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- CamZak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I'm willing to bet that he doesn't know either.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12They don't brag about a capture if they feel the individual has information that will lead to other captures. They don't want the information they acquired to "expire."
- jasmin888, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14He's going to be the republican's election happening
- IdanE, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Guys, I have a serious question: everyone's pissed at Bush and all that secret prisons issue. Why the hell do you even care? I mean, I'm all for human rights - I've even been to protests and whatnot. I believe, however, rights have to be earned. We earn that right when we're given life. If I willingly take lives, and intend on doing so, should I not be stripped of my rights, for the sake of the people that I want dead? Now, As I see it, normal criminals, even killers, deserve that right because, quite honestly, they usually act like human beings. But being a part of a group whose stated ultimate goal is either mass conversion of the entire western populace, or, alternatively, mass genocide is, in my book at least, a good reason to expel you from the human race, and for us to use whatever means necessary to save human lives.
Yes, I know it's barbaric, and I hate the concept, but when dealing with people who would gladly serve time for their cause, and would willingly die for their cause, you need to try and find a soft spot if you want to put a choke hold on terrorism.
But hell, that's just my 2 cents. and please don't mistake me for a bloody republican. I just don't think that people who want pretty much everyone here on digg dead are humans - they're a sub species we'd all be better without.
Peace out - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I just want to know why we wouldn't be bragging about this.
- gravis86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Doesn't suprise me at all. My uncle does stuff for the government and they're all about secrecy. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what he does. Neither does his wife, for that matter.
- N00F, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8He's going to be in a whole world of hurt!
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I dated a woman that worked for Lockheed's top secret space division. It was weird because she couldn't talk about work at all, just whether or not she had a good day. She wasn't even allowed to say who they worked for, just that "the client" was in to visit, lol.
- enki25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thank god we have these secret prisons to keep terrorists in! Otherwise, where the hell would we keep them? I mean, we have Federal prisons, but only communists think terrorists deserve the comfort of a Federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison.
/wingnuttery - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Gee, I guess we can expect some news right before election day.
- friend18, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wouldn't they be trying to tout capturing a big al qaeda leader?
- msipes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Good. I hope he goes away for a long long time.
- tgrossner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Zarxrax -
I am a bit skeptical of this, as I am with ANYTHING in Wikipedia, (or as I like to call it "make ***** up as you go along"-ipedia. And as I understand it, we render someone to another country when that individual is wanted by that country as well. So, by handing this guy over to Egypt, we are responsible for his well being? Sorry, but I don't buy into that. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Don't get ahead of yourself, election day is still a few weeks away.
- Zarxrax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The rights are not for the sake of the bad people... they are for the sake of the good guys. The whole "problem" with the secret prisons is that a heck of a lot of innocent people have been imprisoned and possibly tortured, and released years later without charge. I forget who said it, but "it's better that 100 guilty men go free, than a single innocent man be punished". Without rules about who can be imprisoned, we live in a dictatorship where anyone can be taken away for any reason. I have nothing against doing the worst to proven terrorists... but I have a damn big problem with hurting people who have done no wrong.
- Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To be a leader? Absolutely nothing. Just send your minions in to do the dirty work. Convince them to kill themselves, so that your life can be spared.
- gadphly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@IdanE
I think the problem with your argument is the assumption of guilt. For me torture would be 'more' acceptable if I could prove without doubt that the tortured was guilty. The problem is when you think they are guilty and torture them to prove it.
In that case, no torture is acceptable.
btw my comment above should not imply I find torture acceptable in any form or shape.
crikey, my reply didn't go where I wanted it to! This is to IdanE =) - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Secret prisons have been around since the year the term "rendition" was coined. That year was 1989.
The practice has spanned several administrations.
The problem is...most diggers were playing with action figures and/or watching My Little Pony back then.
This is all news to them.
And.......it gives them yet another reason to bitch about some politician they don't like as though he started the whole thing.
I personally want any outlaw extremist militant who murders civilians for the express purpose of blackmailing recognized governments put in a very dark hole.....and I don't care who puts them there or whether anyone knows where the hell it is. - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3because terrorists didn't think about secret prisons before they read about it...
stories this this don't help terrorists, they help citizens - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8But it's not THE al Qaeda leader..
- MLyzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Real big surprise, the most powerful nation in the world has a secret prison.
Its our own Chateau D'if - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Hooray. Now Bush has a reason to gloat all about how 'successful' the secret CIA prisons that give no rights to their detainees are, and people will start to be convinced that the prisons are a good thing.
Blah. - anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you probably mean "the customer." While I guess customs at Lockheed might be different, when I worked for a defense contractor in the late 90s we referred to representatives of the DOD or the military as "the customer," not "the client."
While it sounds pretty sinister when taken out of context, it's really just verbal shorthand. When it happens three days a week, it seems kind of redundant to say "Representatives from the House Appropriations Committee are in high bay three today." And since there's only one of them, everybody knows what you mean when you say "the customer." - nfulton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is this Al Queda the number 2 guy . . . again? Seems like we always get #2 or #3. Al Queda has a really flat org chart.
- tgrossner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@Zarxrax
Can you please tell me the names of some "innocent" people who are being "tortured" in these prisons? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Naturally, a fleet of ACLU lawyers are already trying to get him released, insisting he get a trial and demanding he be let out on his own recognizance until such time as a trial occurs.
Remember folks, when a Liberal talks about "Prisoner Rights" it means locking up jackasses like this is something they think is a BAD thing. - PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well yes, unless all major media organizations decide to take a holiday, I'm sure something "big" will happen. Although it may turn out to be a kitten trapped in a well, or the usual mudslinging by the Hatfields and the McCoys.
- tgrossner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually that whole "pound you in the ass" problem is the kind of thing that keeps them out of Fed prisons. Its hard to get a terrorist to give up information if hes bleeding from the anus...Therefore, we keep them safe, and yet give them "reasons" to talk.
- friend18, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Oh right. Strategic gas price drops and new terror hunt breakthrough convenient right before election.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I wonder what sort of perceived crime I'd have to "commit" to become an "Al Qaeda leader."
- SGT.SHIZZO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Time to break out the leaf shredder.
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I believe, however, rights have to be earned. We earn that right when we're given life."
That does not make any sense at all. If being born earns you the rights then everyone has those rights as we are all born, and therefore rights do not have to be earned as you get them anyway as part of the born-into-the-world package. - Zarxrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@tgrossner: The wikipedia article is little more than a summary, with links to a ***** of sources that the information came from, so I don't see any reason to be skeptical of it--the material is all right there for you to check it out for yourself.
And as I understand it, its more like the CIA suspects someone of being a potential terrorist, so they go capture them. Since they cant legally torture in the US, they ship them to another country and have that country torture the person to try and obtain information. Again, its all referenced right there in the article.
I do believe that Bush and the other folks in charge genuinely believe that what they are doing is best for the country. I just happen to think that it contradicts with a lot of the principals that our country was founded upon. - Zarxrax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@tgrossner: here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
- seshat6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@IdanE
The problem is not to imprison them, but to imprison them following some minimal standards on human rights and dignity. This is why supposedly global standards like the Geneva convention were created, we cannot arbitrarily ignore these rights. If they do not feel appropriate, the best way to deal with them is to propose by the proper channels a new set of standards on imprisonment and jails. Not to arbitrarily make decisions and be accountable to none. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"i am enlightened and you can email me if you have questions"
Dear kumicho,
When will you transcend existence and melt into the universe, leaving the rest of us unenlightened souls behind? We're... kind of waiting...
Cl1m - darkinferno9908, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Why would you make a newspost about having a person that's supposed to be hidden in a secret jail? That's almost as bad as making a news report about how easy it is to get bombs in from the north... Oh wait. We did that didn't we? Damn America... think before you make news stories. Terrorist watch the news too you know?
- pantsbandit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Life's a bitch, then you're a terrorist!
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1speak ingrish when u can flaming!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@tgrossner: try this one on for size: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/09/an_apology_to_c.html
"So, by handing this guy over to Egypt, we are responsible for his well being? Sorry, but I don't buy into that."
Uh, if the entire reason we're handing someone over to a foreign country is because we know that country will do the dirty work for us, then yes, we are responsible. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Power_of_Nightmares_4
- bilbus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0awwww that's so sad
i hope its like the inquisition from the movie life of Brian. - chulium, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Not so secret now... way to exploit our anti-terror devices...
- kumicho, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0these times are times that see the battles between one self view (USA) view and another view (North Korea) and yet another view (Islam empires), and yet a myriad of other views throughout all the different levels of awareness. these views are developing and becoming large and see that there are other views... because things in the universe are bound to develop, the things in the universe see only themselves and their own view. the future of the human race depends on those who act for the benefit of humanity. only those who truly know what the benefit of humanity is are able to act to save it.
- gb506, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2watch out masamunecyrus, i think kumicho wants to have homosexual relations with you...
- kumicho, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4indeed so masamunecyrus,
there is a single principle that you can see all of humanity abiding by. it's the same thing that exists within your own mind and the thing that makes the universe as a whole work. once you see this plot of the universe, you can comprehend everything that exists.
knowing this, we can know how to balance out the mindsets of our humanity as a whole, and we will understand that this is a global community. a single global consciousness.
these times are times that see the battles between one self view (USA) view and another view (North Korea) and yet another view (Islam empires), and yet a myriad of other views throughout all the different levels of awareness. these views are developing and becoming large and see that there are other views... because things in the universe are bound to develop, the things in the universe see only themselves and their own view. the future of the human race depends on those who act for the benefit of humanity. only those who truly know what the benefit of humanity is are able to act to save it.
seek out enlightenment for yourself
i am enlightened and you can email me if you have questions
tathagata.co.uk - campusten, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1@sockpuppets
I'm betting 3 to 1 that she was just a prostitute. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Al Queda leader in CIA jail? The CIA jailed one of their own? It's about time.
