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RCMP must curb Taser use, watchdog says

cbc.ca — The watchdog for Canada's federal police force, the RCMP, is calling for the force to restrict its use of Tasers, saying the stun guns are increasingly employed to subdue those who are resistant rather than those who pose a threat.

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  • doublehead, on 12/13/2007, -2/+32The problem is, when a cop has a taser in hand, all a person has to do is question the cop's authority and bango!
    • Salomas, on 12/13/2007, -0/+13One can hope that the Mounties are held to higher standards. I've been to Depot, and the training standards there are amongst the strictest in the world. I was seriously shocked when I learned of the Vancouver airport incident, because I know exactly how much emphasis is placed on scaling up levels of force and when it is appropriate to do so.
      • Rikkochet, on 12/13/2007, -3/+15I know what you mean. I think the YVR incident was handled so harshly because it was in a secure area of an international airport and they've been drilled so extensively to NOT ***** around when there's a disturbance at an airport. If it were the same guy getting mad in a doctor's office they probably would have punched him and dragged him downtown.
        Thanks 9/11, you've made the world stupid.
        • SlyMm, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11"Thanks 9/11, you've made the world stupid."
          Amen
    • Typhoon2009, on 12/13/2007, -11/+2Dude... I don't like subservience or complacency or anything, but come on. Most of the time you should just follow their damn orders and take it to court where it counts. Instead of getting the ***** zapped out of you.
      • naterpoke, on 12/13/2007, -0/+9appeasement ftl
      • buckrogers1965, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Chamberlain would be so proud of you. But Churchill would break the taser off up the ass of any abusive policemen.
  • Truzseeker, on 12/13/2007, -7/+3Lightly put..."curb" taser use ... sad
    • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -5/+1You know what? I like my dad alive, so I encourage taser use. Either that, or he goes back to guns, cause it'd be horrible if he died cause some idiot in his basement thought all these sensationalised accounts of taser abuse caused him to be killed by someone he could've taken down with a taser safely.
      • TheCasablancan, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4There isn't anything wrong with using a taser in an appropriate situation. But like most cops, you dad probably doesn't tase people for not signing a traffic ticket. It's the power hungry, bullying ***** ups that mess it over for everyone else, and could take these sort of tools away from just and honorable police officers.

        "He says the electronic stun guns should be reclassified as an "impact weapon," meaning they should only be used by officers when there is the threat of death or grievous bodily harm to officers or the public." FTA.

        I feel that this is a good choice of action. It lets the police do their job, keep a very effective tool, helps the public by putting them at less risk for "punishment" tasings, and busts the ***** ups that give your dad and his brethren a bad name.
  • Jimbob200, on 12/13/2007, -1/+38I'm so glad Canada actually has watchdog organizations that can police our (much smaller) police force. I'm really scared of what's happening in America happen here.
    • jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -0/+17Every day I read the news, I feel bad for our American brothers to the south.
      • siphre, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6I prefer to keep them as distant cousins then brothers (or sistas')

    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 12/13/2007, -0/+12Fortunately not only do we have watchdog groups, police training is also more rigourous in Canada. You don't become a police officer in Canada just because you can't think of anything else to do for a job.
    • TheAtomicMoose, on 12/13/2007, -2/+1Stupid Canadians and their shock-sensitive cardiovascular systems.
  • spyd3rweb, on 12/13/2007, -1/+13*Applause*
  • demonsnake69, on 12/13/2007, -6/+10If you question a cop you deserve to get tased -- that's how it's supposed to work, right? RIGHT? RIGHT!!!!
  • WTC7WasPulled, on 12/13/2007, -8/+11No they should abolish tasers. As long as they have them they will keep using them with no regard.
    • williamdyer, on 12/13/2007, -2/+3Waterboarding is safer than Tasers. Our government thinks it isn't torture. So, what would be wrong with cops waterboarding suspects?

      If we don't tolerate waterboarding, why should we tolerate cops dishing out instant punishment with Tasers?
    • garths, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Hmm, is there some way you could combine waterboarding and tasering into a single device? That would be the ultimate "OMG 9/11 Turrists" method of peacekeeping.
    • issachar, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2The RCMP don't use their guns with no regard.
    • Sornos, on 12/13/2007, -3/+2Tazers to far more good than bad. I'm not saying they aren't dangerous and aren't being abused, but they are useful. We only hear when things go bad, and naturally think they only lead to bad situations. It'd be like saying that cars only lead to car crashes. In either case, there should be higher responsibility for tazering and should not be used lightly.
    • skyfire1, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2Bring back the nightsticks.
    • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -5/+2Tasers keep police officers safe, and this is a good thing. So you can STFU.
      • williamdyer, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3No they don't. Cops WILL get killed in revenge attacks. Tasers will end up turning cops into instant torturers, and will end up costing them their lives.
        • Seeker135, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1If I were cuffed, then tased, I would deifinitely be memorizing badge numbers.
  • Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 12/13/2007, -0/+15It's sad that congress isn't addressing these kind of issues. Instead all they do is this crap:
    http://digg.com/political_opinion/Bill_Introduced_ ...
    Who the hell elected these guys?
    • Seeker135, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1I thik the system must create a lot of these criminals/thieves/perverts/totalitarians. The idiots,well, all those voters do think "American Idol" is quality TEEVEE programming.
  • UtahApocalyse, on 12/13/2007, -2/+15Im really going to move to Canada. America has gone to *****
    • pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3I moved to Canada for political reasons a few years ago. Talk about liberty in the Declaration of Independence sense of the word!
      If you like freedom, you'll love Canada.
  • pnightingale, on 12/13/2007, -12/+2Nice to see the mounties are going back to just shooting people. It was a better system.
    • nblsavage, on 12/13/2007, -1/+9actually they are going back to appropriate use of force.
    • jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7I would rather be hit with a billy club than a taser. At least the cop would have a more personal connection with the violence they are producing. All a cop feels with a taser is the press of a button; but old fashioned police work means they feel the reverberation of my skull coming in contact with a club. It would force them to really 'feel' what they are doing to a fellow ( and I stress FELLOW ) human.
      • Bamborzled, on 12/13/2007, -5/+3So you're saying if that a cop (or anyone) shoots someone, they don't "feel" what they are doing to that guy? I highly doubt that.
  • DivisibleByZero, on 12/13/2007, -6/+1Well sure. The watchdogs are threatened by tasers because they want to preserve their job security. Surely you guys agreeing with them aren't arguing that being bitten by a Doberman is favorable to being tasered....
    • TheHolySeraphim, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3I'd rather be bitten by a dog than tasered. A Doberman probably wont kill you...
      • boblazaar, on 12/13/2007, -2/+0Scared of a Doberman? Have you researched the breed before you lip off like that? You sir are a jackass. And a scaredy cat to boot!
  • dvsbastard, on 12/13/2007, -0/+13What ever happened to good old fashioned phonebook beatings?! Sure it took a lot more time and effort, but it was much more rewarding... Police these days are just lazy....

    /Excessive sarcasm...
  • derek20cali, on 12/13/2007, -5/+33Don't tase me, eh!
  • latrosicarius, on 12/13/2007, -0/+16I'm for tasers but not if cops can't use them appropriately. All the manuals and training from the manufacturer says that tasers are NOT to be used as a replacement for handcuffs. They are to diffuse a tense and potentially violent situation ONLY. Not when someone can't get his insurance out fast enough or lip-sasses a cop.
    • issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4An according to the article, they shouldn't be used just be a suspect is resistant. Resistant doesn't mean dangerous and that's an important distinction.
    • DivisibleByZero, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3You're right. Taser International's FAQ makes it very clear what guidelines should be used when deploying tasers:

      "4. What is the use of force recommendation by TASER International?
      It is properly the responsibility of each agency to set their own policy based upon their community standards and the totality of the circumstances for any use-of-force, including the deployment of TASER ECDs. Law enforcement officers on scene are best able, highly trained, and equipped to determine the proper use of force required based on the totality of circumstances in response to any given situation.
      http://www.taser.com/research/Pages/LawEnforcement ...

      Can you provide the actual document that says that, because their FAQ is being intentionally vague. I have to assume the manuals are similar.
  • jimmiss, on 12/13/2007, -1/+12They are not used to subdue anything. They are used for punishment. Cops are not judges.
  • sendbillmoney, on 12/13/2007, -8/+2Um, when someone IS resistant...they are a threat. The cop has the option of hands-on (which is not good, since the winner then has the cop's sidearm) or Taser. I don't see what's so difficult about "comply now, sue later." The better part of valor is not getting tased or shot.
    • tarzan99, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4For you and everyone making similar posts, read up on Robert Dziekanski for some context then come back and talk
      • DivisibleByZero, on 12/13/2007, -2/+1What does that guy's story have anything to do with the above comment? Does "comply now, sue later" somehow translate to "go on a rampage in an airport" to you?

        If you're going for the "he didn't speak english, so how could he comply" angle... Police uniform + weapon pointed at you pretty much internationally translates to "stay where you are and don't make any sudden movements." And order with which he certainly didn't comply. Watch the video.
        • tarzan99, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2He was complying and they shot him anyway
        • DivisibleByZero, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1They tased him when he made a sudden movement. Don't do that!
      • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+1"OMG he's on the cops side? He wants safety for everyone, not just pleasing the people? WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!"

        Thats you by the way. Just if you didn't know.
    • JedicodeWarrior, on 12/13/2007, -2/+5Agreed. But using the taser on a guy who refuses to sign a ticket is just wrong. I've not had any run ins with the cops, but I am having thoughts about mounting a small camcorder in my car.
    • issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6No actually, I can think of many ways of resisting that don't involve being dangerous. Of course everyone is a POTENTIALLY dangerous, but by that logic cops should taser everyone.
  • Emachine, on 12/13/2007, -5/+1We'll just replace Tasers with Lasers...
  • whataboutdave, on 12/13/2007, -3/+6I know I give Canadians a lot of crap for being royal subjects, but bravo. Seriously.

    Let's hope that the recommendations are actually acted upon.
    • siphre, on 12/13/2007, -3/+4We haven't been royal subjects since 1982. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Act_1982
      • xero7, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Also... a majority of Canadians don't really care about the queen either....
        • AdmiralJimbob, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4Much like the majority of Brits.
        • whataboutdave, on 12/13/2007, -3/+2She's still on your coins and is still the nominal monarch of Canada. Unless I'm mistaken she also has powers of appointment for many government positions.
          • Sketchcast, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2Governor General is appointed by the Queen, but it's purely ceremonial as it's alway on the advice of the Prime Minister. The Governor General is technically the chief executive, but in practice simply does what she is told. I imagine that if she were to refuse to sign a bill into law, that she would be deposed and shipped back to England immediately.
          • whataboutdave, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1Sou you're only *symbolic* slaves?
      • issachar, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2I must have missed the part where Queen Elizabeth stopped being the Queen of Canada. Oh, no... She still is the Queen of Canada! (Although we are most accurately called citizens).
        • pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Geez, when they say most Canadians don't know anything about the Charter they aren't kidding. The Queen is still the Queen of Canada.
    • pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Better the Queen Elizabeth than George W. Bush, seriously.
  • blitzer, on 12/13/2007, -2/+4Unfortunately the watchdog is actually a talking grey hound.
  • brianbb98, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4I had a dream I was tasered last night. This ***** gone too far...
  • issachar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Sounds like a good recommendation to me. Making the distinction between "resistant subjects" and ones who actually pose a threat is an excellent point.
    • Five28, on 12/13/2007, -1/+0That's brilliant. Lets make a policy that tries to categorize specific "threats" and "resistant subjects". Who's going to make that determination on the street? The beat cop, of course. You cannot write an effective policy for this without allowing for officer discretion. You could have a 275lb cop who is a bodybuilder, and a 140lb female cop who is on the small side. What might be threatening to the female probably wouldn't be to the big cop. Officer discretion will always be taken into consideration, and any police executive who writes policy and knows what they're doing will allow for it.
  • JedicodeWarrior, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4Tasers make for lazy cops with bad attitudes. It pisses me off that these cops use any damn excuse to abuse citizens. They've forgotten that respect is not found at the end of a gun or taser; and abusive tactics like these create a class of citizens that the cops may have to meet up against as private citizens.
    • Five28, on 12/13/2007, -3/+0You people are unbelievable! Have and of you ever worked as a cop? No, of course you haven't. Yet, you know every thing there is to know about working the streets and dealing with offenders. You could be the nicest cop and treat everyone with the same respect that you would give your own mother, and someone sooner or later is going to tell you to pound sand. Let's say that this happens to you, and you are 175lbs, and the offender is 250lbs and while not combative, is resisting your attempts to place him under arrest. What would you do? (other than soil your pants?)
      • buckrogers1965, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Ummm, get enough backup on scene to get two guys on each arm and leg and you hold his head as you easily and safely lower him to the ground and handcuff him, while treating him with dignity and respect the whole time?
  • Laytonx, on 12/13/2007, -3/+1posted 6 hours ago - http://digg.com/world_news/CMP_must_curb_Taser_use ...
  • bonlebon, on 12/13/2007, -2/+2First, you shall never question the RCMP corruptibility.

    And Second, the tasers are not a problem, discharging the damn thing 2 or 3 times in a row is.
  • HumanRecall, on 12/13/2007, -8/+1Are you ***** kidding me one incident that caused a death that in relation there is no proof it actually caused the death !!

    GIVE ME A BREAK!

    I can youtube,metacafe, dailymotion -all sorts of video sites where people are ABUSED by United States Police, State Troopers etc on a daily basis !! Also i can bring up numerous accounts of 3 times people have died in the U.S in the last 2 yrs where someone died due to Tasering !

    watch Dog my as - like i said give me a freaking BREAK !!!

    @Jimbob200

    we all live in America btw !! Don't you mean whats happening in the UNITED STATES !! Jesus i wish people would get that through their heads THE U.S AND CANADA is NORTH AMERICA !!! PERIOD !!
    • busta, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6I don't really know what you're saying.

      That is all.
    • tarzan99, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5First of all they're the Royal CANADIAN Mounted Police. So all your ranting about the states is pretty meaningless. Also there have been other less well publicized taser deaths recently. But most importantly yes even one incident is too many, unless you've been numbed to death and police brutality. Trying to not take a jab at the U.S. here
    • captainchris, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3It may not have caused the death directly, but it obviously triggered it. Yes we are lucky having few incidents, but we can't just let it slide simply because it's worse in the U.S.
  • Richandler, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5What is so stupid is that most people get tased for things like speeding tickets. We need to embrace freedom a little more a get ride of a lot of these speed laws. The only reason they exist is to give us a reason to pay police for sitting around most of the day.
    • Five28, on 12/13/2007, -2/+0No, these idiots are not tased for speeding tickets. They may be initially pulled over for speeding, but usually their attitudes and mouths cause them to act like the assholes that they are, and then they decide to resist arrest, which is why they end up getting tased. And you know what? They got what they asked for. Like a bunch of little children in need of a spanking and never got one growing up. Learn some respect for authority and act like a mature adult and you won't have any worries.
  • UnkelJethro, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2No *****!

    RCMP must listen to watchdog. They won't.
  • maiku00, on 12/13/2007, -0/+7Good job Canada. Hopefully my immature American Government can follow your example.
  • webcite1, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Cops are pricks! Just shoot back!
    • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1Yeah! Violence and death will solve this! Hee ya!

      /sarcasm
    • Five28, on 12/13/2007, -1/+0Nah, you're the dick, and your stupid comment proves it. Asshat!
  • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -3/+5If anyone is wondering why I'm being such a jerk in all the replies heres why:

    Imagine a police officer is your father. Your brother. Your sister. Your mother. Would you want to risk them being killed every shift because people hear over-sensationalised stories about taser 'abuse?' I sure don't, because my father is OPP (Ontario Provincial Police)

    Tasers save far more people than they hurt. Why don't we hear this? Because successful taser uses are never published. It is only the bad. Half the time the abuse is heard about, it is a victim's account, with rarely a police account. This is like basing an entire election on one candidates promises. It will be incredibly biased. Don't believe everything you see in this.

    Before tasers, pepper spray killed. Guns killed. This is why tasers came into effect, it was a non-lethal use of force. Sure, tasers have caused a death or two, but these are being looked into. You don't think that the Polish man's case isn't having a formal inquest? Of course it is, and there's more to the story than you're being told (not only the police are at fault, the man, the airport). These are so unique that they should not be used as the basis for all use of tasers.

    I will accept that they CAN be abused. And those police officers should be dealt with. But you know what? Police officers risk their lives every day; they have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't, who could snap. They're scared sh*tless too. So, maybe they taser quite a bit. But you know what? A taser gives a victim a 99.9% chance of walking away, a gun is basically none. And don't even begin to say neither should be used; because you and I both know a police force cannot be successful without that. Force is called force for a reason. There are bad people out there that just WON'T comply until they get a taught a lesson. Those bad people want to cause harm to you and your family, and you, me, or the police don't want that to happen.

    So for the fact that police officers are people too, not just your personal blame mules or punching bags; please think about what you say. When you say "***** pigs" you are not only insulting the police officers mentioned in the article or whatever, but also every hard-working, good-willed police officer out there looking out for your safety (and they're relatives. How would you like it if I went to your work, and commented how everything you did was bad and called you obscene names?)

    Thank you. -A Canadian resident whose fed up with people who don't want both sides of the story.
    • pyrotix, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3"Tasers save far more people than they hurt." Actually the report indicated that taser use by the RCMP is inappropriate in nearly 3/4 the cases.
    • Five28, on 12/13/2007, -1/+242Vindictive,
      I don't see your responses as "being a jerk". In fact, you are one of the few that has made any sense and used their heads instead of jumping on the anti-police bandwagon that most of these clowns love to do. I agree with your belief, and would only hope that more people would try to place themselves in the officers shoes and really think about what they would do in the same situation. It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
    • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3What's inappropriate? I mean, really? Can you really trust people who may or may not have any experience in policing define what the appropriate use for a taser is? Besides, each case is different. The standards are just not there, so everyone will be different on this subject. I'm sure because of the recent media coverage, they've made these 'standards' even more stringent to make the number appear more likable.

      Also, my comment is not relevant to your rebuttal. Many, many more people suffer no injuries at all from tasers compared to those that ARE hurt. I'm trying to establish that tasers are effect forms on non-lethal force.
      • buckrogers1965, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Inappropriate is easy to define. If using a gun is an appropriate response, then so is using a taser. If using a gun is inappropriate in a situation, then using a taser is also inappropriate.
        • TedLW30101, on 12/17/2007, -0/+0Your argument is childish. One has a greater propensity for death and collateral damage. The other, by comparison, is extremely safe.
    • MrSteamTank, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4Too bad that the police investigate themselves so nothing happens to those police officers that actually abuse the law. Respect for the authorities will increase drastically when cops stop protecting their own. Here in Ottawa 2 cops got caught on camera severely beating a suspect that simply talked back to them drunk. They got PAID leave until the media forgot about it then they got put back on the force. I'm in college and 3/4 of the applicants for police foundations are steroid pumping bullies.
      • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+2"Too bad that the police investigate themselves"
        Incorrect. There is a seperate bureau for this.
        "Respect for the authorities will increase drastically when cops stop protecting their own."
        Yes, because some random people think that the coppies are being naughty, they should leave all of their friends out to dry. Ever think that maybe you don't know everything that goes on, and maybe the story your spoon fed is *GASP* hyped up? altered? tailored for an audience? I'm sure the cops have a good idea of what happens at seen and should protect for their friends when they're sure that they're right. We don't want our police officers to be breaking laws themselves, but we also don't want them to be back-stabbers.
        "I'm in college and 3/4 of the applicants for police foundations are steroid pumping bullies."
        You're in college? Really? That's cool, im in High School. We should totally play video games or something. The sarcasm is because that doesn't matter. Being in an intellectually favourable spot does not suddenly give you some omniscient knowledge of the police force. Oh, and the applicants? You should see how hard it is to become a cop. I would know, my step-mom did the entire process. Took 3+ background checks (intensive), months and months of training, and then she had to wait to be placed. They don't just pick people up off the street you know.
        • 00Dan, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1"Too bad that the police investigate themselves"

          Can't find the damm link, but you obviously missed the story on police "investigating" themselves the other day. Usually it involves-

          "What happened Bob?"

          "He attacked me Sarge. No choice, had to shoot him."

          "That's too bad, do you need any counseling?"

          Followed by an autopsy 2 weeks later indicating powder burns and three shots to the back of the dead mans head.
    • rxbudian, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2I'm all for appropriate use of force, but these officers tasered the guy 30 seconds after they met him and these officers were told that this guy didn't speak english. Oh, by the way, he got tasered twice, the second one is while one of the officer is holding his head on the ground with a knee. A gun victim has more than 0% chance of walking away, all you need to look is the statistics of people who got shot by a handgun.
    • Ardie78, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0EXCELLENT COMMENT. NOTICE HOW NOBODY WANTS TO TRY TO CONTRADICT IT? THERE ARE THOSE IDIOT COPS THAT DO ACT LIKE ASSHOLES OUT THERE CAUSE THEY GET SWELLED HEADS. THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR. YOU ONLY HEAR ABOUT THOSE GUYS ON THE NEWS. OF THE 100000 OFFICERS IN THE COUNTRY AT LEAST, AND YOU HEAR ABOUT 100 OF THEM IN THE PAST YEAR OR SOMETHING? YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ALL COPS ARE ASSHOLES WHEN THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PERCENTAGE OF THEM, IF THAT.

      ALL POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE USING TASERS ARE TRAINED IN USING THEM AND PROBABLY HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE USING THEM AS WELL. AND ALL ARE USED ACCORDING TO "POLICY." IT IS THE FACT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW MUCH FORCE A POLICE OFFICER IS TRAINED/ALLOWED TO USE IN ANY GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCE. ALL THE "VICTIMS," DO ARE JUST CRY ABOUT IT LATER YELLING BRUTALITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF, WHY ARE YOU BEING AN IDIOT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BEING IN THAT POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE? GETTING ARRESTED. IF YOU ARE PULLING YOUR ARMS AWAY, YOU ARE BEING RESISTANT. POLICE MUST USE THE APPROPRIATE FORCE TO GET CONTROL OF YOU, WHETHER IT'S STRIKES, WRESTLING PEOPLE TO THE GROUND. IF AN OFFICER LOSES A FIGHT/WRESTLING MATCH, THEIR GUNS AND TOOLS MAY BE USED ON THEM. THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

      REMEMBER: OFFICER SAFETY IS RULE #1 AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE. NO MATTER IF THERE ARE FOUR GUYS ARRESTING ONE. IF JUST ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS GETS INJURED, THEN HE IS USELESS IF A SERIOUS/MAJOR INCIDENT HAPPENS, WHICH CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME. THEN WHEN YOU DO GET NUMEROUS OFFICERS OUT OF ACTION, THEN THE PUBLIC CRIES THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS OUT THERE. KNOW WHY? CAUSE THEIR STRESSED OUT FROM ALL THE ***** THAT THE PUBLIC CRIES ABOUT. YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYONE HAPPY.

      JUST HEARING, SEEING THE AMOUNT OF B-***** COMING FROM EVERYONE JUST SHOWS HOW OUR SOCIETY IS FALLING. THE RIGHTEOUS/BRAVE ARE BEING CONDEMNED, WHILE THE CRIMINALS AND THEIR ACTIONS ARE BEING JUSTIFIED. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE, AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW.

      MAIN THING IS... IF YOU ARE ARRESTED, JUST DO IT, COOPERATE AND GET A LAWYER LATER IF NEEDED. IF YOU REFUSE TO COOPERATE, POLICE ARE TRAINED TO USE NECESSARY FORCE TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, IN HANDCUFFS. IF YOUR DRUNK/HAMMERED AND YOUR TRYING TO FIGHT EVERYONE, ANYONE AT A LOCAL BAR. WHEN YOU ARE ARRESTED, YOU BETTER NOT THINK THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE POLICE TOO, CAUSE THEY'LL USE THE NECESSARY FORCE. THINK ABOUT IT STUPID.

      DON'T BE STUPID, PEOPLE!
  • Sketchcast, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4On the radio today they were talking about suspending use until some serious, Canadian based and government funded testing takes place. The new concern is that there hasn't been any independent Canadian testing on lethality, all data has all come from the US, and almost entirely from the manufacturers.
  • Jan2931, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2tazer= pussy's gun
    • 42Vindictive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+1Yeah shoot everybody!

      Idiot.
    • Ardie78, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0don't be stupid... shows how smart you are... you know nothing... you'd just end up getting yourself killed.
  • rxbudian, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2Some good that statement does to the guy who died. No one seems to be accountable to that incident, the result of the Police investigation sounds like they don't want to take responsibility and shifting the blame to the dead man's preexisting condition that didn't even fit the symptoms. A nonexistent policy means it's a systemic problem, and that means whomever is responsible for policies should be accountable. If this happens in a business, someone would've been fired.
  • mattewood, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2Yeah stop electrocuting us, you hosers!
  • NorthRider, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2http://www.*****.com

  • TedLW30101, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2So. In short, police shouldn't have guns, pepper spray, tasers, dogs, etc.

    Is that what it amounts to?

    Why have police if all people will do is complain about how 'roughed' up some suspect got. If you want to play the 'suspect != bad guy card' then you inherently support the argument that there is no need for police or police restraint in any form.
    • electrician, on 12/23/2007, -0/+0Your "ALL" or NOTHING attitude parrallels with these retarded tasering cops! We're not saying "Don't Police" we're saying "Don't Murder!"
  • buckrogers1965, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1The only acceptable use for a taser is to replace the officer using his service revolver. Any use where using a gun is not warranted is improper use of the taser. Using a taser as a pain compliance tool is torture under international law.
    • TedLW30101, on 12/17/2007, -0/+0The only acceptable use of any restraint (gun, taser, etc) should be left up to the officer on the front-line putting his neck out to keep himself and others in society safe.

      It's so easy to armchair quaterback every single decision others make without having the personal responsibility isn't it?
  • electrician, on 12/22/2007, -0/+0Don't show emotion toward these cowards or ZAP These freaks A.K.A High School rejects paying society back for being picked on at school? WTF I suspect they are creating a higher risk job for all cops. Even so, if the good cops can't stand up and say anything to protect the public then who are they, anyway?
  • lolo2007, on 02/05/2008, -0/+0The only acceptable use for a taser is to replace the officer using his service revolver. Any use where using a gun is not warranted is improper use of the taser. Using a taser as a pain compliance tool is torture under international law.

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  • Ardie78, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0EXCELLENT COMMENT. NOTICE HOW NOBODY WANTS TO TRY TO CONTRADICT IT? THERE ARE THOSE IDIOT COPS THAT DO ACT LIKE ASSHOLES OUT THERE CAUSE THEY GET SWELLED HEADS. THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR. YOU ONLY HEAR ABOUT THOSE GUYS ON THE NEWS. OF THE 100000 OFFICERS IN THE COUNTRY AT LEAST, AND YOU HEAR ABOUT 100 OF THEM IN THE PAST YEAR OR SOMETHING? YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ALL COPS ARE ASSHOLES WHEN THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PERCENTAGE OF THEM, IF THAT.

    ALL POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE USING TASERS ARE TRAINED IN USING THEM AND PROBABLY HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE USING THEM AS WELL. AND ALL ARE USED ACCORDING TO "POLICY." IT IS THE FACT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW MUCH FORCE A POLICE OFFICER IS TRAINED/ALLOWED TO USE IN ANY GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCE. ALL THE "VICTIMS," DO ARE JUST CRY ABOUT IT LATER YELLING BRUTALITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF, WHY ARE YOU BEING AN IDIOT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BEING IN THAT POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE? GETTING ARRESTED. IF YOU ARE PULLING YOUR ARMS AWAY, YOU ARE BEING RESISTANT. POLICE MUST USE THE APPROPRIATE FORCE TO GET CONTROL OF YOU, WHETHER IT'S STRIKES, WRESTLING PEOPLE TO THE GROUND. IF AN OFFICER LOSES A FIGHT/WRESTLING MATCH, THEIR GUNS AND TOOLS MAY BE USED ON THEM. THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

    REMEMBER: OFFICER SAFETY IS RULE #1 AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE. NO MATTER IF THERE ARE FOUR GUYS ARRESTING ONE. IF JUST ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS GETS INJURED, THEN HE IS USELESS IF A SERIOUS/MAJOR INCIDENT HAPPENS, WHICH CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME. THEN WHEN YOU DO GET NUMEROUS OFFICERS OUT OF ACTION, THEN THE PUBLIC CRIES THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS OUT THERE. KNOW WHY? CAUSE THEIR STRESSED OUT FROM ALL THE ***** THAT THE PUBLIC CRIES ABOUT. YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYONE HAPPY.

    JUST HEARING, SEEING THE AMOUNT OF B-***** COMING FROM EVERYONE JUST SHOWS HOW OUR SOCIETY IS FALLING. THE RIGHTEOUS/BRAVE ARE BEING CONDEMNED, WHILE THE CRIMINALS AND THEIR ACTIONS ARE BEING JUSTIFIED. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE, AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW. PEOPLE WILL BE WONDERING, "HOW DID IT GET THIS WAY?" WELL BECAUSE THIS CRAPPY ATTITUDE TOWARDS GOOD IS AND WILL BE PASSED FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

    MAIN THING IS... IF YOU ARE ARRESTED, JUST DO IT, COOPERATE AND GET A LAWYER LATER IF NEEDED. IF YOU REFUSE TO COOPERATE, POLICE ARE TRAINED TO USE NECESSARY FORCE TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, IN HANDCUFFS. IF YOUR DRUNK/HAMMERED AND YOUR TRYING TO FIGHT EVERYONE, ANYONE AT A LOCAL BAR. WHEN YOU ARE ARRESTED, YOU BETTER NOT THINK THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE POLICE TOO, CAUSE THEY'LL USE THE NECESSARY FORCE. AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BUST UP THEIR HANDS FIGHTING WITH YOUR DRUNK ASS, THEN THEY MIGHT USE A TASER. THINK ABOUT IT STUPID.

    DON'T BE STUPID, PEOPLE!
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