgian president practically begging to join NATO then now would be the time to absorb the territory.
- jacen, on 08/12/2008, -2/+9ckedge, South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia, but I doubt it wants to be part of Russia either. The province has always wanted to be completely autonomous, which why I am confused at South Ossetia for trying to trade one master for another, the latter being even more fascist than the first.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5Actually, it does wants to be a part of Russia. Abkhazia, another breakaway region of Georgia wants to be a separate country.
- bebop34, on 08/12/2008, -2/+12ApMasterSite: Congratulations you are now a member of the ignorant Digg retards you just belittled. The people of South Ossetian don't consider themselves Georgians. They voted independence from Georgia and though voted for indepence feel more closely tied to Russia than Georgia. According to the Tskhinvali election authorities, the referendum turned out a majority for independence from Georgia where 99% of South Ossetian voters supported independence and the turnout for the vote was 95%[8] and the referendum was monitored by a team of 34 international observers from Germany, Austria, Poland, Sweden and other countries at 78 polling stations[9
- johnnyfistfight, on 08/12/2008, -13/+4Only the liberal Americans on Digg are retarded, ignorant, paranoid advocates of socialism and they are relishing what Russia is doing to Georgia. It gives them the opportunity to bash Bush about something and rant on about how much they hate their own government. Please don't lump us all in with those retards.
- rotundo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+10Hi. I'm a liberal American on digg, and your post doesn't describe even one bit of my feelings on the issue. I have a feeling you don't understand much about anything.
- anonymous1986, on 08/12/2008, -0/+7There are some very suspicious events with regard to the conflict, where the georgian forces started attacking south ossetia under the cover of the Olympics and a day after signing a ceasefire with the russians and south ossestian forces. You cannot forget that many people have been killed in south ossetia and 14 russian peacekeepers were killed before the russian intervention started. The issue is not black and white, russia has disproportionately used force. Additionally 90% of south ossetians would want to be independent or russian. The georgian president was trying to exert his will on the ossetians using brute force and he has now created a bigger mess of things. Hopefully though the mess can be solved soon. Also russia have denied that they have troops anwhere near gori. Both sides are spreading false propaganda so it is impossible to know the real situation.
- jabberwolf, on 08/12/2008, -8/+3I have to agree with ApMasterSite but johnnyfistfight is right.
Only the libtards try to make an excuse, ANYTHING to try and make America somehow responsible and Russia someone in the right for invading ALL of Georgia.
You have to understand that most are liberals that have no traveled, or is so, have traveled to tourist traps and think they are worldly.
Most do not know history and foolheartedly are bent on repeating it. They do not know Russia's history and refuse to acknowledge Putin's past as well.
Sadly Georgia is suffering and Russia is pushing its media machine, and doing so outside its borders thanks to the internet. And Diggtards have no idea its happening.- anonymous1986, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4As opposed to the conservatives like you who seem to know everything about the world. You learn everything from american propaganda, fox news springs to mind. You should hear from the other side of the story before making any judgements. Both sides are at fault. The united states is becoming involved in this by transporting georgian troops to fight against the russians, and dick cheney keeps talking war rhetoric. After the many lessons in many countries the united states would do best to stop intervening in other countries affairs without the support of the local population. Furthermore stop stereotyping everyone who disagrees with you as liberal.
- rotundo, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4What is your point in spewing such misguided ignorance? Have you polled the liberals on the site? Have you verified the political philosophies of those who posted comments you disagree with?
I'm a liberal American and I am not at all pleased with Russia's handling of the situation, and I'm not blaming the US. You might manage life a little better if you stop looking at everything through absurd oversimplifications. - nydwarf, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3Where's the liberals who are in favour of what Russia is doing? I can't find them.
- Chaoticfist, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3I support Russia in defending Russian citizens in the two break away regions as well as their peace keeping forces in those regions. I do not support the USA funding and training Georgian forces. I do not support a Russian invasion of all of Georgia. Btw i am a liberal on most issues.
Btw it is a fact that America has been training and funding Georgian troops. Do not make this into some anti American bul *****.
- NightVortez, on 08/12/2008, -0/+7That comment was ***** ridiculous, instead of reading ***** on digg and believing it, look at both sides of the story people, here is a surprisingly unbias and accurate coverage from wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_ ...
Don't take what either side says to heart. - luckless, on 08/12/2008, -0/+5Gori hasn't seen Russian soldiers at all according to AFP and Reuters.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj_jyRnqBYekXz ...
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB161645. ...
I'm more likely to believe them than CNN. Don't blindly listen to the media, read more than one source, I suggest starting with the wikipedia article which gets updates quite often about this from multiple sources. Granted it won't give you opinions but it will allow you to read what everyone is saying about this not just biased media.
Don't give in to either Russian or Western propaganda, read all the sources and make up your own mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_ ... - geoken, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6Even if Russian troops were advancing (which I don't believe) how is that a problem? Is it you belief that Georgia should be allowed to bombard Ossetia, then face no repercussions? Do you think if a country bombed America, or a protectorate of America, The U.S. would act to stop the conflict then take no further actions against the aggressor?
If someone is caught in the act of committing a crime should the police stop the crime, then allow the attempted perpetrator to go on his way? - sc0rpi0n, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5Because Americans support democracy and voting. All people of Ossetia voted not to be Georgians, so then what's up with suddenly lunching missiles to kill those people? You Europeans are ignorant yourselves. Maybe Georgia should get those territories back but not through WARS!
By the way, I'm Asian.- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1The United States doesn't really like Democracy. Think about how those neocons lost their ***** when Pakistan got their autonomy back from Musharraf.
We'll do anything to stop countries who don't like us from getting their way through the same electoral process we claim to hold dear. The best thing Bush can do is get involved with the United Nations instead of being the Devil going down to Georgia looking to make a deal. - sc0rpi0n, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Zen, I think Americans and United States is not one thing but different, at least for me. Americans are people. But for United States, I refer it to the government. Whether the government represents its people or not, that's another thing. In Georgia-Russia war, I don't think the US government and its people (at least American diggers) do not get the same idea on what's right and wrong.
- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1The United States doesn't really like Democracy. Think about how those neocons lost their ***** when Pakistan got their autonomy back from Musharraf.
- nirvanix, on 08/12/2008, -2/+4Ossetia declared it's independence from Georgia in the early 90s. It does not 'belong' to Georgia you dumbed-down triple necked idiot.
- Trilogy, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Where is their diplomatic recognition then?
- OBKenobi, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3All your base are belong to Russia.
- chr0nic21, on 08/12/2008, -3/+2you call us retarded...and then ask for our help???
***** yall then...go burn in hell...we got our own battles to fight. - JasonCox, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3"SOUTH OSSETIA DOES NOT BELONG TO RUSSIA!!"
And if you talk to South Ossetia, they'll say they dont belong to Georgia either.
- zofsky, on 08/12/2008, -17/+7South Ossetia and Abkhazia belong to Russia historically.
- monkeyrun, on 08/12/2008, -27/+112Meh Russia is just liberating Georgia.
Like how we liberated Iraq.- gudiablo, on 08/12/2008, -5/+17Well said
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -12/+6But they're not spreading Freedom, they're spreading Communism.
Did someone TELL you to stop hating Communists, Mr.? Get the hell outta muh kuntry! - Lososaurus, on 08/12/2008, -2/+18It's strange seeing another country be the *****...
- arcticblue, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5Now you know how the rest of the world has felt for the past few years.
- Fun4Two, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0Don't you have one of those ***** friend who seems to get you in trouble all the time, but you still love em to death.
- OutlawSundown, on 08/12/2008, -4/+5More like how Germany "liberated" Czechoslovakia in 1938. If the Russians get away with absorbing large chunks or the whole of Georgia then much of the old soviet bloc is trouble.
- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5Oh no! Domino effect! Want to refight Vietnam again? Take up arms for the genocidal South Koreans to stop the spread of Communism?
People who don't learn from history...are stupid. - geddon, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2More like how Georgia "liberated" South Ossetia in 2006. Your comparison makes no sense.
- ZenMojo, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5Oh no! Domino effect! Want to refight Vietnam again? Take up arms for the genocidal South Koreans to stop the spread of Communism?
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -17/+17How embarrassing the last few years must have been for intelligent, honest Russians.
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -5/+12How embarrassing the last few years must have been for intelligent, honest Americans.
- brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2Indeed it has...
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1That's got nothing at all to do with this thread.
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -5/+12How embarrassing the last few years must have been for intelligent, honest Americans.
- ashwinmudigonda, on 08/12/2008, -16/+7OK, here is the Karma of events.
South Ossetia wants to be free from Georgia, which wants to annex it to prove a point, causing Russia to annex Georgia which wants to be free from Russia, to prove a point.
Cycle of life, if you ask me.- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -3/+6How can Georgia annex its own territory?
- Shirleycakes, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6South Ossetia declared independence in the 90's. The United Nations and Georgia ignored it but the people of that region are very much not Georgian.
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2Well actually, they _are_ Georgian. Just because they might want to consider themselves not Georgian doesn't mean that they are not.
In my country we have thousands of Muslims who consider themselves not British. This does not alter the fact that they _are_ British.
- sockpuppets, on 08/12/2008, -2/+3Hakuna Matata.
- JaseFace, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1Whtat the hell are you talking about? South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Idiot.
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -3/+6How can Georgia annex its own territory?
- harrisbradley, on 08/12/2008, -11/+17I wonder if they made a secret pact with Germany not to get involved...
- harrisbradley, on 08/12/2008, -5/+4I can't believe you digg this down you douches.
- jbeardsl, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6I dugg you bro...
Historical ignorance FTL. - summner, on 08/12/2008, -2/+7I dugg you too...
for those who don't know
it's Ribbentrop Molotov Pact
When before WWII Soviet Russia and Nazi's divided Poland between themselves (again, *****!) - atdigg, on 08/12/2008, -3/+2There's no need, Germans and Europeans in general are too cowards to take Russia to task.
- redxninja, on 08/12/2008, -23/+1 United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republics will ever endure.
The great Soviet Union will live through the ages.
The dream of a people their fortress secure.
CHORUS:
Long live our Soviet Motherland, built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our People, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.
Through days dark and stormy where Great Lenin led us
Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above
and Stalin our Leader with faith in the People,
Inspired us to build up the land that we love.
CHORUS:
Long live our Soviet Motherland, built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our People, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.
We fought for the future, destroyed the invader,
and brought to our homeland the Laurels of Fame.
Our glory will live in the memory of nations
and all generations will honour her name.
CHORUS:
Long live our Soviet Motherland, built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our People, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.- jellygraph, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6like I said, russia is a silent brewing kettle of fascism and extreme nationalism.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4The US has a nuke with Moscow's name on it. Just name the time and place and we will be sure to oblige :)
- MrFurious2k, on 08/12/2008, -16/+44Russia has gone far beyond "peace keeping." I'm not advocating military action, but Russia needs to stop immediately.
I'd really like to see the EU step up and take the lead on this though. This is in their backyard and it is directly in their interest to take care of it.- zephyear, on 08/12/2008, -3/+29the EU won't do ***** because russia can just cut off the power to them
and the US won't do ***** because our hands are tied in iraq and afghanistan- nirvanix, on 08/12/2008, -3/+1no America won't do anything becuase they actually conspired to start it. and anyway, you're doing the same thing in Iraq.
- SiXiam, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Never!!!
Do you want WW3?
If the US attacks Russia, that's what we get...
- omar91, on 08/12/2008, -1/+22The EU depend on Russia's Oil ...so no , the EU will sit back and admire the fireworks
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -3/+2Which is why the invasion of Iran and a US controlled pipeline to the Caspian is now vital to world stability. Russia takes out Georgia, US takes out Iran. Its really quite that simple. Plus, this ***** is getting serious so the gloves will really come off when it comes to Iran and this time the EU will throw its full support behind us as they know the consequences of letting Russia control all of their oil supplies.
- MarkR69, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6I fully agree, the EU should take the lead on this. They won't just yet, but however, as Russia keeps up it's expanding pressure (which it inevitably will), EU will eventually be forced to react. That's exactly the situation the U.S. should try to achieve - EU responding and taking the lead to counter Russia's pressure. However U.S. could spoil it by too much direct involvement.
The fact that Sarkozy and not Bush is traveling to Russia and Georgia for a diplomatic mission, is actually a very good sign. - HeavyWave, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1Actually they've already stopped by now. And no they didn't go beyond peace keeping. Holding Georgian forces back a few kms from South Osetia wouldn't help.
- th3heretic, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Yea lets see how well the "Union" holds.
- zephyear, on 08/12/2008, -3/+29the EU won't do ***** because russia can just cut off the power to them
- batshitcrazy, on 08/12/2008, -2/+19if you look at the geography of the region, it's pretty evident what this is all about
- mistertrogdor, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Indeed, take a look... Iran is looking pretty screwed.
http://digg.com/world_news/Is_the_war_in_Georgia_r ...
- mistertrogdor, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Indeed, take a look... Iran is looking pretty screwed.
- Dejital, on 08/12/2008, -29/+32This is ridiculous... Georgia bombs and sends artillery shells at innocent citizens of South Ossetia, Russia hears South Ossetian pleas for help and comes in and Georgia retreats and all of a sudden Russia is the big bad country who wants to take over the world.
What did you expect Russia to do? Sit there and watch South Ossetia get torn to bits by Georgian soldiers? Of course not. Just because Georgia is an American ally doesn't mean that they can murder thousands of innocent people and go unpunished. Ridiculous.- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -11/+8http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/11/us.georgia/ ...
The conflict began last week after Georgia said it launched a military operation Thursday in South Ossetia after artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people.- angrybill, on 08/12/2008, -7/+9I have lost all faith in cnn due to their one sided handling of this conflict. Try a more world-class news organization, reuters, spiegel, etc.
- judicar, on 08/12/2008, -7/+11omfg that's the funniest thing I've read all day you should go to work for the Onion.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -4/+3Reuters is no better then CNN.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -6/+3Keep watching CNN bitch. Keep getting brainwashed. May be you can start a cartoon series with bush as a superhero who saves the world by bringing a democracy in exchange for oil.
- waydee, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5So its eye for an eye?
Russia claim to be "saving" South Ossetians - why are they advancing deeper and deeper into Georgia then?- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -2/+4to repel the aggressor and deny further capability to wage similar attacks again. if georgia has no more weapons they can't create more mischief.
- brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -5/+3Repeat after me:
South Ossetia does not belong to Russia. It belongs to Georgia. Georgia was removing the Russian troops that were illegally stationed there.
South Ossetia does not belong to Russia. It belongs to Georgia. Georgia was removing the Russian troops that were illegally stationed there.
South Ossetia does not belong to Russia. It belongs to Georgia. Georgia was removing the Russian troops that were illegally stationed there.
South Ossetia does not belong to Russia. It belongs to Georgia. Georgia was removing the Russian troops that were illegally stationed there.- johnny23, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3wow, do you even know what's going on here?
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1russian peace keeping forces were stationed there by the mandate of the United Nations. there goes your *****.
yet, this isnt even about the peacekeepers, nor is it about who south ossetia belongs to. there goes another layer of your *****.
its about Georgians massacring 2000 civilians. repeat after me Georgians KILLED TWO THOUSAND CIVILIANS. thats what this is about. there goes yet another layer of ***** of omission.
go to youtube, search for "tskhinvali" and listen to first hand accounts of what has transpired from the people suffered through it.
you're welcome to repeat your ***** as many times as you like, of course.
- DavidGX, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2"Just because Georgia is an American ally doesn't mean that they can murder thousands of innocent people and go unpunished. Ridiculous."
Because WE'RE (USA) the only ones who get to do that.
- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -11/+8http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/11/us.georgia/ ...
- coffee200am, on 08/12/2008, -18/+19Can someone post the locations of when massive protests will start against Russia and Putin?
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -1/+33Yes. Nowhere.
- omar91, on 08/12/2008, -1/+9at my house , would you like your cookies with milk and butter ?
- Shirleycakes, on 08/12/2008, -4/+3...did all of you forget that Putin isn't in charge of the Russian military? Hell, do any of you know who the current President of Russia is? I'm sick of all this talk of Putin.
- summner, on 08/12/2008, -3/+4Because, Putin only stepped down to not to violate constitution, and in consequence affirming western nations that it's not a real democracy. So Putin took some ***** who no one knew and appointed him as 'his' candidate. And the masses went to vote, and they voted for his candidate. So do you really think he is independent ? And could win the election without the Putin backing ? If Putin now said get the ***** out to Medviediev, what the nation would tell you ?
- tim04, on 08/12/2008, -1/+7who's in charge? I believe his name is still Putin.
A change in title means nothing. - zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -4/+1So, just because bush is endorsing mcsane, does that mean he's gonna remain in power? Ur *****.
- tim04, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2@ zhulik83.
You're a ***** idiot. I didn't know that Russia and the USA are the same nation. The same thing happened in China, when Hu Jintao took over for Jiang Zemin through a gradual process, even though Hu was named the "president". - brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2No, Bush will not remain in power because this isn't a communist-***** country.
- SiXiam, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Strongly Agree!!!
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -9/+1Check your local news station. My local NPR affiliate just reported that that mayor would strike a deal with the DEVUL HIMSELF to save our city. In actuality, the mayor said he would listen to Putin if he had a solution. Putin, Satan -- whateves. What we should focus on is the unbiasedness of trusted news sources such as NPR for clarifying exactly who is the Devil. DOWN WITH THE DEVUL! I mean CHAVEZ! No? CHINA! Dammit. DOWN WITH PUTIN! Gooooooooo FREEDOM!
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -3/+1Georgia. That way we can whoop your ass too.
- zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -2/+1Georgia. that way we can kick your ass too.
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -17/+151. Grant citizens of a foreign country passports for your country.
2. When these citizens try to steal part of a foreign country and hence get in some trouble, use the passport issue as an excuse to invade.
3. Make sure the country your are invading has an oil pipeline supplying countries which you wish to blackmail.
4. Profit?- Dejital, on 08/12/2008, -5/+9South Ossetia has been trying to become independent of Georgia for years. South Ossetia voted 99% in favor of independence:
http://www.regnum.ru/english/737823.html
Then Georgia sends artillery shells down their throats. You think that's fair?- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -6/+3No, I don't think it's fair that Georgia used violence against civilians, and I think that that's the reason why they haven't been assisted by the West.
However, simply wanting your own country isn't enough reason to get it. If your region is part of Georgia, then it's part of Georgia. Otherwise, we'll see a world with 100,000 different countries. Do you think that will lead to more or less peace? Hmmmmmmmmmm?
South Ossetia should peacefully ask for more autonomy, and they should never have accepted the offer of Russian passports. That was treasonous in my view. - Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -4/+4"However, simply wanting your own country isn't enough reason to get it. If your region is part of Georgia, then it's part of Georgia. Otherwise, we'll see a world with 100,000 different countries. Do you think that will lead to more or less peace? Hmmmmmmmmmm?"
It worked with Kosovo with the west's help. - poidh, on 08/12/2008, -4/+3Well, I don't agree that Kosovo should be its own country either. The West ***** up on that one big time.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -2/+5I think the .ru says it all.
- Dejital, on 08/12/2008, -3/+3Imagine if Texas voted 99% in favor of splitting from the United States... Who in their right mind would decline them the opportunity and then send the army there to kill all of the "separatists" which happen to be 99% of the population?
- Jingu, on 08/12/2008, -4/+2and what is your view on Tibet wanting to become its own country?
- Jingu, on 08/12/2008, -5/+0"However, simply wanting your own country isn't enough reason to get it. If your region is part of Georgia, then it's part of Georgia. Otherwise, we'll see a world with 100,000 different countries. Do you think that will lead to more or less peace? Hmmmmmmmmmm?"
And what is your view on Tibet wanting to become its own country? - brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Heh, we all love to say 'free tibet' because China sucks, but we don't really mean it.
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -6/+3No, I don't think it's fair that Georgia used violence against civilians, and I think that that's the reason why they haven't been assisted by the West.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -2/+7You forgot to mention the Russian peace keepers who were killed in those same attacks.
- poidh, on 08/12/2008, -5/+3You forgot the "". They were not peacekeepers. They were "peacekeepers". Simply calling them peacekeepers does not make them peacekeepers.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -4/+2Yeah because the west has such a good track at keeping the peace with "peacekeepers" as well.
- WishItWerePaul, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0@poldh: a contingent of armed troops standing between two otherwise skirmishing people under the mandate from the UN. hmm.. that sounds like the definition of peace keepers to me.
- brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -1/+2By 'peacekeepers', you meant 'illegally stationed troops'? Yeah, I thought so.
- geddon, on 08/12/2008, -3/+1Admit it: you have no idea what you're referring to.
- las12, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1The passport means 'You, the holder of this paper, at your own will accept all the duties and rights of country, issuer of this passport'
In its turn, country must protect their citizens everywhere. - las12, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0He promised for Saakashvili too much. you decide
- Dejital, on 08/12/2008, -5/+9South Ossetia has been trying to become independent of Georgia for years. South Ossetia voted 99% in favor of independence:
- kolinkoolface2, on 08/12/2008, -13/+10no doubt this is terrible, but let this be a new leaf by America to not intervene in other world affairs. I feel terrible for the people of Georgia but we have to sit this out.
- vacax, on 08/12/2008, -11/+17Putin is going to go George W Bush on their asses, regime-change style. He has a mandate.
- baltar2008, on 08/12/2008, -3/+10meaning he's gonna royally ***** everything up and sink his country into a pointless quagmire?
- brownr21, on 08/12/2008, -1/+3Hehe, we can hope...
- Shirleycakes, on 08/12/2008, -2/+2...why does everyone seem to think Putin is in charge of the Russian armed forces? Did you forget that the Prime Minister has no say in military affairs?
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6yeah and I'm Elvis... I'm all for spreading the truth and not listening to propaganda but last time I checked Putin was just as much in power as the PM of Russia as he ever was as the President of Russia.
Why do you think that all the foreign leaders are talking with him now and not with Medvedev.
- luckless, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6yeah and I'm Elvis... I'm all for spreading the truth and not listening to propaganda but last time I checked Putin was just as much in power as the PM of Russia as he ever was as the President of Russia.
- toefinder, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2you got it, Vacax. Putin is to Russia (KGB) as daddy Bush is to America (CIA). Two ruthless bastards
- baltar2008, on 08/12/2008, -3/+10meaning he's gonna royally ***** everything up and sink his country into a pointless quagmire?
- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -14/+14So Russian armed separatists start a war by shelling civilians, causing Georgian forces to enter the breakaway province. Yet everybody on Digg believes Georgia started the war. It's sad what people will believe because they want to, even if it makes no sense.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -6/+8It was Georgia who shelled South Ossetia first, despite whether they were inadvertently provoked. You cannot honestly expect to attack peace keepers of a world super power and civilians who have long wanted to break away from Georgia (Kosovo/Serbia issue once more). Then when the super power responds with overwhelming force to suddenly cry cease fire when it all turns sour. Followed by an attack on the province once again after running away crying.
The only reason Russia is still there and has not accepted the cease fire, which as they have already mentioned they want Georgia to agree to not attacking the area again.- geekee, on 08/12/2008, -6/+4Russia orchestrated this whole thing from the start. Get a clue.
- zeusthemoose, on 08/12/2008, -6/+5Kussie, are you seriously that ***** retarded? Why the hell would Georgia start a war with Russia? Its time for Russia to be put in their ***** place.
- rotundo, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4zeusthemoose... I wonder who could so easily put Russia in it's ***** place? It's all well and good in theory to say such cavalier things, but there's some snags on the practical execution.
Of course, this is a problem with just about every powerful country and other 800lb gorillas. - zhulik83, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1 zeusthemoose, we are in a right place. and our dick is in bush's *****. Check the news, he doesnt like that. Keeps tellin us to pull out.
- angeland8, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1zeusthemoose
I'm so kind today, I'll explain.
Georgia started the agression because:
- they didn't think Russia would react sending troops
- they thought NATO would help them
They were wrong. And now they are paying for that. Quite fair.
- DonQueso, on 08/12/2008, -7/+0it's got dubya, it's got war, it's got all the ***** that makes them completely irrational.
- Kussie, on 08/12/2008, -6/+8It was Georgia who shelled South Ossetia first, despite whether they were inadvertently provoked. You cannot honestly expect to attack peace keepers of a world super power and civilians who have long wanted to break away from Georgia (Kosovo/Serbia issue once more). Then when the super power responds with overwhelming force to suddenly cry cease fire when it all turns sour. Followed by an attack on the province once again after running away crying.
- wukillabee, on 08/12/2008, -9/+12I hope they dont attack mississippi
- coffee200am, on 08/12/2008, -9/+10Is this Bush's fault?
- geddon,