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Ron Paul Supporters Establish 'Paulville'
liveleak.com — A Libertarian community in West Texas
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- skateboard1, on 05/26/2008, -1/+21Someone please name one good thing that has ever come out of a West Texas compound
- sgiffy, on 05/27/2008, -0/+8Comedy?
- asskicker32, on 05/26/2008, -1/+13Ok, this is a little too creepy.
- ncairns, on 05/27/2008, -2/+12Hey, Paulentology is a religion like any other and they have every right to get themselves massacred by trying to defend their hilariously misguided understanding of United States law.
- Superperson, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2Isn't that what America is all about?
- ncairns, on 05/27/2008, -2/+12Hey, Paulentology is a religion like any other and they have every right to get themselves massacred by trying to defend their hilariously misguided understanding of United States law.
- Jassman, on 05/26/2008, -6/+4Chill out man, it's a town without building codes and over government nuisances.
Edit: This was meant to be a reply, but I'm tired and therefore retarded.- chaosium, on 05/27/2008, -0/+5"it's a town without building codes"
Libertarians are the smartest people.
- chaosium, on 05/27/2008, -0/+5"it's a town without building codes"
- PrestonM, on 05/26/2008, -8/+1Gault's Gulch FTW!
if you haven't done so, read Atlas Shrugged.- ncairns, on 05/27/2008, -0/+7As someone who has done so, I implore anyone who hasn't to ignore the above advice.
Awful, awful book.
- ncairns, on 05/27/2008, -0/+7As someone who has done so, I implore anyone who hasn't to ignore the above advice.
- onetimer, on 05/26/2008, -4/+17A gated community in West Texas with the intention of:
"The goal of Paulville.org it to establish gated communities containing 100% Ron Paul supporters"
Yeah, nothing cult-like about this at all, right paulities?
I can just see how this ends. The nutjobs who end up inhabiting this place will let group think carry them so far, that they'll stop paying taxes or something (sound familiar?). When the authorities come to arrest them, they'll feel that as "patriots", they have no choice but to "defend themselves", or they'll simply "drink the kool-aid". Either way, I can see this compou-- err-- "gated community" lasting very long.- thecoolestguy, on 05/27/2008, -2/+2At least they won't be sending their tax dollars to Israel.
Of course that is the main reason you fear the Ron Paul movement and insult it every chance you get on digg.
You're too selfish to care about America, even going as far as to insult the one movement that would return fiscal conservatism to America and scale back the empire and welfarism that is bankrupting America.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/27/2008, -2/+2At least they won't be sending their tax dollars to Israel.
- KMye, on 05/26/2008, -5/+17I'm ashamed to say I'm looking forward to following this and whatever tragically comedic or comedically tragic end it eventually reaches. I think we political junkies like to think we're better than most of the crass infotainment out there these days, but I think it's time we admit to ourselves: Ron Paul and his supporters' antics ARE the Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan of political news. And I seriously don't care. Maybe all of of us have at least a little part of ourselves that loves a good trainwreck.
- WiseWeasel, on 05/26/2008, -0/+11I'm ashamed to find myself in agreement with Onetimer on this one, and foresee headlines of an ATF raid on the Paulville 'complex' with heavy casualties. Isolating yourself in a closed community is no way to spread a message; this only marginalizes their cause, as they seem unable to relate to their fellow citizens.
- HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -4/+2"Isolating yourself in a closed community is no way to spread a message; this only marginalizes their cause, as they seem unable to relate to their fellow citizens."
*cough* Israel *cough* - onetimer, on 05/27/2008, -2/+3Yes but you probably imagine it will be some unfounded "police state" raid, when I imagine it will simply be a case of the paulities violating the law some how, refusing to surrender, and then shooting at the "invaders"...
- WiseWeasel, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2No, I'd say something along the lines of your scenario isn't out of the question. I won't comment on what dilusions any potential 'martyrs to freedom' might share, but I'll just say that these people are not going to change their country for the better by walling themselves off, and any aspirations of patriotism are poorly conceived at best.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/27/2008, -2/+2One reason Paul supporters might want to live together is that it is nice to socialize with people who share your views on politics. How can you respect someone who likes warmongering politicians and big government welfarism? People who share your political views are more likely to have a similar moral outlook as you, therefore libertarianism may want to associate with other libertarians.
- WiseWeasel, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2If your ideal is a just cause, then you should be able to convert those who you see as loving warfare or big government. Otherwise, you're deluding yourself or you're unable to effectively articulate your views, and you deserve to fail. All it takes to win people over is to be more convincing than your ideological opponents are (something that isn't very difficult at this point, given the hubris displayed in most political discourse), and separating yourself from them is not going to help further that goal. The big government lovers aren't your opponents, they're your target audience.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/27/2008, -2/+2I agree with that, but I like associating with people who care about politics and don't blindly support the status quo that the mainstream media peddles. I will still try to convert others, but I admire people, who like me, are deeply passionate about having just politicians in places of power.
- WiseWeasel, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2Personally, I think Paul's libertarian ideals only apply at the federal level, and there is still room for social services, as long as they are locally determined. I'm in this to increase my representation over government policy, by decentralizing power from the federal government to state and city governments, who I would expect to pick up the slack. I simply feel that my representation at the federal level is so poor, that they need to be defunded and de-authorized, giving that power back to more local authorities, which I would expect to be more responsive to voters. Therefore, I think it's important to distinguish libertarian versus collectivist policies at the federal and local levels, and avoid treating collectivism as a dirty word, since the social services provided ensure a minimum quality of life we've come to expect from a modern country. I think you can convince a whole lot more people to support decentralization of power, and libertarianism at the federal level, with the understanding that more local authorities would be picking up the slack.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/28/2008, -0/+3Excellent point. I agree that the way to go is to point out to people that a small federal government that leaves the issue of social services to local communities is better.
My point is that I respect politically passionate/altruistic people. I admire people who care about the Constitution, people who care enough about the issues to do research and find the right answer, and then once they've found the right answers, to spend time promoting them. I admire/respect libertarians. I also admire/respect people who, while not libertarians, work to return Constitutional governance which gives States autonomy. I want to associate with these people, because if they share my political beliefs, they also probably share other values. - WiseWeasel, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2That's fine, but I just think a town cannot function without pooling resources on things like security, fire protection, road and infrastructure improvement, etc. At the local level, I'm inclined to believe that libertarian policies are not very workable.
I like hanging out with people of all types, and I've got friends who are Hillary supporters and Obama supporters (don't know any McCain supporters, maybe they just keep it private), or just hate them all, and although political discussions can get heated at times, I'm not going to start hanging out with different people just because they support Paul. A town like Paulville has got to attract some of the most devoted followers the guy's got, and I imagine they might be something of a drag to hang out with. Being with people who think the same as you is boring.
But yeah, I imagine a progressive decentralist such as myself would feel out of place living with strict libertarians, and I might come to find that we don't share many political views in common at all. At the federal level, there's enough room for everyone to fit under the same tent, as we can mostly agree that our representation at the federal level sucks ass, but at the local level, it all breaks down, as everyone has different ideas about how localized power should be used.
- HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -4/+2"Isolating yourself in a closed community is no way to spread a message; this only marginalizes their cause, as they seem unable to relate to their fellow citizens."
- sgiffy, on 05/27/2008, -1/+9Lets just hope all his supports decide to follow these brave pioneers and leave the rest of us the ***** alone.
- WhiskeyWrites, on 05/27/2008, -0/+7Didn't Ron Paul already say this was a bad idea?
- thecoolestguy, on 05/27/2008, -4/+1Ron Paul supporters are the best.
Israel supporters like onetimer hate Ron Paul supporters.
They want more American tax dollars and apathetic Americans, not dedicated Americans with strong political convictions.
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