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Report: 100 dead in Tibet violence
edition.cnn.com — Violent protests in the Tibetan capital Lhasa against Chinese rule have left at least 100 people dead, according to unconfirmed reports from exiles in India, while official media put the death toll at 10.
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- moolaismyfriend, on 03/16/2008, -5/+71But the world is about to pump a few billion dollars into Communist China's economy in a few months, which by proxy, just supports this type of behavior.
The truly courageous step would be for the countries which are partaking in the 2008 Summer Olympics to boycott it.
But that will never happen, since courage is not an ideal that is held in great admiration in our fear based religious societies.- hubbard67, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12the best we can hope for now is that the chinese use this chance to protest and get media attention
there cant be another tiananmen massacre with the whole world at their doorstep
although this incident here got too damn close- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4The question is: How can we help to f*ck up these chinese commies?
- Hangly, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1Why can't there be another Tiananmen?
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+7EU helps China to Crush Tibetans:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml= ... - soil, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7@ moolaismyfriend
You make some great observations, until you correlate religion with cowardice. Some of the most courageous stands have been taken by religious folk.
So how about this, we promote the boycott, WITHOUT the unnecessary and unfounded slam on religion. - demlog, on 03/16/2008, -5/+5It amazes me that the digg population doesn't notice that the large majority of deaths were committed by tibetans. Don't be sheep, try to read more news sources.
- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -2/+5Thanks for the info, Mao.
But I think you'll still have to add the few more thousand killed tibetians by the chinese paramount leaders in the past before you can talk about a 'majority'.
- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -2/+5Thanks for the info, Mao.
- huangweiqiu, on 03/16/2008, -4/+3have you ever heard that the monks will kill innocent people and rob bank ? have you ever heard so call peaceful demonstrator will hold broadsword and stone to hurt innocent people from beginning? please see the video:
http://news.cctv.com/china/20080316/101573.shtml ?- poxonyou, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2Thank you Loyal Chinese Government Spokesperson 52 for the information.
- dkern, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3You are 100% correct. This is why there will be so much propaganda about the vicious tibetan monks killing innocent people and robbing banks! And people will actually believe this horse *****!!!!
***** these commie scumtards...they are poisoning their exports! BOYCOTT CHINA AND BOYCOTT WALMART!!!!!
- hubbard67, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12the best we can hope for now is that the chinese use this chance to protest and get media attention
- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -20/+9But, but the Chinese are communist so how can they do anything bad?
- moolaismyfriend, on 03/16/2008, -1/+17But we do billions of dollars of trade with Communist China. How come we do that when they have 21 Nuclear warheads aimed at the United States 24 hours a day, and we don't do business with Communist Cuba who have essentially no military?
(ohh i bet you haven't thought about that kid huh?)- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -4/+2moo, you make a good argument, and I am as concerned as you are about our business dealings with the Chinese. There is a phrase that goes people who do business with each other, therefor dependent upon each other, do not attack each other. As I am against going to war with China I will hope that phrase is true.
- wonderchemist, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7Well to be fair, we probably have a few hundred aimed back at them...
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4Because Cuba was a Soviet ally, and China was a Soviet counterweight.
Apparently, China had some of their missiles aimed at Moscow, too.
The Evil Enemy of My Evil Enemy is My Saintly Friend. - scrag10, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4Just because they say they are communists doesn't mean they are.
- synyster, on 03/16/2008, -0/+121 that's nothing, the us have at least 200 Nuclear warheads aimed at china 24/7
- thebellmaster1x, on 03/16/2008, -1/+12Communism, in theory, was...ehhh, maybe not. Communism, in practice, has been awful. Communism, ESPECIALLY in China, has been complete *****.
Who, exactly, has been saying that communism is impenetrable to crappiness?- insurgente, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1You know what communism is? It's a socioeconomic system wherein private property and the state has been abolished, together with classes and money.
Hence, there was no communism in any of the "communist states". They don't even describe their countries as communist, but as socialist (which they are neither, but that's beside the point).
- insurgente, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1You know what communism is? It's a socioeconomic system wherein private property and the state has been abolished, together with classes and money.
- Azerael, on 03/16/2008, -0/+3The same way any society with people in power can.
- rz8472, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3You don't seem to know the Chinese political system very well. "Communism WIth Chinese Characteristics" is just Wild West-style uber-capitalism.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1More like the Chilean model
- moolaismyfriend, on 03/16/2008, -1/+17But we do billions of dollars of trade with Communist China. How come we do that when they have 21 Nuclear warheads aimed at the United States 24 hours a day, and we don't do business with Communist Cuba who have essentially no military?
- vwerf, on 03/16/2008, -6/+68It takes alot of balls to Boycott something as big as the Olympics, but it sends a HUGE message. It says that the Olympics are about all people being given BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. and that we oppose China's deplorable human rights record. But then again when your president destroys all of America's credibility why on earth would he take good moral road.
As they say liberty dies not with a scream, but with cheers and applause.- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -26/+7Actually quite the opposite. Our President increased our credibility, perhaps you meant popularity. Why else did Lybia roll over and turn over their nuke program, when? After we invaded Iraq. When did the CIA report, which all Leftist hailed as the truth, say Iran gave up on pursuing their nukes? 2003. Hmmmm, what happened in 2003? Oh, yeah, we invaded Iraq. We showed the world if you kill Americans, someone is going to pay. Is Saddam had only known that he may still be a dictator for you to continue to support, que sera.
- wonderchemist, on 03/16/2008, -3/+35I agree, the US would easily win a gold if waterboarding was an olympic event.
- SquigglyP, on 03/16/2008, -3/+15"We showed the world if you kill Americans, someone is going to pay. Is Saddam had only known that he may still be a dictator for you to continue to support, que sera."
The only problem with that is that Saddam wasn't killing Americans. A few individuals killed some Americans. Al Qaida killed Americans, but then they didn't really even exist. They were fabricated so we could convict Bin laden without him being in court after the first World Trade Center bombing. So because several people in some looney cult, that may or may not have even existed, flew planes into a few buildings, we - America, and by way of that you and I - have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Iraq had nothing to do with it, and never did. ALL of our dealings with Iraq have been incredibly stupid and potentially illegal. This includes setting up Saddam in the first place, Desert Storm, which was yet another fabricated excuse to goto war with a country to give us an excuse to get bases and military presence in the area, then the 2003 invasion which was just complete fabrication of information, and now we continue to kill hundreds of people in Iraq on a weekly basis, for no real apparent reason aside from 'stabilization', but what exactly that means is beyond me. They have leadership, they have a police force. They HAD a military until we dismantled it - creating these so-called terrorists that now attack our troops there. We have literally done nothing but ***** up the Middle East, all in the name of driving up oil prices so a select few people - the people running the country who have interest in driving the price of oil as high as it can go - can get filthy rich and powerful.
We are unpopular. The rest of the world DOES hate us. To think that we are somehow above their critisism is a flaw that, alas, is inherant in this country. People here seem to believe that because we have a strong military presence everywhere that we somehow run the world and get to call the shots. Sorry to burst your bubble, but people who believe that to be the case are hypocrites. You can't demand your own human rights be protected and then at the same time refuse those same basic rights to others. Obviously the laws don't apply to the rest of the world, but the part where it's written that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights" doesn't just apply to US citizens. Sure, it's not a document with any legal weight, but morally I don't think it's right that one can hold that document in such high regard while completely disregarding the words written there.- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -7/+2Terrorist training camps found in Iraq.
- PoonGnarfler, on 03/16/2008, -3/+2Where and when were these "terrorist training camps found in Iraq"? Lets be ***** honest here, because IT NEVER HAPPENED. Because believe me, if it had, the Bush Administration would be hailing it as a huge blow against the war on terrorism. Stevanoski, you really need to learn something called reading or research, it would have told you that Saddam Hussein hated terrorist even more than Bush or Cheney does, and he was much more effective in neutralizing them, he would simply take any suspected terrorist into the street and shoot them in the head. The United States has destabilized the reginon, and the fact that you blindly believe what the Bush administration spews to you betrays your ignorance.
- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2ooops, looks like you're wrong again, I am sure you have grown used to it by now.
- SquigglyP, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1@stevenoski
That text you posted is - according to the article it's been printed in - unconfirmed. You copy/pasted it... did you read it?
"Editor's Note, November 2005: More than two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, there has been no verification of Khodada's account of the activities at Salman Pak. In fact, U.S. officials have now concluded that Salman Pak was most likely used to train Iraqi counter-terrorism units in anti-hijacking techniques. It should also be noted that he and other defectors interviewed for this report were brought to FRONTLINE's attention by the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization that was working to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Since the original broadcast, Khodada has not publicly addressed questions that have been raised about his account of activities at Salman Pak."
http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1 ...
The above is a link to the newly published report investigating Saddam's links to Terrorism. While he was involved in some terrorism there was no link to the people who attacked us, and most of his targets were Iraqi citizens. I have no problem with the idea of going after Saddam for human rights violations - the ***** deserved to die as far as I'm concerned - but that wasn't the official reason we went in there. We went in there because Bush claimed they had WMD. They didn't. Reports had actually been fabricated to make it look like they had what they didn't have. After that blew up in Bush's face he started in on this new excuse: The link to Al Qaeda. But this report basically says "There was no link to Al Qaeda". If you want a link to Al Qaeda you'll have to look as some of our 'allies' like the Saudis.
No one is really bringing this up in the media yet, but rest assured that as soon as it hits some other excuse will be made up. No matter the excuse, tho, we all know what this war is really about. We are trading human lives for money, resources and regional influence. That's the bottom line. - Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -0/+3But the terrorist camps were there, along with airplanes so they could practice hijacking, correct? But I do appreciate your moderate tone.
- SquigglyP, on 03/16/2008, -3/+1I guess for counter-terrorism training more than terrorism training. Not for hijacking a plane, but for boarding and disarming a plane that had already been hijacked? You're guess is as good as mine. The US performs such training exercises as well, tho. I don't doubt that Saddam used terrorist tactics, but even having documentation on plans of terrorism isn't necessarily proof of terrorist activities. The US has it's own documents outlining possible terrorist operations - including attacks on US citizens. We've engaged in supporting terrorism ourselves so long as it's served our purposes.
I don't generally like to trust sources such as WorldNetDaily, WeeklyStandard or CrooksAnd Liars. I'd rather see the documents they base their articles on and intelligence directly from the Pentagon or other official sources. That doesn't always mean they are 100% accurate, but it removes the editorializing of whatever media outlet is disseminating the information. In today's media culture the editorial is replacing real news, and I don't like that much. - Stevanoski, on 03/17/2008, -1/+2Reckon you can convince yourself of anything, too bad for the country.
- SquigglyP, on 03/17/2008, -1/+1no, i just like to have all the information before I go murdering people.
- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3Terrorist training camps found in Iraq. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Artic ...
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.
The secret training took place primarily at three camps
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunn ...
After your service in the army, you worked for a secret part of the Iraqi government?
Some of it is not very secretive. But there's another part, which has a lot to do with international terrorism and this kind of operation -- this is very secretive.
Maybe you could tell me what this section is called, and who runs it. And what did it do?
It's called the Division of Special Operations. ... This whole camp where their training is run by the Iraqi [security service]... The government organization [that] basically possesses or have control of the camp is the Iraqi intelligence. But different training people who come, they are headed or sent by different people in the Iraqi government.
You say that this is a secret camp. But what was it like? Was it something you drove by and could see on the highway? Did you need special clearance to go there? How would you describe this place, this location?
If you're driving on those farm roads, you could probably see the edges of the camp, but you wouldn't realize this is a special camp. The camp is huge. And the locations for the training are far from anybody can see them from the outside. But even when we have visitors, even at the level of a minister, or even higher than a minister in the Iraqi government, they will have to drive around the camp or be driven in the camp inside very specific type of a vehicle. They will sit on the back seat, for example, of this vehicle and they would have ... in addition to the shaded windows, they will have to pull down curtains and they snap those curtains on the bottom, to make sure nobody can see anything outside this vehicle while they're driven around.
This is even government officials [who] are not allowed to see this kind of training?
Yes. At the very highest level, they cannot see this training.
What kind of training went on, and who was being trained?
Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism.
The people being trained were Iraqis in one group, and non-Iraqis, or foreign nationals, in another?
Non-Iraqis were trained separately from us. There were strict orders not to meet with them and not to talk to them. And even when they conduct their training, their training has to occur at times different from the times when we conduct the Iraqis our own training.
Sabah Khodada was a captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992. He worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak (see Khodada's hand-drawn map of the camp), an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview, conducted in association with The New York Times on Oct. 14, 2001, Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001.
[Editor's Note, November 2005: More than two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, there has been no verification of Khodada's account of the activities at Salman Pak. In fact, U.S. officials have now concluded that Salman Pak was most likely used to train Iraqi counter-terrorism units in anti-hijacking techniques. It should also be noted that he and other defectors interviewed for this report were brought to FRONTLINE's attention by the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization that was working to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Since the original broadcast, Khodada has not publicly addressed questions that have been raised about his account of activities at Salman Pak.]
So you were training Iraqis, Saddam's fedayeen, members of the militia in Iraq. And someone else, other groups, were training the non-Iraqis?
They were special trainers or teachers from the Iraqi intelligence and al-Mukhabarat. And those same trainers or teachers will train the fedayeen, the Iraqi fedayeen, and also the same group of those teachers will train the non-Iraqis, foreigners who are in the camp. Personally, my profession is not this kind of training. My profession is to train people on infantry, typical infantry training, such as training on machine guns, pistols, hand grenades, rocket launchers on the shoulder and this kind of training. The special training that I'm talking about, such as the kidnapping and so, is conducted by those trainers who are not from the army; they are from ... al-Mukhabarat.And there was a person who is very famous. They call him Al-Shaba. [ph]. This is Arabic word means "The Ghost," who was responsible for all the training, and those trainers or the teachers.
Why was he called the Ghost?
I don't know exactly why he's being called the Ghost. I came there and his name was the Ghost. But I know that he has conducted several terrorist operations in Lebanon and in other countries all over the world. And I know that he told us that he's been requested to be arrested by the Interpol. This is probably why he called himself the Ghost.
And the foreign nationals, the Arabs who are there, but who are not Iraqis -- what were they like? Were they Egyptians, Saudis? Do you know where they came from?
They look like they're mostly from the Gulf, sometimes from areas close to Yemen, from their dark skin and short bodies. And they also are Muslims. ...
Were they religious?
I don't know exactly because I saw them seldom very [briefly]. But some of them has beards, long beards, which is an indication of being a religious Muslim. ...
How long were you at this base, at this secret location?
Approximately six months.
What was your job?
Administrational things, such as providing food, leave of absence permissions, general training. Ammunition ... providing them with ammunition when needed.
How did you meet the Ghost? And what did he say?
I meet him several times a day. We usually meet in the morning when they go to training. We meet in the afternoon or the noontime when they come back from training. And several times, we'll meet at the evening to drink tea. And he will come, him and other teachers who always with him. They always talk about their operations proudly. For example, they were telling us about how they were able to penetrate the American forces during the 1990 Gulf War, where they went inside the Saudi Arabia territory, and they were able to bring exact coordinates of the Dharan airbase where it was hit by the Scud missiles and many Americans were killed.
He is an Iraqi, the Ghost?
Yes.
Did he explain what kind of training they were giving to the people who were there, especially to the non-Iraqis?
He tried not to talk about training as much as possible. I even, out of curiosity, asked him about those Arabs. Sometime he told me, "Don't ask about them. This is something we're not supposed to talk about."
So the Ghost said, "I can't talk to you about these Arabs who are training, or what we're training them in."
Yes.
So did you find out what kind of training was going on?
I don't necessarily know what kind of training they do, but they were trained exactly at the same locations, and they were trained by the same teachers who were training ... [the fighters for] Saddam. Training includes hijacking and kidnapping of airplanes, trains, public buses, and planting explosives in cities, sabotaging villages, sabotaging houses, assassinations.
And the training also included how to prepare for suicidal operations. For example, they will train them how to belt themselves around with explosives, and jump in a place and explode themselves out as part of the suicidal training. I think the trainings of the Arabs was much harsher, and much stricter, than the training of the Iraqis.
Why?
Because we know that Arabs, non-Iraqis who come to train in these kind of camps, are going to be sent to very dangerous and important operations outside Iraq; not inside Iraq. And they will be conducting very specific operations and dangerous operations in their own cities, or in their own countries, or other countries all over the world. Those Arabs are real volunteers. They come in small numbers, and they come with the intention to do some real suicidal operations. ...
There are other types of training, such as physical training, which we are all familiar with. But there's another kind of special training, which is called "self-confidence training." ... For example, a bunch of the fedayeen will be taken in a helicopter. They will fly them away to an unknown area, and they will be asked to jump out of the plane without knowing if there is underneath them a desert or a house or there's water. But they're supposed to jump. So, they will jump.
Another type of self-confidence training would be, for example, they will pull the pin of a hand grenade, and they will throw the hand grenade from one to another until the last one will throw it in the air and it will explode in the air. Another type of self-confidence training would be, they will put a hand grenade in a pipe, and they will pull the pin and throw it in the pipe, and stand near the pipe saluting the hand grenade until it explodes.
Other type of self-confidence training would be holding a rocket launcher, which is an Army GB-7, and holding it vertically, then shooting the rocket vertically, which is very unusual, but the backfire of this hand grenade will hit the ground next to you. And if you don't have self-confidence, you cannot do it. This is another kind of self-confidence training.
And they trained people to hijack airplanes?
Yes.
For what purpose?
... It has been said openly in the media and even to us, from the highest command, that the purpose of establishing Saddam's fighters is to attack American targets and American interests. This is known. There's no doubt about it.
- InfeImmo, on 03/16/2008, -2/+4Credibility: the quality of being believable or trustworthy
Credibility has nothing to do with the discontinuation of said nuclear programs, perhaps you mean fear. We lost a lot of credibility when we invaded Iraq.
Also, that little number with you pretending like you actually believe the OP was supporting Saddam is just special. You should see if Fox News is hiring. - nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -4/+5lol the digg conservatives are having a hard time not getting pounced
- SquigglyP, on 03/16/2008, -2/+4not conservatives: idiots. I consider myself to be a moderate with some conservative leanings, but these people who fanatically support Bush are only conservatives because they've been told by Rush Limbaugh that that's what they are. They're not, tho. They're just stupid.
- Hangly, on 03/17/2008, -1/+1Unfortunately I think the Olympics are about basically making money.
- Stevanoski, on 03/16/2008, -26/+7Actually quite the opposite. Our President increased our credibility, perhaps you meant popularity. Why else did Lybia roll over and turn over their nuke program, when? After we invaded Iraq. When did the CIA report, which all Leftist hailed as the truth, say Iran gave up on pursuing their nukes? 2003. Hmmmm, what happened in 2003? Oh, yeah, we invaded Iraq. We showed the world if you kill Americans, someone is going to pay. Is Saddam had only known that he may still be a dictator for you to continue to support, que sera.
- Picaroon, on 03/16/2008, -5/+15And yet just the other day we had all those ***** talking about how the US was just as bad as China. Idiots.
We do need to take a stand economically against them though.- hubbard67, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5the u.s. is too dependent on china and vice-versa, any such move on the behalf of either party would harm both equally and needlessly
- metric7, on 03/16/2008, -1/+11Sometimes you have to suffer to improve things.
- Azerael, on 03/16/2008, -0/+10The people in a position to improve things aren't the ones affected.
- metric7, on 03/16/2008, -1/+11Sometimes you have to suffer to improve things.
- kino101, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1I'm one of those mfers...maybe...different strokes...agree with Hubbard, but only because of our individual greed, and necessity. a decade or so ago, if we had bought the bullet,and bought American, we wouldn't be indebted to china so much, OK, split milk...
just when is the time to boycott china? its only gonna get worse, and we are headed for a depression thats gonna make the 'big one' seem like a joke....so, now or never. dont shop wal-fart, seller of 60% of all chinas imports, that will do what is needed. I'm not joking, but we, as Americans just wont do it. a two month boycott of wal-fart, before the Olympics, will give the USA the economic control over the dollar it needs to have.....pie in the sky stuff, I know..
dont think that America doesn't promote its own interests, just used to be, a few decades ago, we had statesmen who were able to include something more than pure profit...nowadays it all is in the bottom line, we have sold out our beliefs in human rights, in human dignity, to stock prices....as long as the Chinese deliver profits, well, countries like Tibet can just disappear...its not any one individuals fault, its the amalgamate expression of stockholders thats to blame. and, realize, that most stockholders aren't Joe working stiff, they are those with disposable cash, a whole different class, who somehow, have managed to speak for all americans...
sorry for the rant, if I weren't such a pcmoron I'd have a blog, but then, who would listen anyway, hahahha:)
- hubbard67, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5the u.s. is too dependent on china and vice-versa, any such move on the behalf of either party would harm both equally and needlessly
- Annibal, on 03/16/2008, -6/+56BOYCOTT OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!
- brad3378, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12How did China manage to win the privileged of hosting the 2008 Olympics anyway?
NPR radio mentioned the other day that athletes are practicing in China to become accustomed to the air pollution and getting sick in the process. - hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -0/+3yes I agree.
- brad3378, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12How did China manage to win the privileged of hosting the 2008 Olympics anyway?
- digitallysick, on 03/16/2008, -3/+40I agree boycott the olympics , we need to quit supporting communist china, and help tibet take back the country.
- metric7, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2http://www.buydirectusa.com/
- oldbull, on 03/16/2008, -2/+0Bring it on. Isn't it what US are good at? Breaking other countries into smaller pieces.
- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5China deserves it.
- insurgente, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2If you were to stop supporting the PRC, you would have to rebuild the production industry in the United States, as you have outsourced the vast, vast majority of your production to the PRC. Which would mean an expansion of the proletariat, something the leaders of the United States do not want.
Not only does the PRC need to get out of Tibet, the United States need to get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and all nations they have economically colonized. Also, Britain need to get the hell out of Ireland. - lonewolfe, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2lets all start boycotting China by throwing away our chinese made computers
- geneticlemon, on 03/16/2008, -9/+30It astonishes me how China has any credibility left in the global community, especially after the past two years of having their deplorable factory conditions basically paraded around the world. Both our children and pets were under serious threat of DYING (and some did) by poison because Chinese corporations didn't have it in their hearts to spend some time and effort into using non-toxic raw materials. Not to mention people in Japan started getting food poisoning from tainted gyoza shipped from ... CHINA! Japan's grocery industry, as trivial as this may sound to some of you, came under serious fire after this discovery.
But thanks to their cheap labor, rich countries just keep feeding them tons of money, so they can keep funding their corrupt government and economic practices ... It's disgusting. Don't trust a word that comes out of China's mouth when it comes to Tibet. They put a false 'lama' on their lead-encrusted throne, and expect the Tibetan people to be satisfied. And now I'm too angry to put together a coherent argument ...- screwthename, on 03/16/2008, -9/+5"And now I'm too angry to put together a coherent argument"
That's the only thing I agree with you, because you sound just like another brainwashed person- ib42, on 03/16/2008, -3/+8Why brainwashed? A whole lot more righteous indignation is what the world needs. I'm with the poster. It is absolute madness to have ANY ties with China, yet we have sold out to the quick buck syndrome. Truly completely sickening.
- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -0/+3Yep, geneticlemon is absolutely right.
- alanfanfan, on 03/16/2008, -6/+3You people know nothing about China. Do not ***** put your bias on a country you don't know about. "Brainwashed" is the only word I can say of you.
- xtraa, on 03/16/2008, -3/+2If a regime killed millions of people, I really don't want to know much more about it. It is the same thing than with the arsehole next door: After getting beaten up a few times, you don't really care for his curriculum vitae.
- tomejuan, on 03/16/2008, -6/+3i agree with alanfanfan, i come from hong kong which is now part of china and it is a global hub for the economy have you seen the TIME magazine issue a few months ago Ny.lon.kong. (NY, london and hk) you are clearly generalizing what china is and have no sense of decency but to bash this nation as if it were a punching bag for all your sorrows
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -1/+6Hong Kong was developed by the UK for nearly 100 years before it was returned to China about 10 years ago. Is that seriously your best example? Why not compare it with Guangzhou where you get like 6 sunny days a year, the rest covered in pollution?
- screwthename, on 03/16/2008, -9/+5"And now I'm too angry to put together a coherent argument"
- potisreallygood, on 03/16/2008, -15/+2New sport, monk toss.
- rz8472, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1More like Monksmanship - you replace clay pidgeons with live monks who have never deserved the oppression of the government. The Chinese and Burmese are strong contenders for 1st and 2nd place. But seriously, China is turning out to be a Burma, only more economically prosperous and reliant on cold hard numbers rather than tarot cards when it comes to dictating policy.
- Elwood19k20, on 03/16/2008, -5/+19Boycott the olympics, and slowly try to boycott all goods made in China. It is hard, I know, but if everyone at least tries, then it will make a difference over time. Let us stop supporting the terrorists and the nations that create them, and the terrorists will cease to exist. We should have learned our lessons in the midde east, lets not make the same mistakes with the far east. We may have a much harder time reversing our mistakes in that part of the world.
- metric7, on 03/16/2008, -3/+1http://www.buydirectusa.com/
- alanfanfan, on 03/16/2008, -3/+0Do not think you Americans are the world police and saint who can save the whole world. Your own country has a lot of ***** problems existing which cannot even seen in China. And plus, you have a lot of things to learn about global economy. I don't think the US president would think an embargo on chinese products would do American economy any good.
- dkern, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2Its not that difficult at all. Buy local and support small businesses.
- roadtripguy, on 03/16/2008, -3/+12I certainly hope that right in the middle of the Olympics the Tibetans rise up and take to the streets and back the Chinese Government into a corner. Rise up on a level that they would never tolerate under any circumstances and MAKE them attack their own citizenry while the whole world watches.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+11No, the Chinese govt has now declared a "People's War" to control TIbet:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080316/ts_nm/china_ti ...
That means there may not be any Tibetan protesters left to protest during the Olympics.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+11No, the Chinese govt has now declared a "People's War" to control TIbet:
- caferrell, on 03/16/2008, -3/+21Better than the silly and unpopular boycott of the Olympics would be for the President and the Congress to put their pants on and put a 15% tarriff on anything coming from China until they float the Yuan and let it rise to its real value. Tell them that until thsy givs Tibst autonomy that thsre will be no negocisting sbout ths tarriff. That would solve our trade deficit
Sorry for typing on iPhone- hmunkey, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1Lol. iPhone typing... ahhhhh.
- metric7, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2It's not going to come from our govt. they are corrupt and in the pocket of the chinese. We have to do it ourselves.
- jahnkeuxo, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4I was about to ask, have you been drinking? You seem to be slurring a bit.
- neio, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5iPhone, made in China.
- caferrell, on 03/16/2008, -1/+3touche
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2Read it carefully. Our iPhones all say "Assembled in China". I opened mine up, everything inside says "Made in Taiwan". You know, China's democratic neighbor.
- caferrell, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1That makes me feel a little better
- thallium205, on 03/16/2008, -12/+3Operation Mission Democracy:
TODAY: Iraq
TOMORROW: Iran
DAY AFTER TOMORROW: Tibet
Be Nice... or We will show you the full force of democracy.- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -8/+1haha,,you wanna fight with CN????hahaahha~~~~~funny,,,look back the history,,,US?India and japan,,and also vietnam,,,??? which one is the winner that fougt with CN??,,,want have a war with china,,,??we are very glad to accept it!!!!hahha,,come on!!
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3wow...omg...wow...
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2Yeah the Chinese Government apologists are out in full force.
- Hangly, on 03/17/2008, -1/+1Vietnam beat you, just FYI.
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3wow...omg...wow...
- ConfuseDuck, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2Clearly, we've shown democracy's full force in Iraq
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -8/+1haha,,you wanna fight with CN????hahaahha~~~~~funny,,,look back the history,,,US?India and japan,,and also vietnam,,,??? which one is the winner that fougt with CN??,,,want have a war with china,,,??we are very glad to accept it!!!!hahha,,come on!!
- Dbeneath, on 03/16/2008, -2/+17China's been bullying Tibet for decades. and what I call bullying, most Tibetans call genocide. I wonder if the world knew about what has been going on there they would even give enough of a ***** to boycott the Olympics. My heart hopes yes, my brain says no.
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+0come on,,baby,,,come china to fight with us,,,haha~~~~~u will be killed too,,,
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6i hope you'll be causualty
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+0come on,,baby,,,come china to fight with us,,,haha~~~~~u will be killed too,,,
- webefools, on 03/16/2008, -2/+13boycott!
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -9/+0***** your ***** contry
- webefools, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6不要脸的东西
- ericknows, on 03/18/2008, -1/+0淫荡货,想不到你还说得来中国话
- webefools, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6不要脸的东西
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -9/+0***** your ***** contry
- webefools, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7who's going to do the olympics this year? it's going to be nbc and that midget bobo costas again? that's enough me for to boycott the olympics...
- HCviolence, on 03/16/2008, -7/+2Far too many people die for the politics of the minority.
- jlhoben, on 03/16/2008, -9/+1Tibet needs to be liberated - like Iraq.
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+1***** you mom
- slave1, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1jhoben is your mom? And why would you wanna ***** your own mom anyway? Is that what the CCP teaches the Chinese these days to control the population?
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+1***** you mom
- brendanryder, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4Rest In Peace.
- hmunkey, on 03/16/2008, -7/+13Wasn't there a RP article earlier today about how USA's human rights record is worse than China's? I disagreed and got dugg down them. Let's see what people have to say now.
In all honesty, sure, the USA has tortured some and committed some atrocious acts, but there has never been suppression, Tianamen Square events, and so on. Not to mention there hasn't been any of this is a society with mixed ethnicities and religions. China can't handle a slightly different race and one religion. Imagine if they had our population.- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5If you do your research China has the 72 distinct and mostly indigenous races.
- hmunkey, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1Sorry, I was only stating my opinion. I guess I should have looked it up.
- InfeImmo, on 03/16/2008, -6/+4I think its kind of naive to simply brush aside American atrocities and then rail on the Chinese for theirs. While I obviously don't think any regime is justified in their wrong-doings simply because others have done the same, America is just as guilty as the next country when it comes down to it. Sure, you or some other individual(s) may have the credibility to be morally outraged, but I don't feel as if the American institution does.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4Compare in terms of scale please. We're talking about a government that has killed 5 times more the innocent civilians than the Nazi's to the USA.
- InfeImmo, on 03/16/2008, -1/+0I don't understand what you're saying/asking... please rephrase?
- hmunkey, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1The American government isn't as bad as you think.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4Compare in terms of scale please. We're talking about a government that has killed 5 times more the innocent civilians than the Nazi's to the USA.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -6/+4Huh? Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about, I like how you condemn China for not being able to handle ethnic conflicts because they are not "mixed" or not as equipped as the US to deal with population. Last time I checked there were 56 different ethnic groups that make up China and 1.3 billion people. Never been suppression or atrocious acts in the USA, really? We got problems and we're still only at the 300 million mark, lets see what happens in the US if our population quadrupled, see how easily handled that is.
- StGhurka, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2Having an ethnically diverse population is no excuse. Plus, if that's the problem, then it's just all the more reason for them to GTFO of Tibet.
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5If you do your research China has the 72 distinct and mostly indigenous races.
- DeFex, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5 mz rice says:
IM AN AMERICAN WE ARE THE BOSS OF THE WORLD! so do what i say!
we dont want any trouble for pepsi , mcdognads and exon who are sponsoring the olympics!- leerayIG88, on 03/16/2008, -2/+1We should start a WAR with China. Who's with me?
Command & Conquer!!
- leerayIG88, on 03/16/2008, -2/+1We should start a WAR with China. Who's with me?
- LogitechG15, on 03/16/2008, -4/+12As an American, China scares me :(
- ib42, on 03/16/2008, -6/+4As an American, America's politics, greed and lack of moral fiber scares me.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -3/+1As a Human Being, talk that scares me cause it's either a product or a cause of war
- liuite, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6as a Chinese-American, China scares me.
- idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -2/+9Disgraceful, this is the country where the olympic will be held. One of the condition for the olympics was that China will improve its human rights record and that has not happened. I say not only boycott the olympic but try and not buy anything that is made in China.
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -13/+2yes,,very good,,they should be killed!!!!Bcs few tibetan want dependence,,,it's necessary to kill them who want to divide tibet from china!!!!!
- idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7This is the difference between breast fed and propganda fed. Natural is better
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5"tibetan want dependence"
i like your grammars...and loves the fallacys
- JerodSlay, on 03/16/2008, -7/+14Boycott the Genocide Olympics
China supports Sudan's backing of the genocide in Darfur.
Now this.
Boycott, and tell others. Most people don't know.- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -6/+0haaha~~~boycott olympics??that's so funny,,,,we dont care about olympics,,boycott your ***** olympics,,,,haha,,,,
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5troll
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -6/+0haaha~~~boycott olympics??that's so funny,,,,we dont care about olympics,,boycott your ***** olympics,,,,haha,,,,
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -9/+8How do you know that it wasn't Chinese being killed. If you read the article you will realize that the protest are violent. Even the picture is of Tibetans leaving a man beaten on the street.
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+4yes,,i agree with u,,,,some ***** foreign medias and foreigners are foolish,and they think they were god,,they are superman,,and they want save the whole world,,,that's too foolish,,,and funny,please,,,some foolish foregners ,you should come to china ,and come to tibet to see the truth,,,,dont think all news from your ***** western medias are all right,,,,yes,,,if you wanna boycott olympics,,ye,,we are pleasure,,and i want know that how will you boycott our olympics???haha~~~~~please tell me,,,,won't watch tv? or wont read newspapers,,even protest in your streets??or protest in china??hahah~~~~please dont be childish,,,becasue all chinese people willl laugh at you,,,
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4I don't want to be associate with his comments.
- Codylan, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1Hmm, protesting monks and peasants vs. chinese security with AK-47's. I'd bet the guys without guns are more dead than the guys with.
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -1/+3A lot of diggers are ignorant and blind. They decide to hate China so much because of the product recalls, because the US had been portrait China as a cruel dictator country.
When they see articles like this, they automatically decides it must be China killing the Tibetans, not the other way around. The truth was, from my friends who had been to Tibet, the non-natives visiting there won't dare to carry any knife or things resemble a weapon there, because the natives will kill them if they do. The Tibetans actually had committed a lot of terrorist acts against Hans, just like the Muslim against the non-muslims. Not all of them are the peaceful monks you would imagine, just like any other religions out there, not all followers are saints.
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -7/+4yes,,i agree with u,,,,some ***** foreign medias and foreigners are foolish,and they think they were god,,they are superman,,and they want save the whole world,,,that's too foolish,,,and funny,please,,,some foolish foregners ,you should come to china ,and come to tibet to see the truth,,,,dont think all news from your ***** western medias are all right,,,,yes,,,if you wanna boycott olympics,,ye,,we are pleasure,,and i want know that how will you boycott our olympics???haha~~~~~please tell me,,,,won't watch tv? or wont read newspapers,,even protest in your streets??or protest in china??hahah~~~~please dont be childish,,,becasue all chinese people willl laugh at you,,,
- irvin666, on 03/16/2008, -7/+6Let the Dalai Llama get his slaves back, GEESH!
- digggggggggg, on 03/16/2008, -5/+22Let's look at this from another point of view.
I think what Communist China is doing to Tibet, restricting religion and ignoring human rights, is absolutely horrible. However, let's not forget that many of the people who lost their lives or livelihood from this catastrophe are innocent bystanders, people who owned stores, restaurants, and meant no harm.
From what I hear, this is sounding more and more like a race riot. Of course their government will bring in troops to maintain order, at the very minimum. I mean, what else can they do? Let the angry mob burn stuff and leave everyone else to fend for themselves? I can't believe how so many of us are jumping to conclusions and just assuming that every single one of the deaths are directly at the fault of the Chinese government, and that we should therefore boycott Chinese goods and so on.
I'm for a free Tibet as much as anyone else, but I just don't think that violence is the way towards this goal.- DarthVox, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2my sentiments exactly. Too many diggers don't read the details and instead think the Chinese government actually started the riots
- vivsriaus, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2"I'm for a free Tibet as much as anyone else, but I just don't think that violence is the way towards this goal."
Can't agree with you more! Freedom by non-violence is the way to go.- 88iou, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1They've had non-violent protests in the past. Unfortunately, all that happened is that the protesters were either killed or arrested. Most movements for freedom and equality inevitably have violence otherwise they are never taken seriously.
- lead2thehead, on 03/16/2008, -10/+6Monks are the most peaceful people on the planet. It takes a special kind of ***** to shoot one.
- Danial, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1It takes a retard to drink the Kool-Aid, as evident above.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -2/+1Danial ain't just a riva in egypt, as shown by u
- cerealjynx, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2Danial isn't even a word! LOL
- cerealjynx, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2Oh *****, It was a pun. I fail.
- cerealjynx, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2Danial isn't even a word! LOL
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -2/+1Danial ain't just a riva in egypt, as shown by u
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2Saying all buddist monks are peaceful is the same as saying there is no murderers among Christians.
Every religion has their crazy branch, even a peaceful one like buddism.
- Danial, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1It takes a retard to drink the Kool-Aid, as evident above.
- nhand42, on 03/16/2008, -9/+43Tibet was ruled for 100s of years by theocrats; the most vile form of sovereignty known to man. The monasteries owned all property and Tibetans were literally owned as slaves. For example the Drupang monastery owned 25000 serfs and 16000 herdsmen. The slaves were not paid and had no rights while the lamas lived in luxury. The commander in-chief of the Tibetan Army (yes, Tibet had an army) personally owned 3500 slaves.
It was estimated that of the 1.25 million people Tibetans than 700 thousand of them were slaves to the monasteries. Pretty slave girls were taken from their villages to become house servants for the richer lamas and there were many stories of sexual abuse. Slaves who tried to escape were beaten, sometimes to death, and Tibetan law condoned this form of "punishment".
Tibetan lamas even used torture against their own people. Tsereh Wang Tuei was convicted of theft (he stole a sheep to feed his starving family) and as punishment had his hands and eyes mutilated. The Tibetan torture equipment was still in active use right up to the invasion by the Chinese army.
In 1959 the Chinese (violently) imposed their form of communism on Tibet. This immediately meant the abolishment of torture, floggings, mutilations and amputations as forms of punishment. They built schools and created clean water supplies. They divided the land amongst the Tibetans; abolishing slavery in the process.
The Chinese were ruthless against the Tibetan lamas who rightly perceived that their power and wealth was slipping away - this is where the history of human rights abuses stems from - but the average Tibetan welcomed the Chinese invasion. Wangchuk was a former slave who said "I may not be free under Chinese communism, but I am better off than when I was a slave".
Is the Chinese occupation all roses and smiles? Of course not, but the story is not as one-sided as some of you might believe.- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -8/+8People are burying this inconvinient truth.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -2/+2Well yeah because he's almost trying to say that the Tibetans themselves couldn't have formed a better government on their own, that they needed "Chinese Liberation". This is what China teaches to all its people to justify the invasion of Tibet, and many other lands.
- Ortheos, on 03/16/2008, -5/+12Welcome to the real world kids, what nhand speaks is what was, and what is. Open your eyes. This is not as one sided as the western media wants you to believe.
- anbublackops, on 03/16/2008, -4/+0While the story may not be as one-sided as it seems, the vast majority of Tibetans were happy with the way things were. The Chinese invaded, killed and tortured over 1 million people, and destroyed almost all of their culture. I'm not a "hippie *****", in fact I am politically conservative, but the fact of the matter remains that China basically invaded and destroyed a country that they had no right being in. China claims that they were doing it for the people, but what they really wanted was the region's untapped resources. The ironic thing is that China expected to be welcomed not by the ruling class but by the vast majority of Tibetans, who were serfs. However, it was these serfs who most resented communist rule and formed the majority of the rebellion in Eastern Tibet.
- idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -8/+5Is that suppose to be some kind of justification. From the 2 replier above, it seems that Tibet past is somehow a justifable mean to Chinese oppression in Tibet, which is load of crap. So Tibet had a brutal past, no more than the Chinese.
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -3/+6No just pointing out the bias in the media. I guess you believe from the article that 100 monks were killed but read carefully before you decide.
Tibetan history for those who are interested: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html- idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -6/+2Bias in the media ? They're not teaching a history class, they're report on CURRENT events. Keep sticking to your fabricated story if it makes you sleep better
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1ha
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -3/+6No just pointing out the bias in the media. I guess you believe from the article that 100 monks were killed but read carefully before you decide.
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -9/+4This DOES NOT justify the Chinese to KILL 100 PROTESTERS. These are normal people that they killed. NOT rich slaves holders, those selfish people would never risk their lives in a protest. These INNOCENT protesters are the casualties here. Don't group them all together. That's like saying every Iraqi is a mass murder, when only a few was a part of it.
- nhand42, on 03/16/2008, -5/+12"This DOES NOT justify the Chinese to KILL 100 PROTESTERS."
The 100 protestors who were burning down buildings and managed to kill 10 innocent Han Chinese people before the army even stepped in? Are those the protestors you're talking about? Are you talking about the murdering violent protestors who were killing innocent people by burning them alive inside their buildings. The violent murdering protestors who were subsequently stopped by the armed forces? Are THOSE the protestors you're talking about?
"That's like saying every Iraqi is a mass murder, when only a few was a part of it."
A part of what? What "mass murder" event are you talking about that involved Iraqis? Is this a mass murder event on Iraqi soil - you know, where they're defending their land against the illegal invasion by American forces - or are you referring to a different mass murder event?- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -5/+3so were these 100 people brought before a court and proved to be guilty of murdering the 10 Chinese, then put to death, or were they random protester that happens to be there and was killed?
Have you not heard of the mass genocide Saddam did on his people in Iraq and the suicide bomber that's not only killing US soldier but Iraqis as well? Look it up buddy!
Are you saying that is is justified to oppress a country and kill their people, just because of a few people are murders?
Look, I'm not denying the death of 10 Chinese, and I think that was a horrible way to protest by burning them to death, but these are the act of a few compare to the WHOLE country.- nhand42, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6"so were these 100 people brought before a court and proved to be guilty of murdering the 10 Chinese, then put to death, or were they random protester that happens to be there and was killed?"
Random protestors that happen to be burning people alive, violently clashing with armed forces, kicking people to death in the streets? They're just "random protestors" are they? Are you completely and utterly ***** insane?
And you betray yourself by supporting the death penalty when you say "then put to death". Barbaric. - Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -6/+1I said, "then put to death" due to the fact, THEY WERE PUT TO DEATH. It has no reflection on my views on the death penalty. The fact is that there was thousands of protesters, if there was only about maybe 100 protesters, then I can see where the logic comes into play. The fact is YOU are NOT sure that those 100 people were guilty of ANY crimes, and that EVERY one of the 100 were the murders of the 10 Chinese. Therefore, they are INNOCENT.
- tim04, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4and WHERE does it say that Chinese troops lined up these 100 protesters and shot them? It sounds more like they're just deaths that have resulted from VIOLENT PROTESTS (I thought everyone said monks were super peaceful, clearly not). Some were probably killed by troops, some by protesters, and others from the rioting. They weren't exactly planned out murders, and you can't exactly expect the police to prevent all of deaths in a violent riot when they're not actually doing the killing directly.
- nhand42, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6"so were these 100 people brought before a court and proved to be guilty of murdering the 10 Chinese, then put to death, or were they random protester that happens to be there and was killed?"
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -5/+3so were these 100 people brought before a court and proved to be guilty of murdering the 10 Chinese, then put to death, or were they random protester that happens to be there and was killed?
- nhand42, on 03/16/2008, -5/+12"This DOES NOT justify the Chinese to KILL 100 PROTESTERS."
- Danial, on 03/16/2008, -5/+4Excellent post man! Show these hippie ***** what's up before jumping on another silly bandwagon.
- hmunkey, on 03/17/2008, -1/+1How is it hippie to be mad at China? I was under the impression that chanting "USA" was the most Republican thing to do.
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5Yea Germany got a history too (no country have a perfect history), you might want to look that up. So in your logic all Germans are all assholes for something they did 65 years ago and if they were oppressed by the Chinese today, it would be fine. Your logic is flawless.
The point is that not all the people in Tibet is the same, and that people do change over time. (unless Germany is still killing Jews behind our back)- cyberm, on 03/16/2008, -1/+0Uh there is another wester country that abolished slavery only after fighting a major civil war in the 19th century. But on the other hand. they are working hard to be ruled, at least financially, by the Chinese. Just sayin'
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3Thank you thank you thank you for posting some truth with the Tibetan history!!!
Too many diggers are too ignorant and stupid to read it up and see for themselves what really happened there.
So many diggers chant "free Tibet" without knowing why Tibet needs to be freed, and if anything beneficial will come out of it.
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -8/+8People are burying this inconvinient truth.
- MattyLee, on 03/16/2008, -10/+8Free Tibet, boycott the olympics. Out!!!
- ericknows, on 03/16/2008, -6/+0you should free you JB,,HAHA!!!
- hmunkey, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1Out?
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -3/+6This is way Bigger of a deal than that ANONYMOUS VS SCIENTOLOGY crap. People are dieing! This NEEDS to be on the front page.
- oldbull, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1It should. Just like 9-11.
- Ghoztt, on 03/16/2008, -3/+4Wow. It's very sad this article is this low in Digg's. It's going to suck when 100's of us start getting killed in peaceful protests in America and it only gets a few hundred Diggs.
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -3/+3Either that, or maybe most digg users are Communist China supporters.
- morningmatters, on 03/16/2008, -1/+8Did you read the article? The protest is hardly peaceful, and most Americans don't care about world politics.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -1/+8peaceful protests? did you read the article, they were burning buildings down
- morningmatters, on 03/16/2008, -3/+8From the death numbers reported by both sides, my guess is that 10 ethnic Han Chinese were burnt alive and maybe 50 ethnic Tibetans were killed by the police. The Chinese government's propaganda is typical as always, something about evil separatists blah blah. It's interesting that Dalai Lama is only pleading for the lives of the monks and not for the lives of the Han Chinese business owners who had nothing to do with the Chinese policy towards ethnic Tibetans. Ultimately there is not much a government can do in the case of a violent riot other than to send in the military and lock down the city. Unless the Chinese police start to shoot hundreds of monks in front of the camera there is not a lot of new materials for the West to criticize.
- r3negadeX, on 08/11/2008, -6/+7Sorry but Ghandi-style resistance doesn't always work. The Tibetans need to grab some assault rifles and get to work. Also, if America does not boycott the Olympics we are all going to hell.
- deformation, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5Actually it wasn't a Gandhi style resistance, the violence started when Tibetan protesters attacked Chinese stores and people there, they even burned a mosque that belongs to the Muslim minority there.
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -0/+2You need to learn the truth before assuming things.
The Tibetans weren't peaceful, even though they are monks. They are the ones started burning and killing, and that forced the Government to send troops in, to protect the non-tibetans (that includes some of the Westerners as well)
- mrzack, on 03/16/2008, -3/+5so what? There are Vietnamese being born deformed because their DNA was destroyed by toxic poisons such as agent orange sprayed by the US during Vietnam war. What do you think will be the fate of the Iraqis from the US Military's depleted Uranium rounds used in both Iraq wars? The US military denies of all gulf war syndrome, and kicks vets to the curb. ***** US imperialism.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -2/+9a lot of ppl in the comments seem to have a vision in their head of peaceful protesting with signs and walking back and forth and then being shot by cops, when after reading the article it states people where burning buildings down and getting violent after the crowd control tear gas
- mwang1999, on 03/16/2008, -9/+8Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Justice
Start your own currency!
Make your own stamp
Protect your language
Declare independence
Don't let them do that to you
Declare independence
Don't let them do that to you
[x4] Make your own flag!
[x6] Raise your flag! (Higher, higher!)
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Damn colonists
Ignore their patronizing
Tear off their blindfolds
Open their eyes
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
With a flag and a trumpet
Go to the top of your highest mountain!
And raise your flag! (Higher, higher!)
[x5] Raise your flag! (Higher, higher!)
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Raise the flag!- hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1good timing.
- masupra, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5Well from what I read, it's more like a race riot, innocent bystanders got burnt. Does this look like a sacred war to independence? Not to me.
- hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1yeah, they look like Nazi.
- Danial, on 03/16/2008, -6/+9http://globalcomment.com/2008/disliking-the-demi-g ...
I suggest all of you naive romanticizing fools read that before indulging in delusions.- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6ur nick describes u well
Dalai Lama is still calling for peaceful non-violence, even when his people are being shot in the streets, and having their homes ransacked.
But you're still bad-mouthing him like the sick puppet you are.
Your comments say more about you than about the subject you're commenting upon.- Danial, on 03/16/2008, -4/+4Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, chump.
- xing808, on 03/16/2008, -2/+1Isn't it the protester doing the ransacking? Obviously you don't understand the big picture if you don't understand the article.
- an0nym0uz, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1looks like your the puppet here dude
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6ur nick describes u well
- neio, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6How about boycotting American company's who manufacture goods in China?
Apple, HP, Cisco, ect, ect. - enrydice, on 03/16/2008, -7/+1UK is really disgraceful to support terrorist group and activity. It's a shame!
Excellent, China did the right thing to crack down these terrorist group. Tibet's terrorist attacks came from from Dela lama and Ben laden's Okeda groups. China is a great country and world leader in anti-terrorist.
We believe that North Ireland should separate from the UK and use force to do that.
Short UK! Sank UK!- atish505, on 03/16/2008, -1/+3Bomb China and Liberate Tibet Now. Bury the communist mother fu____rs today.
- hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -0/+0enrydice,
you seem having bad experience in U.K., it's a matter that should not be told in this topic. Digg and bury yourself.
- Wangasta, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1u know how many innocent civilians died because of iraq war? STFU u supremist
- powerfullogic, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1The time to Nuke China is now! Drop a small one on the UK too.
- enrydice, on 03/16/2008, -2/+3it sucks...no one will have fun with tibet~~
lots of shops,malls,public accommodations are ruined by these terrorists..in the coming years,other provinces will have to succour tibet..
actually,whoever attacks the civilians,destroy the shops,disturb the social order are all terrorists,regardless of what reasons.they must be responsible for their act s of sabotage,they will be punished!!!
it's ridicules that the perpetrators act under the banner of democracy,ironic it is!!
former slaves do violence for the purpose of being slaves
former slave owners do violence for the purpose of being slaves owners under the banner of protecting the culture
what's worse is that some so-called democratic western countries support these inhumanity,just because the inhumanity occur in slighted China...- atish505, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2You areforgetting the fact that your communist, draconian state (that has one of the worst human rights record anywhere in the world)
- andegg, on 03/16/2008, -1/+0really?maybe you should come to china to see a real china.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1Um I have, and I can say its a ***** hole for arresting and executing journalists that blew the whistle on your government.
- andegg, on 03/16/2008, -1/+0really?maybe you should come to china to see a real china.
- hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -0/+0enrydice,
you should comment like that after reading china history how other democratic countries tell.
- atish505, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2You areforgetting the fact that your communist, draconian state (that has one of the worst human rights record anywhere in the world)
- j10fighter, on 03/16/2008, -2/+14I used to live in a Tibetan Autonomous State in Sichuan, China when I was a kid. I know for a fact that Tibetans and other Ethnic groups get preferential treatment compared with Han Chinese in everything from education, job, etc. In addition, Tibetans have the privilege to carry their long knifes with them, while Han Chinese are not allowed to own them.
I remember that all of my mom's friends would registered their kids as an Ethnic minority if one of the parents is a Tibetan or Hui. That should tell you if Tibetans are mistreated or suppressed.
I have no love for the Communist Government in China, but I can tell me that it does not mistreat minorities. It is funny to see how westerners just follow the former slave owners (like "his holiness") who suddenly became peace lovers, w/o seeing things first hand.- huangweiqiu, on 03/16/2008, -1/+3 western want hold this as a key to suppress China,America which is well-knowed war fanaticism in order to rule whoke the planet,they are made most of lies to foolish their people.
- dema, on 03/16/2008, -1/+2>It is funny to see how westerners just follow the former slave owners (like "his holiness") who suddenly became peace lovers, w/o seeing things first hand.
Well consider the United State's own past -- Abraham Lincoln (: - ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -3/+3J10 fighter is ***** and should be buried. First, the name is a dead giveaway because J10 is the Chinese governments latest national fighter. Secondly, Tibetans don't get preferential treatment in jobs or education at all. In fact they get separated education that is behind and shorter school years. They are passed or glossed over for any managerial spots and there are tens of thousands of Tibetan beggars in Tibet now. Go visit and see for yourself, or go ask or check ANY REAL SOURCE. Don't trust a shill that would actually call Tibet, "Tibet Autonomous State in Sichuan" the Mandarin name for the area by the Chinese government.
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4you sound like a total idiot. -__-
From what I know, the minorities in China do get preferential treatment in education at least, when applying for high school or colleges, they get extra points added to their GPA because of the minority status. How's that not a preferential treatment? There's no separation in educaiton in China at all. Only reason Tibetans don't have a good education system compare to big cities like Beijing is because they are so remote, it's hard to get teachers to work there.
- notouch, on 03/16/2008, -1/+4you sound like a total idiot. -__-
- benighted, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1also,these "Ethnic Minorities" are not subjected to the “one-couple, one-child” family planning policy.
- jofukia, on 03/16/2008, -3/+2How China is destroying Tibet:
http://xrl.in/yl - atish505, on 03/16/2008, -3/+2Bomb China's military and political targets now! Let's put an end to the misery of 100s of million of people who are deprived of basic Human rights.
Boycott Olympics and anything 'Made in China'.- huangweiqiu, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1because the world has you guy with violence,the world still is not peaceful!!! If you think you have enough power to bomb us,come on ,we are waiting for any enemy!!
- smek2, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1"the misery of 100s of million of people who are deprived of basic Human rights" -- what the ***** are you talking about. The U.S. are abusing human rights en mass, but that's ok, because all Iraqis are basically terrorists, right?
- oldbull, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5It's interesting to compare many diggers with the so called "angry youth" in China. Both groups like to jump to the conclusion and criticizing without even knowing what they are talking about, or at least figure out what the article says. The difference is that diggers wants to blame everything to China, while Chinese "angry youth" wants to blame everything to US. Some diggers say they are better informed than ppl in China. Maybe. But if you just read what you like to read, you are no better than the Chinese, who you think are very poor informed.
Conclusion: read both side's story, then make your conclusion, please!- Eniggma, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1It's waste of time to read Chinese articles, since they are all controlled and meticulously distorted by Beijing. I've been to Tibet and what I saw there was a severe tribulation that Tibetans face and the disguised prosperity drived and owned by ethnic Chinese ppl. Chinese youngsters are all brainwashed. They lack of what we say "reasonable" and "objective." You can check the Chinese-side articles as you want to know how seriously they distort the facts, but there'd be no more significance.
- benighted, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1"Chinese youngsters are all brainwashed. "
I just loled
- benighted, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1"Chinese youngsters are all brainwashed. "
- hedgehog88, on 03/16/2008, -2/+0oldbull, it's a theory for democratic countries.
You come to China to search it and will find all get disconnected, you will find you are an egghead.
- Eniggma, on 03/16/2008, -4/+1It's waste of time to read Chinese articles, since they are all controlled and meticulously distorted by Beijing. I've been to Tibet and what I saw there was a severe tribulation that Tibetans face and the disguised prosperity drived and owned by ethnic Chinese ppl. Chinese youngsters are all brainwashed. They lack of what we say "reasonable" and "objective." You can check the Chinese-side articles as you want to know how seriously they distort the facts, but there'd be no more significance.
- silentnight913, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1This was out dugg by a crotch/lamp photo. Just saying.....
- smek2, on 03/16/2008, -0/+1That's Digg for you.
- rkho, on 03/16/2008, -10/+4I'm boycotting the Olympics. As a Chinese-American, I am ashamed by China's attitudes. Isn't Chinese culture strict when it comes to respecting elders and having good manners? Then why is it that the high-ups in the Chinese government don't adhere to the standards that have been passed down from generation to generation for the last thousands of years? Why is it that ninety percent of Chinese people insist on being hypocritical, rude, violent douchebags who want to force this culture upon everyone while NOT SETTING AN EXAMPLE?
***** China. ***** the Chinese. If I could get a DNA swap, I would do it in a heartbeat. ***** CHINA. That country could be struck by a meteorite and I wouldn't give a damn.- andegg, on 03/16/2008, -3/+6you,As a Chinese-American.so you know nothing about china
- rkho, on 03/16/2008, -1/+1If I don't, then I don't want to and am glad I don't know more.
- Eniggma, on 03/16/2008, -3/+1that's because chinese people have been raped by neighbor nomads from generation to generation. they have lost their ethnic identity. so they have to adhere to unrealistic ideology of nationalism.
- smek2, on 03/16/2008, -0/+3"DNA swap," -- Wow, thats pretty dumb. If not to say racist. Shows that you pretty much unqualified to comment these issues.
- andegg, on 03/16/2008, -3/+6you,As a Chinese-American.so you know nothing about china
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