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- Itamae, on 06/09/2009, -5/+83***** THE RIAA
- sockpuppets, on 06/09/2009, -1/+62I hope he wears an eye patch and parrot while he's at work.
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -4/+47What it happened 3 times in 2 days?
oh, that was just different submissions that were already here! - Skirrie, on 06/09/2009, -0/+36Just wondering if anyone actually read up on the other parties and coalitions view point on copyright.. because the European greens (which consists of 42 parties from all over Europe last time I counted)have like.. pretty much the same ideas. with the added bonus that you can actually vote on them from pretty much every country in Europe as you can just vote on the member parties from your country (you can't vote outside your country.. which sucks)
for instance their view on p2p:
* Supporting P2P means protecting our right to share
- Sharing and copying for private use is not stealing and not a crime.
- Copying is not stealing, and digital propriety is not comparable with physical propriety,
especially when producing legislation.
- For governments it is not advisable to try to impose laws that would criminalize a wide range
of citizens for privately using digital content
- In Europe, the European Commission is worried about "unauthorized" downloads. We say
there is no authorization needed to make use of our right to share.
- Network Neutrality means that all information sent on the Internet should be treated the
same way. In particular, Internet Providers must not reduce the speed of P2P
communications.
source (pdf): http://www.europeangreens.org/cms/default/dokbin/2 ... - FreddieD, on 06/09/2009, -2/+32They mentioned this on Olbermann tonight.. it's not exactly front page of the Chicago Tribune or anything, but hey it's a start.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" -Mahatma Ghandi - YorickBrown, on 06/09/2009, -1/+24No, Blackbeard and his mateys have taken the EU Parliament by storm. They've threatened to unleash The Kraken if they don't get full control. These are scary times.
Realistically, this is real. 100%. Reformation of media distribution laws. - MofS, on 08/13/2009, -2/+25How many times is this gonna be posted?
- SoulGrub, on 06/09/2009, -1/+19Sweden = win
- ruarctb, on 06/09/2009, -1/+17You mean Arrr I A A
- hawk0168, on 06/09/2009, -1/+15You are an idiot.
- AndrewDB, on 06/09/2009, -0/+13It doesn't matter. It's awesome news. :)
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -1/+12Do what you want cuz a pirate is free
- piieerrrree, on 06/09/2009, -0/+10A troll is someone who says things that are disagreeable or simple-minded with the idea of provoking people. Kind of like going on about how you study technology but don't know about this? It gives a false impression to people. No one really cares.
Also, A+++ would be trolled again - s73v3r, on 06/09/2009, -0/+10They may only have one seat, but the leader of Sweden's most popular party has already pledged to sit down with the leader of the Pirate Party and discuss intellectual property reform. That's a big step.
- Culyt, on 06/09/2009, -2/+12@MrUploads
I would prefer 100million dollar movies to burn in hell if it means the end of the crap that has been produced recently.
With that said people still go to the cinema, cam's/TS's are horrible. Even decent quality rips are lacking in many ways. People still buy DVD's and Blurays. I'm sure in future people will start to rip cinema rips digitally somehow.
Making it illegal won't stop it, its fairly illegal now and its happening, this will only increase as Internet speeds and computer literacy does. Downloading a movie used to take days or weeks, it now takes an hour. In that time you can download an entire tv series (and a big one too). A library's worth of books (I have ~30,000). The knowledge of how to get the content will be massively increased when the current generation have grown up always having broadband. The only way the law would have any effect is if the punishment was blown so far out of proportion to the crime and the right to privacy basically voided. Even then anonymous, encrypted darknets (Tor, Freenet, I2P) would make tracking people impossible, they are slow now but the internet is getting faster. People will still be able to swap discs, except by that point with increased storage space it won't be individual movies but their entire catalog of movies (Find a bunch of trustworthy friends, split the cost of a 2TB drive and ship it between yourselfs in a daisy chain).
The fact that random people have managed to make a content distribution system that works better than the one that the 100million dollar movie studios use show what a ***** outdated system is currently in use. Artists have the right not to be ripped of, but so do consumers. Today there is no reason to spend $20 on a CD, people don't want CDs, it costs nothing to copy mp3s, the only fee is the initial cost to produce them, the artist and studio costs. The rest of the money spend after the production cost is marketing and promotion, which is basically trying to convince people to buy the crap which shouldn't be needed if it was any good. Artists don't have some right to earn money from a song forever, a factory worker assembling a telephone doesn't earn a cent every time you make a call on that phone. New forms of media come out forcing people to rebuy their favorite movies VHS->DVD->Bluray (and Betamax/HDDVD for the unlucky). The next step will probably be totally digital distribution. People get screwed with DRM preventing them for playing their media the way they want, you need to buy an iPod if you purchase from iTunes. You basically even need to use iTunes to load music onto your iPod (sure there are alternatives, but apple keep trying to kill them with firmware encryption and other *****).
Perhaps media will be produced to make decent content rather than money, maybe a tax that is then distributed to the artists based on their popularity, maybe artists will do it because they actually want to and will use a donation system. Maybe the rich will fund content. Maybe through merchandising and concerts.
The fact is that no legal, moral or ethical reasons will stop filesharing, when it comes down to it, its just an idea, a concept of how to mode data. Fighting it will actually make it worse in most cases. For every website shut down, several new ones open. Every time a filesharing program is lawsutied the next one is more resitant (distributed opensource clients carn't be killed by the law, after all who are you going to sue?). All this is doing is preventing a commercial market from appearing, people could be making money. Companies like Napster and KaZaar get shutdown (although they both made more money than they lost so it was worth it) and people switch to community run systems.
There is also the bigger picture, we could have the entire worlds media and knowledge in one giant database. Every book ever written. Every movie or TV show. Every news report. Every scientific publication. From all the world, in every language. All available instantly to everyone, anywhere. People would be encouraged to use community produced content like Wikipedia, we are starting to see opensource textbooks appearing. If people stopped making text books because there was no money in it, then schools would likely step in. It only takes 30 teachers each writing a chapter on topics they know to make a book, thats 30 out of 6.6billion people. Students could write some content for marks. - jeshakespeare, on 06/09/2009, -0/+9Sweden: meatballs, Beautiful women, hockey and flagrant violations of copyright.
What an awesome country. - Gareth321, on 06/09/2009, -0/+9bucklemyshoe, are you being some kind of new-age facetious troll? There's potential, but you kind of failed that one.
- s73v3r, on 06/09/2009, -2/+11The Pirate Party isn't calling for the elimination of intellectual property, they're simply looking to bring reform and balance back to the consumer.
- Skirrie, on 06/09/2009, -0/+9probably 6 or 7 times. haven't seen one with news (tv) clips (probably 2 or 3 normal ones and fox claiming "socialists invade the European parliament again!" or something similar). then there's the daily show(5) as usual.
and then there's college humor(6) which will probably make a video about actual pirates invading the parliament or something... and then add in your random fake news site for 7 (onion or something).
... but seriously.. doesn't everyone already know how this thing works? - hpodity, on 06/09/2009, -0/+9Pirate party wins 1 million internets
- NMRgentleman, on 06/09/2009, -3/+11You can certainly pledge to make what is illegal, legal, as part of your political platform. (I think most national politicians don't really let the law constrain them anyways, but maybe that's just my libertarian-leaning Constitution-loving rule-of-law-depending cynical self talking.)
- Bloyru, on 06/09/2009, -2/+9http://www.instantcrickets.com
- KooperG, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6that's quite ingenious.... any other countries that do this?
- trucanadian, on 06/09/2009, -1/+7Just as torrentfreak has said. The pirate party is now a "major" player and serious contender (with this one whole seat).
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6the green party in Ireland are part of a coalition government.
The sold out their policies and souls for power and went from having about a 10% vote share to less than 3 in the elections.
What they say and do are very different things. - hpodity, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6dugg for particularly apt ghandi quote...
- BlackOculus, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5(Speaker): All in favor?......
(all of EU Parliament): AYE!
(Speaker): All opposed?.....
(one voice in the back): Arrrrrrr! - Culyt, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5Is it possible to vote for more than 1 party?
In Australia its done on a rating system, so you have to vote for everyone and just give the order of your vote. - Gareth321, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5A+ Piere, would be explained by again.
- terencec, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5didn't the song go "one-two buckle my shoe" btw.... not one-two-three?
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5***** THE MPAA
- Shaggy3, on 06/09/2009, -3/+8The patent system doesn't work good right now, but is completely eliminating all patents really a good move?
- Loki101, on 06/09/2009, -2/+6One hopes that they shiver the timbers of the RIAA and the whole load of privacy-invading corporate scum
- s0krat3z, on 06/09/2009, -0/+4If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
- CaseMonster, on 06/09/2009, -4/+8Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
- KooperG, on 06/09/2009, -0/+4It's almost 2 seats, for 1 country (imagine this in all 27 countries, or just take 7,1% of all seats, it would be HUGE). Then add some support from other parties like the greens and other pan-european parties and we'll easily make a real difference for our freedoms, privacy and copyrights!
By the way, this is done with almost no funding, experience, advertisement whatsoever! - TheSarf, on 06/09/2009, -0/+4Gandhi.
- MxM111, on 06/09/2009, -2/+6Good news never gets old :)
- MAGZine, on 06/09/2009, -0/+4LOL
- Skirrie, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3that's true, but luckily the European Greens actually do something.
A recent example for instance is the three strike law which those dang french wanted to implement across Europe. the Greens voted against.. also they uploaded a campaign video called "I wouldn't steal" onto the piratebay
video + small article: http://iwouldntsteal.net/
the swedish pirate party is going to have to join a group of other parties to be able to actually influence things (bigger groups get to form the commissions who get to do more than just vote on laws)
the European Greens would probably be a good choice.. if they accept them that is - Tddupre, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3Wow dupe detection fails.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Pirate_Party_Wins_and_En ... - askantik, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3I was wondering the same thing, Shaggy3. Regardless of what s73v3r spouts off, the article says (and I quote): "From there they will continue to fight for the abolition of the patent system and to strengthen the rights to privacy online."
- itsthemechanic, on 06/09/2009, -1/+4Hell yeah, I voted for them on Sunday! If you are for a free Internet without restrictions and against stupid politicians trying to ban CounterStrike everytime there is a school shooting, it's the party for you. Never mind the Pirate jokes, this is not a bad choice for the hardcore 'net geeks out there.
- Yage2006, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3Yarrrr!
- Thyris, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3I agree with most their efforts, except this:
"Copying is not stealing, and digital propriety is not comparable with physical propriety,
especially when producing legislation"
I just don't get this, if i spend months producing viable software that helps people achieve their dreams, why shouldn't I be compensated for it? I just don't understand the logic of why my hard work should be excluded from compensation simply because someone can copy the binary easily. - mogglas, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3they wont really be able to make much difference. they get 1 seat out of over 700. woudda been better to vote for a green party that agrees with them on all points, but that also care about jobs and economy and environment.....
- MarkOfTheDead, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2You have some amazing ideas and I REALLY don't want to come off as cynical, but greed and power are entirely too important to the people that matter as far as making that super internet. Not to mention the political backlashes of open source textbooks. We're the ones they don't want teaching the next generation.
Sometimes it's depressing how many things we don't have because it doesn't make anyone money. - MrUploads, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Sorry, people cannot be trusted to pay on a volunteer system.
- heavystone, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Nothing like having a movement in the EU Parliament that only has ONE ***** goal.....
- Thyris, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3it'll be cool, all those damn programmers trying to produce software for people for money to pay their bills can expect a good nothing in return! AWESOME!
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