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- sheeplescareme, on 03/26/2009, -23/+88americans could learn a thing or two from france, greece, iceland, etc when it comes to getting angry. apathy is deadly.
- Tecton1c, on 03/26/2009, -4/+57I guess they're making it easier for him to decide who to fire.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/26/2009, -18/+51Are we playing 'how many kidnappings and murders of businessmen does it take to make the economy work'?
Complete fail. - govsucks, on 03/26/2009, -13/+44You must continue to pay us for making products that people aren't buying!
How quick and easy it is to blame the boss instead of blaming your neighbor who simply isn't interested in what you are selling and isn't going to buy it just so you can keep your le job.
This is the logic of collectivism unfortunately. - evilregis, on 03/27/2009, -4/+26But I am le tired!
- twignificant, on 03/27/2009, -5/+25Aaah, the web-dwelling Technocracy. They hate Republicans, but they hate Unions. They love Europe, but they hate the French. They mock Rush's prescription drug habit, but they want pot legalized. They are the young. They are the proud. They are the educated to a fault.
They are Diggers. - inactive, on 03/26/2009, -27/+45I didn't realize ACORN had operations in France.
- glitchbit, on 03/27/2009, -4/+20what people actually support this crap? I am glad the US does not engage in this sort of criminal activity..
imo I would honestly not negotiate under those terms at all and would certainly fire everyone involved in a heart beat. In fact I would probably try to have them put in jail, fined and admitted to a psychiatric ward. I would not negotiate with those terrorists. - inactive, on 03/26/2009, -11/+27They should be doing it to government officials. They are the real culprits.
Businessmen are all in a desperate struggle to make money, and when they don't they are as upset as you are.
Government people sit there and make rules and taxes, each of which is like sand in the gears of the economy. They tell them what kind of products to make, who to hire (unions), how to fire (you practically can't in France), tax them to death...
They are the real culprits. - spaceddaisy, on 03/27/2009, -1/+17Actually mickstephenson they (we) do.
Like France, from the article, 25 days at 5 workdays a week (which is normal in most countries in Europe is 5 weeks off.
Here in the Netherlands it is also 25 days and it is great, work/life balance is very important to us, people who can take off from work, come back refreshed and are often more productive than people slaving away year after year. I work to live, I don't live to work.
Edit: But I agree, it has nothing to do with firing someone. - haloplayer9672, on 03/27/2009, -0/+16You do know that the French revolution took place in 1789, which is 10 years later than the U.S.'s? It was the French revolution which was copied and pasted from ours. They saw we could take on Britain, which encouraged them to take on their own Government.
- BooLag, on 04/23/2009, -0/+16Well, take a nap, ZEN kidnap ze boss!
- HorseloverFat8, on 03/27/2009, -0/+14Actually, NY Post, "the hostage" is spelt l'otage.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/26/2009, -1/+13I saw something like this in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. Everything turned out fine.
Update: The business man who was kidnapped is now free according to the latest news. - PeppermintPig, on 03/26/2009, -5/+17Because we're not a free country and the leaders despise the free market, despite mouthing the words in speeches?
- waydee, on 03/27/2009, -5/+17This is just the French, please don't tar an entire continent with the same brush. Regardless of the French tendency to go a bit over the top, unions aren't something to be scared of. The benefits enjoyed by workers in Western Europe (longer holidays, shorter working weeks and far superior rights in the workplace to name a few) are a direct result of strong unions and recognition of the effects of allowing employers complete free reign in how they operate.
I'm not sure how you define freedom either, it seems the American definition only applies to the USA but the average European would contest that. There are plenty of other "free" nations on Earth, certainly as "free" as the USA is - I don't see how you could argue that there aren't? to me the French are more "free" in that they clearly have the power to influence business and government far more than Americans seem to be able to. - plainOldFool, on 03/27/2009, -1/+13Not criminal? Kidnapping is definitely a crime.
- mickstephenson, on 03/27/2009, -3/+15Americans take note, pricks like this, spouting this ***** is why the world thinks you're all pricks. He talks about freedom, which is just an emotive all encompassing word for the dominant world view in the US.
Just because another countries ideology isn't exactly in line with yours doesn't mean they are not "free". As long as their leaders are democratically elected in fair and free elections then that country is free, if the actions of the government broadly fit with the will of the electorate that country is free, and if the electorate have the power to replace the government at regular intervals through free and fair elections then that country is free.
But the US spouts hyperbole about other countries because surely if they don't think like the average US citizen they are brainwashed and oppressed.
It's bad enough when you do this to Venezuela who elected their leader democratically, but when you do this to your supposed friends and allies it's pretty gaoling. - mickstephenson, on 03/27/2009, -2/+14What does vacation time have to do with firing someone?
- robehren, on 03/26/2009, -8/+19Looks like the future of America. We should probably be paying attention to this. Well at least the government and business leaders.
- inactive, on 03/27/2009, -1/+12Wait..... they work 35 hour work weeks, are guaranteed at least 5 weeks of vacation per year, get at least 12 holidays, no paid overtime is allowed AND they get to kidnap their bosses? That's just not fair!
- IKORKYI, on 03/27/2009, -1/+10but i'm le tired...
- miggyb, on 03/27/2009, -0/+8I'm pissed off at Ben Franklin's time machine, too.
- tavallai, on 03/27/2009, -0/+8Uhh.. the French Revolution happened *AFTER* the American Revolution (1789, if you want to pick nits...)
However, yes, the ideals for it came from our forefathers spending a lot of time in Paris.
The French, after seeing their American counterparts pull off the big coup against despotism, were inspired to take action and followed suit.
As an American in France, I can't help but feel inspired by these series of events. ;) - twignificant, on 03/27/2009, -1/+9::trombone wah waaaah::
- seltaeb4, on 03/27/2009, -3/+11@Vote Paul: "[Europeans] pretty much all get get a mandated 5-6 weeks of vacation."
You say that as if it were a bad thing... - seanstuart, on 03/27/2009, -3/+10I think we should learn something from the French. In the states, we just complain while we get robbed and sit idly while nothing changes. Those french guys know what to do.
- LeRedacteur, on 03/27/2009, -1/+8Brilliant! It's a typically French reaction - nab the boss until the company gives in. However, it doesn't make the company's issue go away.
- foucaultsvac, on 03/27/2009, -2/+9Why not kidnap useless French/EU politicians for giving them this unsustainable nanny state?
- manstein01, on 03/27/2009, -6/+13The only time the French do anything is when someone threatens their guaranteed employment and hedonistic life styles. Forgive me if I really don't care if Americans are not like them.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/26/2009, -6/+13France is a good barometer of socialist government regulation failure because they make it next to impossible for people to be fired from their jobs.
- synapz, on 03/27/2009, -2/+9What, use violence against nonviolent people?
No thanks. - ares07, on 03/27/2009, -1/+7Yeah America is an example. Specialy the Financial sector.
- repins, on 03/27/2009, -0/+6If I was in charge of 3M i would just close that factory down completely and move all my other operations out of France.
- d686, on 03/27/2009, -0/+6I moved to Europe from North America 6 years ago. I feel just as "free" to make money and live a good life here as back home. There are higher taxes, but much less hanging over people that actually limits their life... In many everyday ways things are actually much less constrained. (driving, eating, drinking, sports, etc..)
- diggstown, on 03/27/2009, -4/+9It only took 29 years, but 'Nine to Five' finally made it to French theaters.
- BillE3, on 03/26/2009, -8/+13Up to this point the business leaders had the option to close the doors before financial collapse. With "card check" and imposed union control, we will go the way of the French. As a businessman facing financial disaster, I would just hand the keys to the union boss and walk away.
- Metasquares, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5No. Kidnapping the bosses isn't the answer. If the population is that stirred up, they can democratically and peacefully demand the changes that they wish.
- gh0sst, on 03/27/2009, -2/+7FIRE ZE MISSILES!
- dstntmbrk, on 03/27/2009, -1/+6"you should be thanking them for ironing out the problems to the system America will be using in 10-20 years."
Kidnapping and holding people hostage is ironing out the problems for us ahead of time? - acknotSW, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5It does seem like a plan that was not thought all the way through.
- govsucks, on 03/27/2009, -1/+6So they want to hire people who are WILLING to do the same job for less money. And people like you want to FORCE the company to pay people who not only make demands but kidnap other employees from the company in order to force their demands on the company.
Why is it that so many collectivists believe in using force to accomplish their goals. I swear, these club carrying collectivists are fresh out of the caves and tribes.
Oh, and the "socialists" may not be in power in France but collectivism is in full frakin force. - elpohl, on 03/27/2009, -6/+11Your comment is totally sensationalist and doesn't touch the point. Of course, my guess is that you can't consult the french sources of info to get a fairer point of view of the situation. The syndicate argues that while 3M earned large profits during the fiscal year, they are decided to cut the worker base by 30% in this particular site. Instead of being fired, they want either to be in "chomage partiel" (part time jobs) or better compensations.
When the pacific manifestations stop working, but the "injustice" remains, you have to take it up a notch. The guy was liberated yesterday, nobody got hurt nor became hungry.
http://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/2009/03/26/ ... - Bubble666, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5I like the way you think, If only they where more ppl thinking in America, (Canadians also only have 2 weeks of vacations a year ). Very sad.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/27/2009, -3/+7Kidnap the guy who gave you a job and pays your salary. Yeah, ***** brilliant.
Wrong.
Try government and the banks. That's where the real criminals are. - inactive, on 03/27/2009, -1/+5No human jealousy is far worse, you tax the rich you ensure everyone stays poor. I guess for the greater good of humanity we should all be slaves to government.
- RevChris2, on 03/27/2009, -0/+4If I was in charge of 3M I would sleep on a pile of money surrounded by many beautiful women.
And let someone else handle that whole kidnapping thing. - pingudownunder, on 03/27/2009, -4/+8You forgot that they love science but they flatly deny climate change exists.
They are Diggers. - Toshibi, on 03/27/2009, -1/+5Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is selecting your slave driver. That should be obvious through your use of the word leader instead of representative. Further, it has been shown that Chavez sort of rigged the elections in Venezuela (not really a surprise).
- markgl, on 03/27/2009, -1/+5France is screwed and we better watch here in America or we'll be just like that someday.
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