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Residents Angered by Group's Distribution of Korans

foxnews.com — Some Houston residents are upset after Korans were distributed to hundreds of homes in their neighborhood as part of a campaign to educate people about Islam.

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  • drachemorder, on 07/02/2008, -1/+27Okay, I don't like Islam, but I think it's really bad form to be offended by people handing out copies of the Koran. They're not hurting anything.

    Besides, I need some new toilet paper.
    • mejaredme, on 07/02/2008, -1/+20Lol. I'm with you 100%
    • priamel, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1Quite a serious issue, and I agree completely. I too dislike Islam completely, but if it is worth fighting for freedom in Iraq, it is worth retaining freedom in America.

      I get it why Christians do not want the Koran passed out, but I am completely confident that whomever the real God is can protect Himself. If our God is anything, He is powerful.

      Let freedom ring, and when it does, real freedom can be known. Let the Korans, the Bibles, the atheist info all be passed out. The truth will set the reader free.

      It is kind of like abortion. Sure, it is legal, but make sure the moms-not-to-be know what the impact of it is. Let information be freely exchanged.
  • Mom2GIQM, on 07/02/2008, -13/+16False doctrine is false doctrine everything outside of Judeo-Christian worship is Satan worship.

    I would be very offended if people were walking around handing out the Satanic Bible or some other false god...a.k.a. Satan-worshiping...text.

    As far wiping your hiney with it....you should be careful of the demonic influences that would be bringing into your home by bringing in the Koran. I don't know about you, but I'd be scared of welcoming demons into my bathroom. LOL
    • MacBigot, on 07/02/2008, -1/+19I'm sure the Saudis are using the exact same logic when they refuse to let Bibles into their country.
      • Nannybell, on 07/02/2008, -6/+15Don't be so *fair,* Mac. You'll start sounding like a liberal, and we'll need to worry about you. :) (just kidding!) The Christian goal is to save souls, period. Their goal is to conquer the world for Allah and install sharia law everywhere.
      • MJG2007, on 07/03/2008, -5/+3Honestly, that's pretty much the goal of many Christians as well. Conquer the world for God (Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh) and install Biblical based law everywhere.

        Not really surprising, I guess, considering both religions of offshoots of the same religion.
      • Salesti, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Ehhhh.....not so much. Look up "Al-ilah".
  • TYRONEBR549, on 07/02/2008, -4/+22Starter fuel for my grill so I can cook my pork ribs and pork chops right! YEA!
  • SuperUSA, on 07/02/2008, -5/+26Where's the ACLU? (crickets sound) If it was catholics handing out bibles the ACLU would be up in arms demanding an apology and maybe defending lawsuits for people claiming the bible made them tripped and hurting themselves. Ridiculous.
    • Ruler4you, on 07/02/2008, -5/+7Just because you believe that the ACLU stands for what it tells you it stands for doesn't mean they do in fact stand for those things.
      The ACLU is a socialist front group just like CAIR is a front group for Islam. The U.N. and the ACLU are almost the same dogma (save the 'constitutional defender' crap). Both have a history of only one thing regarding the united states and that is the restriction of liberties. That's all. In the history of either organization neither has ever increased liberties for anyone.
      The U.N.'s own charter calls for restrictions on the Rights enjoyed by citizens of the several States (that's us) and makes it clear that THEY grant the "rights" they do permit you to have. And so can revoke them at any time.
      The ACLU isn't going to sound off on this unless it's in favor of it.
    • dshPls, on 07/02/2008, -3/+9Well here's a direct contradiction to your hypothetical scene. You're an idiot.

      "ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages (2/21/2003)"
      http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/1282 ...
      • Salesti, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Only a loser weenie would punish a child for having candy. so the Anti-Christian Litigation Unit knew they had NOTHING to fear! I'd like to see them face a tiger, so to speak.
      • dshPls, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/religion/12811p ...

        "ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School"

        There ya go. The ACLU defends Christians when they're right, your problem is you think you can't ever be wrong, so you dislike them.
    • Taquoshi, on 07/02/2008, -4/+12The ACLU is under a rock some where. They were no where to be found when the Gideons handing out Bibles and New Testaments near a school were arrested. The Gideons filed with the police, were outside the school perimeter and on a public sidewalk when a officer busted them on some obscure public nusiance law.

  • IndyJim, on 07/02/2008, -3/+16Wonder what the reaction would be of the folks distributing the Koran if people were to refuse the Koran but give them a Bible in return and talk to them about their Prophet Jesus. After all, Jesus is mentioned as a Prophet in the Koran. Interesting that if Jesus is a prophet listed in the Koran, and as followers of the Koran they are to listen and obey the words of a prophet when they speak, then why don't Muslims believe what Jesus said about himself....that He was, and is God in the flesh? (John 8:58 ""I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!""). My solution is to engage these folks in conversation about the salvation that can only be found in Jesus, the Christ. Bet they don't stick around too long to talk.
    • flip2trip, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7Mooslums believe that people corrupted what was in the Bible to reflect what they wanted to believe, therefor the only true word of god (according to them) is the Koran.
    • drachemorder, on 07/02/2008, -2/+10Well, you're right. They're just hanging the things on doorknobs and running. A bit too chicken to actually talk to people, I reckon.
      • f15ric, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7Actually its a bit like bait. Going fishing to see what bites.
    • SQLDigger, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5If they're anything like Mormons, they'll keep pushing the sale. On the plus side, if you can keep them engaged for a while in theological discussion, you might be able to spare some poor souls down the road exposure to their nonsense.
      • drachemorder, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4That's sort of what I did. I talked to the local Mormon missionaries for several months before they eventually gave up. But that wasn't due to any sort of strategy on my part --- I just like discussing theology with anyone who will listen!
  • f15ric, on 07/02/2008, -3/+20The Koran is being used to influence the weak minded into worshiping their god. Once they have believers, they will use them to attack us from within. It is the new form of communism to spread their message. They can not force us to accept it through violence, our military is much to strong for that. Perhaps spreading their religion from within like a virus that attacks a computer system would be a much easier task. Only then, will we be forced to accept it. Think its not happening now? Guess again. Being in law enforcement, I see it all the time.....Check your computer, a virus is spreading.
    • DYMongoose, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1What does that even mean? Check my computer for the Koran?
      • f15ric, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7If I have to simplify that even more then its not worth explaining.
  • pennhead, on 07/02/2008, -1/+17Send all of them to Scotland where they can line their puppy kennels with them.
  • ramiro, on 07/02/2008, -2/+18Why get angered - this is a good opportunity to evangelize Muslims, present them with a Bible.
    • Christianptriot, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4They came int he night - int he darkness so as to prevent the opportunity to be converted
  • McMescalero, on 07/02/2008, -3/+18The Muslims in Houston should have thought a lot longer and consulted their adult non-Muslim friends to see if this was the way to win our hearts and minds. Because the "Religion of Peace" allows routine lying, enslavement of women and encourages in-the-boy's-exit-port sex. It teaches boys to hate girls to make it easier for them to ignore their natural human demand to have sex with who God (and evolution) designed them to have sex with. And apparently they hate puppies. They claim 1 billion are Muslims? Now there's a whopper. Remember, Islam means submission. America, ready to submit?
    • Taquoshi, on 07/02/2008, -4/+10If I am not mistaken, to become a muslim, you only have to repeat a particular prayer three or five times and then you are considered a muslim for life. Also, if your father is a muslim, you are a muslim, regardless of what you think or believe. So, it's a quick and easy way to inflate numbers.
      • eir574, on 07/02/2008, -6/+10Do you really think that a person has no choice but to consider himself to be a member of a certain religion just because his father was a member of that religion? My mother is Jewish. Am I therefore forced to consider myself to be a Jew (in the religious sense) for the rest of my life? Muslims may count children of Muslim men among their ranks, but so what? It's entirely meaningless if they aren't practicing Muslims.
      • Squidwalk, on 07/02/2008, -4/+7I don't think Taquoshi was necessarily approving of it, but it is a pretty common stance of most religions to have their members introduce their children to the religion of their parents. It really is quite the tactic, to pressure unknowing and intellectually defenseless children into a belief system that they don't have the developed cognitive skills to meaningfully accept or reject. Reminds me of those old stories of the ritualized foot-binding of children. They hurt them while they're young, and usually cripple them for life.
      • eir574, on 07/02/2008, -3/+7"I don't think Taquoshi was necessarily approving of it"

        Perhaps not. It's getting hard to tell who believes that particular argument and who's just repeating it for explanatory purposes. There seem to be plenty of people (some of whom have posted on digg) who truly think that once someone is a Muslim, even if only by virtue of having a Muslim father, he has no choice but to be a Muslim for life.

        Did you watch Jesus Camp? There was a scene where a child said, "At five I got saved...because I just wanted more of life." If I remember correctly, that documentary (or another one) also had an interview with a parent who recounted the story of how her child was saved even earlier, as if it were somehow an independent choice. Not all parents who teach their religious beliefs to their children are that extreme, of course.
      • flip2trip, on 07/02/2008, -2/+6@eir

        Can we make an assumption (just for arguments sake, I know who I am talking to) that the God of the Bible is in fact true and that Jesus is the way to salvation?

        Having said that, do you think that Jesus would refuse a child's acceptance of Him as his/her savior because he/she was too young?

        Mark 10:15
        Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

        Matthew 18:3
        ....and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

        Matthew 19:14
        But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

        all quotes from NKJV
      • eir574, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7My point was that the people interviewed for the documentary (or documentaries, in case I'm thinking of two separate ones) talked about the children as if they'd made independent choices. I also find it a little odd that a five year old wanted more out of life.
      • flip2trip, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6@eir--I'm curious, if your child (I don't know if you have any or not, but play along anyway) wanted to go to say vacation bible school would you:

        1. let him/her or not and 2. if you did, and he/she came home and said that they had accepted Jesus as savior, would you discourage this decision or let it play out on its own allowing the child to go to church, baptism etc...?
      • eir574, on 07/03/2008, -3/+8My point is not that children shouldn't be allowed to follow up on those kinds of interests, but that it's unrealistic for parents to believe that young children are making those decisions entirely independently. While I'm not a parent myself, my parents have told me that one of the hardest things they had to do (and I suspect this is a general issue in parenting) was to determine when I was expressing interest in something just to please them and when I truly had a desire to do something. It was important to them to make sure that they encouraged me to follow up on my interests and to try new things even if I didn't necessarily have independent interests, but it was also important to them to allow me to consider those decisions again as I got older.

        I did the whole religious school thing 1-3 times per week from early childhood until I made the decision to drop out somewhere around 9th or 10th grade (classes met fewer times per week for younger students). I played the piano and clarinet for many years until I decided that I didn't have enough time and wasn't interested enough to continue. There were other interests that never waned.
      • Taquoshi, on 07/03/2008, -2/+7In the Western world, we respect individual's choice, but this is not so in other countries.

        There have been cases in the Middle East where people have been imprisoned, or beaten because they were not being observant muslims. One woman was nearly killed because her parents were married they were Christians, her father left her mother, became a muslim and married another woman, later left that woman and declared himself a Christian. I don't think he returned to the family. She grew up living with her mother in a Christian home and married a Christian man. Her father then rejected Christianity and declared himself a muslim again. The woman, who -- mind you --- always had been a Christian, was arrested, beaten and imprisoned because she had married a non muslim since her father had declared himself muslim. When the story got out, she was finally released from prison and she and her husband have left their homeland for their own safety.

        Others have denied educations because they won't declare themselves muslims. Forget having a business or holding a well paying job.

        Even here in the U.S. and in the U.K., muslim fathers have murdered their teenage daughters because they believed that they were becoming too "westernized". These aren't issues where people's feelings are "hurt" because someone laughed at them, or mocked them, or wore a shirt with a message they deemed offensive. These are cases where people have suffered grievous harm from family members. It's not about singing some children's song in Sunday School or saying that you "wanted more" from life at age five. Some child saying that to a muslim father would likely be beaten to death with the full approval of the relatives and the community.




      • eir574, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7@Taquoshi,

        Given the number of posts I've seen on digg where people claim that Obama is a Muslim merely because his father is, I interpreted your comment more along those lines than along the lines of perception by the radical element of Islam. You said in your post that it's impossible to leave Islam, which is like saying that it's impossible to leave a gang. It may be true that some people will do anything in their power to prevent a person from leaving their gang and living to tell the tale, but that says nothing about what's in the person's heart. (Just to be clear, I'm not stereotyping all Muslims here. You described a radical element of Islam in your post, which does exist, but it doesn't encompass all Muslims.)
      • Squidwalk, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7@ flip2trip

        From what I remember of Mark 10:15 and 18:13, the "as a little child" part was less literal and more of a metaphor for accepting the belief in Christ as a child accepts things their parents tell them are best for them. More of a mentality thing.

        As someone who was previously Christian, I remember the belief that a personal relationship with God was an important part of the faith. I'm not sure how you can properly develop this before you have the frame of reference to choose Christ of your own unbiased volition. Doesn't it seem more meaningful to know of the world of doubters and choose Christ than it does to be brought up with Christ as the only choice?

        @eir

        Yeah, I saw Jesus Camp. It was rough, but I didn't think it was as rough as The Devil's Playground. That's the one about the half-educated Amish kids they let out into the real world so they can make a "choice." That was really brutal, I'll never support an Amish business again. That and the puppy mills. I guess the Amish are all around bad customers.
      • Salesti, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4So true. I don't understand so many folks have missed the many sad stories of Islamic leaders who slaughter 'Muslims" who have never chosen that religion. No respect out there for the facts!
      • eir574, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6@Salesti

        I've never personally come across someone who doesn't understand that some Muslims have killed others for leaving Islam, even if they were considered to be Muslims only because their fathers were. But, I have definitely come across people who seem to think that *every* Muslim will kill others for leaving Islam. Have you perhaps mistakenly taken a denial that every Muslim will kill for Islam as a denial that it happens at all?
      • flip2trip, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3@squid

        You are correct that the scripture is metaphorical in nature as it refers to adults. I was using this as an example to eir to demonstrate the type of faith we are to have when we come to know Christ as savior, the faith as a child. With this I was hoping to point out that if we are to have the faith of a child, then it stands to reason that a child can have a genuine faith in Christ.


        Now on to your other point. If a child makes a profession of faith at a young age is that person making an individual choice or just a choice to please others, in particular their parents? I cannot answer this question. Only God knows the condition of a persons heart. If a child makes a profession of faith, and it is not genuine, then I believe that child with not adhere to that faith when he gets older. I can attest to this from my own personal experience.

        I actually made a profession of faith at five years old and when I got older, I abandoned that faith and was basically a nominal Christian, I had no need of God, or so I thought.

        When I was 36 years old I lost my job (fired for the first time in my life) and was having trouble finding another one and wound up moving back home to live with my parents. During this time at home, as you can imagine, I became depressed about my situation and figured I was a complete failure. It was at this point I began questioning God and why he would let this happen to me. I became angry with God and blamed Him for my situation. Then, one night, I came to the end of myself, so to speak, and cried out to God from the very pit of my soul and asked God to reveal Himself to me. And He did!

        God confirmed in me that He had heard my prayer when I was five, and He had recognized me as one of His own (was I saved at this point? Honestly, I don't know). He had allowed me to go through what I went through in order to break me and show me that I was not in control of my life. Any resemblance of control was illusory and only served to give me a false sense of security. I did need Him. It was at this point I allowed Jesus to be Lord of my life. And my life has never been the same since.

        This is what He wants with everyone. Not lip service, but a genuine relationship with Him. It's free. It's available to all. If you want to believe, but are having trouble, then all you have to do is truly ask God to reveal Himself to you and He will, if you mean it, He will.
      • Taquoshi, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4to eire - Twenty years ago, I was a English as a Second Language correspondence teacher. I corresponded with people from all over the world, including many muslims.

        One student in Pakistan asked me about Abraham Lincoln. When I sent him a very brief biography of Lincoln's life, he told me that he would have beaten me within an inch of my life for being so insubordinate and presuming to know more than he did.

        Another student proposed marriage and assured me that he would only beat me occasionally. Of course, I would not be allowed to read books or write, or have any other associations, because I would be living in Indonesia with him.

        Two other muslim students of mine also died during the course of our correspondence. Both of them died because there were "political" incidents where the more radical element, shall we say, of the faith took exception to those who were not quite as passionate or observant about their faith. One was a computer student hoping to emigrate to the US. and another was a school teacher in Ceylon.

        One particular person, Tewfik Hani Eid lived in Sudan with his wife, and five children became particularly close. He lost his youngest daughter, Mari the day I found out I was expecting our son. We wept (and tears are in my eyes as I write this) Tewfik appointed himself and his family my child's "honorary uncle" and there was great rejoicing in their household when my son was safely born. He saw our son as consolation for the lost of Mari. Shortly thereafter, the government of Sudan was overthrown. We don't know what happened, but someone else associated with a non-governmental agency was able to visit Tewfik's address within a year. They found a burned out shell. I held out hope for years that they had been able to get to his wife's parents in Saudi Arabia. Tewfik had four different ways he could contact me. All of them have remained silent for the last eighteen years. I think the Sudanese government would refer to them as "collateral damage".

        All of these people died because they were not being as observant as the more radical elements of their faith wished. And considering the small percentage of students that they represented in my overall correspondence, the death rate was almost 66%.

        The other thing you should consider is that there are people who have "left" Islam and they have fatwas out on their lives. Some have quietly immigrated and are living "under the radar" so to speak. However, if they open their mouths or even are perceived to be critical of Islam in any way, either they or their families who may still be in Muslim countries will suffer.
  • Nannybell, on 07/02/2008, -5/+18Hmm, some thoughts and questions:

    ***If we went into a Muslim country and left a bible, we would be in prison ...***

    That's a good point. They benefit from the freedom of religion in the West, but they do not return the favor to Christians in their own countries. So, I want to know: Who is handing out these books? How long have they been here? Are they citizens of this country? If they are from (and still give allegiance to) a nation that persecutes and forbids Christianity, then I'm not too happy that they come over here to proselytize but don't play fair in return.

    It is simply not in our national best interests to permit this country to become greatly Muslim, because they will eventually want to invoke sharia law. For those non-religionists who complain about Christianity even tho we are not a theocratic govt., you will like sharia law even less, believe me. There may be westernized Muslims who don't want sharia law, but there are plenty of the radical variety who do.

    As a Christian, if they come to my door, I will tell them the truth about Jesus, just as I would do for Mormons and Jehovah's Witness. I would not take their book though.
    • MacBigot, on 07/02/2008, -3/+12You might as well take the book. Take as many as they'll give you! Books and their distribution are not cheap. Besides, it's just that many more that won't end up in the hands of people who might actually believe their lies.
    • ramiro, on 07/02/2008, -2/+9Too many people who consider themselves Christians are saying that Islam is just as valid and that there are other ways to salvation other than Christ. See this poll by LifeWay Research:
      http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007739.cfm

      It might be useful to obtain a Koran in order to show how that it is not the case - the Koran contradicts everything that the Bible says, so it cannot be "just as valid", it cannot be "another way to salvation". Christian apologetics.
      • Nannybell, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4Yes, it's a good idea for a Christian to obtain a Koran on his own and read it to know what they teach, but would prefer not to accept the one they bring to my door, for the following reason (especially note the last sentence of the passage):

        "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." (II John 1:7-11)

        This is the principle I had in mind when saying I would not accept the Koran from them. They teach lies about Christ. Accepting their book from them may give them the impression that I might read it and eventually become a Muslim.
    • DYMongoose, on 07/02/2008, -3/+5There are many, many full-blooded American muslims. Don't assume a certain nationality goes hand in hand with a certain religion.
  • MacBigot, on 07/02/2008, -2/+17During a prison evangelism trip, I was going cell to cell sharing the Gospel with prisoners in solitary confinement. I eventually came to the cell of one sinewy fellow who claimed to be a Christian. While he certainly seemed to know Scripture, I was puzzled as to why he had a very large Koran by his bunk. After developing some rapport with him, I asked him why.

    Without hesitation, he explained prisoners in solitary were not allowed out of their cells to exercise; only to shower. Moreover, the authorities also limited what personal items prisoners could have in their cells. However, prisoners were permitted to have any sacred texts. He had asked the chaplain for a Koran because it was the biggest book available. He only used it to do arm curls in his cell!

    True story.
  • reland1, on 07/02/2008, -2/+10this thread is very thought provoking.. almost all of the comments are correct from one stance or another...hmmmmm
    • Salesti, on 07/02/2008, -2/+9That's because at least four of the goofball regulars haven't noticed it yet.
      :D
    • Salesti, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6Wait, here they come -- hi, kids!
  • m1cobra, on 07/02/2008, -9/+11 The koran is equal to a terrorist manual, it teaches how to kill, mutilate, rape, torture,breed killers, that women and children livestock.
    It is written in this horror novel of fiction. Then you have the perpetuaters of the koran, thei mmans, mullahs, who have created a kangaroo court , called sharia law.
    This is an example of their entire belief. A female rape victim was pardoned , because she was raped. She could receive the death sentence, or prison for life. But she was PArdoned in Saudi Arabia.
    This is exactly what we will become if these sons of dogs get into our country. And if Obama is elected, they will be here, he has advisors who are muslim and we have elected muslims in our senate.
    Which should never ever of happened, The American people have become so lazy and stupid and gullible, They have no idea their going to have their throats slit. And it will be our children helping them , due to the indoctrination program , that the parents won't fight. We have become a natiuon of sheep and totally stupid.
    • Salesti, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4Dugg, but please don't talk about dogs like that!
  • DYMongoose, on 07/02/2008, -12/+2I was going to digg the article until I saw it came from Fox News. Sensationalist media at its best (or worst?). Fox News will never get my support.
    • f15ric, on 07/02/2008, -1/+10I'm sure Foxnews is scared. You forgot to make a left turn.
      • DYMongoose, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1I'm sorry, sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. Come again?
  • Bailenforcer, on 07/02/2008, -4/+13Mr. Muslin
    you call for my head to be cut off. You kill my people, in your Koran you speak of murdering children, mine in fact! Your Clerics call for torture of anyone not like them. You blow up buildings, planes, in Africa you murder millions in Genocide campaigns. Your God Allah is the Same as Satan of all the other religions. A murderer, child killer, Killer of Jews, Christians, and anyone he chooses including Muslim Children to carry his bombs. He uses the mentally Ill and women to blow themselves up, the innocent. For thousands of years your God Allah has done these things and Muslims make it possible as Allah although supposedly almighty and great needs you to do his handy work, because he can not do it himself. Am I getting warm? Am I missing something? I think not. Then you ask for me to be understanding and warm and embrace you as you want me dead?
    Then you pretend to be shocked at my lack of affection?
    Frankly this is yet another Game pushed by the likes of C.A.I.R. who played that little praying Imams stunt. you didn't fool Americans there either, your not fooling us now C.A.I.R.

    Get over the hate first then pretend to be a peaceful religion.

    With Love

    Mr Christian.

  • osko2052, on 07/02/2008, -3/+12Does anyone here actually know a Muslim personally? It's human nature to be fearful of something that is foreign to you. I believe most Muslims are peaceful people and just want to live their lives like you and I. Not all Muslims are terrorists that belong to Al-Queda and fly planes into buildings just like not all Christians bomb abortion clinics or build compounds that conduct mass suicides. if this country is really about freedom of religion, they have a right to distribute the Koran just like we have a right to distribute the Holy Bible. Before you bury me think about what I said.
    • idoj, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7Very well stated osko2052!
    • m1cobra, on 07/03/2008, -8/+2Just remember how peaceful and sedated you sound. You won't have time fora squeal when they slit your throat, they know no different , they take a boy child at he age of three, this the mother 's job. She must indoctrinate him into Wahabi. She is forced to birth a son, and teach him to die. This is a minute part ofthe death ritual, of the muslims. Apparently you have not read the Kuran, all who do not like the girly man, and do not adhere to its beliefs, are infidels, and must , I repeat must DIE!!!!!!
      They kill their own children, sisters, mothers,
      And you are terlling me thats okay with you, Must be a Obama supporter, they drink a lot of kool aid, or they are just plain stupid. If Owama is ewected , it will be chaos, terrorism, mexican invasion, because he condones all of the despots worlds, ideaology. He is a puppet to the left wing idiots, and media. He can't even speak english, he speaks legalese , does that make him smart, some of the ignorant who don't understand a word hesays thinks so. I call him and everything he says deception, he has the eyes of a king cobra, and evil
      • osko2052, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5As a matter of fact I am not an Obama supporter. As a Roman Catholic and a Christian I cannot vote for him. Guess I will have to grit my teeth and vote for McCain. You seem to have prejudged me. This country was founded on freedom of religion. If you are not cool with that maybe you are just as bad as the Muslims you speak about.
      • DYMongoose, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Very well put, Osko.
    • novaculus, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3I know, and have known, a number of Muslims. Their expressed views range from admissions that the actual words of the Koran are very problematic, to denial that there is anything wrong with Islam but extremists create a false impression, to the Libyan Islamist who said he looked forward to meeting me and any other kuffar Americans on a future battlefield, so he could kill us, as his Egyptian and Syrian associates nodded in agreement. These last cheerful remarks were made on the eve of the cretin's return to Libya after four years of education at an American university.

      I also remember fondly the ex-pat Saudi wife of a friend and co-worker of mine. Lovely and quiet, she rarely spoke of her homeland or family. She had been disowned for marrying my friend. (Probably lucky that was as far as it went.) On one of the few occasions she spoke of the contrast between her life here and a woman's lot in Saudi Arabia, she said simply, "At home I would have no life of my own."

      Of course there are Muslims of many shades, from westernized non-practicing to fanatical Islamist terrorists. The problem is that Islam is NOT a religion, it is the totalitarian scheme of a seventh century warlord, designed to consolidate and expand his power. Masquerading as a religion, this credo seeks to justify deceit, murder, slavery, misogyny, warfare and genocide in the name of God. The fanatics can rightfully justify all of their horrific acts by reference to the Qu'ran and the words of Muhammad. Until and unless so-called moderate Muslims come to grips with this issue, and find a way to separate the positive and religious aspects of Islam (such as they are) from its many evil and political facets, Islam will continue to be a threat to freedom-loving people everywhere.
    • maybeth, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2I do. I work with one man who is muslim. To begin with he is a convert from mormonism. Now while I agree that he seems nice enough, there are some troubling issues with him. To begin with, he refuses to shake the hand of a woman. This is a problem in business. Secondly, we had to find a place for him to pray several times a day in private. I assure you that this would not happen for my Judaeo-Christian beliefs. I have seen like stories reported in the papers of the muslims coming here demanding foot baths, etc with my tax dollars. I think that as we allow more of this in, we will have to accommodate more and more of these things and as a female I am concerned as they mistreat the women of their own as witnessed time and time again in like stories. Just the other day was the story of that crazy guy saying that they mimic muhammad by taking wives as early as 1 year old and can start abusing these little girls as young as 6 years. Do we really want this in our society? Do we want these so-called honor killings? I for one don't.
  • soulwarriorone, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7go to www.aclj.org and look for the link to what happened in the Houston school system...all at the direction of "peaceful" CAIR

    and yes, "the Kingdom of God suffers violence, and the violent take it by force", but Jehovah will not be mocked!

    The Lord thy God is One, (three persons, one Lord) and His name is NOT Allah!
  • Jake81499, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7I had a muslim offer me a koran once. I said, "No thanks, I'm not into fiction." He was pissed...... Followed me all the way to my car. I'm pretty fair at self defense plus I carry so I wasn't worried.

    Anyhow, hopefully the people that received these will have a good old fashioned book burning.
  • 7sons, on 07/03/2008, -1/+8Knowing your enemy is essential. May I suggest a book on the subject by Mark A. Gabriel called "Islam and Terrorism". You can find the book at persecution.com. It is a great resource and a very quick read. According to the author muslims could well be using the same strategy they used to get control of Lebanon. They entered on guest visas and did not leave,and when their numbers reached about twenty percent war broke out. Lebanon has not been the same in over twenty years.
  • dandan111, on 07/03/2008, -2/+9Nothing wrong with distributing IF it's reciprocated. For every Koran they hand out here we should hand out Bibles in Arab countries. Oops, too bad, they won't let us do that.
  • Cate320, on 07/03/2008, -3/+7What is wrong with them passing out copies of the Koran? To be honest, I would think you'd be much less offended by this approach than how the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses often operate - by actually trying to convert you on your doorstep. But is the fact that they are also promoting Jesus somehow separate them and make them special? Just because they leave a book, doesn't mean you have to read it, or even pick it up.

    As long as you think it is OK for Christian sects to pass out Bibles to High School students as they are leaving the building, I don't see why Muslims shouldn't be afforded the same rights. This is NOT a Christian country. It may be "a Christian country" in the sense that most of the residents consider themselves Christian, but not in the legal sense. Muslim countries are actually legally Muslim. There is a difference. One of the principles that America was founded on was the freedom of religion. Funnily enough, I see the same people in this thread usually all up in arms about "Judges going against the constitution!". Do you only support the founding ideals when it suits you?

    Now, reading the Koran would not do you any harm, and may even do you some good. I knew an Episcopalean minister who was very well versed on many different religious texts. It means a lot more if someone says they believe something coming from a person familiar with the alternatives than coming from a person who blindly believes because it is the only thing they know.
    • TheOtherOne135, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3I agree - how is distributing Bibles, or Old Testaments, or WatchTower magazine (or Scientology's little "come in for an e-meter) any worse than someone distributing a Koran?

      We're supposed to have freedom of religion here, people! If you are that threatened by their chosen book, respond by trying to convert those who are trying to convert you.
    • LexieLove86, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1im loving ur point and completely agree!
  • USNavyBlue, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3Look at what is occurring in Eurolasm over a picture of a "puppy"! Religion of peace my butt.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-2350487 ...
    • maybeth, on 07/04/2008, -1/+2I saw that too. How ridiculous! IT IS A PICTURE!!!! But you are right, they are trying to change the rules there (and the authorities are apoligizing-dummies) and want to change the way we live here too. Do tax payer foot baths and prayer rooms come to mind for anyone??
  • USNavyBlue, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4So what did Jefferson learn from the Koran? As early as 1786, Jefferson, who was serving as the ambassador to France, and John Adams, the Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Ambassador Abdrahaman, the Dey of Tripoli’s ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress’ vote of funding. Peace would come at a price. If America wanted “temporary peace,” a one-year guarantee, it would cost $66,000 plus a 10% commission. “Everlasting peace” was a bargain at $160,000 plus the obligatory commission. This only applied to Tripoli.
    Other nations would also have to be paid. The amount came to $1.3 million. There was no assurance that the treaties would be honored. In vain Thomas Jefferson and John Adams tried to argue that the United States were not at war with Tripoli. In what way had the U.S provoked the Muslims, they asked? Ambassador Abdrahaman went on to explain “the finer points of Islamic jihad” to the Koranically challenged Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. In a letter to John Jay, Jefferson wrote the following:
    The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
    Abdrahaman was paraphrasing the Koran’s “rules of engagement” found in the 47 Surah: “Whenever you encounter the ones who disbelieve [during wartime], seize them by their necks until once you have subdued them, then tie them up as prisoners, either in order to release them later on, or also to ask for ransom, until war lays down her burdens.” Unless a nation submitted to Islam, whether it was the aggressor or not, that nation was by definition at war with Islam.
    No wonder that Thomas Jefferson studied the Koran. He realized that if Americans ever capitulated, the Muslims would be singing “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of A-mer-i-ca.”
    The United States was acting like the other nations with commerce to protect, but Thomas Jefferson had opposed this sort of policy from the time he was in France, believing that the only effective language to employ against these brigands of the sea was that of force and he was correct. Thomas Jefferson never believed in buying peace with them, and actually he was the first President to use force against them.
    Once Thomas Jefferson became President of the United States he took to the task of building up the US Navy Fleet. The USS Constellation along with 2 other naval vessel, set sail to the Muslim Barbary states sailing high the “Navy Jack Flag”. [if you look at my dig logo that is the Navy Jack Flag)
    Upon arrival there was non-stop three days worth of bombing until the Muslims waved the white flag of surrender! In addition, the US Navy retrieved all of the Americans, Britain and even some Africans that had been taken hostage during pirates raids on the high seas by the Muslims. And the USA did not pay any more extortion to the Muslims for “safe passage”.

    • egg321, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE "Koranically challenged". That is classic.
      I wish I could digg you a thousand times.

      Such a shame that most do not know this history.......
      That's why I giggled like a schoolgirl when Ellison used Jefferson's Koran to be sworn in.
      What a dope.
  • Christianptriot, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Too bad I can only Digg USNavyBlue up ONE. That post is exactly WHY we can never successfully negotiate with muslim terrorists or nations. It is their religious duty, according to their own bible, that they wage this type of war. Apparently in the 21st century many muslims choose to wage that war in different ways:

    Integrate and change the school systems;

    Affect local politics by overwhelming the population of an area with voters to put muslims in office, then legislate the changes they want;

    use the laws of your enemy to overthrow their culture, society and force them to accept muslim and islamic laws, lifestyles, culture and behaviors;

    Slowly integrate islam and their religious doctrine into Christian and other religious doctrines and neighborhoods, communities and towns, until they are the majority and their enemy is the minority - then simply force islam onto everyone or push tehm out of their former towns, neighborhoods, countries.

    look at the

    UK and France as examples. Then look at Detroit, and other major cities and neighborhoods around the US and you will see that this is already well underway.

    We may have already lost the battle and the war - and the ultra-liberal left wing of America, and Democrats, have been instrumental in islam taking over.
  • JaelsTentPeg, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1Hopefully people will read it and see what a bunch of crap it is. Really, the Quran is disgusting, the writing style alone is barely tolerable to read. Compare the majesty of Psalms, Job, Isaiah, Hosea, and any other book for that matter to the Quran, there is NO comparison to the exquisite writing of the bible, especially in the original Hebrew. Truly glorious the Scripture of the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is.

    The Liberals ought to like it though.
    • Jake81499, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Who would want to read it in the first place? As fiction goes, it read poorly.
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