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- Jimbob200, on 12/13/2007, -1/+39I'm so glad Canada actually has watchdog organizations that can police our (much smaller) police force. I'm really scared of what's happening in America happen here.
- doublehead, on 12/13/2007, -2/+33The problem is, when a cop has a taser in hand, all a person has to do is question the cop's authority and bango!
- derek20cali, on 12/13/2007, -5/+33Don't tase me, eh!
- jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -0/+17Every day I read the news, I feel bad for our American brothers to the south.
- latrosicarius, on 12/13/2007, -0/+16I'm for tasers but not if cops can't use them appropriately. All the manuals and training from the manufacturer says that tasers are NOT to be used as a replacement for handcuffs. They are to diffuse a tense and potentially violent situation ONLY. Not when someone can't get his insurance out fast enough or lip-sasses a cop.
- Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 12/13/2007, -0/+15It's sad that congress isn't addressing these kind of issues. Instead all they do is this crap:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Bill_Introduced_ ...
Who the hell elected these guys? - Salomas, on 12/13/2007, -0/+13One can hope that the Mounties are held to higher standards. I've been to Depot, and the training standards there are amongst the strictest in the world. I was seriously shocked when I learned of the Vancouver airport incident, because I know exactly how much emphasis is placed on scaling up levels of force and when it is appropriate to do so.
- UtahApocalyse, on 12/13/2007, -2/+15Im really going to move to Canada. America has gone to *****
- dvsbastard, on 12/13/2007, -0/+13What ever happened to good old fashioned phonebook beatings?! Sure it took a lot more time and effort, but it was much more rewarding... Police these days are just lazy....
/Excessive sarcasm... - TeacherOfHeroes, on 12/13/2007, -0/+12Fortunately not only do we have watchdog groups, police training is also more rigourous in Canada. You don't become a police officer in Canada just because you can't think of anything else to do for a job.
- spyd3rweb, on 12/13/2007, -1/+13*Applause*
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -3/+15I know what you mean. I think the YVR incident was handled so harshly because it was in a secure area of an international airport and they've been drilled so extensively to NOT ***** around when there's a disturbance at an airport. If it were the same guy getting mad in a doctor's office they probably would have punched him and dragged him downtown.
Thanks 9/11, you've made the world stupid. - jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -1/+12They are not used to subdue anything. They are used for punishment. Cops are not judges.
- SlyMm, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11"Thanks 9/11, you've made the world stupid."
Amen - naterpoke, on 12/13/2007, -0/+9appeasement ftl
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+9actually they are going back to appropriate use of force.
- maiku00, on 12/13/2007, -0/+7Good job Canada. Hopefully my immature American Government can follow your example.
- busta, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6I don't really know what you're saying.
That is all. - issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6No actually, I can think of many ways of resisting that don't involve being dangerous. Of course everyone is a POTENTIALLY dangerous, but by that logic cops should taser everyone.
- jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7I would rather be hit with a billy club than a taser. At least the cop would have a more personal connection with the violence they are producing. All a cop feels with a taser is the press of a button; but old fashioned police work means they feel the reverberation of my skull coming in contact with a club. It would force them to really 'feel' what they are doing to a fellow ( and I stress FELLOW ) human.
- garths, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Hmm, is there some way you could combine waterboarding and tasering into a single device? That would be the ultimate "OMG 9/11 Turrists" method of peacekeeping.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5First of all they're the Royal CANADIAN Mounted Police. So all your ranting about the states is pretty meaningless. Also there have been other less well publicized taser deaths recently. But most importantly yes even one incident is too many, unless you've been numbed to death and police brutality. Trying to not take a jab at the U.S. here
- Richandler, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5What is so stupid is that most people get tased for things like speeding tickets. We need to embrace freedom a little more a get ride of a lot of these speed laws. The only reason they exist is to give us a reason to pay police for sitting around most of the day.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Cops are pricks! Just shoot back!
- Sketchcast, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4On the radio today they were talking about suspending use until some serious, Canadian based and government funded testing takes place. The new concern is that there hasn't been any independent Canadian testing on lethality, all data has all come from the US, and almost entirely from the manufacturers.
- issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4An according to the article, they shouldn't be used just be a suspect is resistant. Resistant doesn't mean dangerous and that's an important distinction.
- demonsnake69, on 12/13/2007, -6/+10If you question a cop you deserve to get tased -- that's how it's supposed to work, right? RIGHT? RIGHT!!!!
- brianbb98, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4I had a dream I was tasered last night. This ***** gone too far...
- Jimbob200, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4You should sign up then.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4For you and everyone making similar posts, read up on Robert Dziekanski for some context then come back and talk
- TheCasablancan, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4There isn't anything wrong with using a taser in an appropriate situation. But like most cops, you dad probably doesn't tase people for not signing a traffic ticket. It's the power hungry, bullying ***** ups that mess it over for everyone else, and could take these sort of tools away from just and honorable police officers.
"He says the electronic stun guns should be reclassified as an "impact weapon," meaning they should only be used by officers when there is the threat of death or grievous bodily harm to officers or the public." FTA.
I feel that this is a good choice of action. It lets the police do their job, keep a very effective tool, helps the public by putting them at less risk for "punishment" tasings, and busts the ***** ups that give your dad and his brethren a bad name. - xero7, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Also... a majority of Canadians don't really care about the queen either....
- JedicodeWarrior, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4Tasers make for lazy cops with bad attitudes. It pisses me off that these cops use any damn excuse to abuse citizens. They've forgotten that respect is not found at the end of a gun or taser; and abusive tactics like these create a class of citizens that the cops may have to meet up against as private citizens.
- AdmiralJimbob, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4Much like the majority of Brits.
- siphre, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6I prefer to keep them as distant cousins then brothers (or sistas')
- issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Sounds like a good recommendation to me. Making the distinction between "resistant subjects" and ones who actually pose a threat is an excellent point.
- MrSteamTank, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4Too bad that the police investigate themselves so nothing happens to those police officers that actually abuse the law. Respect for the authorities will increase drastically when cops stop protecting their own. Here in Ottawa 2 cops got caught on camera severely beating a suspect that simply talked back to them drunk. They got PAID leave until the media forgot about it then they got put back on the force. I'm in college and 3/4 of the applicants for police foundations are steroid pumping bullies.
- williamdyer, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3No they don't. Cops WILL get killed in revenge attacks. Tasers will end up turning cops into instant torturers, and will end up costing them their lives.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 12/13/2007, -2/+5Agreed. But using the taser on a guy who refuses to sign a ticket is just wrong. I've not had any run ins with the cops, but I am having thoughts about mounting a small camcorder in my car.
- captainchris, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3It may not have caused the death directly, but it obviously triggered it. Yes we are lucky having few incidents, but we can't just let it slide simply because it's worse in the U.S.
- brianbb98, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4mmm.... applesauce...
- pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3I moved to Canada for political reasons a few years ago. Talk about liberty in the Declaration of Independence sense of the word!
If you like freedom, you'll love Canada. - TheHolySeraphim, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3I'd rather be bitten by a dog than tasered. A Doberman probably wont kill you...
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -8/+11No they should abolish tasers. As long as they have them they will keep using them with no regard.
- pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Geez, when they say most Canadians don't know anything about the Charter they aren't kidding. The Queen is still the Queen of Canada.
- pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Better the Queen Elizabeth than George W. Bush, seriously.
- whataboutdave, on 12/13/2007, -3/+6I know I give Canadians a lot of crap for being royal subjects, but bravo. Seriously.
Let's hope that the recommendations are actually acted upon. - captainchris, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2that says 'CMP'.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2He was complying and they shot him anyway
- 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -3/+5If anyone is wondering why I'm being such a jerk in all the replies heres why:
Imagine a police officer is your father. Your brother. Your sister. Your mother. Would you want to risk them being killed every shift because people hear over-sensationalised stories about taser 'abuse?' I sure don't, because my father is OPP (Ontario Provincial Police)
Tasers save far more people than they hurt. Why don't we hear this? Because successful taser uses are never published. It is only the bad. Half the time the abuse is heard about, it is a victim's account, with rarely a police account. This is like basing an entire election on one candidates promises. It will be incredibly biased. Don't believe everything you see in this.
Before tasers, pepper spray killed. Guns killed. This is why tasers came into effect, it was a non-lethal use of force. Sure, tasers have caused a death or two, but these are being looked into. You don't think that the Polish man's case isn't having a formal inquest? Of course it is, and there's more to the story than you're being told (not only the police are at fault, the man, the airport). These are so unique that they should not be used as the basis for all use of tasers.
I will accept that they CAN be abused. And those police officers should be dealt with. But you know what? Police officers risk their lives every day; they have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't, who could snap. They're scared sh*tless too. So, maybe they taser quite a bit. But you know what? A taser gives a victim a 99.9% chance of walking away, a gun is basically none. And don't even begin to say neither should be used; because you and I both know a police force cannot be successful without that. Force is called force for a reason. There are bad people out there that just WON'T comply until they get a taught a lesson. Those bad people want to cause harm to you and your family, and you, me, or the police don't want that to happen.
So for the fact that police officers are people too, not just your personal blame mules or punching bags; please think about what you say. When you say "***** pigs" you are not only insulting the police officers mentioned in the article or whatever, but also every hard-working, good-willed police officer out there looking out for your safety (and they're relatives. How would you like it if I went to your work, and commented how everything you did was bad and called you obscene names?)
Thank you. -A Canadian resident whose fed up with people who don't want both sides of the story. -
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