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- inactive, on 03/16/2008, -5/+71But the world is about to pump a few billion dollars into Communist China's economy in a few months, which by proxy, just supports this type of behavior.
The truly courageous step would be for the countries which are partaking in the 2008 Summer Olympics to boycott it.
But that will never happen, since courage is not an ideal that is held in great admiration in our fear based religious societies. - vwerf, on 03/16/2008, -6/+68It takes alot of balls to Boycott something as big as the Olympics, but it sends a HUGE message. It says that the Olympics are about all people being given BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. and that we oppose China's deplorable human rights record. But then again when your president destroys all of America's credibility why on earth would he take good moral road.
As they say liberty dies not with a scream, but with cheers and applause. - Annibal, on 03/16/2008, -6/+56BOYCOTT OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!
- inactive, on 03/16/2008, -3/+40I agree boycott the olympics , we need to quit supporting communist china, and help tibet take back the country.
- inactive, on 03/16/2008, -9/+43Tibet was ruled for 100s of years by theocrats; the most vile form of sovereignty known to man. The monasteries owned all property and Tibetans were literally owned as slaves. For example the Drupang monastery owned 25000 serfs and 16000 herdsmen. The slaves were not paid and had no rights while the lamas lived in luxury. The commander in-chief of the Tibetan Army (yes, Tibet had an army) personally owned 3500 slaves.
It was estimated that of the 1.25 million people Tibetans than 700 thousand of them were slaves to the monasteries. Pretty slave girls were taken from their villages to become house servants for the richer lamas and there were many stories of sexual abuse. Slaves who tried to escape were beaten, sometimes to death, and Tibetan law condoned this form of "punishment".
Tibetan lamas even used torture against their own people. Tsereh Wang Tuei was convicted of theft (he stole a sheep to feed his starving family) and as punishment had his hands and eyes mutilated. The Tibetan torture equipment was still in active use right up to the invasion by the Chinese army.
In 1959 the Chinese (violently) imposed their form of communism on Tibet. This immediately meant the abolishment of torture, floggings, mutilations and amputations as forms of punishment. They built schools and created clean water supplies. They divided the land amongst the Tibetans; abolishing slavery in the process.
The Chinese were ruthless against the Tibetan lamas who rightly perceived that their power and wealth was slipping away - this is where the history of human rights abuses stems from - but the average Tibetan welcomed the Chinese invasion. Wangchuk was a former slave who said "I may not be free under Chinese communism, but I am better off than when I was a slave".
Is the Chinese occupation all roses and smiles? Of course not, but the story is not as one-sided as some of you might believe. - wonderchemist, on 03/16/2008, -3/+35I agree, the US would easily win a gold if waterboarding was an olympic event.
- geneticlemon, on 03/16/2008, -9/+30It astonishes me how China has any credibility left in the global community, especially after the past two years of having their deplorable factory conditions basically paraded around the world. Both our children and pets were under serious threat of DYING (and some did) by poison because Chinese corporations didn't have it in their hearts to spend some time and effort into using non-toxic raw materials. Not to mention people in Japan started getting food poisoning from tainted gyoza shipped from ... CHINA! Japan's grocery industry, as trivial as this may sound to some of you, came under serious fire after this discovery.
But thanks to their cheap labor, rich countries just keep feeding them tons of money, so they can keep funding their corrupt government and economic practices ... It's disgusting. Don't trust a word that comes out of China's mouth when it comes to Tibet. They put a false 'lama' on their lead-encrusted throne, and expect the Tibetan people to be satisfied. And now I'm too angry to put together a coherent argument ... - inactive, on 03/16/2008, -3/+21Better than the silly and unpopular boycott of the Olympics would be for the President and the Congress to put their pants on and put a 15% tarriff on anything coming from China until they float the Yuan and let it rise to its real value. Tell them that until thsy givs Tibst autonomy that thsre will be no negocisting sbout ths tarriff. That would solve our trade deficit
Sorry for typing on iPhone - digggggggggg, on 03/16/2008, -5/+22Let's look at this from another point of view.
I think what Communist China is doing to Tibet, restricting religion and ignoring human rights, is absolutely horrible. However, let's not forget that many of the people who lost their lives or livelihood from this catastrophe are innocent bystanders, people who owned stores, restaurants, and meant no harm.
From what I hear, this is sounding more and more like a race riot. Of course their government will bring in troops to maintain order, at the very minimum. I mean, what else can they do? Let the angry mob burn stuff and leave everyone else to fend for themselves? I can't believe how so many of us are jumping to conclusions and just assuming that every single one of the deaths are directly at the fault of the Chinese government, and that we should therefore boycott Chinese goods and so on.
I'm for a free Tibet as much as anyone else, but I just don't think that violence is the way towards this goal. - inactive, on 03/16/2008, -1/+17But we do billions of dollars of trade with Communist China. How come we do that when they have 21 Nuclear warheads aimed at the United States 24 hours a day, and we don't do business with Communist Cuba who have essentially no military?
(ohh i bet you haven't thought about that kid huh?) - Dbeneath, on 03/16/2008, -2/+17China's been bullying Tibet for decades. and what I call bullying, most Tibetans call genocide. I wonder if the world knew about what has been going on there they would even give enough of a ***** to boycott the Olympics. My heart hopes yes, my brain says no.
- Elwood19k20, on 03/16/2008, -5/+19Boycott the olympics, and slowly try to boycott all goods made in China. It is hard, I know, but if everyone at least tries, then it will make a difference over time. Let us stop supporting the terrorists and the nations that create them, and the terrorists will cease to exist. We should have learned our lessons in the midde east, lets not make the same mistakes with the far east. We may have a much harder time reversing our mistakes in that part of the world.
- j10fighter, on 03/16/2008, -2/+14I used to live in a Tibetan Autonomous State in Sichuan, China when I was a kid. I know for a fact that Tibetans and other Ethnic groups get preferential treatment compared with Han Chinese in everything from education, job, etc. In addition, Tibetans have the privilege to carry their long knifes with them, while Han Chinese are not allowed to own them.
I remember that all of my mom's friends would registered their kids as an Ethnic minority if one of the parents is a Tibetan or Hui. That should tell you if Tibetans are mistreated or suppressed.
I have no love for the Communist Government in China, but I can tell me that it does not mistreat minorities. It is funny to see how westerners just follow the former slave owners (like "his holiness") who suddenly became peace lovers, w/o seeing things first hand. - inactive, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12the best we can hope for now is that the chinese use this chance to protest and get media attention
there cant be another tiananmen massacre with the whole world at their doorstep
although this incident here got too damn close - SquigglyP, on 03/16/2008, -3/+15"We showed the world if you kill Americans, someone is going to pay. Is Saddam had only known that he may still be a dictator for you to continue to support, que sera."
The only problem with that is that Saddam wasn't killing Americans. A few individuals killed some Americans. Al Qaida killed Americans, but then they didn't really even exist. They were fabricated so we could convict Bin laden without him being in court after the first World Trade Center bombing. So because several people in some looney cult, that may or may not have even existed, flew planes into a few buildings, we - America, and by way of that you and I - have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Iraq had nothing to do with it, and never did. ALL of our dealings with Iraq have been incredibly stupid and potentially illegal. This includes setting up Saddam in the first place, Desert Storm, which was yet another fabricated excuse to goto war with a country to give us an excuse to get bases and military presence in the area, then the 2003 invasion which was just complete fabrication of information, and now we continue to kill hundreds of people in Iraq on a weekly basis, for no real apparent reason aside from 'stabilization', but what exactly that means is beyond me. They have leadership, they have a police force. They HAD a military until we dismantled it - creating these so-called terrorists that now attack our troops there. We have literally done nothing but ***** up the Middle East, all in the name of driving up oil prices so a select few people - the people running the country who have interest in driving the price of oil as high as it can go - can get filthy rich and powerful.
We are unpopular. The rest of the world DOES hate us. To think that we are somehow above their critisism is a flaw that, alas, is inherant in this country. People here seem to believe that because we have a strong military presence everywhere that we somehow run the world and get to call the shots. Sorry to burst your bubble, but people who believe that to be the case are hypocrites. You can't demand your own human rights be protected and then at the same time refuse those same basic rights to others. Obviously the laws don't apply to the rest of the world, but the part where it's written that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights" doesn't just apply to US citizens. Sure, it's not a document with any legal weight, but morally I don't think it's right that one can hold that document in such high regard while completely disregarding the words written there. - brad3378, on 03/16/2008, -0/+12How did China manage to win the privileged of hosting the 2008 Olympics anyway?
NPR radio mentioned the other day that athletes are practicing in China to become accustomed to the air pollution and getting sick in the process. - sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+11No, the Chinese govt has now declared a "People's War" to control TIbet:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080316/ts_nm/china_ti ...
That means there may not be any Tibetan protesters left to protest during the Olympics. - webefools, on 03/16/2008, -2/+13boycott!
- thebellmaster1x, on 03/16/2008, -1/+12Communism, in theory, was...ehhh, maybe not. Communism, in practice, has been awful. Communism, ESPECIALLY in China, has been complete *****.
Who, exactly, has been saying that communism is impenetrable to crappiness? - inactive, on 03/16/2008, -1/+11Sometimes you have to suffer to improve things.
- inactive, on 03/16/2008, -5/+15And yet just the other day we had all those ***** talking about how the US was just as bad as China. Idiots.
We do need to take a stand economically against them though. - Azerael, on 03/16/2008, -0/+10The people in a position to improve things aren't the ones affected.
- roadtripguy, on 03/16/2008, -3/+12I certainly hope that right in the middle of the Olympics the Tibetans rise up and take to the streets and back the Chinese Government into a corner. Rise up on a level that they would never tolerate under any circumstances and MAKE them attack their own citizenry while the whole world watches.
- LogitechG15, on 03/16/2008, -4/+12As an American, China scares me :(
- JerodSlay, on 03/16/2008, -7/+14Boycott the Genocide Olympics
China supports Sudan's backing of the genocide in Darfur.
Now this.
Boycott, and tell others. Most people don't know. - inactive, on 03/16/2008, -5/+12Welcome to the real world kids, what nhand speaks is what was, and what is. Open your eyes. This is not as one sided as the western media wants you to believe.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -1/+8peaceful protests? did you read the article, they were burning buildings down
- morningmatters, on 03/16/2008, -1/+8Did you read the article? The protest is hardly peaceful, and most Americans don't care about world politics.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -0/+7EU helps China to Crush Tibetans:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml= ... - idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -2/+9Disgraceful, this is the country where the olympic will be held. One of the condition for the olympics was that China will improve its human rights record and that has not happened. I say not only boycott the olympic but try and not buy anything that is made in China.
- SpenceMasta, on 03/16/2008, -2/+9a lot of ppl in the comments seem to have a vision in their head of peaceful protesting with signs and walking back and forth and then being shot by cops, when after reading the article it states people where burning buildings down and getting violent after the crowd control tear gas
- inactive, on 03/16/2008, -5/+12"This DOES NOT justify the Chinese to KILL 100 PROTESTERS."
The 100 protestors who were burning down buildings and managed to kill 10 innocent Han Chinese people before the army even stepped in? Are those the protestors you're talking about? Are you talking about the murdering violent protestors who were killing innocent people by burning them alive inside their buildings. The violent murdering protestors who were subsequently stopped by the armed forces? Are THOSE the protestors you're talking about?
"That's like saying every Iraqi is a mass murder, when only a few was a part of it."
A part of what? What "mass murder" event are you talking about that involved Iraqis? Is this a mass murder event on Iraqi soil - you know, where they're defending their land against the illegal invasion by American forces - or are you referring to a different mass murder event? - wonderchemist, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7Well to be fair, we probably have a few hundred aimed back at them...
- neio, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6How about boycotting American company's who manufacture goods in China?
Apple, HP, Cisco, ect, ect. - webefools, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6不要脸的东西
- webefools, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7who's going to do the olympics this year? it's going to be nbc and that midget bobo costas again? that's enough me for to boycott the olympics...
- soil, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7@ moolaismyfriend
You make some great observations, until you correlate religion with cowardice. Some of the most courageous stands have been taken by religious folk.
So how about this, we promote the boycott, WITHOUT the unnecessary and unfounded slam on religion. - nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+6i hope you'll be causualty
- idontlikeyou2, on 03/16/2008, -1/+7This is the difference between breast fed and propganda fed. Natural is better
- hmunkey, on 03/16/2008, -7/+13Wasn't there a RP article earlier today about how USA's human rights record is worse than China's? I disagreed and got dugg down them. Let's see what people have to say now.
In all honesty, sure, the USA has tortured some and committed some atrocious acts, but there has never been suppression, Tianamen Square events, and so on. Not to mention there hasn't been any of this is a society with mixed ethnicities and religions. China can't handle a slightly different race and one religion. Imagine if they had our population. - nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5troll
- morningmatters, on 03/16/2008, -3/+8From the death numbers reported by both sides, my guess is that 10 ethnic Han Chinese were burnt alive and maybe 50 ethnic Tibetans were killed by the police. The Chinese government's propaganda is typical as always, something about evil separatists blah blah. It's interesting that Dalai Lama is only pleading for the lives of the monks and not for the lives of the Han Chinese business owners who had nothing to do with the Chinese policy towards ethnic Tibetans. Ultimately there is not much a government can do in the case of a violent riot other than to send in the military and lock down the city. Unless the Chinese police start to shoot hundreds of monks in front of the camera there is not a lot of new materials for the West to criticize.
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5Yea Germany got a history too (no country have a perfect history), you might want to look that up. So in your logic all Germans are all ***** for something they did 65 years ago and if they were oppressed by the Chinese today, it would be fine. Your logic is flawless.
The point is that not all the people in Tibet is the same, and that people do change over time. (unless Germany is still killing Jews behind our back) - ib42, on 03/16/2008, -3/+8Why brainwashed? A whole lot more righteous indignation is what the world needs. I'm with the poster. It is absolute madness to have ANY ties with China, yet we have sold out to the quick buck syndrome. Truly completely sickening.
- nationalist, on 03/16/2008, -0/+5"tibetan want dependence"
i like your grammars...and loves the fallacys - ShrimpCrackers, on 03/16/2008, -1/+6Hong Kong was developed by the UK for nearly 100 years before it was returned to China about 10 years ago. Is that seriously your best example? Why not compare it with Guangzhou where you get like 6 sunny days a year, the rest covered in pollution?
- masupra, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5Well from what I read, it's more like a race riot, innocent bystanders got burnt. Does this look like a sacred war to independence? Not to me.
- sanman, on 03/16/2008, -2/+6ur nick describes u well
Dalai Lama is still calling for peaceful non-violence, even when his people are being shot in the streets, and having their homes ransacked.
But you're still bad-mouthing him like the sick puppet you are.
Your comments say more about you than about the subject you're commenting upon. - tim04, on 03/16/2008, -0/+4and WHERE does it say that Chinese troops lined up these 100 protesters and shot them? It sounds more like they're just deaths that have resulted from VIOLENT PROTESTS (I thought everyone said monks were super peaceful, clearly not). Some were probably killed by troops, some by protesters, and others from the rioting. They weren't exactly planned out murders, and you can't exactly expect the police to prevent all of deaths in a violent riot when they're not actually doing the killing directly.
- oldbull, on 03/16/2008, -1/+5It's interesting to compare many diggers with the so called "angry youth" in China. Both groups like to jump to the conclusion and criticizing without even knowing what they are talking about, or at least figure out what the article says. The difference is that diggers wants to blame everything to China, while Chinese "angry youth" wants to blame everything to US. Some diggers say they are better informed than ppl in China. Maybe. But if you just read what you like to read, you are no better than the Chinese, who you think are very poor informed.
Conclusion: read both side's story, then make your conclusion, please! -
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