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- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -6/+95you know how young Gen X Chinese kids doesn't know much about Tiananmen square due to China's censorship? well I bet most Americans don't know about how in the past U.S. corporations tried to commit a coup and kill Franklin Roosevelt, or how the US massacred a million philipinos, or how the U.S. sends economic hitmen under corporate disguise to threaten and kill resource rich nation's leaders if they don't whore out their countries for the US multi-corporations.
so even in a "free" society, there is MUCH censorship of history and ignorance among the masses.
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((') (') - Neolite, on 06/06/2009, -3/+82Tank Man. Forever will he be remembered as one of the most iconic symbols of freedom of the 20th century.
- lazycat, on 06/06/2009, -8/+58Now Chinese got flashy cars and online gaming as substitute for freedom.. just like American consumers.
- XeN0cidE, on 06/06/2009, -0/+49I love Boston's big pictures so much.
- PoliticalMan922, on 06/05/2009, -1/+35Seeing the picture of that guy with the white shirt...Amazing.
- redrabbit, on 06/06/2009, -1/+30Don't forget the military's response to some college protests in the 1960s in the US.
- jlian, on 06/06/2009, -2/+26For some reason I prefer the grainy look of the 1989 photos.
- sanskrtam, on 06/06/2009, -1/+21Or how the American government approved the anti-democratic dictatorship of Park Chung Hee in South Korea decades ago. How the CIA illegally bribed the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party for decades.
- Feener, on 06/06/2009, -0/+20This coming from the same guy who called Hitler his idol.
- ta10n, on 06/06/2009, -1/+20Watch this and learn something: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/vi ...
I'll even digg you up, so this doesn't get buried. So many of this generation, just doesn't know. - BugMeNot2, on 06/06/2009, -2/+19Heh, China has already blocked Bing.
- bouche, on 06/06/2009, -2/+16Fantastic collection of historical photographs. On a tech front, the latter photos show how much digital photography has added to the quality of the medium over 20 years.
- raza7370, on 06/05/2009, -2/+16Remembering Tiananmen, 20 years laterA man holds a candle as tens of thousands of people attend a candlelight vigil at Hong Kong's Victoria park Thursday
- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -0/+13People murdered by their government. A very common and tragic story in the history of mankind.
- ABadPerson, on 06/06/2009, -1/+14To answer your question, not enough; and in responds to your statement, calling the Tienanmen Square Massacre "propaganda" is far from being honest as there is a mountain of evidence of this historic tragedy committed by the Chinese government.
- redrabbit, on 06/06/2009, -1/+14You know, as much as I think the government's response to the pro-democracy movements were terrible, do you think that sudden democracy in a country of 1.3 billion would have been healthy? Look at what happened in Russia when that happened in the early 90's. After the Communist Government fell, corrupt businessmen (oligopists) and the mafia essentially began running the country. Is Russia better off today than China? I'm not against democracy in China, but is sudden revolution the healthiest way to get it? Just some food for thought. Either way, having the military shoot its own people was barbaric (though, to be fair, similar situations happened in the U.S. in the 1960s.)
- redrabbit, on 06/06/2009, -0/+12It's a bit more complicated than that. I wouldn't lump all Chinese people into one category like that. Plus, it's so easy for us to criticise how they view an event from the comforts of our laptops or HD TV's in our middle-class suburban houses. These people, for the first time in decades, have enough to eat for a change, or are begining to be able to afford cars or their own flats. Sure, a lot is still censored, but they can read or watch more content than ever before. Can you really blame them? It's sort of an unspoken contract between the people and their government. Keep economic growth going, and we won't be too critical of your past policies. Is it right? Maybe not, but who are we to assert our views on them? We have so many ***** up things going on here in our own country.
Try not to think about the Chinese people's situation from the perspective of a white, suburban kid listening to Rage Against the Machine. - echan, on 06/06/2009, -1/+12150,000 is the reported number of people
- YorickBrown, on 06/06/2009, -2/+13These pictures are seriously 20 years old? I know that's not that long of a time, but more pictures I didn't think they'd look that good.
Oh and, as is always said, boston.com gallerys are the best. - asiarock, on 06/06/2009, -1/+11Yes, I was there in Victoria Park and there were 150,000, it was a crowd of people as far as the eye could see. Very moving. Hong Kong will not let China forget!
- xShad0w, on 06/06/2009, -3/+12Were you going for a Chinese sounding sentence with this, "Now Chinese got ...", I read that with a Chinese accent in my head.
- FyberOptic, on 06/06/2009, -1/+8And yet we continue to buy cheap Chinese-made ***** made in sweat shops, and take loans of trillions of dollars from these people, who still refuse to acknowledge such atrocities. And yet, we jump all over Iran's case for denying the holocaust.
We're just enabling them to keep doing the terrible stuff they do. One day, it's gonna turn around and bite us back. - inactive, on 06/06/2009, -0/+7I'm getting me some of those yellow headsets
- UbIwerks, on 06/06/2009, -0/+6I know, right!?! We totally need more room on the front page for iPhone rumors!!!!
/s - inactive, on 06/06/2009, -3/+9She is also an oppressor of freedom.
- StanleyKoolPrik, on 06/06/2009, -4/+10We'll see another Tianenman, when the hundreds of millions Chinese factory workers get sick of being treated like cattle and earning a dollar a day.
- xinye, on 06/06/2009, -0/+6In many Chinese villages there have been some experimental elections going on for a while. There's always news about bribes, threats against voters, murders, violent attacks and all sorts of ugly things. I have come to the conclusion that basic well beings, free press, good law enforcement and high penetration of education should come first. Only when you have a good enough foundation can elections actually work.
- thrashbat, on 06/06/2009, -4/+10wow very moving i never thought that timanene sare was luch a large massacre really just thought it was about the guy with the shopping bag on front of the tank.
- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -0/+520 years? ***** I'm old.
- Tichondrius74, on 06/06/2009, -1/+6You probably admire serial killers for their ability to kill people.
- Tigerotor77W, on 06/06/2009, -0/+5Indeed. Funny how no one seems to remember the Kent State debacle of May 4, 1970.
- brownsound00, on 06/06/2009, -0/+5Un ***** believable. Get a heart
- flaminglips, on 06/06/2009, -2/+7You call it propaganda. I call it a reminder of how people oppress one another and how some people, against all odds, are willing to stand up against that oppression.
I've seen that picture of the man in front of the tank about a thousand times yet it never seizes to amaze me. Somehow I doubt you would ever do anything half as courageous as that. - Tarnum, on 06/06/2009, -0/+4What is Bing?
- iDoraemon, on 06/06/2009, -6/+10The thing that angers me the most about the aftermath of the Tiananmen massacre is Chinese people today justifying it as merely an "incident" towards the recent economic progress that China has experienced.
Really? Gunning down and tank rolling practically unarmed student demonstrators with the ferocity of rural-based, indoctrinated shock troopers justifies economic progress? Chinese people on the internet who still believe that the Tiananment massacre can ever be justified can just go to hell. - ryanonfire, on 06/06/2009, -0/+4Park was crazy even after an assassination attempt that failed to kill him but killed his wife, he still continued delivering a speech :S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w8tXRHMV7Q
- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -4/+8they perhaps were peaceful until the army moved in and started shooting people?
- Gravesy1, on 06/06/2009, -1/+5Piss off.
- offthewagon, on 06/06/2009, -2/+6He's turning a story about China into one about how big and bad the American government is. It's agenda driven extremism. In fact, reading it again, it isn't about equating Chinese censorship to American Censorship. It is implying that American Censorship is worse, which would be laughable if I didn't think he was serious.
The quotes around "free" in free society are what really make it sing. How can someone be that cynical to the point where they dismiss all rational thought? Check this out.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930918.html
America rules! WOO!
P.S Of the 29+ people who have dugg him up so far, how many have knew of his nutty offerings, or were just happy about a comment that ***** on the government? Why do you people hate it so much? Because the man has the power? Because we have to pay taxes? Because we have to follow laws? Someone has to be in charge, compadres, and you couldn't do it yourselves. Yeah, that's right. You are your six-shooter won't mean ***** to a gang of 10 guys and their uzis. A life without laws and leaders isn't man against man. It's man against men. of course, people would band together to protect themselves. They'd build forts. Then fortified cities. Then they'd expand their boundaries and recruit soldiers. Then, they'd elect a leader to organize things. Then, we'd be back where we started. The Big Bad Government. Only millions would have died along the way. - sanskrtam, on 06/06/2009, -0/+4By your logic, the Chinese government would be collapsed right after Deng Xiaoping hold power, 8-10 rogue war generals and bureaucrats would be occupying many parts of China in the 1980s.
- offthewagon, on 06/06/2009, -7/+10Freakin' wackos. No idea what censorship is.
If we had censorship, how would you know about these nutty things? And why isn't big brother sweeping in to erase what you wrote? You have no idea how much worse it is in China. Its insulting to Chinese people that you would equate the two countries in terms of freedom.
In China they not only censor you, they make you buy cigarettes to help the economy.
Also, why is it that people who complain about ignorance only care about political ignorance. Granted, it's important to be aware of what's going on in your country, but I'd be more pissed that the quality of general education is dipping. It's the kind that is actually important. Like reading and writing. Math. Tell me that not enough people know how to do long division and I'd be all ears. - dkaksl, on 06/06/2009, -1/+4It's always as surprising to find out how long ago something happened. It even works for films and their release dates.
Now there's an entire generation of people younger than me.
A Wii Generation. - inactive, on 06/06/2009, -4/+7What? American consumers didn't substitute any of that for freedom.
What pains me about this country (and I love the United States) is that we take those freedoms for granted, when thousands of students were willing to give their lives for something they'd never had, nor even really experienced. We have it, and yet there are still many people who don't know what it means to be free. - lindsayl284, on 06/06/2009, -1/+3That new angle of Tank Man in photo 14 is absolutely amazing.
Even moreso, given the three other dudes who are running away from the tanks as he stands there and waits as they roll towards him. - FadieZ, on 06/06/2009, -1/+3It's amazing (and sad) how the people of China were able to carry on being run by the same government that brutally massacred their families. What happened to the revolution the world was talking about?
- redrabbit, on 06/06/2009, -0/+2"I just wonder how many of those people wanting "economic growth" supported the Communists during the civil war."
Huh? Which civil war? The one where the Communists took over in 1949? Probably not many, since that was 60 years ago.
Many of the people who are adults now in China and care about economic growth were kids or college students during the 1970s, when the Cultural Revolution was going on. Imagine a time when you could be forced to eat feces and urine for not praising Mao, where some families had to resort to cannibalism to survive, where there was pretty much nothing to eat, no one trusted each other, and there were no opportunities to do anything about it. And for the first time, they have an opportunity to send their kids to college, or to study overseas, or to start their own companies. Again, can you blame them for wanting economic growth? - rpgmakr, on 06/06/2009, -2/+3And to think that most of the survivors are still alive to see what their nation has become in terms of personal freedom.
- dralezero, on 06/06/2009, -0/+1I like how the bus is still there in the picture 20 years later.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -0/+1No you won't.
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