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- DariusMonsef, on 10/11/2007, -52/+313I'm not a conspiracy theorist, just curious... how does a plane vaporize?
- vvargoal, on 10/11/2007, -76/+316Heh, all you stupid sheep, believing the media.
It was cheney, he had a missile launcher. He shot the plane down, then fired another at the pentagon. Meanwhile, bush was sitting in new york and pushed the plunger that blew up the world trade center. And it was all for the oil. - econoar, on 10/11/2007, -63/+285This footage was never seen again because the news crew was looking in the wrong area and this isn't even the direct crash site. I've read the story before. They pulled it because they didn't want to look foolish, that is all. Nothing "vaporized".
- ViRaZ, on 10/11/2007, -11/+174@ dukeeeey
Funny how the two people behind Rumsfeld both look to their left as if to ask someone else "What the f*ck did he just say?" - mattxb, on 10/11/2007, -18/+109Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Flight 93,,,,,,all our great tales of war on terror heroism are sketchy as *****
- dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -79/+157Rumsfeld said it got shot down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0
Judging by the video in the topic .. what Rumsfeld says makes sense.
So much for the 'official' 911 story. - just1guy, on 10/11/2007, -18/+96USAir Flight 427 crashed outside of Pittsburgh in '94. Same result as Flight 93, nothing left. It does happen given enough force (speed) and fuel.
Pic: http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/427-585/usair427.jpg - apachedisco, on 10/11/2007, -14/+86I live in East Greenville, PA. According to the lore here it was shot down. I can't prove it, but it's the hearsay from the local fire/police who were on radios and scanners.
- bs0l, on 10/11/2007, -9/+69Direct youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc
- Detritus, on 10/11/2007, -28/+88I think everyone needs to take a deep breath, this is an emotional issue for every American. Let's throw all the theories and official reports out for a second and consider a few facts:
1) Bush really is running the show. There is no secret cabal. I thought this too for the longest time, or that Cheney is pulling the strings, (hell I voted for him the first time assuming Cheney would keep him out of trouble) but as more and more people are ***** canned from the administration the truth has gotten out: This coke-fiend really is the leader of the free world.
2) Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch were not the heroes they were made out to be. This administration does have a pronounced and documented history of lieing to us.
3) Bush can't cope with simple math. If you have 2 apples, and you put 1 apple in Afghanistan... you cannot make lemonade! Have you ever met someone who had a serious coke problem? That ***** fries your brain forever. He didn't have the means to invade Iraq or a solid strategy for a sustained victory, he had ***** Jesus Christ telling him to do it! The same amount of forethought can be expected in all of his behavior, so trying to ascribe some grand scheme to this guy is just not fair.
4) Bill Kristol and the "Project for a New American Century" (the neo-con manifesto) felt that the best thing that could possibly happen to America would be another Pearl Harbor because the retaliation would revitalize the lagging military industrial complex.
Now come to your own conclusions. Don't just blindly buy into the official story, but don't listen to nutjob blogs either. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -39/+97I'm no expert, but usually when planes crash they know they're going down and dump all their fuel... These guys crashed it into the ground with a full tank, at full speed. Could be why there's little debris.
- yonman14, on 10/11/2007, -3/+55Survivors?
- Andareed, on 10/11/2007, -14/+64It wouldn't be good policy to admit that the US government had shot down a civilian plane over US soil. It's also much more pleasant for families and people in general to think that those aboard the flight were heroes by forcing the plane down.
- CanceledCzech, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54High levels of terrorism caused one of the wings to de-materialize.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -21/+67Question:
Very few people deny that Flight 11 and Flight 175 were hijacked and then flown into the WTC buildings. So, if the government was capable and willing to hijack planes and use them to kill people, why in the world would they fake Flight 93's hijacking, instead of just hijacking it in the same way 11 and 175 were? Think about it. All of this "truther" evidence may look convincing at first glance, but when you think harder about it, it quite often becomes ludicrous. - superal1394, on 10/11/2007, -26/+67Ever seen the carcass of a Porchea after it flew off a road at 140 miles an hour? That happened near where I live, two kids died in the crash, their bodies were disintigrated. They had to dig to find teeth. There was no car left.
Multiply the speed by 5, the weight by 1000, and the fuel by 1000000
Tell me if there should be any remains left. I am amazed anything recognizable could even survive. - ThePeteStanis, on 10/11/2007, -7/+47Holy *****! My eyes are opened! The missing piece. Thanks Stealth.
- Zique, on 10/11/2007, -3/+39"When Der Spiegel confronts Stull with the English translation of these passages in the book and the film script, the man is speechless: "My statements were taken completely out of context. Of course there was an airplane. It's just that there wasn't much left of it after the explosion. That's what I meant when I said 'no airplane'. I saw parts of the wreckage with my own eyes, even one of the engines. It was lying in the bushes."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-5,00.html - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -5/+41Hole in the logic: if the plane was shot down and vaporized to such an extent that there were only tiny pieces left, what caused the massive drag marks and crater? And no, it wasn't another missile. Missiles create deep, circular craters, not elongated, shallow ones.
- weeeezzll, on 10/11/2007, -24/+60Yea...and a 10x20 foot hole made by a 747 airplane...lol
- Krumley, on 10/11/2007, -5/+41Take a look at wreckage from Flight 427, a 737 that experienced a rudder failure and went nearly straight down:
http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/zulu1.html
I can't speak to the cause of Flight 93's demise either way, but it looks sort of similar- Flight 427 seems to have sort of exploded on impact; I remember the TV news coverage, and didn't see a crater, but lots of spread out wreckage. - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -5/+40@WhiteIce89
All evidence from calls out of Flight 93 point towards the plane going down very shortly after the passengers stormed the cockpit. If the passengers had retaken the plane, there is no way the government would have been able to be alerted of the successful retaking and get a jet/SAM to shoot it down in such a short amount of time. In response to the inevitable speculation that the government had a jet following Flight 93 the whole time, both the plane and many radar stations on the ground would have noticed that jet, and you can bet that people would report a military jet following a airliner. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+48We HAVE heard about this. Lots of stuff to explain it. The wackos just like to ignore that, and the sheep like you just blindly accept it.
The fact remains that this is 100/% consistent with a place than crashes full speed in a vertical dive. It does not happen very often, but when it oes, there is very little left. - EridanMan, on 10/11/2007, -52/+84Dude... Conspiracy is like any other form of religion. The people who believe in it do so not because it is logical, but because believing in it makes them feel 'special' and 'powerful' in some way...
Like any highly-manipulative faith-based topic, of course people are going to find reason (whether it be for personal or political gain) to manipulate the mass of lemmings to 'believe it', and to re-enforce their fantasy... - revenge7, on 10/11/2007, -9/+41Maybe they went through a hole in space-time and got eaten by Tommyknockers.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -51/+80I'm a conspiracy theorist and I'm proud of it.
To investigate all evidence is scientific, to question is patriotic, but to be assimilated by conspiring men with monetary and political agendas is asinine. - themastersb, on 10/11/2007, -12/+41The real flight 93 was flown to a secret scientific compound on an island in the middle of the Pacific where the survivors we're used in an experiment.
- smoothmedia, on 10/11/2007, -14/+41The plane slammed directly into the ground in a nosedive, we shouldn't expect to see much left of it.
- JrGhoull, on 10/11/2007, -5/+29i thought the official story was that all three planes were completely loaded with fuel which is why the 2 planes took out the towers so effectively and why flight 93 blew up into a million pieces after hitting the ground.
- siszam, on 10/11/2007, -14/+38Seeking the truth is not a conspiracy theory. Only the people who are dumb followers or have something to hide think it is.
- MrFlesh, on 10/11/2007, -19/+40I lived in greensburg it's about 45 minutes west of somerset. The day of 9/11 we drove up to the crash site to see some carnage with in an hour of it happening. Didn't get to see anything cause we were order to turn around. Everyone up in that town said it was shot down that day. Debris doesn't spread over a three mile area when there is a plane crash. The only time depris is spread out is when it comes apart in the air. What would make flight 93 come apart in the air?
- mrASSMAN, on 10/11/2007, -5/+26that still wouldn't explain the crater and minuscule debris.. according to the only person who captured a photograph at the moment it happened (civilian living close by) there was a large explosion like a bomb and she didn't even see or hear an airplane, only a large fireball.
Just putting it out there.. I'm not sure what I personally believe.. there's no solid evidence to lead to any conclusion at all, I don't think we will ever know. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25Don't you think that an airplane weighing nearly 250,000 pounds going straight in to the ground at over 500 mph might make such a crater?
- tjmasco, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25there should be very little left in a crash like this one. If the plane crashed going horizontally then there would be tons of debri but if it crashes going vertically then nothing is left.
I have an example of a perpendicular crash that proves that nothing would be left
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qR0f8n10DR4 - DrDabbles, on 10/11/2007, -19/+37@Detritus
Thank GOD someone else is saying this. Does anybody really think these people are _smart_ enough to pull this off? Even if you excuse the fact that people can't keep secrets, you still need at least ONE person smart enough to dupe everybody.
What's more, I watched the whole thing live. There was debris. You can say there wasn't, and that's okay...but you're still wrong and you're still an idiot. The footage taken from Loose Change is actually from weeks later when the NTSB/FBI had already been on scene 24 hours a day.
In all, I must say that I don't care one way or another about conspiracy theories. I will, however, say that when the theorists get in my face about something and just won't let it go when I ask that the subject be changed...that's unacceptable. At that point, you've crossed the line of being a zealot and I don't need to acknowledge you anymore. - PIlotJLR, on 10/11/2007, -11/+29I am a professional pilot. I can assure you we do not "dump out fuel" once we know we're "going down." This isn't a Die Hard movie, folks.
The reality is a 757/767 cannot dump fuel. Except for heavies, most modern planes are not capable of dumping fuel, though this was common 20+ years ago.
Sorry, there's no conspiracy. - MrEguy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24@ EridanMan: Let's get this straight, okay? The government's explanation for what happened on 9/11 is BY DEFINITION a "conspiracy theory":
Nineteen religious fanatics who could barely fly single-engine Cessnas, lead by a cave-dwelling Muslim on kidney dialysis, commandeer commercial jumbo-jets with box-cutters and fly them into US targets with pin-point accuracy while the entire US military stands-down for over an hour. Three concrete and steel buildings are pulverized and melted, crumbling into their own footprints at nearly free-fall speed, defying the laws of physics. - WanderLink, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25@Eridanman
So by your logic. If I were to set up a conspiracy and anyone tryed to call me out on it, they're just crazy simply BECAUSE it's a conspiracy they're tying to shed light on...even if it's true. You're an idiot. Conspiracies are everywhere in history. Watergate was a conspiracy. All the Mafias of the world are conspiratorial organizations. Operation Northwoods had the U.S. military planning attacks on it's own citizens to trick people into supporting a war against Cuba. Scientology bought it's way into government acceptance as a "religion". Conspiracies DO exist. To brush them off simply because they ARE conspiracies is insanely ignorant. Dissent is a good thing dumbass. And just because you can't see something doesn't make it false. - synaesthesia, on 10/11/2007, -10/+27Thats what sickens me. Terrorists crashing planes into buildings is one thing, I expect atrocities from terrorists. Our own government fabricating dodgy fairy tales to improve the morale of the American People on the other hand, thats not kosher. I dont buy a single 9/11 conspiracy theory, but the idea that Flight 93 was shot down seems less of a 'theory' and more of an unproven hypothesis.
- SeaMowse, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20I remember seeing on one of the many, many shows about 9/11, that a man did witness a plane flying very low and very fast in the vicinity. Also, the indentation made left by the impact of this plane looks to me to be that of a plane. I've even seen on one of the 9/11 specials - a superimposed image of a plane - the same size as Flight 93. The image fit perfectly to the impression left by the crash of Flight 93. The jet fuel is what caused the fact that there was almost nothing left of the plane or the survivors.
- MrEguy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18@ MrFlesh: Many of your neighbors in Pennsylvania agree with you.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
Eyewitness Reports at Odds With Official Scenario
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By Christopher Bollyn
INDIAN LAKE, Pennsylvania—Eyewitness testimonies have generally been excluded from the official version of 9-11. In the Shanksville area, where many residents believe Flight 93 was shot down, there are scores of eyewitnesses whose testimonies contradict the government’s claim that courageous passengers fought hijackers, forcing the jetliner to crash rather than be flown into a building.
Some local residents here are deeply offended by the official explanation of what supposedly happened to United Airlines Flight 93, calling it a patriotic pack of lies.
Fearful of retribution from federal agents, many eyewitnesses who spoke with American Free Press asked that their names not be published.
While differing on some details of the plane said to be Flight 93, which passed over Lambertsville, eyewitnesses agree that unexplained military aircraft were in the immediate vicinity when a huge explosive “fireball” occurred at the reclaimed coal mine near Shanksville." - Tremblor, on 10/11/2007, -12/+25I've said it before: Conspiracy theorists are just as dumb as the people they rail against. "You sheep! you believe anything the MAN tells you!" yea, and you nitwit believe anything some 12yr old put on on his blog. I also love how they discount any evidence that goes against their theory, but you dare question the one frame of too-blurry-to-make-out-anything-other-than-a-gray-blob footage they wave around as "proof" and you're an idiot.
Rolling Stone did a great mock of these folks;
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies/2
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I also see "predictably the video has been pulled"
yea, or Digg crashed the server. Oh wait, that has never happened ever, it must be the government. Ouch. - jonathantneal, on 10/11/2007, -10/+23Tommyknockers? That's just ridiculous. It's more like Donny Darko. :P
- AlphaEta, on 10/11/2007, -13/+25I think Jesus miracled it away!
- ATHEISTinHELL, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16When most planes crash the pilots try to slow it down we all know the people flying that planes on that day weren't doing that.
- jll3sonex, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20Dammit! How DARE you introduce truth into this!
- stevefl209, on 10/11/2007, -7/+19You're some airplane accident investigator are you? Look up the crash of flight 585 (a Boeing 737) in Colorado Springs in 1991. The crash site was similar in that you'd never have guessed an airliner just crashed there. There was little debris on the surface. Why? The thing nosedived into the ground, and with that much kinetic energy, disintegrated and buried itself. The site was surrounded by houses; no major fires. I remember all this from the news when it happened. It's not surprising to me in the least that an airliner can plummet into the ground in such a way that you'd see a very sparse crash site. That's exactly what happened in Colorado Springs.
"There was no damage to structures on the ground. Trees adjacent to the impact crater were damaged by flying debris and soot, and nearby patches of grass north and northeast of the crater were scorched. The size of the impact crater measured approximately 39 feet by 24 feet and was about 15 feet deep."
That's from the NTSB crash investigation report...not some armchair crash expert speculation.
http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/427-585.html
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2001/AAR0101.pdf - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15No it hasn't. How would you expect to get away with that lie?
- insomn3ak, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13@econoar (#6896586) said: "This footage was never seen again because the news crew was looking in the wrong area and this isn't even the direct crash site. I've read the story before. They pulled it because they didn't want to look foolish, that is all. Nothing "vaporized"."
Then it doesn't make much sense as to why they already had statements from investigators (of which, there were apparently "hundreds of them out there") who found nothing larger than a phone book. If the news crew was looking in the wrong area...were the hundreds of investigators looking in the wrong area too?? It doesn't add up.
Of all the video that I've seen of the crash site, the only thing I've ever seen is the big hole in the ground with lots little pieces of paper flying around. Come to think of it...I've never seen anything on fire in the flight 93 videos! That's very odd in my opinion... - snipes, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15This 'crater' was about the size of an industrial dumpster.
So, that plane didn't make that crater. Maybe an engine from it, but nothing bigger. -
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