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- mkriss5681, on 11/09/2009, -2/+11Catholics are shooting themselves in the foot. I was raised Catholic. I went to 14 years of Catholic school. I had some really good teachers (even some nuns) who taught me most of the bible was crap. They told me to take the best lessons from the bible and apply it to my life. I was told you need to take the bible with a grain of salt. Look at the stories as a metaphor, and not a literal truth. The thing I got out of my Catholic teaching was if Jesus was alive to day he would be most aligned with progressive values. If you follow the teaches of Jesus you will believe in universal healthcare, a compassionate judicial system, and use of diplomacy over war.
The only thing that is separating Catholics from Democrats is the abortion issue. I know a lot of former Catholics (myself included) who have left the church because of this rift. A lot of these people are joining more liberal churches or giving up on religion all.
With liberals leaving the church in droves and the sex abuse scandals, the Catholic church is in bad shape here in America. - WoollyMittens, on 11/09/2009, -2/+10It means that you're ignorant.
- MichaelCorleone, on 11/09/2009, -0/+7As a Catholic, I believe Kennedy was entitled to a Catholic funeral. I disagree with his stance on abortion, but he wasn't the first man to support abortion rights and get a Catholic funeral, nor was he the first person to do wrong in the eyes of the Church and get a funeral mass. That being said, Catholicism goes beyond Democrat-Republican eyes. Republicans are anti-abortion, while Democrats for the most part do a better job of helping the poorest of the poor. Both are goals of the Catholic church. It's tragic when you have people on either side criticize you for your faith, but neither side is a true representation of Catholic values.
- LiquidShield, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5I think Peter Griffin said it best "BIBLE FIGHT".
- omgifi, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4Good story! I now understand the logic for separation of church and state.
Now what was that thing about forgiveness, mercy, and loving your enemy!?!? - JQP123, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4"Catholics need to do a lot more to focus their energies on God then on man's politics."
Religion and politics are half brothers. They've always been intertwined and interlocked in a struggle for power and control. They're both snake oil merchants. - thecompnerd, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2I was raised Catholic, but do not associate myself as one. I'm a protestant Christian and that's about as much as I'll associate myself with as I don't like playing the denomination game.
I'm not knocking you or Catholics for that matter, but what I don't understand is why Catholics believe they have the right to deny anyone anything. Since when did Jesus give this authority? The pope and others high in the church pretend as though they have some power that is higher than Jesus'. What kills me the most is not allowing certain people into the church. That is so far from the teachings of Jesus I just can't comprehend it. - frobozz0, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3Oh, sky cake.
- dabestdefense, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2I am confused, what is the "this" that you are referring to? You have posted a comment on the article: "Powerhouse Priests Spar Over What it Means to Be Catholic", which I would assume is the "this", but than then that means your comment is:
Anyone find it slightly ironic that "Powerhouse Priests Spar Over What it Means to Be Catholic" is directly above, "Powerhouse Priests Spar Over What it Means to Be Catholic"?
That does not really make sense, nor is it really ironic from what I can tell. - ilovegarnet, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2"but what I don't understand is why Catholics believe they have the right to deny anyone anything."
The problem is that if you don't believe all what Catholics believe, then why should you ask or partake of anything from the church (such as a funeral)?
So many people disagree with denying someone a funeral because it is so much more about supporting the living who are attending that funeral. - Cornelp, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2So you have to be forced to believe something to be part of a religion?
Hmmm, kinda defeats the purpose of religion, doesnt it?
WOW............ - 1234brandon, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Dugg because you share the same exact opinions that I have.
- dabestdefense, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Just like Ma Bell was split up in 1984, the Catholic church was broken up in to smaller pieces in the 16th century. You know, it was a religious anti-trust case. But really there were always other options that by the numbers were competitive, Islam for instance. But now just like we see AT&T eating up everything from Ameritech to Southwestern Bell, we see the Catholics gathering back up the Anglicans and the Lutherans...so we have Cable Companies today offering VoIP like we have Islam...see no more monopoly.
- pr0lixity, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1I didn't know cocaine kings could be Catholic?
(Just joshing, I'm Catholic too.) - thecompnerd, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1By "church" I'm referring to the body of Christ -- Christians. In Matthew 25 he is addressing Christians, and telling them to serve the needy. That was a bad choice of wording on my part.
There are plenty of people that do not need assistance and are fully capable of taking care of themselves. A small minority actually need the assistance that we should be giving. We're fully capable of doing so through churches and non-profits. Why develop a national healthcare system for everyone when not everyone needs the help that is described in the Bible - wadester2489, on 11/09/2009, -2/+3I think we should consult the Queen Spider. The highest authority.
- nepidae, on 11/09/2009, -1/+2Kids playing make-believe.
- eumu2, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1I must agree with MichaelCorie, not because he still believes that in America today there is "A true representation of Catholic values" other than what actually it does to itself as a true representative of Catholic values as what we see in our very eyes, but because he talks about the goals of Catholic church, which is in question today, i.e., about the catholic domain. "It's tragic," when he says soberly, "when you have people[of those who have extra energy for the poorest of the poor to control even more smoothly?] on either side criticize you for your faith...But my opinion asks me why, why you had to add "Neither side is a true representation of Catholic values? Because that makes your entire comment a sheer impulse of decaying self-righteousness, which is not so very different from that of those defenders for the Catholic minds, such as Arch. R. Burke, who no longer sees that domain or the difference between their judgment and the gods' as their oracle
- mkriss5681, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Jesus didn't preach that the temple should help the sick, he just did it. Besides, there was no "church" until 100 years after Jesus died if you look at it from your perspective. Read Matthew 25, where he said it was up to us to take care of the sick.
Besides, we the people are the government. Conservative lack of personal ownership of our government is disturbing at times. - Topkill, on 11/09/2009, -4/+5Forget about the Gelgameks?!?!
- kurtwinter, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Why I haven't been to Catholic Church in over 20 years (except for weddings and funerals).
- Cornelp, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Because they give you a purpose in life
/s - mier1, on 11/09/2009, -1/+1Well at least someone is being consistent.
- mkriss5681, on 11/09/2009, -3/+3The old "he's being possessed by Satan" gag
- alias6889, on 11/09/2009, -1/+1Anyone find it slightly ironic that this is directly above, "Powerhouse Priests Spar Over What it Means to Be Catholic"?
Nope, just me? Ok. - tmdpny, on 11/09/2009, -9/+8It's hard to swallow the anti-abortion rhetoric of the Catholic Church when even they have admitted their hand in the holocaust, a horrific event within living memory for many. Catholics need to do a lot more to focus their energies on God then on man's politics. Maybe read a bit of Matthew “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” perhaps?
- Tordenflesk, on 11/09/2009, -13/+11And WHY should i care about these lunatics?
- Propethic, on 11/09/2009, -5/+2It's like a contest to see who is the craziest
- thecompnerd, on 11/09/2009, -4/+1I disagree with your assessment.
Jesus did not teach us that government is the solution to our problems. He commanded members of the church to help the needy, both the sick and poor. It is the church that should be helping, not the government. We have been given free will to do as we please, and should not force others to do what they do not believe in. Having a government plan forces everyone to pay into a program they may not believe in.
Again, Jesus WAS for helping out those in need. I just do not believe that universal healthcare is what he had in mind. - PhoebusAl, on 11/09/2009, -5/+1Vatican = Religious Monopoly
- gagoono, on 11/09/2009, -14/+9The catholic Church is a cult.
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