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- SJAlbrecht, on 01/11/2008, -19/+199" By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said. The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane."
2014 is right around the corner.
So, you mean Ron Paul is RIGHT? Hmmmm.....- demicritter, on 01/11/2008, -3/+74Paul is right about many things, but these moves by the government and plain as day! Consider that the border is being breached daily by god only knows who! Yet, we're being subjected to increased scrutiny while the thieves are ignored? We're the source of funds/cash and resources the government and banks taps into to amass their power and wealth. It's that simple. The illegals are merely a distraction while we're being patted down and cuffed...figuratively speaking.
- toxicshok, on 01/11/2008, -8/+11But illegals are still that... illegal.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -5/+12And they should be treated as such, and shipped back to their home country the moment we find them.
I have zero problem with LEGAL immigrants. But illegals should be treated as just that. ILLEGAL.
We don't have a documentation problem, we have an enforcement problem. - atheinostic, on 01/12/2008, -4/+2There is no such thing as an illegal person.
- bjornski, on 01/13/2008, -0/+4That's right.
It's perfectly legal to be a person. In your own country.
Come here legally, or be treated as a criminal.
- bjornski, on 01/13/2008, -0/+4That's right.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -5/+12And they should be treated as such, and shipped back to their home country the moment we find them.
- hiikeeba, on 01/11/2008, -8/+36I hate to tell you this. The border fence isn't to keep the illegals out. It's to keep us in.
- tastycheese, on 01/12/2008, -8/+6Really? Try walking into Mexico and see who stops you. Better yet, have a look over the fence and see how many cars are lined up.
- hiikeeba, on 01/12/2008, -1/+14Someday, tastycheese, we will have to make a decision whether or not we want to live in a police state. A fence on the border will prevent a lot of people from leaving. Almost 10% of the legal citizens of Austin, Texas have warrants out for their arrest. Most of them are traffic "crimes". In El Paso, 11% of the legal citizens have warrants for their arrest. Our local governments are investing millions of dollars in red light cameras and speed cameras to create a steady stream of revenue.
A fence work both ways. It keeps dogs out of my yard, and my dogs in.
- hiikeeba, on 01/12/2008, -1/+14Someday, tastycheese, we will have to make a decision whether or not we want to live in a police state. A fence on the border will prevent a lot of people from leaving. Almost 10% of the legal citizens of Austin, Texas have warrants out for their arrest. Most of them are traffic "crimes". In El Paso, 11% of the legal citizens have warrants for their arrest. Our local governments are investing millions of dollars in red light cameras and speed cameras to create a steady stream of revenue.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -3/+8That's what the $600 passports are for too. To keep certain people from traveling or leaving.
- Xinareiaz, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3600? it looks like its more like $100 to me
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1On Showtime's Penn and Teller B.S. TV show,
they built a section of fence, it took all day to build.
Then,
they had 3 teams defeat the fence in under 6 minutes,
1 team went over the fence, one team cut right through the fence, and one team dug under the fence.
Multi-million dollar fence vs. $3 Walmart Tin-snips ?
Tin-Snips for the WIN!
A fence is useless,
If you want more 'Legal immagrants' - make it easier to become a guest worker:
1 page and a $20 processing fee - the point being: Tracking of people vs. unknown elements.
The guest worker pass would be good for 1 year, and cost $20 to renew each time - with some sort of proven address to mail the pass to...
Adapt the laws to make it easy to get into the system,
and increase the harsh penalties for not simply filling out a 1 page form and paying $20.
That sure is better than people risking their lives to try to find work...
Hard workers are always welcome in the USA.
Law breaking criminals, not-so-much...
- tastycheese, on 01/12/2008, -8/+6Really? Try walking into Mexico and see who stops you. Better yet, have a look over the fence and see how many cars are lined up.
- LeeSoong, on 01/12/2008, -6/+18The National Security GPS Chip is for your protection, Citizen.
It's implantation into the base of your skull is so you can not misplace it. You'll never get lost, and the government can find you anywhere.
And don't worry about the explosive 'anti-tamper' device implanted with your NSC. Since the chip carries your unique identity, bank accounts, medical, political, and criminal records, the anti-tamper device ensures complete destruction of the chip (and your skull) should some criminal attempt to steal your chip. This is all for your safety to stop the terrorists.
Think of the children, the poor children who cannot buy or sell anything until they get their NSC implanted at age 16.
Do not oppose the law, Citizen.
Submit, obey, and conform.- justo, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1i'm looking forward to nano-bots. if they can be made to replace dna sequences, i can imagine them implanting code to build a nano bio gsm organelle that can be passed down hereditarily.
- Grumps, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3Everyone came to this damn New Land from somewhere else. If some are illegals, everyone is.
We took this land from native americans and we locked the door, stopping everyone else that comes in after us!
- toxicshok, on 01/11/2008, -8/+11But illegals are still that... illegal.
- anthonyy, on 01/11/2008, -23/+47Ron Paul speaks against using the REAL ID ACT. Great speech! http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
- jefferygomer, on 01/12/2008, -3/+8Wow. I've seen a lot of Paul's speeches, but this one just might top it. Shame the house was 80% empty.
- EditorResponse, on 01/12/2008, -7/+695% empty...those present were there for the laugh.
- jefferygomer, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3It's pretty clear you didn't watch the video.
- EditorResponse, on 01/12/2008, -7/+695% empty...those present were there for the laugh.
- yaddayaddayoda, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1Ahhh my friend ZuuiU, you have come back again.
- jefferygomer, on 01/12/2008, -3/+8Wow. I've seen a lot of Paul's speeches, but this one just might top it. Shame the house was 80% empty.
- smthop3, on 01/11/2008, -9/+11Just to play Devil's Advocate, don't we already need to present ID to enter planes and federal buildings? And don't we already have a National ID card in a driver's license in which you need to present in order to do many things anyway?
Here's a vid from Mike Gravel, who you might be surprised actually supports the National ID card:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lbSh-3G3HJU- nycmac247, on 01/12/2008, -7/+12"Its says here on your card 'homosexual'; you like *****, boy?"
"Hey, Jack - we got a real one here"
"Boy, we gonna strip search you --- I think I smell drugs -- now you think that we're so funny?"
"I could kill you and my buddy would say that you struggled here at the checkpoint and I had to taze you. And Ooops you died."
"Hahahaha all you ***** ***** are the same - ***** on the USA and don't support our Troops. Gonna be Iraq's tenth anniversary next month and you hippies still allowed to do your ***** in public."
"Well ... maybe my nightstick up your ass will give you something to protest."
- nycmac247, on 01/12/2008, -7/+12"Its says here on your card 'homosexual'; you like *****, boy?"
- Frnnkdlxx, on 01/12/2008, -2/+11What's interesting is that in one year, over 150,000 Iranians, Iraqi's, Saudi's and other middle easterners from hot spots our forces can be found were intercepted and sent back from our borders. That means tens of thousands, if not more are still here... Why haven't they blown something up? Better yet, why do we think they would, when on 9/11, it was proven that if our government, military, fbi, and cia had responded properly to the security threats posed by their former employees and assets, we wouldn't have lost 3,000 people and 15,000 more in the coming years. What about the 100,000 sick and dying who resided in New York during 9/11 suffering from lung damage? They are not getting proper care, yet we're spending billions to enslave or inconveneinece the rest?
I see a future where thousands, if not more will be unfairly imprisoned in an increasingly violent prison instutitution that violates the constitution in so many ways, I don't think I have to explain it. I just want to know why we are so backwards and why people don't see the same lack of logic that I see. We need to stand up. Fight them. Tell them no. RIGHT NOW. Maybe if we do it today, we can push this back a couple decades and prepare our own children to fight this. - will-rom, on 01/12/2008, -5/+1Guess they haven't seen Ocean's 13.
- locojones, on 01/12/2008, -3/+37There are so many constitutional things wrong with the RealID act it's not even funny.
The most egregious one is the barring of people from federal buildings who don't have the ID. I can guarantee a 5th Amendment Due Process challenge to the RealID Act the first time a plaintiff or defendant is precluded from entering a federal courthouse to vindicate their rights in a trial at which they are supposed to appear. Additionally, there is a well-established constitutional right to travel. When a citizen is barred from entering a state because their ID is rejected at a checkpoint, or a citizen is barred from getting on an airline because they have a normal license, there will be a meritorious challenge.
Write to your Congressional representatives. Stand up against this Act because it's patently unconstitutional. The Congress has no Constitutional authority to pass it (it is not a Commerce Clause argument, and the 10th Amendment empowers the states with authority to issue licenses). The government is leaning on its tax & spend power to coerce states into compliance by withdrawing federal highway funds if they don't.
If all states would band together and refuse to participate, what is the government going to do? Besides, the entire rationale underlying the RealID Act is complete and utter garbage. People over 50 are unlikely to be terrorists? Tell that to Osama, I'm pretty sure that's his age. ID's will somehow prevent acts of subversion? Well, if I'm not mistaken, the hijackers had multiple valid driver's licenses. And why are we wasting to much time and money trying to completely terrorist-proof air travel with government papers and laser missile detectors when the TSA itself can't even detect bomb components in screening when they know they're being tested for it? We have 12 million illegal immigrants in this country, most of whom live and drive around just fine without a license. And if I'm an insurgent, like Timothy McVeigh, I don't need a government ID to enter a federal building when I can just load my van with a ton of fertilizer bombs and park it outside the federal building to incinerate it. What's next? Need an ID to get within 200 feet of a federal building?
Look at the underlying reasons behind this. This is increased government intrusion into your personal lives masking as thinly veiled security. You can never be totally safe from people that want to kill you. Don't give up your freedoms that the founding fathers worked so hard to secure for you. - Goodfeeling32, on 01/12/2008, -6/+3Ron Paul needs to be more offensive and to bring those subjects into the debates.
He also should run a TV Ad about McCain's comment on the Iraq war. If he had done that before N-H, he would never have lost that bad in this state.- nycmac247, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3blackboxvoting.com
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 01/12/2008, -17/+4Give me a ***** break, every argument on this page is a slippery slope fallacy.
- skyfire1, on 01/12/2008, -2/+14Hello XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Was XXXXXXXXXXXXX taken?
- MaTT2011, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3Don't come in here claiming "every" argument on this page is faulty in some way and not showing us why and how; without that your accusation is all sizzle and no meat.
so GTFO with that unproductive *****.
- tracker198x, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1im too feminized to fight...sorry. y'all made me switch to democrat, ban guns, and drink lattes at starbucks and become a computer coder. i sit with my legs crossed and wait for my gf to come home from work and take me. and she put her foot down, we will not resist the new nanny state or vote against hillary. sorry guys
- demicritter, on 01/11/2008, -3/+74Paul is right about many things, but these moves by the government and plain as day! Consider that the border is being breached daily by god only knows who! Yet, we're being subjected to increased scrutiny while the thieves are ignored? We're the source of funds/cash and resources the government and banks taps into to amass their power and wealth. It's that simple. The illegals are merely a distraction while we're being patted down and cuffed...figuratively speaking.
- deeboe, on 01/11/2008, -8/+1041964 or 1984?
- FTLJohnson, on 01/12/2008, -2/+13So he missed by 40 years... 2024 will be when the fascism is complete.
and... I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.... - ThomasPaine23, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4This is where I draw my line. I WILL NOT comply. Come hell or high water. I will give up my license before I agree to this.
- Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4I'm with you 100%. Civil disobedience is free speech. If you look at the history of this country, civil disobedience has been the catalyst for some of the greatest changes that have occurred in our society. Whether it's women refusing to stay at home or African Americans refusing to give up their seats, civil disobedience has always won us our freedom. I have no doubt arrests will be made for those who don't comply, all in the name of "security". But I stand by our record. The injustice that the state will impose on its people will backfire. Freedom isn't free. It is a mis fortunate function of the system, not the people, that the state imposes such policies. Just make sure you speak out while you can, as often as you can. You wouldn't want it to be the case that no one is left to speak out for you.
- sporg, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6"Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders" (this is part of the real ID law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
This means fences at state borders in strategic places and checkpoints on all major routes crossing into a different state. Anyone who can not account for registered travel plans will not be allowed to cross. Anyone without proper ID wil be detained and questioned. Welcome to the new American century NOW GET TO WORK SLAVE !- bingobongony, on 01/13/2008, -1/+1You are a fool. Doesn't mean that at all. Your life is wasted.
- rentmitchum, on 01/12/2008, -1/+0It's a brave new world..
- FTLJohnson, on 01/12/2008, -2/+13So he missed by 40 years... 2024 will be when the fascism is complete.
- MBX1, on 01/11/2008, -13/+213***** patriot act pigs.
- soot, on 01/11/2008, -17/+18But you'll be over it tomorrow.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3Unfortunately, you'll never be over your imbecility.
- jggr, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2lol... Not really. We're all sheep. Britteny will do something stupid next week, and the mob will no longer care.
Go ahead prove me wrong. It's obvious that the law as written is not kosher with historical American values, but unless the people actually do something (besides angry posts on DIGG) 'soot' is right. You'll get over it. You'll take it like the good little sheep you are, and you'll like it. Why? Because you want your XBox. You need your super market. - thebusdriver, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3totally 100% true. People just don't care enough to do anything anymore, everyone is complacent. Eventually the govt will do something and there will be rioting etc but by then it'll be too late.
- jggr, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2lol... Not really. We're all sheep. Britteny will do something stupid next week, and the mob will no longer care.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3Unfortunately, you'll never be over your imbecility.
- RepublicansSuck, on 01/12/2008, -4/+9The next President has to get rid off all of this nonsense! We don't need crap like this in our country, if only we could kick the war/fear-mongering Neocons out, we'd still be a great country.
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 01/12/2008, -14/+4Patriot Act has nothing to do with this.
- MBX1, on 01/12/2008, -0/+10indirectly yes (anti-terrorist *****, surveillance, nsa, etc. etc.)
- MikeGrenade, on 01/12/2008, -2/+14Good job - You'll notice "patriot act pigs" refers to the "pigs" who supported the "patriot act" and likely support this gem of an idea.
Terrorists threaten our way of life, so lets destroy it before they can, that'll show 'em.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3No. It has to do with fascism and its implementation in EVERY FORM.
- sotopheavy, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2Lets say I got a national ID card. I'm a US citizen and not a con man or terrorist. I would need it to get on a flight or enter a federal building. I could not have more than one ID (and don't need more than one). My data is kept in a central database that would make a sweet score for hackers if hacked (maximum lulz achieved or something.) The ID does not have an electronic RFID chip in it so I don't need to worry about data theft that way. What freedoms have I lost? I am curious because I sincerely want to know what everybody is worried about.
- soot, on 01/11/2008, -17/+18But you'll be over it tomorrow.
- demicritter, on 01/11/2008, -15/+200This is the global elite's way of tagging and bagging their quarry without so much as lifting a finger. Next, they'll require a microchip being inserted somewhere up our body, on which will be our bank account. As we move around the city they'll be decrementing fees for various things which today we enjoy for free. Crossing from one community to another: community transition tax; neighborly inconsideration tax: leaving one's neighborhood for any reason; loitering tax: not being present at your place of employ location for less than 10 hours; etc. Homeland security as an excuse is pure bull sh$t. This is about the elites who really control our government merely inserting another electronic link on the chain of slavery, the other end of which is held in their blackened knurled hands.
- moletimer, on 01/11/2008, -6/+58...And I guarantee they'll say 'it's in the name of fighting terrorism'. Fascist bastards.
- Skooma714, on 01/11/2008, -10/+15Number of the beast.
- smthop3, on 01/11/2008, -19/+8Be wary of the Slippery Slope logical fallacy.
- atheinostic, on 01/12/2008, -2/+11Slippery Slope arguments aren't always fallacies
- smthop3, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4True, the Slippery Slope logic doesn't make it automatically fallacious, but the steps required to get from A to Z does make it a weaker argument. He's saying we're going to go from a simple ID card, which we basically already have in a Driver's License, to getting microchips implanted in us. Obviously there is a big grey area in between that, and you have to assume a lot of things. In fact, on Wikipedia, what everyone here is bitching about is actually the example they provide of a Slippery Slope fallacy:
"Examples
For example, many civil libertarians argue that even minor increases in government authority, by making them seem less noteworthy, make future increases in that authority more likely: what would once have seemed a huge power grab, the argument goes, now becomes seen as just another incremental increase, and thus appears more palatable (this is also an example of the "boiling frog" allegory). In this way, it is very similar to the foot in the door technique of persuasion."
It's just important to remember that the times aren't always as bad as they seem. During the mid 1900s, the US had the "Red Scare" and people going around saying "Oooh, all the dominoes are going to fall", well that never happened. 75 years after the Scopes trial, where Clarence Darrow was talking of the horrors of banning evolution, hardly anything he has said has come to pass. Most of the things we worry about never do happen.
- smthop3, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4True, the Slippery Slope logic doesn't make it automatically fallacious, but the steps required to get from A to Z does make it a weaker argument. He's saying we're going to go from a simple ID card, which we basically already have in a Driver's License, to getting microchips implanted in us. Obviously there is a big grey area in between that, and you have to assume a lot of things. In fact, on Wikipedia, what everyone here is bitching about is actually the example they provide of a Slippery Slope fallacy:
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1Yeah, once you start down that road, you might not be able to stop yourself.
- atheinostic, on 01/12/2008, -2/+11Slippery Slope arguments aren't always fallacies
- TwinTurboMike, on 01/11/2008, -4/+24All you have to do is wrap yourself in tinfoil and the RFID readers won't be able to get a signature. ;)
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -4/+1Totally agree!
- robbiedo, on 01/12/2008, -4/+4Yeah, Idiocracy has been playing on cable a bit much.
- Yage2006, on 01/12/2008, -13/+4Hey I got some tinfoil hats for you guys if you want ? :)
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -4/+0oh yah thanks!!! If they wont to start bragging about how all of this will create "new jobs" they wont even know how truthful they will be!!! You got any idea how tinfoil is made? I think we need to start a new biz! LOL!!!!!!
- jamthedude, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5HAHAHAHAHA Tin foil hats! So ***** clever, every time I hear it!! HAHAHAHA.. Man, everytime someone says it it makes me laugh and forget being aware of the military-industrial-corporate complex above us.
Honestly, though, its scary how quickly otherwise smart diggers will stick their heads in the sand murmuring tin foil this and tin foil that when something slightly scary is put before their eyes. Wake up! If you haven't realized it yet - there are cameras everywhere and microchips are a reality (really, they are.. LOOK IT UP!) - corporations put them in clothes, packaging, and some incredibly naive families have already put them in their children. Wake up and take your head out of the sand - you're not going to get points if you were right or wrong in the end, and in this situation having a healthy bit of paranoia is definitely better than being passively dismissive.
- BESTenemy, on 01/12/2008, -1/+15We're proud of our heritage and our freedom. This new measure is for our own convenience. We should proudly wear the Star Of David arm bands to... oh... wait a minute. You say it's called Read ID this time around?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6I'lll probably get an RFID chip that spells out "P" for Progressive. Different target and technique -- same old *****. Anyone who violently refuses this crap will not get a conviction from me -- it is self defense.
NO ***** tagging of humans should be permitted -- ever. Our country is safe because people are happy and obey laws because they choose to as long as the system works for them. If you make a system that can perfectly track a human -- there will be very little possibility of them protesting without being totally screwed with the push of a button. You can make a person an un-person without a valid ID, or herd them into a ghetto.
Right now, one bullet can shut down the entire gas pipeline from Alaska -- as one stray bullet did about a month ago. Why doesn't this happen more often? Because most people are good.
So this ***** that the Government cannot trust the people is a lie -- the people cannot trust this government and WE are the ones who must be satisfied.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6I'lll probably get an RFID chip that spells out "P" for Progressive. Different target and technique -- same old *****. Anyone who violently refuses this crap will not get a conviction from me -- it is self defense.
- JusticeAK, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4community transition tax, thats a good one. Not to far from the truth.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+5I think they are LETTING the Social Security ID system fail. Just let a million illegals be forced to steal our IDs so that they can work and feed themselves -- and make sure every American has to go through hell after identity theft. We will be begging them to SOLVE the problem with some verifiable chip.
It would be so easy to fix the SS number with Public-Key encryption. Let anyone have your SS Number for ID purposes -- but only YOU know the password that ID's it with the government -- a password that can be changed. Problem solved using our current credit card infrastructure.
But these assholes act like problems cannot be solved until they are given more money and power. And they have a million NeoCon assholes saying; "save us daddy!"
- mystafreaze, on 01/11/2008, -3/+32irreparably damage the fabric of American life? more like a tie die for whats really in store! im moving to botswana
- Baofu, on 01/12/2008, -2/+3Can I come too?
- EditorResponse, on 01/12/2008, -6/+2I'd be willing to sip the two of you in four small boxes.
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3You best wait till they make "global ID's" so you wont have a lot of legal hassle! -(In my best sarcastic voice)
Save a seat for me on the plane...that's if you can even get on one!
- officecamel, on 01/11/2008, -6/+152I love how the government thinks that a national ID card will stop terrorism. A determined person can still harm others--regardless of the laws and rules in place. Guns weren't allowed at Virginia Tech, yet someone carried out a shooting there. More restrictions on our freedom, liberty, and privacy will cause us to suffer--while the enemy just finds new ways to do the same things as before. This stuff needs to be stopped, or the USA will be a mirror copy of the former Soviet Union police state.
- agisme, on 01/11/2008, -8/+2I agree
- robocop1, on 01/11/2008, -6/+2And i agree with you.
- genovais, on 01/11/2008, -4/+4I'm so glad!
- clearzen, on 01/11/2008, -3/+34The government doesn't think it will stop terrorism. They just want another method to monitor and control it's population.
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -8/+4All three of you have said it correctly. I'm positive now that Ron Paul is our only hope away from this government control of our lives crap.
- Catgofire, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Exactly. Does banning water bottles on airplanes make us all safer? Of course not. It's security theatrics to make us think we're "safer". The really sad part is, it works on a lot of people. "Oh you have to take all my clothes off and put a GPS tracker in my body? I'm so safe!!!"
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Damn, Clearzen beat me to it.
No, this government supports terrorism. Anyone remember the Iran/Contra affair years ago? Pappy Bush was sending weapons to the extremists in Iran while publicly, the Republicans were jumping up and down about how dangerous they were and beating their chests that THEY could get hostages released and not a wimp like Carter.
You probably also didn't know that it was Pappy Bush, as part of the CIA, who told Carter it was all clear to send in Delta Force to rescue hostages during a sand storm. Those troops died as their helicopters tried to land in hurricane winds. You don't think the military tracks weather?
The Bush family has always worked both ends against the middle. Terrorists are their friends. - Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2crim·i·nal –noun
Definition: a person guilty or convicted of a crime.
Laws don't prevent crimes. Laws define criminals, and they disarm victims. - diggingaround, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2What terrorism?
- agisme, on 01/11/2008, -8/+2I agree
- Strongo, on 01/11/2008, -5/+174Papers Please
- Magnolit, on 01/12/2008, -1/+15Ihre Papiere, bitte!
- orxor, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6Schnell!!!!! Schnell!!!!!
- SonOfDisaster, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2That was so awesome in medal of honor... showing the nazi officer then cappin him with a silenced pistol.
- Magnolit, on 01/12/2008, -1/+15Ihre Papiere, bitte!
- 1kewldude, on 01/11/2008, -4/+52FTA - "The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less"
WTF does turning 50 have to do if one is a terrorist, illegal immigrant or a con artist - ever know of any criminals who simply stopped because of a birthday?!?!?!?!?!
This counrty is doomed - the declination of society is truly all around us- hiikeeba, on 01/11/2008, -1/+6Aren't TSA screeners searching elderly white ladies at airports just to prove that they aren't only looking for men between the ages of 19 and 30 of middle eastern descent? They should make the 50 years get theirs first so they can deny they are profiling.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1TSA has too much ***** to deal with to find their ass with both hands. There are over 100,000 names on the watch list, including Democratic Senators. The resent story of them failing to stop a patient with Tuberculosis, even though the CDC put out high risk warning on him, is because the TSA looks at pages of the same ***** on thousands of people a day. So, the "highly infectious" warning was probably at the end of the same crap the read for Granny.
This has ZERO to do with terrorism. They'd love nothing more than more terror attacks. The military, which is spending billions to move towards private security, would love nothing more than an armed and fearful populace. Personal security is the fastest growing sector of the economy. It used to be "prison guard."
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1TSA has too much ***** to deal with to find their ass with both hands. There are over 100,000 names on the watch list, including Democratic Senators. The resent story of them failing to stop a patient with Tuberculosis, even though the CDC put out high risk warning on him, is because the TSA looks at pages of the same ***** on thousands of people a day. So, the "highly infectious" warning was probably at the end of the same crap the read for Granny.
- toxicshok, on 01/11/2008, -1/+2yes but that exemption period will shrink and shrink as more people in that age group die off.
- koicho, on 01/11/2008, -1/+17That's because all the people behind it ARE 50+ old....
- fuzzmeister, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1It is actually true, people under 50 are far more likely to be criminals or terrorists than people over 50. It's not that 50 is a turning point, its more of a curve, but they had to choose a place to cut it off.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1They did? Three years later, guess which age group has to have the ID to get on a plane like everyone else?
- EditorResponse, on 01/12/2008, -3/+1#1 given statistics they know what age groups are likely to give them trouble #2 as to why the cut off is at 50, just how many car bombs do you think a 20 year old terrorist gets to hand deliver? If the answer is more than one you fail.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1Wait, what is the point of trying to explain what a group of criminals who are hell bent on a police state say about anything? 50 or 60 -- who the hell gives a ***** what these criminals have to say? I just want to here them say; "yes, your honor."
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1They did? Three years later, guess which age group has to have the ID to get on a plane like everyone else?
- reparsed, on 01/12/2008, -1/+9How old is Osama?
- EditorResponse, on 01/12/2008, -3/+1I think 46 or 47
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2He died December 26th, 2001 in Northern Pakistan according to Bhutto and other sources. You weren't told this, because it's better a mystery bogey man who leaves taped threats around election time than a dead guy and the end to the war on terror.
- 55fifty, on 01/12/2008, -10/+0yes, this counrty may be doomed, but certainly not this country. there's no problem at all with having a more secure form of ID, especially if there's even a chance it will prevent terrorism or an escalation of illegal immigration. Until they attach a microchip to this card or follow everyone around with satellites, there's not a problem.
- locojones, on 01/12/2008, -1/+9How funny. This means Osama bin Laden can come over and get an unrestricted driver's license. Oh the poetic justice.
- joot2112, on 01/12/2008, -1/+8Osama bin Laden turned 50 last year.
- Marijuana, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2They are smart. They want this Real ID ***** passed right? But they want to make it appealing by lowering the cost from 12 billion to 3 billion, how? By making an over-50 exemption. The point is, this isn't about homeland security they just want this ***** passed really fast because Bush is their best impeachable puppet to date.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1They piss away a billion every time they send Bush on a trip from the White House. They have limos for the f'ing dogs, and about 500 people who have to protect his royal ass.
- hiikeeba, on 01/11/2008, -1/+6Aren't TSA screeners searching elderly white ladies at airports just to prove that they aren't only looking for men between the ages of 19 and 30 of middle eastern descent? They should make the 50 years get theirs first so they can deny they are profiling.
- demicritter, on 01/11/2008, -15/+123Don't ID me, BRO!
- Aensland, on 01/11/2008, -2/+15You'll probably be tased if you refuse to hand over your ID to the rent-a-cop.
- xsquirrel378x, on 01/11/2008, -9/+10ugh ***** stop already, the bro jokes were funny for like a week
- RevToTheRedline, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1A week ago? More like the 3rd day after it happen.
- themonkman, on 01/12/2008, -6/+1Beat me to it. Bastard!
- CraigJ, on 01/11/2008, -3/+46This is a means to oppress the honest citizens and provide yet another avenue of attack for criminal activity. Need to start working on that 2nd identity now...
- OmegaWolf, on 01/11/2008, -15/+45666 MARK OF THE BEAST 666
- brainboy77, on 01/11/2008, -27/+7666 THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
Get the lyrics right, douche.- sTiVo, on 01/11/2008, -2/+14Congratulations. You're an idiot.
- DruSam, on 01/11/2008, -4/+12313 MY AREA CODE
- xerigen, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2DETROIT REPRESENT! I can't do that anymore. I live in a suburb of Detroit and we USED to be 313 but then we got 734 and I don't feel as cool anymore.
Relative to the article: I am pissed and I will do whatever I can to help Ron Paul win the presidency- Rustymetal, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1MI primary this tueday !!!! you better vote. 734? I used to live there but no where near detroit. Temperance, MI was where my 734 phone number was at.
- xerigen, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2DETROIT REPRESENT! I can't do that anymore. I live in a suburb of Detroit and we USED to be 313 but then we got 734 and I don't feel as cool anymore.
- CraigJ, on 01/11/2008, -5/+2Run to the Hills!
- homer420032003, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1i read that comment as "Ron Paul to the Hills!" I need to get of digg
- nsanidy, on 01/11/2008, -6/+1...NAUGHTY JUNGLE OF LOVE!
- tidu, on 01/12/2008, -3/+1Just downloaded that for Rock Band... :D
- Diggnoramus, on 01/12/2008, -0/+9Digg Up!!! Even if you don't believe it (I don't), there are a heck of a lot of Christians out there, and it wouldn't hurt to have their support in resisting this. Be sure to find the "hidden" 666 in the proposed Real ID card (y'know, convert "Real ID" or some other marking on the proposed cards to ASCII, do some sums, inversions, hand-waving, etc.). That should trigger the desired uproar. So...ummm..yes, sure! Real ID is the Mark of the Beast!!! Be afraid!!!
- brainboy77, on 01/11/2008, -27/+7666 THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
- Napoleone, on 01/11/2008, -3/+11317 States are refusing to participate in this National ID scam, and Chertoff is threatening that the citizens from said States will lose the right to board a plane, enter any federal building or park, and lose all access to federal government services. That is called coercion.
The citizens of those States should not panic, though. There is no way in hell his words are anything more than a bluff. You restrict travel from any 17 States and you kill the economy in a heartbeat.- ScornForSega, on 01/11/2008, -4/+80That's right bitches! It's the United STATES of America, not Fed Federal Fed Fed of America. If the citizens of the state won't be able to enter a federal building, who the ***** is going to work there?
Government exists to serve the people, not the other way around.- Aensland, on 01/11/2008, -3/+20Actually, there'll probably enough sheep willing to go along with their games to replace those who defy them. You guys need to stand up against this NOW, or the only standing up you'll be doing is in jail for some made-up crime.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -8/+2Yes, you're right, it's the UNITED states of America.
We should have a common standard for ID.
And education. And health care. And civil rights.
Not 50 different versions.
Granted. Even with that, I see this RealID act as a bad thing. - Genthree, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Turns out the South was right about that one back in the day, eh?
- Skooma714, on 01/11/2008, -3/+16Good, I don't want welfare or to go into a government building.
In fact, why don't stop paying income tax.- musicpyrite, on 01/11/2008, -16/+3Yeah lets stop paying income tax! ***** the government, they be stealin' my moneies! They should be able to do everything for free!
Seriously, how old are you?- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -3/+10If 17 States' citizens lose their ability to set foot inside a Federal building why should they pay the Federal government any tax money at all? Obviously the government wants nothing to do with them, so the citizens likewise should have nothing to do with the government.
- musicpyrite, on 01/12/2008, -6/+2Uh, your ability to enter a federal building does not have anything to do with income tax. I'm not allowed to roam high schools or prisons at will, even though I pay for them through some type of tax. Can you imagine if citizens in 17 states lost their ability to do something as simple as board an airplane or enter a federal building? We're talking about 10s (possibly a 100 or more) of millions of people who are unable to do that. It would never happen, it is simply not feasible, the country would end up in shambles.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -2/+0Seriously....how stupid are you?
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -3/+10If 17 States' citizens lose their ability to set foot inside a Federal building why should they pay the Federal government any tax money at all? Obviously the government wants nothing to do with them, so the citizens likewise should have nothing to do with the government.
- musicpyrite, on 01/11/2008, -16/+3Yeah lets stop paying income tax! ***** the government, they be stealin' my moneies! They should be able to do everything for free!
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -4/+17Exactly. The airlines would be done for good. Who do these government jokers think they're fooling?! Vote Ron Paul and get rid of all these crooked politicians who want nothing more than to control out every whim.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1The airlines will get whatever government funds they need to make them happy.
You don't think AT&T isn't getting sweet-heart deals for spying on American's and perhaps "filtering offensive content?" I'm sure they will find much of the stories Digg has offensive to them.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1The airlines will get whatever government funds they need to make them happy.
- Useight, on 01/12/2008, -3/+0Yay for Washington, fighting this thing!
- renegadeafk, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1Which states?
- homer420032003, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2RTFA!
- Xinareiaz, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.
and yay, mine is in there.
- jeffwmartin, on 01/12/2008, -0/+0I live in Tennessee, one of the states that has refused to cooperate w/ REAL ID. Even if it's not a bluff, I will keep writing my reps to support our continued refusal. I just hope if it does happen, that I have a reason to go to federal court.
- ScornForSega, on 01/11/2008, -4/+80That's right bitches! It's the United STATES of America, not Fed Federal Fed Fed of America. If the citizens of the state won't be able to enter a federal building, who the ***** is going to work there?
- jcastillo81, on 01/11/2008, -2/+116"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said.
Doublespeak quote of the year!!!- Napoleone, on 01/11/2008, -1/+18Has Chertoff been peeking on my wish list?
- diggingaround, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Snake...
- jmpeagle, on 01/11/2008, -2/+46privacy of government trumps privacy of citizens yet again. Thank you uneducated voter who votes based on who supports the most stringent anti-sodomy laws and anti-flag burning. This is what you get.
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3Exactly.
- shamanlife, on 01/11/2008, -4/+40Why all the hoopla over satan's ID? ... err I mean real ID.
- travbrack, on 01/11/2008, -4/+29Night was black was no use holding back
'Cause I just had to see was someone watching me
In the mist dark figures move and twist
was all this for real or just some kind of hell
666 the Number of the Beast
Hell and fire was spawned to be released
*epic guitar solo*- brad3378, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7-WcSIVVFY
- soot, on 01/11/2008, -17/+14Don't tag me, bro
- Xerces, on 01/11/2008, -10/+65I can has revolution?
- soot, on 01/11/2008, -4/+35No, you're too comfortable in your office chair.
- Skooma714, on 01/11/2008, -3/+18American Idol and Football is on OMIGASH!
- Corrosionx, on 01/11/2008, -2/+7You can have taser
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -7/+8Yes, the Ron Paul Revolution! :)
- Virgule, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2lol wut? you has revoluchun, rite?
- Codename46, on 01/12/2008, -2/+6Sorry. Thanks to many Digg-type people, the guns we need to conduct such a thing have all been banned.
- SuperSunny, on 01/11/2008, -8/+25I can has founding fathers + revolution!? tis coming...
- fuzzmeister, on 01/12/2008, -1/+10If you want to have a revolution, make it one of the ballot boxes. Otherwise, have fun going up against a tank with your hunting rifle.
- Tilon, on 01/12/2008, -0/+8It's more likely to be private contractors rather than the US Military.
- Codename46, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2Well we have the anti-gun crowd to thank for that *****, don't we.
The irony of Kucinich and Obama supporters...
- fuzzmeister, on 01/12/2008, -1/+10If you want to have a revolution, make it one of the ballot boxes. Otherwise, have fun going up against a tank with your hunting rifle.
- dizenz07, on 01/11/2008, -1/+88Unconstitutional... Tenth Amendment states... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
- Worldchrisis, on 01/11/2008, -0/+21Bush Administration will claim its a necessity for the defense of the nation, nobody in the States will argue because its political suicide to appear as though you don't care about terrorism, which is how it would appear to the idiots who fall for that *****.
- bmunichman, on 01/11/2008, -0/+15And since when has that stopped them before?
- koicho, on 01/11/2008, -1/+19"Constitution is just a piece of paper"... (Not my quote)
- ordig, on 01/12/2008, -0/+5“for me to poop on"
-gwb
- ordig, on 01/12/2008, -0/+5“for me to poop on"
- skinnyskittles, on 01/12/2008, -2/+5yeah that amendment is a beautiful one. unfortunately, it's amazing how much we seem to ignore that one. federal education is illegal according to that amendment
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4I wonder how the Supreme Court Judges will try to rule on this one!
- dotlizard, on 01/11/2008, -2/+19can't get on airplanes? can't get inside a federal building? yay for no ID card!
(until the jackbooted thugs come for me of course) - flyingv603, on 01/11/2008, -5/+3pit? shouldn't that be "puts"?
- CaviMike, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3No.
- IAmLegend24, on 01/11/2008, -16/+8I bet you $500 bucks that there will be some type of RFDI or GPS tracking chips imbeaded into the card.
- onetimer, on 01/11/2008, -3/+6FTA: "The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards."
People would be able to detect very quickly if any kind of RFDI or GPS chips were put in against the terms of legislation by the government. Not something you have to worry about.- Yareking, on 01/11/2008, -1/+4he own you 500$ bucks congrats!
- Corrosionx, on 01/11/2008, -5/+4Aren't you always johnny-on-the-spot to defend those police-state measures.
- onetimer, on 01/12/2008, -3/+6I must have missed the part of my post where I advocated REAL ID in anyway. Maybe, just maybe, you are an intellectually dishonest and troofter with reading comprehension issues?
I was simply defending basic science and reasoning that discredits all this ***** hyperbole that gets dugg up by idiots like you.
- onetimer, on 01/12/2008, -3/+6I must have missed the part of my post where I advocated REAL ID in anyway. Maybe, just maybe, you are an intellectually dishonest and troofter with reading comprehension issues?
- JusticeAK, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2RFID is not a mircochip
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4Depends on just how literally you want to take that specific word.
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The reader emits radio waves in ranges of anywhere from one inch to 100 feet or more, depending upon its power output and the radio frequency used. When an RFID tag passes through the electromagnetic zone, it detects the reader's activation signal. The reader decodes the data encoded in the tag's integrated circuit (silicon chip) and the data is passed to the host computer for processing.
http://www.aimglobal.org/technologies/RFID/what_is ... - shamanlife, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3RFIDs are chips, and are made using micrometer technology.... micro-chip.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4Depends on just how literally you want to take that specific word.
- bmunichman, on 01/11/2008, -1/+13you...you do realize how GPS works, right? The GPS chip receives carefully timed signals from satellites in very precise orbits. It can then calculate, using the offset of each signal, how far away it is from each of the satellites. 4 satellites (or 3 satellites & the earth's surface) is all the chip needs to calculate its position in space. A GPS does NOT, necessarily, broadcast its location. A transmitter can be attached that can broadcast the device's location, but this requires a power source (not to mention the power needed to run the GPS chip). You want to take a guess as to how a battery can fit inside an ID card, or how you would go about recharging it?
But don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories- MadScientist420, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5haha, that's the comment I was looking for. Hey Legend, I'll take that bet you moron.
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2The battery will probably be charged by solar power. And they will probably make you go set outside for 3 hours a day for your leisure time. And if you don't take your leisure time, a small fee will be deducted from your bank account because you overworked yourself! (Sounds about as good as the rest of the story!)
- bmunichman, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1which will necessitate government mandated see-through pants so the cards can charge while they're in our pockets!
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1No, the recharger would be built into the scanning device.
Swipe your card, and it's recharged for the next few weeks.
/I know it's stupid, but no more so than the comment I'm responding to.
- shamanlife, on 01/12/2008, -2/+3RFID chips don't have local power sources. But don't let that fact in the way of sheep.
- bmunichman, on 01/13/2008, -1/+1yea....so? You're right, they don't. RFID tags are to radio waves like barcodes are to visible light waves. How is that important in any way? How does an RFID tag restrict your freedoms any more than a magnetic strip, or a barcode, or just information that is printed on your card. They can all be used in essentially the same manner.
RFID is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different than GPS- shamanlife, on 01/14/2008, -1/+1You are either trying to be funny, or you are just really ignorant. I do hate to constantly have to explain everything, sometimes i just wish people opened up their brains just a tad bit more. So, here is a only a bit of info. With well placed sensors (transceivers, actually) the RFID tags can work better than a GPS enabled chip, allowing the controllers of the sensors to monitor location, or whatever else, depending on design.
- bmunichman, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2And in the event these cards had RFID tags: faraday cage.
build one into your wallet or card holder & it can't be read unless you take it out.- shamanlife, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1oh no, don't let out that secret, please wait until i have the website up and running that sells the wallets with the built in Faraday cages. :P
- bmunichman, on 01/13/2008, -1/+1yea....so? You're right, they don't. RFID tags are to radio waves like barcodes are to visible light waves. How is that important in any way? How does an RFID tag restrict your freedoms any more than a magnetic strip, or a barcode, or just information that is printed on your card. They can all be used in essentially the same manner.
- P5ycHo, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2RFID's get power from the reader. The reader is aware of it's location.
So tracing is possible. Your location will be recorder everywhere you use the card.
It's just nothing like a Car GPS.- bmunichman, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Magnetic strips are read by a machine. The machine is aware of it's location.
So tracing is possible. Your location will be recorded everywhere you use the card.
Now what do you usually use more, your ID card or your credit card? Andandand wait for it.......police/authorities can already use your credit card information to track you *with a warrant.* Thats the big thing I see in this debate. I don't see any inherent problems with a national ID with or without an RFID tag, I see the problems in how it gets exploited. Much of what I see on this page is "with these ID cards, the government could potentially require us to use them/show them everywhere & track our movement with them." But really, tell me how that would be easier with these "high tech" ID cards. Unless someone is completely disconnected with most aspects of modern society, some kind of ID, whether its a driver's license, state issued ID, work ID, etc, is practically a necessity. Do you somehow believe that is is impossible to track people's movements with the IDs used now?
- bmunichman, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Magnetic strips are read by a machine. The machine is aware of it's location.
- musicpyrite, on 01/11/2008, -4/+9GPS hahahahah you obviously have no ***** clue how GPS works. Please do not voice your opinion if you don't know what the hell you're talking about. In fact just kill yourself right now to avoid contaminating the gene pool.
A few seconds in a microwave will take care of a "possible" RFID. But then you're gonna have to explain to the TSA agent/customs official why your ID does not scan correctly and you'll probably just end up in Gitmo. - bmunichman, on 01/11/2008, -2/+6we'll take our $500 now. Each
- pcpimpster, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5I'd be willing to bet 1000$ you have no basis for that claim and are full of *****.
And if you still think thats true, you can throw it out after you get yours.
- onetimer, on 01/11/2008, -3/+6FTA: "The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards."
- pimpofpixels, on 01/11/2008, -2/+14Big bro is here, but these ID cards aren't what I'm worried about. In California the only difference is that you'll take the photo at the beginning of the application process.
- MadScientist420, on 01/12/2008, -8/+3Serisouly, I understand being worried about "Big Bro" in all but all they are talking about is simply increasing the security feature of Drivers licenses and standardizing them somewhat. The only problem I see with this is all the unser 21 kids who aren't going to be able to use fake ID as easily.
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -2/+3If underage kids drinking alcohol were the only problem we had in this country, I would say we would all go to Heaven when we died!
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Oh, let's also give up our right to NOT have a camera in our bedroom. I mean -- think of all the people who we might strangle if we had privacy.
You don't have much imagination if you don't see the problem.
- centerblack, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4Yea, well, it's a slippery ***** slope. Better to resist all of this *****.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -4/+0Totally man! Throw away your drivers' license!
- MadScientist420, on 01/12/2008, -8/+3Serisouly, I understand being worried about "Big Bro" in all but all they are talking about is simply increasing the security feature of Drivers licenses and standardizing them somewhat. The only problem I see with this is all the unser 21 kids who aren't going to be able to use fake ID as easily.
- kelsosmythe, on 01/11/2008, -1/+16So umm... find some elderly terrorists?
- shamanlife, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1lol, that is classic. :)
- kwansolo, on 01/11/2008, -0/+12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLqCfLQlIk
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -2/+6Dr. Ron Paul is the only one who truly understands the issues at hand in America. From the economy to our personal liberties, he's the only one who's got it right.
He's definitely got my vote for 2008. Let's say goodbye to crooked, wasteful government and hello to freedom and honesty! - JusticeAK, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3The Freedom tutorial, tonight at nine.
- time4evacuation, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3RP seems to get better reactions from some of the pundits, I hope it turns into momentum through the primaries. Get off the couch and GO VOTE! :D
- Muslim4Life, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Interesting video, thanks.
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -2/+6Dr. Ron Paul is the only one who truly understands the issues at hand in America. From the economy to our personal liberties, he's the only one who's got it right.
- spyd3rweb, on 01/11/2008, -1/+62I am not cattle, and neither are you, We are not to be treated as such.
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -0/+7Right on!!!
- shamanlife, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1There are some in power who beg to differ.
- volonix, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Actually you are. No escape from your convenient lexus cages : )
- WayneBop, on 01/11/2008, -1/+107"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
--- Benjamin Franklin- musicpyrite, on 01/11/2008, -33/+2Thanks Benjamin.
STOP ***** QUOTING HIM WE'VE ALL SEEN IT A MILLION TIMES.- jefferygomer, on 01/12/2008, -0/+8I've also heard the "I before E except after C" rule. I still ***** that up from time to time.
- poiuytrewq44, on 01/12/2008, -0/+10Apparently you needed to see it once more.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T READ
- dungbeetle, on 01/12/2008, -1/+23Well until people wake up we need to hear it a million more.
- snapcase, on 01/12/2008, -4/+11First off you got the quote wrong. Secondly he may not have ever said it... the quote actually comes from a letter. Straight from the wikipedia:
""Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." — Benjamin Franklin [A]
* A phrase commonly attributed to Franklin. This quotation is an excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania, and it may or may not have originated from Franklin. See Those who would give up Essential Liberty."
Still a good quote though, and it is quite true.- chazgallant, on 01/12/2008, -3/+1the way I see it - whether the assumed author of this quote is correct or not is not the REAL ID question. The reality is that we are being asked to "smart chip ourselves" for the ADDED convenience of our government allotting huge amounts of funds to track - WHO? The AMERICAN PEOPLE...TAX PAYING, LAW ABIDING, VOTING PEOPLE.... "WHO ---- by coincidence, NEVER VOTED ON THIS TOPIC." I have personally been ravaged by criminal behavior, burglary, theft, and vandalism in my 'normal' Dallas residential community by second-generation illegals [minors gang members to add further insult to the injury]. I find this Real ID business to be another venue for seeking capital from my paycheck, in spite of the fact that the government and transportation authorities already exact a stiff price for the so-called 9-11 tax, to put my personal ID on display for techno-terrorists to snatch the identity me and so many other millions of people have worked to protect. Worse part is that we [TAXPAYING CITIZENS WITH FULL RIGHTS TO BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH] will be paying for this debacle. So, what - am I being told that if I refuse to permit chip technology upon renewal of my driver license that I can't go anywhere as a US citizen if it required plane travel? Am I being told that I cannot file, qualify for, or collect Social Security, which I have paid for better than 25 years into such plan? Last I checked, we were not required to give up our Constitutional rights to BE a US Citizen...thought the war was on TERRORISTS and BORDER SECURITY. So, then, WHY - if in Texas, your name is Rodriguez or Valdez, Do you qualify for Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and other government programs when there are people by the name of White, Smithy, Donaldson, and McKinney that are told routinely that they don't qualify (some of these people have limbs missing and are completely unemployable...and these American nationals have worked their butts off for 20+ years paying taxes to support this great Nation??? WHY are we giving these funds to illegal immigrants and terrorist scam artists who do nothing but degrade our sense of community, rape and pillage our economy? Where the quote(s) on that bit? And, who said it? Does it even matter. Let get real, this IS REAL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE USA - Vote Ron Paul, and pray he can restore our Constitutional Rights before they are completely stripped away by the government run rampant with special interests and 'deals' being made that take our rights away on a daily basis. I can't turn the other cheek anymore.
- musicpyrite, on 01/11/2008, -33/+2Thanks Benjamin.
- SemiSarcastic, on 01/11/2008, -13/+6Well ***** this. Game over man, we lost.
- Aensland, on 01/11/2008, -2/+16No you haven't, go the ***** out and vote properly in the coming elections.
- fuzzmeister, on 01/12/2008, -0/+8While I won't come down on either side of this issue, Aensland is right: if you want to have change, vote for a candidate who supports your views. That's the way democracy (or, technically, a republic) works.
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -2/+4No we haven't! Vote Ron Paul and protect your personal liberties! BTW, here's a video of him opposing the Real ID card. As always, he shines brightly! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLqCfLQlIk
- chazgallant, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2get out and VOTE - this is our STILL ONE OF OUR RIGHTS - VOTE RON PAUL!!! I believe he will restore the Constitutional Rights which have been steadily stripped from us by this OVERGROWN and OVERBLOWN GOVERNMENT. JEESH - just look at our the last 30 years of CRAP they've been snatching from the US citizens, and HANDING out to illegals like it was Halloween candy... .watched as they destroyed our communities and drop property values down and turned decent neighborhoods into Ghettos and hid behind their 'gang' mentality. GET OUT AND VOTE FOR THE RIGHT THINGS. I firmly believe in this and Ron Paul's convictions, intentions, and abilities to work a real turn around to re-award us with our rights as US citizens. Hope you are on board with this guy and a VOTER, not someone who complains all the time but then says "I dont vote because I dont think my vote will make a difference." multiply that mentality by tens of millions of citizens, and what do you get..... the squeaking wheel gets greased. the squeaking wheel IS the BIG GOVERNMENT and exactly THESE KIND OF LIBERTIES BEING STRIPPED FROM US, SLOWLY BUT SURELY.
- kronzdigg, on 01/11/2008, -6/+20for the love of god we need more paulites to run for office. Please this is the beginning of the end.
- Cytranic, on 01/11/2008, -16/+49RON PAUL!
- AaronCook, on 01/12/2008, -5/+6Exactly. Let's say goodbye to crooked, wasteful government and hello to freedom and honesty! Ron Paul 2008!
- ultraJesus, on 01/11/2008, -15/+3zomg new license cards goodbye freedom Ron Paul O8' lol
- chimobayo, on 01/11/2008, -18/+7ID´s arent the end of the world, in the country i live in, we have them and it doest harm nobody. in fact its very useful. the problem is not the ID card, its your goverment.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -1/+8We'll fight the battle we can win, first.
- IAmLegend24, on 01/11/2008, -7/+10If your born after 1964 you need the ID you tag everyone of fighting age that will get rid of freedom fighters in America that can fight the government.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -4/+0ell oh ell ing
- V0lk, on 01/11/2008, -7/+49I'm going to PUKE. What in the HELL is wrong with people? Can't we get more pissed off than this???
- and303, on 01/11/2008, -6/+5Because of a plan to make IDs more than a print on a PVC card (which I can make at home btw)?
- V0lk, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3While our rights are whittled away..... HUNDREDS OF US get pissed off......we blog in ALL CAPS for a day or two....and then that's the end of it.I'm ***** serious...we need to start making our voices REALLY heard, or else we're all *****.
- shamanlife, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1It may be already past the point of, its too late, welcome to the brave new world.
- V0lk, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3While our rights are whittled away..... HUNDREDS OF US get pissed off......we blog in ALL CAPS for a day or two....and then that's the end of it.I'm ***** serious...we need to start making our voices REALLY heard, or else we're all *****.
- brad3378, on 01/12/2008, -0/+5I had a hard time reading your comment because I put my fist through the center of my screen.
- theright, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4I'm THROWING my keyboard AROUND the place and RANDOMLY capitalizing words as we SPEAK! Can I GET more pissed off than this???
- and303, on 01/11/2008, -6/+5Because of a plan to make IDs more than a print on a PVC card (which I can make at home btw)?
- Crabcakes, on 01/11/2008, -0/+57Whats even sadder is that out of the 17 states not agreeing to this ID the article makes it seem most of them are just worried about the cost, nothing about how unconstitutional it is.
- Cerebron, on 01/12/2008, -1/+12Exactly!
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -12/+1Have you ever considered that that's because it's *gasp* not unconstitutional?
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Constitutional, schmonstitutional. Haven't the past eight years of Fuhrer Georgie-Porgie taught you that the Constitution is whatever his thugs say it is?
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -5/+0Please, Mr. Intellectual philosopher name-dropper, tell me what your basis is for believing a national identification act is unconstitutional.
- tehbishop, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Unconstitutional... Tenth Amendment states... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+0Article One, Section Eight, Clause Eighteen. Congress has the power to do what is "necessary and proper" to carry out its duties. In this case, we're talking about regulating interstate commerce.
REAL ID follows the 10th Amendment because the program is voluntary.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+0Article One, Section Eight, Clause Eighteen. Congress has the power to do what is "necessary and proper" to carry out its duties. In this case, we're talking about regulating interstate commerce.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Constitutional, schmonstitutional. Haven't the past eight years of Fuhrer Georgie-Porgie taught you that the Constitution is whatever his thugs say it is?
- Xinareiaz, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2well..in that case..Hurray for living in a poor state! lol
- Kyrgizion, on 01/11/2008, -0/+5Wow, glad to be on this side of the pacific... for now. This is no doubt coming our way in a year or 20.
- centerblack, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2And we're glad not to live in London. I'll pass on the SS polizei spy cameras thanks.
- Nikakoda, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3I think you need to learn the difference between the Pacific and Atlantic.
- centerblack, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2And we're glad not to live in London. I'll pass on the SS polizei spy cameras thanks.
- bustachops, on 01/11/2008, -1/+10oh my god - look at CNN's most popular story on the right side
- zaii7, on 01/11/2008, -2/+25Slowly but surely we are turning into lambs being led into the slaughterhouse
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Sheep (Roger Waters) 10:19
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen
Things are not what they seem.
What do you get for pretending the danger's not real.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
Now things are really what they seem.
No, this is no bad dream.
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by.
With bright knives He releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger.
When cometh the day we lowly ones,
Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
Master the art of karate,
Lo, we shall rise up,
And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water.
Bleating and babbling I fell on his neck with a scream.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.
Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home
And do as you're told.
Get out of the road if you want to grow old.
- bjornski, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Sheep (Roger Waters) 10:19
- chugger1992, on 01/11/2008, -16/+5why would you be against this? You guys aren't TERRORISTS, are you?
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -3/+0Yeah! and we ADVERTISE on SITES like DIGG, TOO!
- drakethegreat, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3of course, my first act of terrorism was going to be shooting you, how did you know?
- whyufail, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1Sarcasm guys! Sarcasm!
- darthjure, on 01/11/2008, -17/+4Who cares. Stop being so paranoid. I can't wait to get mine!
- sqwirl, on 01/12/2008, -0/+5Here's to hoping you're first against the wall.
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1You'll get yours. at the business end of a jackboot.
- Thesp0rk, on 01/11/2008, -6/+23This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
T. S. Eliot, The Hollow Men - dansvan, on 01/11/2008, -1/+22"The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification."........and harder for Americans to live freely. We shouldn't trade our liberties and freedoms for "protection and homeland security." It will ultimately lead to us completely closing ourselves off from the rest of the world. Reminds of me Animal Farm...
- osbjmg, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Exactly. It's not that hard to spot illegal immigrants anyway, it's just nobody is actually looking.
Don't even be fooled to think it will provide any security at all. Terrorists are going to scrap their plans because of some ID? I'll bet the geniuses at airport security are good enough to catch a forged REAL ID? What if your chip is just broken?
There's only one reason to use this, and it's to control us. Just don't buy into it, I am begging you people. There's no reason you should accept this. Unless, of course, you are scared of terrorists and think they will simply walk away anyway. This will breed terrorism and guess what, the gov't moves slow. Airplane hijacking is so played out. It's so easy to think of other targets. Just don't give them motive.
Think about this: if you talk ***** to everyone on the street, you're probably going to be attacked once. If you get bodyguards and continue your *****-talking, you are probably going to defend yourself against these threats - one of them may slip through one day though. What do you do? Have body guards protect you while you sleep, while you socialize? Maybe. Or, you can just stop talking ***** to everyone - that's not losing a fight, it's just not picking one. - Zarokima, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1Four legs good, two legs better?
- osbjmg, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Exactly. It's not that hard to spot illegal immigrants anyway, it's just nobody is actually looking.
- offwithyourtv, on 01/11/2008, -4/+3As long as they keep the rule that citizens from states who object can still fly with a passport, I hope the state of Washington keeps objecting to this absurd act. My passport just came in the mail last week. I can pretend like I'm going to another country when I visit my parents in the deep south, since it seems like another country there anyway.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4I'm curious... why is a Passport a good alternative? The REAL ID will be in a Federal database. Passports are, I'm betting, in a Federal database. Plus, without the REAL ID you won't be able to drive a vehicle, seeing how it's replacing the driver's license, no?
- centerblack, on 01/12/2008, -1/+7The fact of the matter is that if everyone refused to use the real id, everything would stop and these ***** would have to stop pushing us around. For some reason we can't get people to band together. Fear of losing a job i guess.
- jeffwmartin, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1FYI, even if your state doesn't issue REAL ID compliant licenses, you can still drive. You still have a valid driver's license from your state and all states recognize each other's licenses.
Theoretically, a state that does do REAL ID could pass a law to not recognize non-REAL ID driver's licenses (the way some states w/ carry permits don't recognize permits from some states), but that would be a boneheaded move since most states love tourism dollars and telling 20% of the country that they can't drive in your state won't exactly draw the tourists.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4I'm curious... why is a Passport a good alternative? The REAL ID will be in a Federal database. Passports are, I'm betting, in a Federal database. Plus, without the REAL ID you won't be able to drive a vehicle, seeing how it's replacing the driver's license, no?
- flamincheney, on 01/11/2008, -5/+12@bradbradbrad It is not the ID that is so bad. Rather it is the intention of the ID. It is nothing more than another tool for our gov't (and whoever else the gov't gives said data to) to build databases of it's constituents- if this word is even valid any longer. In addition to this an individuals every movement and behaviour can be tracked, monitored, and recorded at a higher rate than it is even now. Actions such as these are a slippery slope, and usurp our constitution by circumventing it rather than tailoring it. Why illegally search and sieze when you can make a policy that effectively does this under a blanket of a different cloth???? Hell in a handbasket is where it is headed.
- bingobongony, on 01/11/2008, -13/+2IOt is not that the ID is bad. It is that your little bitch ass whining about what YOU say the intention is for that is bad.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/12/2008, -1/+7Everything the government does or controls is NEVER misused! Never. You can always trust your government to do what's right and best and love you and protect you and... Wait, what? Sorry, I got lost in the endless spiral of dripping sarcasm. Why don't they standardize the driver's license and leave it a state matter, rather than make a cookie-cutter National ID card in a centralized database held by a government apparently run by incompetent Administrators that can't even keep a reliable back up of EMAIL! You trust them? Implicitly? Honestly?
- centerblack, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2If you don't like people whining about the government you should go to China where the whiners disappear!
Magic! - jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1So looking forward to the day YOUR little punk bitch ass is disappeared. For good. Enjoy the gulag!
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -5/+2Dude, everything is a "slippery slope". Your ideological counterparts in the 1930's bitched endlessly about Social Security numbers, too. They probably produced pithy quotations devoid of nuance (but, thankfully, not Orwell) to support their views. You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1Well it just goes to show us that the problem started with people like you way back in the 1930's!
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3Ahaha, yes, that awful Social Security number, I feel like such branded cattle whenever I open a bank account or start a new job
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -4/+1You should try living by knowledge instead of feelings.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -4/+2Says the guy whose entire arguments rest on far-flung conspiracy theories about the global elite tracking your every move with embedded microchips under your skin
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -2/+2Hey man, HG Wells is a science-fiction author. Hate to burst your bubble. David Rockefeller is a globalist - I think that's been pretty well established. I'm pretty familiar with Henry Kissinger and I've never heard his name mentioned in conspiracy literature.
But by all means, please enlighten me, and refrain from using science-fiction or materials from the John Birch Society when doing so. - amiches, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Um, are you denying that HG Wells primarily wrote science fiction, and that his nonfiction works aren't considered authoritative by any means? Kissinger being an evil dude doesn't make him a New World Order conspirator.
It's hilarious that you have the gall to call me simplistic, when you're the one who believes in a black-and-white, grand conspiracy run by an shadowy, evil association of global elites to enslave the human race. No, as with anything, the truth is a bit more complicated than people like you will ever understand. Have you ever considered that people who disagree with you HAVE read all the things you spew out, but have arrived at different conclusions? - amiches, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1And if I tell you I've read all those things, and dismissed them as the fantastical accounts of improbable conspiracies that they are, then what? Am I still a sheep or lemming or something? Do I still need to wake up? Or are people allowed to have other opinions than you?
If the CFR and the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission were really coming to take your guns and your sovereignty and implant microchips in your head, do you really think David Rockefeller would have written about it in his ***** book? Honestly, a little critical thinking. If a conspiracy of this magnitude actually existed, you wouldn't know about it. And certainly, the ancient David Rockefeller wouldn't be publishing his nefarious plans in his memoirs. - chaosium, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2"You should try living by knowledge instead of feelings."
Says the Paulsy. - amiches, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1For the love of Christ - HG Wells is a science fiction author. That's why, when I'm pointed to things he's written that are supposed to be authoritative, I point that out. It's like George Lucas writing a ***** essay on politics - should we take it seriously? Probably not, because what the ***** does he know?
I'm aware of Henry Kissinger's life. He was the chancellor of my college for my first two years there. I'm aware that he was a practitioner of realpolitik and garnered some controversy over his anti-Communist tactics in South America. I was not aware that you retards consider him to be a New World Order person. Forgive me for not being well-versed in unsubstantiated beliefs like yours.
As far as your David Rockefeller quote - I've challenged many conspiracy nuts to cite their source for that. None have been able to. Can you? Or is it just another quotation fabricated by some schizo in his mother's basement?
Call me a generalizer all you want, but if you believe that the Council on Foreign Relations is some huge conspiracy to usher in globalist government, and if you believe that everybody in power supports this vision, then you're a tinfoil hat nut. By definition. - amiches, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1dstat, did you even read the wall of text you posted? It says that Bush Sr believed that the Gulf War, as the first major post-Cold War conflict, would solidify American primacy in international and economic affairs. I don't know if that's exactly true - I'm sure we would've become dominant with or without the Gulf War - but it can't be denied that this is what occurred. The third paragraph is a recounting of an article from Foreign Affairs (which, if you don't know, is the dreaded CFR's monthly journal) advocating, among other things, slower international economic integration.
What exactly are you trying to prove? That Bush believed that American primacy would result from the New World Order? "American primacy" doesn't sound like the NWO fears of a loss of sovereignty. And if the CFR is a vital part of the NWO, why on earth would its own publication print a piece advocating for "slower economic integration"?
To me, your New World Order just sounds like a change in the international relations paradigm. It's not exactly a secret that that's occurring as we speak, and you'll get no argument from me if that's what you're trying to express.
If your big wall of text is meant to support the idea of a cadre of international bankers running the world, then you failed miserably. - amiches, on 01/13/2008, -0/+2Sorry, you're baiting and switching. There is a difference between "new world order" and "New World Order". The former is a paradigm shift in international relations, which happens every 50 years or so (fall of the Soviets and WWII were the two big ones of the previous century). The latter is a conspiracy led by identifiable individuals that seeks a unitary global economic and political structure. The former is undeniable, the latter is extremely improbable, particularly with the people and institutions you cite. David Rockefeller, for instance, controls NOTHING. He's just a rich old dude from an old money family. The CFR is a think tank, and by your own admission, publishes articles that call into question the sort of integration you claim is its secret, unpublished goal. Bush Sr. wasn't so much making "plans" for the (lowercase) new world order) as he was recognizing that it existed due to the Soviet collapse.
Look, its one thing to oppose globalization. I'd disagree with you on that (given the rising standards of living in the places that produce the goods for us "hyperconsumers"), but at least there are rational people and arguments against the phenomenon. You can disagree with globalization without buying into the CFR-NWO-Trilateral Commission nonsense.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3Ahaha, yes, that awful Social Security number, I feel like such branded cattle whenever I open a bank account or start a new job
- jsmu, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Dude, your every pathetic post is a 'pithy quotation devoid of nuance', and devoid of intelligence, conscience, and imagination. You are a wonderful argument for the validity of Arendt's phrase (go Wikipedia her, as I'm sure you have no clue who she was) 'the banality of evil'....
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2Thanks for proving my point and supplying me with another pithy, out-of-context quotation devoid of nuance, this time from a source other than the typical Orwells and Franklins. I've read Hannah Arendt, and if I recall correctly she was referring to Adolf ***** Eichmann with your cool little quotation. Not proponents of a standardized drivers' license. It's hilarious how far you tinfoilers will go to make comparisons to the Nazis.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2What are you even talking about? Every time something about FEMA camps or REAL ID's comes up on Digg, adolescents post out-of-context lines from Orwell or Ben Franklin to the wild applause of the other adolescents. That's what I'm referring to.
- Farenyth, on 01/30/2008, -0/+1I know this is really outdated for Digg, but I'm struggling to find anything wrong with the REAL ID like amiches. Anything the federal government could have done with this REAL ID, they surely could have done now. Having information like... your name?! Your... social security number?! Good God.
There are many things to keep in check with our government today, but I don't think this is one of them. Truthfully, most of these Senators are probably doing this for the benefit of us. The worst thing about this REAL ID on Digg is that I see relatively few arguments about why the REAL ID will curse us, only doomsaying. We don't enjoy it when others apply a slippery slope to us--we consider it a fallacy--and I don't think we should do it either.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2Thanks for proving my point and supplying me with another pithy, out-of-context quotation devoid of nuance, this time from a source other than the typical Orwells and Franklins. I've read Hannah Arendt, and if I recall correctly she was referring to Adolf ***** Eichmann with your cool little quotation. Not proponents of a standardized drivers' license. It's hilarious how far you tinfoilers will go to make comparisons to the Nazis.
- jasonrhouse, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1Well it just goes to show us that the problem started with people like you way back in the 1930's!
- bingobongony, on 01/11/2008, -13/+2IOt is not that the ID is bad. It is that your little bitch ass whining about what YOU say the intention is for that is bad.
- nissan4l0, on 01/11/2008, -2/+8Keep voting for Obama, Hillary, or any other Republican except Ron Paul, dumbasses. You idiots are going to ***** it up for everyone, and by the time you guys realize it, it will be too late.
- and303, on 01/11/2008, -2/+1Hey didn't we hear this from you people about Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004?
No thanks.
- and303, on 01/11/2008, -2/+1Hey didn't we hear this from you people about Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004?
- Jmuduke, on 01/11/2008, -7/+6Hate to say we told you so but..........WE ***** TOLD YOU SO. You called us crazy conspiracy nuts when we brought this ***** up 2 years ago, well who's laughing now? Ron Paul has been talking about this since the start of his campaign and people laughed at him for it. You'd better realize the votes are rigged, the media is biased and the people in washington don't care about your privacy or civil rights.
- Andy1369, on 01/11/2008, -0/+5The poll at CNN asking people if REAL ID is a good thing or government meddling's results:
52% = a good thing
48% = government meddling- thatsmyaibo, on 01/12/2008, -4/+2Apparently diggers don't share majority opinion. Hate it or not, democracy works, just against you most of you think.
- tehbishop, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Unconstitutional... Tenth Amendment states... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
- TxAggie08, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1Its not unconstitutional because the states don't HAVE to comply. The FAA is Federal, and the government is using its power to make regulations regarding air travel (IE interstate commerce) to make it very hard for the states not to comply. Also, they frequently do things like withhold highway funds (Thats's how they got the drinking age changed to 21). Its *****, but it isn't unconstitutional. Congress has used the carror of Federal money to really shrink the power of states over the last 60 or so years.
- dmightx, on 09/21/2008, -0/+1Just because the majority of the people ask for something in a democracy it does not mean it can be legit under the constitution. That would be tyranny of the majority. What if one day we all decided that you "thatsmyaibo" should be a slave? Would that make it acceptable?
- tehbishop, on 01/12/2008, -1/+2Unconstitutional... Tenth Amendment states... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
- thatsmyaibo, on 01/12/2008, -4/+2Apparently diggers don't share majority opinion. Hate it or not, democracy works, just against you most of you think.
- Corrosionx, on 01/11/2008, -3/+7Show us your papers.
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -3/+2Do you have a problem with "license and registration"? Because it's the same ***** thing. Except your little phrase is used in a bunch of idiotic dystopian movies and video games, which is why adolescent diggers are upping you.
- theright, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope_fallac ...
- amiches, on 01/12/2008, -1/+0With that avatar, you're gonna get accused of being ZOG - just fair warning. These people are absolutely nuts.
- eddy23170, on 01/11/2008, -1/+3but hey...in the future we will be an example of how NOT to let a democracy slip away...all the kids can read about it in the history books.....if this happens..i really want to start a revolution....
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