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Priest warns fascism has arrived in schools

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Lutrasimilis, on 06/07/2008, -7/+5This is the height of irony, coming from an organization that has been virtually bankrupted by the sexually-perverted actions of its own priests, and the deceitful obfuscation of its leadership while trying to save face and avoid justice. As usual, the chief party responsible for harming the Catholic Church is, in fact, the Catholic Church.

Someone ought to bring that up with the HRC.
- LadyAmerica, on 06/07/2008, -6/+4"This is the height of irony, coming from an organization that has been virtually bankrupted by the sexually-perverted actions of its own priests,.."
  
  CORRECTION: "...virtually bankrupted by the sexually-perverted actions of its own HOMOSEXUAL priests,.."
  - ROaks, on 06/07/2008, -4/+3Thank You LadyAmerica, now that I think of it. most if not all the "victims" have been male. I don't recall one female "victim" coming forward. I may be mistaken about that, I am just saying I don't know of one FEMALE all are MALE.
    - Lutrasimilis, on 06/08/2008, -2/+5I posted some examples for you, in response to LadyAmerica's claims.
      
      There are -plenty- of female victims.
  - lydecker, on 06/08/2008, -3/+4Correction, these priests were not homosexual. They homosexually molested people. There's a difference.
    - michael4lsu, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Are you saying that once a young man is molested by a homosexual, that they end up becoming homosexuals too?
    - lydecker, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2No. Being a homosexual refers to having sexual, emotional, and physical attractions to those of your same sex. Being a participant in homosexual sex doesn't mean either is or will be homosexual.
      
      If a heterosexual or homosexual male gets molested by a male (of any sexual orientaiton), the sexual orientation of the victim is still heterosexual or homosexual.
  - Lutrasimilis, on 06/08/2008, -1/+5It's alright, you've been told that they were homosexual priests by people trying to misdirect the outrage. There are a large number of female victims who would beg to differ.
    
    On 19 December 2007 a Fr Patrick McDonagh of the Salvatorian Order admitted eight counts of sexual and indecent assault on four girls (aged 6 to 10) in the period 1965–1990 in Ireland. He was sentenced to four years in prison, with the last 30 months suspended. He gave the police the names of three girls, but also admitted to assaulting six other victims whom he has refused to identify. The judge described this as "remorse" and suspended most of the sentence for his guilty plea. Aged 78 in 2007, he had joined the Salvatorians in 1955 and retired in 2004.
    
    In the 1990s, abuse by a Father Eugene Kennan (baptismal name John Joseph), a priest of the Passionist Order, originally from Liverpool, came to light. An extremely powerful man who had held high positions in the order, he had given retreats and counselled vulnerable girls over many decades, including those in care and approved schools in the 1960s. A man of great charisma, he was able to abuse girls in whom he inspired devotion. It was, however, the sexual abuse of a former novice nun that first brought the abuse to light, after which many women came forward with their own testimonies of his sexual abuse. One story he would tell the girls was that he had trained as a gynaecologist, which led to intimate physical examinations. In the late 1990s Father Eugene was relieved of his official duties and was investigated by the police, however his age and failing health saved him from prison. He died in 2002. The scandal was largely covered up by the superior of the Passionist Order, Father Nicholas Postlethwaite, who managed to keep it out of the English newspapers, though it was mentioned in the Irish press.
    
    Want some more examples? Say the word, I'll destroy the myth. Some of them are almost too infuriating to discuss, especially the ones involving pregnant kids. And as terrible and vile as that was, it's made even worse by the fact that the leadership did everything in their power to cover up the crimes and hide the offenders. Moral authority: GONE.
    - LadyAmerica, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Yes, there were some female victims, but from all the news reports, the overwhelming majority of victims -- many thousands -- were male.
      
      I do agree that covering up these horrible, indefensible crimes severely compromised the moral authority of those involved in the crimes or the coverup, and those who knew, but did not act to stop ig.
      
      However, those who truly did not know would not be morally compormised because of the actions of others.
    - Lutrasimilis, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2The news reports covered less than half a dozen major cases.
      
      You might also keep in mind that there are no female Catholic priests, or female altar boys. The vast majority of Catholic authority and leadership is male. Take the Knights of Columbus for instance. If there are no girls allowed, you'll find that the numbers are a little skewed.
      
      And no, the people who didn't know should not feel as if they're morally compromised. I really do believe that most priests are good people. It just says a lot about an organization that claims to be divinely inspired, while lying and deceiving like the Devil just to preserve its proud image. A lot of kids paid for that pride.
- chattymik, on 06/08/2008, -3/+3By your view no one from a certain group is allowed to criticize another group if their group has been involved in certain actions. I hope you hold the same standard to Muslims who criticize the US for supposed abuses and terrorism. How dare they criticizes others when their group is guilty of suicide terror. by your standards everyone in that group must be perfect in order to comment about others lifestyle choices.
  - Lutrasimilis, on 06/09/2008, -0/+4Oh, believe me, I have a lot more contempt for those extremist psychopaths than I do for anyone here. Rest assured, the moment we have anyone like that around here, I will happily side with Western Civilization, be it secular or religious.
    
    And no, people don't need to be in perfect order to criticize others, but in this case we have an organization which claims divine inspiration and the authority granted by the Creator of the Universe. That holds them to some pretty high standards, if you ask me, and they lose a huge amount of credibility when they turn out to be no better than Enron.
nippinawassee, on 06/07/2008, -3/+9I would guess that any religious person who speaks out against the demand by the homosexual community that everyone MUST recognize them as a legitimate should be castigated along with the priests who DID commit the perverted act of molesting children. WHY? Years back there was a common way of handling situations like this that, please excuse the word, OFFENDED the general public - it was called SHUNNING. You simply delete the group/person that is behaving in a manner that is against your beliefs and/or religion. There's NO WAY the homosexual community is going to force the entire nation to bow to their demands to be considered NORMAL - they may be normal to the others in their particular group BUT no way will they succeed in demanding that we not only accept but more or less be 'enthused' about their lifestyle. What are they going to do? Arrest EVERYONE? All the homosexuals end up doing is costing the states big bucks in these demands which result in jammed up legislation... all because they are so happy with their lifestyle, right? Just because this individual in this article is a priest, should he be punished for the perversion of the priests accused of molesting children? Nope.
- ROaks, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5nippinawassee, if society to include the Body of Christ continues it's complacent attitude they will succeed. Most of the leaders of this perversion do not expect to see success in their life time. Like Karl Marx and Frederick or is it Fredrick Engels their socialistic utopia they knew would not be realized while they were alive. Karl Marx is credited with saying to the effect to change a society go for the children. That is why these people want to get in our schools with this perversion. They know for the most part they can not change yours or my views on this subject. Since our school can no longer teach or at least put forth a moral attitude(it might offend someone). The schools no longer teach critical thinking(people capable of thinking are trouble makers) the homosexuals are using this climate to get into our schools and indoctrinate our children. So, the long and the short is we have a complacent society for the most part as well as some people that have no moral compass and are fighting for what they think is a civil rights issue the combination is a recipe for a big change in the very near future of our nation as well as the world. The Body of Christ is the only answer to keeping this disease. However, the Body of Christ needs to repent and turn back to God for this to happen. II Chronicles 7:14
notpc, on 06/07/2008, -4/+2The Catholics certainly don't have the moral ground to stand on, but aside from that, the truth in His Word is still the truth, whether one chooses to believe it or not.
I am doing whatever I can to think of a way that I too can be charged by the HRC's in Canada. Being a US Resident and not having been in Canada for close to 3 years, I'm hoping my return visit this summer will open a way for me to also get recognized by the fascists.
It's time to 'stir the pot'. LOL. Any idea's y'all?
- ROaks, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5notpc, I can not digg you up or down. I understand what you are saying but we do not want to rub the fur the wrong way just for the sake of stirring the pot. Just live your life as God the Holy Spirit guides. If you are doing God's will and it is public and things are as difficult as it appears you will get noticed. Just do as God leads. You don't want to tarnish the body anymore than it is(per the beginning of your post).
- chattymik, on 06/08/2008, -0/+3do you lump all Catholics together. Mother Teresa couldn't condemn poverty because the Church members weren't perfect. what hubris.
DesertDad, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4On a different tack, let's consider that the Italian fascists were blackshirts. The German fascists were brownshirts. Are the Canadians gonna be scarlet shirts or green shirts? Hey, go plaid and then the pervo-fascists and the enviro-fascists can look good while working together... .
LifeguardMom, on 06/07/2008, -3/+11It's amazing that Canada would seek to close down a Christian hospice type organization just because they don't conform to the homosexual lifestyle. They would put out patients who have been receiving excellent care from these people just because of "retraining" to indoctrinate people on the "normalcy" of homosexuality. My God, what a warped, twisted government.

Coming soon to the USA............
- Harvester1, on 06/07/2008, -2/+9Yes, it's amazing, but it's not particularly surprising. The new hatred of Christians by government agencies (and again, you're right: coming soon the the USA) by far outweighs their concern for individual citizens in need of help.
chickenbig, on 06/07/2008, -2/+12It's time for mass civil disobedience in Canada. They need to flood and overwhelm the HRCs with complaints to the point that they can't even function and then throw out all of the political bums who created that organization in the next election, replacing them with their own.
sexydarin, on 06/07/2008, -3/+7civil war in canada is one step closer.
oceanrain, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8It is amazing to see the Western countries turning to such fascist operandi. There is no such thing as freedom anylonger. UK, Canada, Europe, etc. The USA is next. The West spent 50 years fighting the Communist Bear and now we are turning into socialistic nations. Maybe the Soviets won after all? If we are going to save our freedom, we need to rise up against these organizations. Otherwise, we are doomed.
shanson13, on 06/07/2008, -1/+7 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you" (Matthew 5:11–12).

I say rejoice! And join me in praying...come soon Lord Jesus!
zortnac, on 06/08/2008, -6/+3That's pretty rich, to seriously try and use the word "fascism" when there's no individual right here that's being quashed for the good of the state. And really, God forbid the public schools teach children about same-sex marriage. What exactly could that likely mean? "Marriages are formed when two people love each other. Since some people are gay, some marriages are between two people of the same sex."

You're right. That sounds terrible. Lock your kids up! The schools are trying to MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM,
rkeyo, on 06/08/2008, -1/+7More and more people, in all walks of life, are waking up to the fact that global fascism is a real and immediate threat.
notbysight, on 06/09/2008, -1/+3Italian Fascista would be humiliated knowing of this homosexual application of Fascism....at least Mussolini and the Fascists made the "trains run on schedule"....Fascists back then would have executed militant revisionist *****.
Forced acceptance of the DISGRACE of homosexuality is RAPE of conscience for the Sons of the Living God.... there is much more than Fascism here!....It is pure Evil, the principality of the Prince of the Power of the Air, which has infected the rebellious to fight and wrestle with the GOdly and evoke revision in the Laws and Constitutional Amendments of these 2 great Christian nations.
Lawrence vs Texas...is now reaping the whirlwind in this North American continent. The blackrobes foolish decision of anal sex between man/man vs man/woman, as like and equal, is to Gods Word, apples and oranges, they are different by an eternity. Gods Word does not limit what takes place in the marriage bed between a consenting husband and wife."all things are permissible, but not all things are expedient"....but any form of sexual intimacy between a man/man is ALWAYS a "Thou Shalt Not"! they are nver permissible.
There may be an unwelcome, unacceptable and short lived, minority victory on this public forced acceptance of homosexuality, but the personal outcome is always the same..."the soul that sinneth, IT shall die"... seperation from Gods love, and into the Pit,
Obey the Word, the Word is God, it is not Grey, it is not lukewarm, it is wonderfully definitive, also the Lord will help U keep His word, it is not difficult, "His yoke is easy and His burden is lite", it will yeild the crown of Life...immortality with Him... enjoying the endless universe.
yaridanjo, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1And right here in the good old (police state) USA:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-aPFpCg6XNo
Police Called On 14 Year Old Student For Talking
feiniulacht, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Homosexuals are sick people who won't stop until they have the rest of us joining their numbers because it's easier for ***** to score a sex partner than it is for a heterosexual person. These sickos seem to be hyper-sexual; flaunting their sexual appetite, on the streets during their gay parades. The media feeds into these sick individuals when the news team follow them into a Catholic church during mass, to disrupt the service. The regular citizen is not only up against the sickos and the government, but the news media as well. Those sayings, "The squeaky wheel get the oil," and "The can that rattles the most, gets heard" are true, that's why the ***** live in cities like San Fransisco and New York, so they can be heard. They have a louder voice in a larger number and they more political power because of the politicians who pander to their sickness. They'll take us over a little at a time, and as long as we do nothing, they'll get their way.
LadyAmerica, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Lydecker and Lutrasimilis made the following statements re the problem of sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests:
lydecker 06/08/2008: "…these priests were not homosexual. They homosexually molested people. There's a difference."
Lutrasimilis 06/08/2008: "It's alright, you've been told that they were homosexual priests by people trying to misdirect the outrage. There are a large number of female victims who would beg to differ…" [several examples of female victims follow]
Lutrasimilis 6/8/08: "The news reports covered less than half a dozen major cases…."

The following 2004 article from the San Fransisco Chronicle disagrees with the above statements…
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The 145-page "Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States" was released Friday by the National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People. Among the staggering findings, 4,392 priests were accused of molesting 10,667 minor victims from 1950 to 2002.
The majority of the victims were males between the ages of 11 and 17.
[…]
the report blames gay priests for the vast majority of the abuse and points to a "*****-erotic culture" in some of the church's seminaries.
[…]
'That **eighty-one percent of the reported victims of child sexual abuse by catholic clergy were boys shows that the crisis was characterized by homosexual behavior**,'' the report concludes.
ENDQUOTE
(Source: "Clergy abuse report cites '*****-erotic culture'." 2/28/04. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/ ... discussing the Vatican report at www.usccb.org/nrb/nrbstudy/nrbreport.pdf )

(There have been more recent news reports of such abuse, but I have not had time to round them up.)

The Vatican agrees that homosexuals in the priesthood present a serious problem…
A 2005 Brietbart.com article states:
QUOTE
The Vatican says homosexuals who are sexually active or support "gay culture" are unwelcome in the priesthood unless they have overcome their homosexual tendencies for at least three years, according to a church document posted on the Internet by an Italian Catholic news agency.
[…]
The document said that "the church, while deeply respecting the people in question, cannot admit to the seminary and the sacred orders those who practice homosexuality, present deeply rooted homosexual tendencies or support so-called gay culture."
"Those people find themselves, in fact, in a situation that presents a grave obstacle to a correct relationship with men and women. One cannot ignore the negative consequences that can stem from the ordination of people with deeply rooted homosexual tendencies," it said.
ENDQUOTE
(Source: "Vatican: Sexually Active Gays Unwelcome," 11/22/05. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/22/D8E1NF900 ... )

And the Vatican's 2005 decision was reaffirmed this year as Catholic World News reports:
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The Vatican has affirmed that a policy barring homosexuals from admission to seminaries applies to all Catholic dioceses and religious orders.
[…]
the Instruction released by the Congregation for Catholic Education in November 2005, saying that neither active homosexuals nor celibate men with 'profoundly deep-rooted homosexual tendencies' should be ordained to the priesthood or allowed to begin seminary training.
That Vatican document, which has now been reinforced, instructed bishops and religious superiors to use 'painstaking discernment' in appraising the candidates for priestly training. Candidates who are identifiably homosexual are not qualified for ordination, the Vatican said. 'In the case of a serious doubt in this respect, they must not admit him to ordination,' the document added.
ENDQUOTE
(Source: " Vatican reaffirms ban on homosexual seminarians." Catholic World News, 5/20/08. http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=58 ... )

P.S. I am NOT a Catholic!
- lydecker, on 06/09/2008, -0/+3These priests were not homosexual. They homosexually molested people. There's a difference. And I don't see anything in these quotes that refutes that, it just continually mislabeling those who commit same-sex molestation as homosexuals.
  
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  [A] problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.
  
  To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.
  
  The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.
  
  Over the years, this fact has been incorporated into various systems for categorizing child molesters. For example, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposed that perpetrators' sexual attractions should be conceptualized as ranging along a continuum – from exclusive interest in children at one extreme, to exclusive interest in adult partners at the other end.
  
  Typologies of offenders have often included a distinction between those with an enduring primary preference for children as sexual partners and those who have established age-appropriate relationships but become sexually involved with children under unusual circumstances of extreme stress. Perpetrators in the first category – those with a more or less exclusive interest in children – have been labeled fixated. Fixation means "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 176). Many clinicians view fixated offenders as being "stuck" at an early stage of psychological development.
  
  By contrast, other molesters are described as regressed. Regression is "a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature behavior was actually manifested earlier in the individual's development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 177). Regressed offenders have developed an adult sexual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and engage in sexual contact with children.
  
  Some typologies of child molesters divide the fixation-regression distinction into multiple categories, and some include additional categories as well (e.g., Knight, 1989).
  
  For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women.
  
  Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..."
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  http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_m ...
  - LadyAmerica, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1Sorry, Lydecker, it won't work. The priests who molested the boys were, by definition, homosexuals:
    
    1) A homosexual is "one who is inclined toward or practices homosexuality" and homosexuality is "…manifestation of sexual desire toward a member of one's own sex [or] erotic activity with a member of one's own sex." (Webster's Unabridged)
    
    2a) The male priests **practiced homosexuality** by **engaging in sex with members of their own sex** (the boys).
    2b) Further, these male priests obviously had **sexual desire toward members of their own sex** (the boys), or they would not have had sex with them. (Many priests had multiple victims, per reports.)
    
    3) So, BY DEFINITION, priests (or any other male) that sexually molest/abuse/etc boys are HOMOSEXUALS.
    
    **You cannot change the clear & accepted meaning of the words/terms to suit your own purposes**
    - lydecker, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2There are problems with taking a strict word-for-word definition you find in the dictionary, which I will point out to you.
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      1) I will test the validity of Webster's Unabridged Dictionary definition of homosexual/ homosexuality, and work with these definitions as accepted assumptions.
      
      2a) Yes, this was a form of homosexuality. Many homosexuals are capable of practicing forms of homosexuality. Many heterosexuals are capable of practicing forms of homosexuality, and homosexuals are capable of practicing forms of heterosexuality, as well.
      
      2b) Yes, they had sexual desires towards boys. And they might also have had sexual desires toward others, which by a definition would only add words, but psychological classifications of pedophilia, homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality carry more significance.
      
      3) Yes. And with that same logic, these boys are also homosexuals, because they practiced homosexuality which is an "erotic activity with a member of one's own sex."
      
      And the preists that also molested females, they would be heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual, by definition, because they fit all three definitions.
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      Should we look at strict word-for-word definitions, or do we look at greater meanings? Is there something deeper you are refusing to see, and refusing to look at the psychology and just looking at a dictionary? That's silly.
      
      Is a true Christian one who fits any of the dictionary definition? Mirriam Webster says: "one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ" or "a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ." So, anyone who beliefs the teachings of Jesus or who is a member of a Church is a Christian?
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      You cannot change the clear & accepted meaning of the words/terms to suit your own purposes. And that's why I'm sticking with CLEAR ACCEPTED terms of homosexuality and pedophilia as used by psychologists who deal with homosexuality and pedophilia... rather than people who write dictionaries.
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