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- warfang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52"If she had allowed the men to rape her and her niece, the girls would have been subjected to 100 lashes under Iranian laws on chastity. If they had been married at the time they were raped they would likely have been found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning."
Makes me want to throw up. I can't believe those laws. It's horrific. - nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -46/+93More like Muslims work in mysterious ways. What a bunch of ***** idiots to give rapists more rights than a woman who was raped. No wonder most people look down upon their religion.
- yubpro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45i'm pretty sure a certain middle eastern girl may beg to differ...
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -19/+59"That is one of the most racist comments I have ever read on digg and people are digging you up... un ***** believable. It has nothing to do with the Muslim religion, I am so sick of people bad mouthing it, it is about the laws of the country. There are millions of Muslims all around the world (Including many in America) I guarantee you most would disapprove of this. Blame the laws of the country not the religion of the people around it."
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I hate to break this to you, but Iran's laws are based on Sharia: Islamic law. Many muslims may disapprove, but that doesn't change the fact that these laws were developed using the Quran and Hadith. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -10/+49Under Iranian law, the value of a man's life is twice as great as that of a woman. "A man who had killed a woman could not get the death penalty unless the victim's family paid him a female person's worth of dieh," Ms Azmdeh said. "This way, the victim's life plus the amount of dieh, would be equal to a full person, ie, a man's life."
Glad they have nukes, with this kind of society what could go wrong? - LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -23/+52@ nsummy
Uh, right, because it's not like Christians have ever had any unfair or dangerous stances on sexual propriety.
The fact that Iranian law is ***** up is not caused by Islam, nor is such anti-female idiocy exclusive to Muslims. In 18th century Europe, for instance, it was not uncommon for women who'd been raped to be shunned by society and considered unfit for marriage, on account of having been "ruined." Those folks were Christians.
To say that "most people look down on their religion" (a) is inaccurate and (b) completely misconstrues the reality of a terrible situation. It's easy to say, "There's nothing we can do -- they're Muslims," and wash your hands of the situation, but it accomplishes nothing. The world isn't so black and white as you're portraying it here. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26This is true. In this case, I guess you could say he worked through a former Miss World runner-up who was able to bring wide-spread attention to this situation, and hopefully reclaim justice for this girl. Good for her, and good for those people that supported this cause. Hopefully, this girl will be exonerated, and be able to continue on with her life.
Who says that celebrities are useless to society? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34Iran sounds like an all-you-can-rape buffet.
- exodii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I am an Iranian living in Iran (I'm male), and, let me say that these laws disgust me just as much as they disgust everybody else in the world.
Hearing about this is bad enough. but try *living* here.
The plain fact is that Iran's judiciary system is run by old ayatollahs who care nothing about human rights. Couple that with @hmadinejad, 'the dictator', and you get complete stupidity. - drjones78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21From TFA
"If she had allowed the men to rape her and her niece, the girls would have been subjected to 100 lashes under Iranian laws on chastity. If they had been married at the time they were raped they would likely have been found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning."
Unbeleivable. Dont even know what to say. I'm sure most of us have heard about how badly women are treated over there,, but everytime I read something like this, it still stuns me that this is a real place that exists on planet earth. Just unbeleivable.
Kudo's to the girls boyfriends, though, for running at the first sign of trouble... - Skurvydog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+231. She was attacked and was about to be raped.
1a.If she "allowed" herself to be raped (people who wrote these laws do not comprehend the definition of rape) she would be lashed 100 times.
1b. If she defended herself resulting in injury to her attackers, she could be put to death.
2. Both 1.a and 1.b clearly shows these laws ah Sharia religion of peace and enlightenment advocates rape over stopping of said rape.
IMHO this is how Radicalisms in any religion can state " Behead any of those who say Islam is not a religion of peace".
Peace to all is what we strive toward. Just like " Good will toward Man" implies not killing them. - kavery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Makes our ***** legal system look like a virtual utopia of justice.
- SeraphimJulius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18What the hell?!?!
Did you guys read the article?
A man's life in Iran is worth twice more than a woman's. If a man kills a woman he won't get death for the crime at all, unless of course the family pays him the amount that is worth a man's life. What the hell is up with that *****? I thought some of the laws here in the US were messed up but its not that messed up. - MrBound, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17So, if this girl was your daughter, or sister, you'd be perfectly content to let her die?
Please, explain to me how this backasswards system is worthy of respect. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19azzrik the facts are, whatever you are trying to say, it makes sense very little, ponies are fun.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I'm the official Middle Eastern non-native speaker clarifier.
The OP was trying to say that by giving the victim the death sentence, the state (Iran) supports rapists and that they have more rights than the victims they rape. Furthermore he was using this example to criticize Iran's concept of justice. - Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -37/+52@nsummy
That is one of the most racist comments I have ever read on digg and people are digging you up... un ***** believable. It has nothing to do with the Muslim religion, I am so sick of people bad mouthing it, it is about the laws of the country. There are millions of Muslims all around the world (Including many in America) I guarantee you most would disapprove of this. Blame the laws of the country not the religion of the people around it. - rwinograd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Under Iranian law, the value of a man's life is twice as great as that of a woman. "A man who had killed a woman could not get the death penalty unless the victim's family paid him a female person's worth of dieh," Ms Azmdeh said. "This way, the victim's life plus the amount of dieh, would be equal to a full person, ie, a man's life."
question about this... does that mean that the family can pay the rapist to die...?
Woman gets killed
Family of girl pays killer money (equal to value of woman's life)
Family of girl kills killer?
Killer's family gets money
...uses money to kill girl's family?
I am so confused - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14FTA:
"If she had allowed the men to rape her and her niece, the girls would have been subjected to 100 lashes under Iranian laws on chastity. If they had been married at the time they were raped they would likely have been found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning."
"Ms Azmudeh cited a case where a woman was prosecuted for injuring her boss as he tried to rape her at work: "Because she had showed up at work on a Friday [a weekend day in Iran] they could not claim 'self-defence' because her presence at the office on a Friday when she knew the boss was there constituted her 'invitation' to be raped."
simply amazing... - Ladymongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Sadly, under Middle Eastern "justice", the woman is always at fault when it comes to "crimes of passion". The female is always, at heart, the evil temptress and it's never the man's fault that she tempted him. This sort of story is simply sickening. Imagine being stoned for getting raped. What a ***** up country.
- RandolphDuke, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Why is rape such a fun hobby in the middle east? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it isn't a crime (unless you are the rape-ee).
- charmander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@ MusicalGenius
It wasn't a revenge killing, it was SELF-DEFENSE. There won't be any justice in convicting and executing her for this. - Rhelim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Every comment on every story..this is getting ridiculous. Get this guys Digg account banned PLEASE!!
- LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -15/+28@ Chompy
"I hate to break this to you, but Iran's laws are based on Sharia: Islamic law."
Yeah, well, the Spanish Inquisition was undertaken in the name of the New Testament. That doesn't mean Christianity is a faith based in torture. There are other issues at play here. - SeraphimJulius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13There comes a point where yes respecting someone else's culture is a good thing. Then there are times when its just stupid. This is the time where its just stupid.
Do you have a moral system? She would of been either lashed or killed if she allowed them to rape her! A person has every right to defend themselves from harm no matter where they are. I do not care for the culture, its every human right to be safe! If a person comes up to you would you let them do what they wish to you if it was their culture? - drjones78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12No, just because some abhorent behavioral traits get labeled as a "culture" does not mean they should be automatically tolerated without consideration.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that for every rapist that gets killed or dies, the world becomes a better place, but hey.. thats just me and my crazy culture! - LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14@ Jun168
"Christians were the same way hundreds of years ago but they finally realized how stupid it was to kill one another over religion."
This isn't a Holy War among Muslims we're talking about, so I don't see the connection. No one is killing each other over "religion." They're killing each other because of preposterous laws.
"When are Muslim societies going to grow up?"
Given the rate of globalization? Probably very soon. But Christians didn't "grow up" because they are naturally more enlightened; it has a lot more to do with issues of economy, natural resources, and subsequent stability -- allowing for increases in education, philosophy, and rationality. - Ladymongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11gosh, unversed...you sure seem to be siding with the rapist here. What a stupid comment. "She had no right to take his life"....excuse me??? She has no right to defend herself???If a guy tried to rape me you can be sure i'd have no problem removing him from the planet. The Iranian justice system is total crap. Why the hell should I respect a culture of treating women like utter garbage? Stop trying to be so PC and start being human.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14@azzrik:
I cannot understand a single thing that you are talking about. In either reply. Perhaps that is why you're being dugg down? - exodii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm not afraid of speaking out the truth.
If I get punished for it, it's still my decision, and I'm willing to take all the responsibility. - Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Lixie
I sorta agree with what you are saying, but in case of rape (or other stuff) people shouldn't really have to think "I need to defend myself but only in a way in which I will not be raped and my raper is completely safe, if such way is impossible, I should let him rape me, for his life is worth more than being raped". - Ladymongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10utterly disgraceful....there is no such thing as justice for women in some countries
- kadbarma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Retrial!? She should be sent home with a big "Sorry we ***** through your ass in jail for killing some pig" banner and a gift certificate to Red Lobster. I'm so sick of people.
- Managore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Fortunately women's rights in general in the middle east is improving, if only very slowly. The fact she is getting a retrial may help to improve how situations like this pan out in the future over there.
- habibbijan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'm American-born but Iranian by descent. Sadly, I hear these kinds of stories almost every day. It's disgusting.
One must remember that there is a difference between a country's government and its people. Iran hasn't always been this brutal (nor has it always been Islamic, but that's a different story), and hopefully it will not be for many more generations. There's a growing movement in Iran that wants more freedom from its fascist, hard-line regime. Change must come, but it must come from within.
My hope is that in my lifetime the growing unrest of the younger generations in Iran will oust their fanatic government and restore their country to at least a semblance of their former grandeur. - Ladymongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Fscker..what the hell??? I mean do you seriously think a woman who defends herself against someone who is trying to rape her is MURDER>???? Are you out of your mind??
You wrote:
"Rape is a despicable thing, but so is murder. Is the life of some person, be it a rapist or a young girl, atonement for any crime?"
Murder is the willfull and pre-planned intention to killl another human being. How do you call an impulsive act for self-preservation "murder'. Does this young woman not have the right to defend her body and possibly her life? I have friends that were raped and I can tell you that something inside you dies when you are raped. For all intents and purposes, the victim IS "murdered" in a way. They will never be the same and frankly I have zero sympathy for any man who dies in attempting to rape anyone.
Franky I am totally shocked at the lack of sympathy of some DIGG people. - Barnolde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8She's heroic and nothing else. Hang her? Bah, give her a friggin medal!
Straight from the article:
"According to the Iranian daily newspaper Etemaad, Ms Fatehi and her niece were in a park in Karaj, just outside of Tehran, with their boyfriends when they were approached by three men. The boys fled after the men pushed the girls to the floor. Ms Fatehi then drew a knife and stabbed one man in the arm and another in the chest, killing him.
If she had allowed the men to rape her and her niece, the girls would have been subjected to 100 lashes under Iranian laws on chastity. If they had been married at the time they were raped they would likely have been found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning." - beingdevious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"If she had allowed the men to rape her and her niece, the girls would have been subjected to 100 lashes under Iranian laws on chastity. If they had been married at the time they were raped they would likely have been found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning."
im sorry, but thats just ***** up.
a) rape
b) death by hanging for killing a man (worth twice your own life)
c) 100 lashes
d) death by stoning?
let the girl go! - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Respect? What about this sentence is there to respect? She was defending herself. This is the same country that hanged two young males for being gay. Don't preach respect about this. The line must be drawn somewhere.
- leftfoot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9All this hanging stuff, First Saddam, the 2 kids, that dude with the ugly date, and this?
Daymn
*Invests in rope companies* - drethedog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7OMG.... God Bless our Laws......
- LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@ foobar5892
Horror stories from Iran are not new to Western media. If they are indeed becoming more prevalent, is that really so surprising? Newspaper editors are more likely to run stories from countries that are hot topics, because readers are drawn to familiarity, and want to read about places most relevant to the news.
It's like saying, "I find it interesting that travel stories from Greece became more and more prevalent when we were getting ready to have the Olympics there." Well, yeah, duh. It's not a conspiracy. - rwinograd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I pray that the privacy laws are nice in Iran...i have a feeling your gov't may not appreciate your commments.
- rockset, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's self defense you idiot. If somebody jumped on you and you waved a knife to defend yourself, should you be hanged for it?
- LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ CaptPlanet
It's not at all clear that it was the young woman's intent to murder him. She stabbed him in self-defense -- presumably in the midst of a struggle -- and he died from the wounds. At worst, that sounds like manslaughter, not murder (at least, in American terms). - quickgold192, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I see where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand the situation. She killed him while he was trying to rape her, not as revenge or after the fact. It was self-defense.
- cristobal87, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13@jun168
just because christians don't kill each other anymore doesn't mean they are grown up. it just means that they live in societies which do not allow them to kill other people who don't live up to the christian standard. christians still hate just as much as muslims do. - dromard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I know there are many Muslim states and they all seam to have their own interpretation of the faith, but this is outrageous. It seems these women were screwed as soon as the 3 men approached them. I feel sorry for the women in Iran. Their lives must be so restrictive.
- Skurvydog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5MusicalGenius,
I love music and that you are a genius at it but logic is not your forte. I am not attacking you so please, do not get offended. You are a young girl in a society where being out of your home with out a Male relative makes you guilty. Three aggressive men come after you. At best your Honor is compromised. Like how females are killed for "Honor" violations. The men have a license to do what ever they want as the Religious law has given them the ability to do so. Many feel it is their duty to "teach you a lesson".
If you as an "artist" can put yourself in that situation for a moment, would you not fight back? It is not about a rape per murder. How simplistic. It is about you being a human being and not property. Are you property? Do you want to be designated as to be property? Worth less than others dictated by a book that was written thousands of years ago to suppress others to gain control of the illiterate? - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Remember, kids, religion and politics don't mix. Can you think of any decent theocracies? Bhutan, maybe?
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