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Parents say teacher went too far answering sex-ed questions

sltrib.com — The Jordan School District is investigating allegations that a seventh- and eighth-grade health teacher violated the sex education statute by responding to questions from students about topics beyond the core curriculum, including homosexual sex, oral sex and masturbation. They are working with a lawmaker to seek criminal penalties.

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  • haentz, on 05/31/2008, -7/+421I wonder what those "parents" would have answered their kids when asked the same questions... Anyway, this is just plain wrong.
    • benologist, on 06/01/2008, -2/+74"We don't talk about anal sex but when your mother's passed out drunk...."
    • kevman459, on 06/01/2008, -2/+115"Aren't you learning this in school? You should be learning about this kind of stuff in school, I'm gonna call them right now" (quickly exits the room).
    • wonderchemist, on 06/01/2008, -1/+37Storks
    • NavS, on 06/01/2008, -1/+27or what jimmy down the street told them.
    • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -4/+82RE: "I wonder what those 'parents' would have answered their kids when asked the same questions"

      They would have said "homosexuality/anal sex/masturbation is wrong, and we don't want you to know about it. NEVER, EVER do it, and if you ever ask about it again i'm going to scream at you."

      And that would have been it.
      • Xanium4332, on 06/01/2008, -20/+7Let me guess, your Catholic?
        • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -1/+14No, but since there's a high populace of Irish families in America, a lot of people are.
        • Melun91, on 06/01/2008, -0/+11Don't forget the mormons.
        • Herolint, on 06/01/2008, -6/+3@Melun91

          I know the Mormons teach against premarital and extramarital sex, homosexuality, and masturbation, but I have never heard them speak out about anal sex. Their stance has been to stay out of marital relationships.
        • MtheoryX, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5"...your Catholic?"

          His Catholic what?
      • bracketdash, on 06/01/2008, -1/+24As ridiculous as that may be, I bet that's what a lot of parents would actually say...or something relatively close to that.
      • mman426, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Your hands will be hairy and your eyes will fall out.
    • arcanesmile, on 06/01/2008, -2/+36it is VERY wrong for them to be getting this pissed.. but it is Salt Lake, Utah... figures.
      • Herolint, on 06/01/2008, -14/+2@arcanesmile

        I disagree. It is a parent's responsibility to teach their kids about morality and sex, amongst a great many other things; not the school's.

        How would you feel if during a class on world history, I started teaching your child about Martin Luther? You'd probably be OK with that. What if I started preaching Lutheran doctrine and reading from the Bible as part of the history? I imagine you'd feel quite differently.
        • macweirdo42, on 06/01/2008, -1/+17Who was preaching morality? The students asked questions, the teacher answered them. If a student asked you about Lutheran doctrine in this hypothetical history class, you're gonna tell me it would be out of line if you answered it?
        • MWeather, on 06/01/2008, -1/+16Sex is a biological process. It's up to the school to teach about biology.

          "How would you feel if during a class on world history, I started teaching your child about Martin Luther? You'd probably be OK with that."

          I learned about Martin Luther in school. The reformation was an important part of world history.

          "What if I started preaching Lutheran doctrine and reading from the Bible as part of the history? I imagine you'd feel quite differently."

          Of course I'd have a problem with that, as I would if the school started encouraging kids to have anal sex.

          Just teaching about Lutheran doctrine is OK, though In fact I'd be pissed if they didn't teach the Lutheran doctrine. How else could you teach the reformation if not noting the different parties' beliefs?
        • rossisdead, on 06/02/2008, -1/+4There's a very good reason why you're an idiot. Public education has no right to be biased whatsoever against something like this. If the kid asks, in a sex ed class of all things, "What's a blowjob?" The teacher should be perfectly allowed to give the answer of "It's putting a dick in a mouth".

          If Johnny McOhMyGod's mom/dad gets all up in arms about their kid now knowing a fact of life, they can either pull the kid out from public education, or beat their personal morality into their kid and hope they get their point.
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -5/+1@MWeather

          You are right. Sex is a biological process and should be taught in biology or maybe health classes. However, homosexuality, oral sex, and anal sex are NOT biological processes and should therefore NOT be taught in public education. These are issues of morality to a very large number of parents in the U.S. and they have the right to teach their children their moral views and to rest assured that their family's moral views are not being undermined by the public education system.
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -4/+1@macweirdo42

          The article brought up morality. Homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex are issues of morality and not issues of biology.

          A teacher is required by law in Utah to teach reproduction and sex at a scientific level. Talking about blow jobs, dildos, and what positions the teacher likes best are entirely beyond that scope; not to mention against the law.
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -2/+1@rossisdead

          I always enjoy when somebody calls me an idiot, and then follows that up with the most ill-informed and ridiculous statement possible. It warms the heart.

          Whether you agree or not, it is against the law in Utah for a teacher to teach anything more than the science behind reproduction and the health risks involved (e.g. aids, gonorrhea, syphilis, etc.) They can't talk about dildos, anal sex, and menage a trois.

          In my opinion, blow jobs, masturbation, homosexuality, anal sex, oral sex, and what positions the teacher thinks are the most pleasurable are all issues of opinion and morality, and just as we don't teach religion in school, we should not be teaching issues of morality when everyone's definitions are different, and normally held religiously.

          These kinds of discussions are the responsibility of the parents and have no place in public education.
        • MWeather, on 06/02/2008, -0/+3@Herolint
          Sex with a condom isn't a biological process wither, but it's a part of human sexuality. Homosexuality, anal sex and oral sex are also a part of human sexuality. And we're not the only species that practice it, either.

          "These are issues of morality to a very large number of parents in the U.S."

          So is the idea of a heliocentric solar system, but the facts are the facts, no mater what your morals are. It's up to the schools to teach the facts.
      • kelmaster1, on 06/01/2008, -0/+13It's Utah, could you imagine the hell that goes on at PTA meetings?
        • catfish182, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Its not hell. Sacrifice one goat over a pentagram during the meeting and suddenly its hell.

      • JoeBlunt, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Utah, for such a beautiful state, is pretty backward culturally. They ran "Brokeback Mtn" out of town when it debuted a couple years ago. Can't get good beer there to save your life and SLC has terrible inversions in the summer when the refineries kick huge toxic clouds flowing down the valley. The state is full of wacky bible beating holy rollers trying to impose their flavor of morality upon the masses. Freedom in Utah is not absolute. God bless America!
    • zephyr42, on 06/01/2008, -1/+80I'm sorry but my "health" class that I had in mid school was not adequate, and god knows my parents weren't about to talk to me about that sort of thing. How the ***** are kids going to learn anything if we're too scared to answer some goddamn questions. It's tough questions and tough answers that go into growth.
      • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -0/+59I 100% agree, I was lucky and had a health teacher in middle school that would answer any question asked of her in a professional and serious manner. She later got fired for similar reasons. Completely ridiculous.....
      • Herolint, on 06/01/2008, -3/+14Did you ask your parents?

        From the way you phrased your statement, I get the impression you assumed they wouldn't talk to you, so you never asked.

        Personally, I am very open about sex with my children, and I think every parent should be. My kids have asked me some pretty interesting stuff over the years, but I'd rather answer a mildly uncomfortable question than have them get answers from someone who doesn't have their best interests at heart.
        • Eezyville, on 06/01/2008, -0/+19You represent 1 in a million. good game
        • Geomancer626, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Right on, you should get the parent of the year award.
        • nepidae, on 06/03/2008, -0/+0Growing up in the "go to church every sunday" environment, asking your parents about these things isn't always much of an option.
      • Eezyville, on 06/01/2008, -2/+15How will these kids learn you say? They'll experiment and find out for themselves thats how! Great job you pathetic parents, you've open the doors. I hear Pedobear is moving to Utah. :P
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -2/+1I am very glad you blame the parents for misinformed and confused children. It is, after all, their responsibility to teach their children and prepare them for life. Public school is just a tool available to parents to teach their kids. The responsibility is nonetheless theirs (though many fail to grasp that concept and perform accordingly).
      • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Well, how'd you learn about it? The kids are going to learn the way they always have: their pers and the Internet.
      • benologist, on 06/01/2008, -3/+12 girls 1 cup covers most of what people need to know.
      • WalkerTXclocker, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2I think the problem is that a teacher can often serve a dual role of teacher and trusted adult friend. I don't think the teacher should be "teaching" what is not mandated, but at the same time I think if the question was answered personally and not taught to the class then there shouldn't be a problem. I would hope my kids have a teacher that they feel they can trust.
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -2/+1I would prefer being the kind of parent my kids can trust.

          I think it is a sad commentary on the failure of parents If kids are going to their teachers to ask these sort of questions.
        • Herolint, on 06/02/2008, -1/+1I like being buried without response. To me it says you don't agree with me, but you can't come up with a valid argument to dispute what I said. I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks.
        • WalkerTXclocker, on 06/28/2008, -0/+1Me too. But I think we can all think of times we would rather talk to someone other then our parents.
    • tafkase7en, on 06/01/2008, -1/+73Isn't that what sex-ed is about? To ask questions such as these. This is a joke.
      • doubledmateo, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0I think that kind of gets to the heart of the issue. Honestly there seem to be people out there that aren't okay with Sex ed in the first place and look for any reason to fight it. I wonder if these types of parents are afraid of sex themselves and feel threatened by it.
    • scotticus, on 06/01/2008, -0/+36I attended a high school where our health books were censored, requiring teaching of only natural family planning and zero mention of safe sex or contraception. The students in my course asked very specific questions about protecting themselves and proper condom use and the teacher had to back away from answering any of those questions. Completely ridiculous.

      At least 3 of my female friends had kids in high school and plenty of other girls I didn't know had them as well. You have to think that if these people had more information early, they could have waited a few more years before spawning.
      • Sil369, on 06/01/2008, -3/+3"had to back away from answering any of those questions. " like they were under oath or something in court...sheesh...
        • rossisdead, on 06/02/2008, -0/+4It's that whole "fear of losing their job over some nutjobs that can't handle their kids knowing that condoms exist" thing.
        • doubledmateo, on 06/02/2008, -1/+0Man, great to see how respected and supported our nations educators are. We pay them peanuts and threaten to fire them for doing their jobs.
    • Hawk2007, on 06/01/2008, -18/+2But it is wrong to teach kids creation over evolution, right?
      • insllvn, on 06/01/2008, -0/+23Sex is real.
        • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9Sexual education - and the quality of our parenting, for that matter - seriously needs to evolve, that's for sure.
      • notoneofus, on 06/01/2008, -0/+12The Constitution says nothing about the separation of sex and state.
      • MWeather, on 06/01/2008, -2/+3Teaching creationism is perfectly alright, so long as you only use facts.
      • Tahiri, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3"Teaching creationism is perfectly alright, so long as you only use facts"

        The only fact is that creationism is a myth, I'm fine with that being taught in schools
    • mike17032, on 06/01/2008, -2/+35Who the ***** asks their parents stuff anymore?

      The world of porn is on their broadband connection. If it exists, they can watch an asian chick have sex with it. Most of these kids know more about sex than their parents do.
      • JoeBlunt, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Maybe they know more about satisfying themselves and their partners, but they are not learning much about being good parents lately.
    • jerryterhorst, on 06/01/2008, -1/+13"shut the ***** up and eat your god damn french fries."
    • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -0/+11No need to wonder - the crazy ***** have made it pretty clear in the comments at http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=103893&comments=1

      It seems to boil down to anything involving your 'privates' which causes pleasure is the sure-fire road to everlasting torture.

      Actual conversation:

      Jeremiah Junior: Father, what's a blow job?
      Father: Wife! Satan is in the boy - call the priest! Tell him we need an emergency exorcism! I'll start beating him until the priest arrives....
    • crazycarlmar, on 06/01/2008, -0/+8Well duh, what else would you expect out of mormon parents?
    • count011, on 06/02/2008, -2/+4Sex Education. Clearly the words Question and Answer don't appear in that phrase. This is a penis, this is a vagina, put them together and it's Sex and that's where babies come from THE END. What else would children possibly need to know?
      Our schools are so tightly regulated it's insane. I don't think they should be able to say anything they want obviously, but it's just gotten so ridiculous. If everything is coming straight out of an strictly regulated curriculum, complete with textbooks and slides then what the ***** do we even need the teachers for?

      Seriously though when I was in elementary school and we had our first Sex Ed class, some students(me) thought it was important to ask questions not covered by the film. Questions such as "Does sex feel good?" and "Do YOU like having sex?". This was taken not very well by the majority of the teachers in the room, who hated me anyway.
      My teacher, the youngest and coolest one by at least a quarter century did answer me once we were back in our respective classrooms. Still though she was hesitant to say much, I'm sure for this VERY reason. She confined herself to answers, such as "If it's with the right person then it can feel very good." and "My husband and I do have sex(she was pregnant at the time so.. hard to avoid that one) because we love each other very much." Which was acceptable after some debate, no matter how hard I pressed her for a definite answer.

      I think it would be absolutely appropriate to have Sex Ed include some 1-on-1 Q&A. They need to superficially cover topics not on a ***** approved video, it will end up dumbing the kids down if they get the wrong answers to what they want to know.

      I hope to god she never got fired for anything stupid like that, I would cry. I want my daughters to have someone like that in their school.
    • antifreeze11, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Pillowpants
  • trumpcard, on 05/31/2008, -208/+7The teacher was probably a pedophile and enjoyed talking about sex with kids.
    • oxdeltaxo, on 06/01/2008, -8/+60Are you a pedophile? Those who are the first to accuse are usually guilty.
      • textrant, on 06/01/2008, -6/+5I see. A case of 'he who smelt it...'
      • Modulo, on 06/01/2008, -2/+1That sounds like an accusation. Wait, does my saying "that sounds like an accusation" sound like an accusation? Oh shii...
      • fuze44, on 06/01/2008, -4/+0Oxdeltaxo, that's just ignorant. If you're under 18, I'll cut you some slack.
        • oxdeltaxo, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Tell that to all the Republican closet gays, who speak out against homosexuals.
        • fuze44, on 06/04/2008, -0/+0So you take the example of a handful of people and then try to apply it as a universal? Ignorant.
    • ICSU, on 06/01/2008, -8/+43Nothing can penetrate your black and white logic, Mr. Conservative.
      • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -10/+3What makes you think he's a conservative? Anything besides stereotyping and assuming things?

        Fine logic you've got yourself there.
        • scotticus, on 06/01/2008, -1/+12"What makes you think he's a conservative? Anything besides stereotyping and assuming things?"

          That's a pretty good assumption. Particularly if the person labels someone with a healthy attitude toward sex as some kind of pervert. There is a long list of famous conservatives who have pulled those comparisons and half of them ended up being actual perverts themselves.

          Some recent examples:
          Mark Foley (pedophile)
          Ted Haggard (gay)
          Larry Craig (hot airport bathroom sex... er... wide stance)
          Bob Allen (offered a dude $20 to let him give the dude a blowy)
          Glenn Murphy Jr. (blew a fellow republican in his sleep)
          Rick Santorum (not gay -yet-. Equates homosexuality with bestiality)
          Every conservative televangelist.
    • iticu, on 06/01/2008, -3/+43And history teachers are obviously Nazis trying to brainwash future generations.
    • Ramble, on 06/01/2008, -3/+32Isn't anyone who talks about or enjoys sex some kind of freakish deviant?
      • pattyman5000, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Exactly! This is why we need celibate old men teaching our kids. They don't enjoy sex at all!
        • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2Not with adult females anyways....... gross......
        • count011, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Ewwwwwww Vajayjay! It's all gooey and weird.
    • EddyFictitious, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2Well, someone is a retard.
    • nylrym, on 06/01/2008, -1/+6I wish I could bury that more than once...
    • meuse, on 06/01/2008, -7/+1Probably a homosexual trying to win recruits. "Penis in butt feels good, try it!"
      • wacomwacoff, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2Or a teacher trying to help kids out by actually answering their questions.

        Homosexuals don't "recruit".
    • protogenxl, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Well it Is Utah.
  • janitorc7, on 05/31/2008, -10/+332This is wrong, really is.

    The teacher should have answered the questions. This is after all her job. The government trying to control what can be taught or not is a disgrace. Its better that they learn about it from a trusted individual than from the porn websites they browse, or the TV shows that they watch.
    • tehbored, on 06/01/2008, -25/+3Well it depends on what exactly it is that she said, but you're probably right. Then again, what's wrong with learning about it from porn or TV?
    • SakisRakis, on 06/01/2008, -1/+30This is a good example of why Utah is a weird place.

      Any effort to restrict the flow of information is tantamount to propaganda; painting the world the way you wish it were rather than how it actually is.
      • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -0/+10Unfortunately this isn't just in Utah. I live in ND and it sometimes happens here... Although we are a majority of conservative populace. I have heard cases happening elsewhere as well
      • Vironex, on 06/01/2008, -2/+1
    • lotsa1s, on 06/01/2008, -2/+20I'm kind of split on this issue actually. While on this case, I think the teacher was in the right, it is still up to the parents whether or not their individual kids receive sex education. Its pretty ignorant and stupid to prevent your children from gaining that knowledge, yes, but government stepping in and taking away a parents right to be a parent is far worse.

      Likewise, the teacher shouldn't be penalized for being a teacher.
      • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -0/+10Damn you for making sense! But you are right. If we deny parents the right to be parents then we are monsters. I just pray that most parents know that children need as much knowledge as possible.
        • ZenMojo, on 06/01/2008, -1/+6They don't. This is the US. Now watch as they're all homeschooled from here on out.
      • MechaFalcon, on 06/01/2008, -0/+12I know that when I went to health (and subsequently, sex ed), we had to have our parents sign a form allowing it to be taught to us.
        • lotsa1s, on 06/01/2008, -6/+1And on that form was a specific list of topics that would be covered.

          If nothing else, this could be a breach of contract, and the LAST thing I want is schools having the legal immunity to do so.
        • lotsa1s, on 06/01/2008, -3/+1Am I seriously being dugg down for insisting schools should be held accountable for potentially breaching the terms of a contract? This has nothing to with what was taught and everything to do with whether or not it was ok to teach it.

          Every day I see people on here rightly riling against government authority stepping in and messing with their lives. Parents have sovereignty when it comes to raising their kids, not the government.
      • Eezyville, on 06/01/2008, -1/+8I know a bunch of parents who shouldn't be parents. I could care less if the government interferes and ***** up the kids. Everything is ***** up anyway, why bother.
    • mrinsanity, on 06/01/2008, -1/+49Why is sex such a taboo subject in the US? This makes me want to move to Europe a little.
      • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -1/+26America was founded by prudes. Crazy European sex anyone?
        • ZenMojo, on 06/01/2008, -2/+12America wasn't founded by prudes. First, puritans were horny as hell. Second, they didn't even form a majority of the founding fathers.

          The reality is, the prudence and temperance movements were a Victorian-Era creation that infiltrated our society from the grass roots.
        • Lazydriver, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4Basically: it's England's fault. Of course, nowadays, in Russia, they talk about Aerofallosovs all the time without a problem...
      • rinote, on 06/01/2008, -0/+23We love gore movies where people are cut up into pieces but god forbid there's a visible penis or vagina!!

        We wouldn't want our kids to be depraved sex machines, afterall.
        • mrinsanity, on 06/02/2008, -0/+4I love when parents bring their kids to buy games like GTA IV and get...
          Retailer: "This game contains graphic violence, strong language, use of drugs and alcohol..."
          Parent: "Fine, just sell little jimmy the damn game"
          Retailer: "...and nudity."
          Parent: "WHAT!? Why would you sell something like that!? Forget it!"
    • LittleDas, on 06/01/2008, -0/+12It's not the government that's a disgrace here, it's the people who empower and guide it. Specifically, the residents of The Jordan School District in Utah. Blaming the government just makes it sound like it's not the fault of our (or perhaps 'my' if you're not one too) fellow Americans.
    • Eezyville, on 06/01/2008, -0/+8Can we as the anonymous digg users do something to protect this righteous teacher and punish the parents of fail?!
    • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3"Its better that they learn about it from a trusted individual than from the porn websites they browse, or the TV shows that they watch."

      That might be true, but I wouldn't demonize porn or television. They can also be valuable resources.
    • dlsspy, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7It's stuff like this that really frightens me: ``teacher gave students information ... that isn't allowed under state law''

      Has anyone actually heard themselves say that out loud?
  • killbert24, on 05/31/2008, -8/+407I just want to know what the teacher said in response to the questions. If a kid asked "Is masturbation okay?" and the teacher responded by saying "Yes masturbation is great. You should do it all the time, whenever you can. In fact, you should do it right now in class! And women love it when you masturbate into their mouths! Open wide Jenny!" then that would be inappropriate. However, if the answers were sensible and mature then the parents are just ignorant asses.
    • dantidote, on 06/01/2008, -6/+165Jenny is a whore
    • unconfirmed, on 06/01/2008, -3/+46Jenny was a friend of mine
      • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -10/+1Ugh. . .I got that "Jenny From The Block" song stuck in my head.

        /facepalm
        • specialK16, on 06/01/2008, -2/+4(from the Bronx!)

          lolwtf.

          unconfirmed is talking about a song from The Killers actually.
      • plr4ever, on 06/01/2008, -6/+3She was pretty friendly to me
      • knuckles, on 06/01/2008, -6/+1I wish I was Jenny's girl.
      • sneakerelph, on 06/01/2008, -3/+8Oh, come on.
      • EddietheHated, on 06/01/2008, -1/+7Oh, come on, oh come on.

        I know my rights, I've been here all day and it's time...
      • hmunkey, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Dugg for The Killers reference.
    • Dustin00, on 06/01/2008, -3/+117If you don't enjoy masturbation, you have only yourself to blame.
      • bracketdash, on 06/01/2008, -0/+22That's the saddest and truest thing I've read all day.
      • cupid311, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5Best Comment Ever
      • logicet, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7Way to go. You just created more Emo kids.
    • pattyman5000, on 06/01/2008, -1/+35Agreed. My old sex ed teacher told us that masturbation was disgusting and not to do it.

      Sometimes it's just easier to ask a teacher (or just someone other than your parents) about that kind of stuff, and we need people answering who will be forthright and truthful, not embarrassed and ignorant.
      • trademaak, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9Well, he was wrong, because actually scientists have proven masturbation is healthy, especially for men. It has something to do with hormones, I believe. Also, that is why some animals are castrated, because if they don't get sex, they might have health issues and become aggresive or even mad searching for a mate.
    • DJafrodijiak, on 06/01/2008, -16/+2Jenny's got a gun... BOO CHHHhh..
    • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9I married Jenny, you *****.
    • speanort, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2If you are looking for a good time, call Jenny (867-5309).
  • lorem1000, on 05/31/2008, -6/+202This teacher got a myspace or something? I still have questions.
  • seabass341, on 06/01/2008, -62/+12My sex ed teacher was a pretty cool guy. He touched us and said that this was how we "learned to do sex right." Best teacher I ever had.

    Actually... Now that I think about it im pretty sure he was a gay pedophile...
    • einrobstein, on 06/01/2008, -4/+24I think they have to come up with some sort of word that specifically denotes pedophiles which are attracted to male children and a different one for female children. Your teacher was definitely a pedophile, but I don't know if the fact that he was attracted to boys actually makes him "gay". There's the niggling insinuation that gay men tend to be pedophiles which I find improper.
      • 808ethan, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1There may be something to that image. One theory of homosexuality states that it is simply a desire to stay a child permanently. A perfectly understandable thing in my opinion. Anyway, before puberty boys only play with boys and girls only play with girls.

        So if you think of a guy simply being focused on his youth, like young & like male are part of the same thing.

        This could be a crap theory, but it is one possibility.
    • iamnobody8614, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1http://www.break.com/index/really-creepy-sex-abuse ...
    • frisk415, on 06/02/2008, -1/+2Had you left out the last line your comment might have been funny.
  • sloworbit, on 06/01/2008, -8/+78Joey "Do You Like Gladiator Movies?"
    • pilot3033, on 06/01/2008, -2/+27...have you ever seen a grown man naked?
      • dsmx, on 06/01/2008, -1/+21Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
        • D4rkDrago0n, on 06/01/2008, -2/+2Have you ever.... aw hell, there's no beating that one.
        • antonio97b, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5Have you ever been in a cockpit before?
        • protogenxl, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Wait a minute. I know you. You're Kareem Abdul-Jabar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.
      • dynelol, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3One of the funniest moments in movie history.
  • czeman, on 06/01/2008, -21/+54"Boys, have any of you seen my penis?"
    • Aeomyr, on 06/01/2008, -30/+1Unfortunately the uneducated yobs that don't get this may digg you down.
      • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -2/+35How does not watching South Park make somebody an "uneducated yob" ?
        • bracketdash, on 06/01/2008, -8/+4Okay, it may not make someone an uneducated yob, but it's certainly unpatriotic to not watch South Park.
      • rinote, on 06/01/2008, -0/+14what the ***** is a yob?
        • thecatcantalk, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5"Yob": British slang for a wigger.
        • Laughsatyou, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3what the ***** is a wigger?
        • Frustian, on 06/02/2008, -1/+2A wigger is generally* a white person who acts like a stereotypical black person (gangsta, or hip-hop, etc.)
        • Laughsatyou, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1you could'nt even say white *****. dugg down for being a PC pussy.
      • czeman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3I'm just glad someone got it! lol
    • Kali075, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Ow, that made my brains hurt,
      ouch.
  • ichbeineinrcg, on 06/01/2008, -2/+190I had to teach the 4th grade growth and development lesson this year at my school. It's a special kind of hell.

    My heart is with the teacher on this one.
    • kelmaster1, on 06/01/2008, -0/+13Ya, it's great when the teachers have to do everything the parents suck at or are to scared to do and the parents are very vocal about how they want it done
    • fuzzybeard, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9God, I remember that! The boys got sent outside for an extra recess period; the girls were herded into the gym (glass in the doors were covered up, of course) and they had to watch The Movie (caps mine). Totally surreal experience.
    • BedPost, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6I'm sure this doesn't mean much seeing as we've never met, but I was one of those giggly, laugh at every mention of penis, ask stupid question kids in 4th grade.

      I'm truly sorry. You taught me valuable life lessons that my parents would NEVER teach me, and you deserve a reward for teaching one of the most awkward subjects. Thank you for being more mature than I'll ever be (I doubt I could ever teach one of those classes.)

      Teachers deserve so much more credit, compensation, everything, than they receive. Thank you for being a good teacher, and a good person.
  • coffee200am, on 06/01/2008, -48/+7What if there were Muslim kids in the class? The teacher would be gone in ten seconds. We can not offend these people.
    • NachoBusiness, on 06/01/2008, -2/+37What if the teacher was a bicycle? She could have just coasted right out of there.

      Good god, does someone have to post their personal pet peeve to every thread, even if it has nothing to do with the article?
      • coffee200am, on 06/01/2008, -24/+1Your sensitive!
        • NachoBusiness, on 06/01/2008, -2/+44My sensitive what?

          You + are = you're
          your = something that belongs to you
        • Fighty, on 06/01/2008, -1/+11I'm digging NachoBusiness, simply for awesomeness.

      • BitKid, on 06/01/2008, -2/+14If the teacher is a bicycle then everybody gets a ride.
    • BaseballGuyCAA, on 06/01/2008, -2/+9***** you. We can offend whoever we want. Deal with it.
    • dumpyhumpy, on 06/01/2008, -3/+4You're an idiot
  • SniperZero, on 06/01/2008, -27/+18Without reading the article yet this is just fkn stupid. How else are the kids meant to fkn learn? Like 80% of parents don't talk to their kids about sex so WTF...

    Oh thats right they can learn from porn... porn like goatse, 2girls1cup etc... I am sure they will fit into society... it is uptight fkn parents that screw kids lives these days.
    • SniperZero, on 06/01/2008, -7/+7Now that I have read the article wtf... I learnt about masturbation in like 5th grade. and the other stuff mentioned in like the next year or 2... this is just completely fkn stupid ***** you retarded parents and school curriculum. In my eyes there is nothing wrong with this at all.. My teachers told us kids anything we asked. Isn't it better to learn from someone who knows about the topic and not just some c-grade porn movie?
      • trademaak, on 06/01/2008, -0/+0In 5th grade? LOL, you are a slow learner!
      • SniperZero, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1huh? I was 9 in 5th grade.
        Don't tell me you were one of these kids that lost their virginity at the age of 10?
        oh thats right no one on digg has had sex my bad.
    • KillerJ59J, on 06/01/2008, -2/+17SniperZero, you have excellent points, but you made them in such ignorant tongue. Try losing all the 'likes' and 'fkns.' I agree with you 100%, though.
      • SniperZero, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Haha, boredom makes one want to just stir ***** :p
    • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -2/+8So based on your sentence structure.... you learned about this stuff two years ago? As far as I know, if I was a kid when 2 girls 1 cup came out and I thought THAT represented porn, I'd never watch porn. Ever.
      • SniperZero, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1... kids grow up with only what they see. If they think its right then its going to be right for the rest of their lives.

        And no, I didn't learn about this stuff 2 years ago.
    • specialK16, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Yeah, like totally fkn fk!!!

    • SniperZero, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1ROFL No acually I graduated long long time ago. I just like stiring ***** hahaha.

      HAHAH I am still laughing at what you guys said.
  • georgemason01, on 06/01/2008, -37/+196Blame the Bible.
    • BaseballGuyCAA, on 06/01/2008, -11/+25I already do for every problem of social intolerance or behavior repression. This is just another straw on the haystack.
      • DifferentAngle, on 06/01/2008, -1/+0I cant tell if that's supposed to be sarcastic...
    • xtinamo, on 06/01/2008, -7/+41Blame the people who take the Bible literally.
    • music2play1, on 06/01/2008, -9/+7look at the paper this article was printed in, it's worse then the bible its the book of mormon..
    • SakisRakis, on 06/01/2008, -4/+20Or, in this case, the Book of Mormon as well. Go go Salt Lake City.
    • teknotant, on 06/01/2008, -15/+21The bible is not to blame. Its the crazy people that read it and make up their own outlandish interpretations. The bible is an insightfully book regardless if you believe or not. To bad its used as a tool to get simple minded individuals to think like total idiots.
      • betterth, on 06/01/2008, -2/+15Oh it totally is!

        I love the part where it legitimizes genocide, rationalizes hatred, and marginalizes any race that isn't "god's chosen people".

        The parts where God pretends to be 'all loving' but really hates anyone who doesn't bow to his every whim are the best parts IMO.

        Certainly is a *good read*.
      • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -3/+3Insightful? Sure, insightful in to the thinking of a few dumb as dirt desert dwellers....
      • bungoman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4Calling the Bible insightful is just a cop out for people who are too afraid to give it direct criticism. The problem lies both with the Bible and those interpreting it.
    • AtWorkSurfer, on 06/01/2008, -4/+5I recall watching sex ed videos (16mm film, actually) on at least one occasion at youth group at my church. But I grew up in a fairly progressive community.
    • specialK16, on 06/01/2008, -5/+17This was the kind of comment I was waiting for. Believe me, I know many Christians that are more open to Sex topics than most freaks out there. Religion is not the issue here, it is crazy parents who won't accept their children growth.
      • Fartag, on 06/01/2008, -3/+13Well it has the hallmark of religious influence doesn't it? In other words, how much would you bet that there are _any_ non-religious people demanding the teacher be fired or put in prison in this case? Clearly not all religious people take their religion seriously and so become more moderate, but the vast majority of those encouraging more bodily shame in life, law and education come from the religious camp.
        • lemur, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6I really do think that there are some non-religious parents who are objecting to it. The thing is that sex generally tends to freak out a lot of people and make them incredibly uncomfortable. I don't think a person's religious affiliation is going to change that about their personality, though it does arm with with a rationale to justify it.

          Another issue is that the fact that they are parents means that they already have had experience with sex, and that doesn't necessarily make it a good experience. In my life, all the people I met who appeared to genuinely hate sex were married, and I suspect it was because they hated their spouses and/or parenthood.

          Conversely, I never met a childless person who wasn't obsessed with sex. That's nature for you. :-)
        • Fartag, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Good points, lemur. There are indeed significant influences from our evolutionary past too. Pregnancy during times of insufficient resources, or trouble with disease transmission, or the _significant_ trouble caused by inbreeding in our evolutionary past probably helps explain why there isn't sex everywhere in public (even if not illegal) in even secular societies, and is probably the primal source of discomfort of discussing these things within the family for even non-religious families.

          I can't imagine, for example, _ever_ wanting to discuss oral sex techniques with my parents. *shudder*. That's clearly a better "job" for the Internet.

          But when this natural suppression is amped up to the unreasonable. When the "shame" factor goes through the roof, then religion, I'm still placing my bets, is to blame. What reasonable person wants to send someone to prison for answering explicit questions? I'd think none would be the answer there.
        • specialK16, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1"What reasonable person wants to send someone to prison for answering explicit questions? I'd think none would be the answer there."

          I understand your question here, but you'd be surprised on how many people, even non-religious persons, will freak out and close their heads to sexual topics. This problem goes along with ignorance, and yes, in many cases religion also goes in hand with ignorance, but when it comes to sex topics, even non-religious people tend to freak out, especially parents.
    • NeelxSarkar, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5Blame Canada!
      • 7m7uf, on 06/01/2008, -2/+2Damn you... That song is now going to be playing in my head all day.
    • julianrod, on 06/01/2008, -2/+4Blame Al Qaeda!
    • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Evidence available at http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=103893&comments=1
  • chicofaraby, on 06/01/2008, -3/+372Well, we can't have teachers answering questions, now can we?
    • vkiperman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+10That poor teacher's going to be answering a lot of questions pretty soon. Sad.
    • ascendingPig, on 06/01/2008, -1/+10Exactly. When I was in middle school, my health teacher was almost fired for demonstrating oral sex on a banana in response to a student's question. The only other questions kids asked had to do with how snakes have sex.
      • MegaMonkie, on 06/01/2008, -0/+27Dude, your teacher sucked off a bannana.
        • chiefbandit2200, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7Nice.
        • Clodhopper, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3his teacher was a dude.
        • ascendingPig, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0Nah, she was a chick. And so am I.

          I bet a dude-teacher would never have done it. They'd be afraid to look gay.
      • jnordb, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7Well...how DO snakes have sex?????
    • kelmaster1, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5lol I love this one bitch:
      "I'm really angry right now. I want someone to apologize to those kids and say 'I'm sorry this is not part of the curriculum,' " said Sara Dewitt
      For what, answering sex based questions in a sex-ed class? Ugh, mormons.....
  • NachoBusiness, on 06/01/2008, -6/+245In totally unrelated news, teen pregnancies are up again this year...
    • arcanesmile, on 06/01/2008, -3/+11there's a motel across the street from a high school around here..
      its ***** funny.
      • Evi1d33d, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9They built a daycare center next to the high school I used to go to.
    • plr4ever, on 06/01/2008, -2/+21Also, experimentation in anal sex, masturbation, and oral sex has also risen.
      • Spudster, on 06/01/2008, -0/+15A step forward in the right direction!
      • julianrod, on 06/01/2008, -0/+14Great!
        Anal Sex, Oral Sex, Masturbation = Not pregnant!
        • lemur, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6That's not necessarily true, although it does greatly lower the odds.
      • amoirae, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3And for the segment of the Digg population called: "virgins who live in their mother's basement", that's not the only thing rising...

        I believe the Sugar Hill Gang once referred to it as Fapper's Delight.
        • ssn697, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3"It's a Fip, Fap, Fippity Fap, don't stop Fappin"...
    • vkiperman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+11Particularly in the Bible Belt states.
    • droobage, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1In reply to NachoBusiness:
      You couldn't be more right: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=462&sid=2684779
      That's an article (also from a Utah news source) talking about the rise it teenage pregnancy.
      • betterth, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1See above.

        >http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=462&sid=2684779

        In areas like this where religious intolerance dominates, teen pregnancy is actually rising. Fortunately, most teenagers understand contraception and can acquire it easily enough, leading to lowering national rates.

        Sad, but I bet most teens get their sex education from the internet these days.
    • Listre, on 06/01/2008, -6/+1Actually they are at an all time LOW ... but whatever http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
  • saxreturns, on 06/01/2008, -4/+124 ' "The district is conducting an investigation and they are taking this extremely serious," Principal Michael Sirois said.'

    That should be seriousLY. Call yourself an educator?
    • SakisRakis, on 06/01/2008, -3/+20I saw that as well..."We here in the Jordan school district are super cereal about sex education."
      • Nemoso, on 06/01/2008, -1/+7100% Super. Duper. Serial.
        • EddietheHated, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5Anal sex, masturbation and oral sex are all wrong and nobody beli-eeh-hee-hee-eeves meeee!!!
    • Picard102, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2Does the principal write for the newspaper now?
    • traherom, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Giving him the benefit of the doubt, the reporter could have easily gotten the quote wrong (if two letters can be considered "wrong"). It's entirely possible that they were just writing down what he said, not tape recording or video taping.
    • lattethunder, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Oh no, the diamond headache ...
  • BaseballGuyCAA, on 06/01/2008, -2/+265Didn't the teacher get the memo? Sex Ed isn't supposed to be fun, or educational. It's supposed to frighten the kids into abstinence!
    • InfernoX, on 06/01/2008, -0/+43So true.... we're doing the sex ed unit in my career and life management class right now and it's all about how dangerous sex can be and abstinence and *****.

      Which is kind of funny, because teaching abstinence to a bunch of 16/17 year olds is REALLY effective :S
    • EddietheHated, on 06/01/2008, -0/+32"Once penetration occurs, the vaginal lips recess to reveal the vaginal teeth..."
  • JensenSteve, on 06/01/2008, -25/+32This is just more evidence of the totalitarian, government controlled police state the US has become.
    • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -9/+9Not really. The fact that we have public schools at all is a problem, but if we remove those we can solve the problem we're having with this altogether.
      • Spudster, on 06/01/2008, -7/+9Yeah that's totally the answer to this problem. Let's give out government vouchers to all private schools and promote religious and ideological teaching in schools. That'll really help...
      • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -6/+3I'm suggesting we remove public education altogether. The voucher system is a compromise that the leftists are unwilling to accept. If we have only private education, then parents who want to teach their kids this will send their kids to school which do, parents who do not will send their kids to schools which do not. Everybody is happy.
        • Kyderdog, on 06/01/2008, -5/+3Your a Dumbass...
          Privates School Score worse than Public Schools according to some of the more recent digg stories.

          Only the Christian Nazis want Vouchers...
        • DucoNihilum, on 06/01/2008, -2/+2That story simply suggested that test scores for young children, in math only were a bit higher in private schools than public schools. Private schools have numerous advantages over public schools. If all schools were private, then if a school was doing poorly parents would simply not send their students to that school. However, with the public school system your only choice is to pay for public schooling, and then private schooling- effectively paying TWICE to educate your children. The free market will prevent any of these problems from occurring, as public schools have absolute and total free reign over us- they're a government controlled monopoly. It's interesting you call me a Christian Nazi, because that's a rather ignorant stereotype. I'm an Agnostic, and I support Liberty far more than you seem to.
        • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Absolutely. Those parents are wrong, but they have the right to send their kids to whatever school they want. If you disagree with that, you'd have to outlaw ALL private schools. Furthermore, it's certainly true that private schools, by virtue of competition both among schools and students for admission, are generally better. Last of all, it's the freest system since it lets people choose instead of being assigned to a school by the government based only on location. Of course, we effectively have a privatized system now, since real estate prices reflect the quality of the public schools in the district. A voucher system would just give poorer parents the same opportunities wealthier ones do.
        • zeabu, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1There should be no difference in schools, in particular in their quality. That same quality should be pushed as high as possible, as intelligence is spread around a bell-curve, and going for a common denominator will prevent smart people develop to their capacities. Going for an all-private-schools-system, will dumbdown the society, because there's more money earned with a common-denominator. No-one builds a university for three smart-pants.
        • Spudster, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1A pure private system is disastrious. How the hell do low income families pay for a decent education? I think you have this crazy idea in your head that everyone has this magical ability to pay for education privately...
    • omgbanana, on 06/01/2008, -4/+3Has become? What? You think Jefferson took time off from writing the Deceleration to teach about masturbation and anal sex at the local schoolhouse?

      I'm not saying that this is great. I'm just saying that a lot of parents across the world would be unhappy about a teacher talking to their 14 year old child about anal sex. It has always been that way. If anything, it is less so now.
    • mike17032, on 06/01/2008, -2/+2Its a good thing your foil hat protects you!
    • KayIslandDrunk, on 06/02/2008, -2/+3I'm as upset about this as you are, but could you please give me an example of a country that isn't "government controlled?"
    • GavinZac, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1"government controlled" is redundant.
  • ogloom, on 06/01/2008, -15/+48Masurbation isn't in the bible! Lets Sue!!!
    • Vet4Peace, on 06/01/2008, -4/+17Open Bible. Look up Onan...
      Hint: He was killed for jerkin' it.
      • ogloom, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5fine.. I'm pretty sure Oral sex ain't in the bible though :P
        • elbonito665, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4I think it's part of the sexual deviants thing with the Sodom and Gomorrah story. LOL.
      • aceallways, on 06/01/2008, -1/+13Actually he pulled out as a form of birth control (didn't want to extend the family line), he wasn't "jerkin' it".
      • specialK16, on 06/01/2008, -0/+12"According to the text, after God had killed Onan's older brother Er, Judah asked Onan to have sex with Tamar, Er's widow, so that the offspring could be declared Er's heir.[2] The narrative implies that Onan didn't object to the sex itself, but performed coitus interruptus, spilling his seed upon the ground, so that there wouldn't be any offspring he couldn't claim as his own;[3] the passage goes on to state that for this act, a displeased Yahweh killed him."

        From wikipedia. According to this he was killed because he "spilled his seed upon the ground" so he wouldn't have a son with Tamar, which made Yahweh pissed the ***** up so he killed him. Not really masturbation though.
        • macweirdo42, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2 Now that's some *****' sex ed right there. Compare the following:

          "Class, you should never rely on the pull-out method. It is risky and ineffective at preventing pregnancy and the spread of disease."

          vs.

          "Class, you should never rely on the pull-out method. God could ***** strike you dead for being such an ignorant little prick."
      • julianrod, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2Yeah, masturbation != "pull out" birth control technique (which, BTW, works 99% of the time, right?)
      • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2Actually, he was killed for not having sex with his older brother's widow. At that time, family ties were considered very important, so it was expected that a younger brother would marry his older brother's widow if his older brother was killed. Onan is obviously a cautionary "moral" tale about what happens if you don't follow the customs. It's no different than parents telling children about kids who get hit by cars when they don't look both ways or governments telling people about the risks of drunk driving or not wearing a seat belt. They're all scare stories so people will obey.
    • nogChoco, on 06/01/2008, -2/+21The bible: "Don't spill your seed on the rock!"

      The Rock unavailable for comment.
      • ChuyMatt, on 06/01/2008, -3/+20EEEVERY SPERM IS SACRID! EVERY SPERM IS GREAT!

        EEEEF A SPERM IS WAAAAASTED GOD GETS QUITE IRATE!!
    • Kyderdog, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4Yeah but you can ***** your two daughters
  • Chasey, on 06/01/2008, -6/+10ya this is messed, they should be able to answer whatever questions kids have, some people just lose it over some things and thats lame
  • dunyasi, on 06/01/2008, -2/+63Are these parents, who keep making these headlines, really deserving of the title of "parent"...?!!

    I mean, they were once kids themselves...did they forget that?
    • casual7y, on 06/01/2008, -1/+25evidently common sense is not too common nowadays.
    • sgtpppr, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1This re-enforces to me the idea that having children immediately makes you irrational. I'm pretty sure 90%+ of the 'safety' regulations Americans deal with on a daily basis are tied to children not being attended properly.
  • fuckingusername, on 06/01/2008, -14/+8um teacher why do I wake up with a wet spot
    Its called a wet dream Billy
    • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7Stop drinking water before bedtime, Billy.
  • RikkiTikki, on 06/01/2008, -2/+115If I had a teacher like that, I would have had significantly fewer embarrassing moments in my life.
    • arcanesmile, on 06/01/2008, -2/+12except for the moment when you had to ask the question in class, eh?
      that would be awk.
      • TheWorm, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6I remember when I was in Middle School we had an anonymous question box..and kids would ask questions like "is it possible to have a bowel movement during anal sex" and the teacher would still answer them.
        • sgtpppr, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2The simple fact that a middle schooler would ask that question should prove that nothing a teacher says can be remotely close to as bad as what kids already talk about.
        • kylethompson1, on 06/02/2008, -1/+1What type of middle schooler uses the words "bowel movement". Jeez
  • Chasey, on 06/01/2008, -6/+0ya i totally agree with ya dunyasi, gotta be learned someplace and thats probably one of the better places for it...
  • Evildudetx, on 06/01/2008, -3/+45Ah, another example of where parents aren't doing their jobs. Had they done them, the kids should not have had a single question about anything......time to wake the ***** up people. This isn't the 40's or 50's. Kids need to be educated earlier on the consequences sex can have and whether or not things are OK.........
    • Chasey, on 06/01/2008, -2/+1ya that's for sure
    • DanMiller, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2I'm not trying to protect these particular parents but you might consider that many kids would NEVER approach their parents about some of these topics. So, parents are faced with the "should I bring up anal sex dillema" while the kids are waiting for someone other than their mom to ask it of. In my mind a neutral third party isn't such a bad thing.
  • a1cd, on 06/01/2008, -7/+113The Pussifcation of america
    • SpeedSteamBoat, on 06/01/2008, -4/+3Doesn't sound like such a bad thing...
  • kingUssop, on 06/01/2008, -3/+24It amazes me some parents are so bad, they're against their kids being educated.
  • FeloniusMonkey, on 06/01/2008, -3/+19The only thing disturbing about what happened is the school's and parents' response to it.
  • j4ckdotcom, on 06/01/2008, -7/+14"I'm beating off the dog!"
  • lauralyn, on 06/01/2008, -4/+15Tell them to check the internet for answers and call it day.
  • D3koy, on 06/01/2008, -26/+2Hmm, 31 years of teaching plus another 25 years to get her teaching degree...My guess is she did a ***** job answering the questions anyway (given what I remember about older teachers).
  • uncoveror, on 06/01/2008, -7/+60A teacher who refuses to answer a student's questions is not really a teacher at all. Only in Jesusland would there be a law requiring teachers to refuse answering certain questions.
    • wburglett, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Actually, in Maryland (Montgomery County), possibly one of the most progressive areas in the country, we have similar rules as well.
      • cinmrc, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Montgomery county is full of rich folks who are out of touch with reality ...
    • cinmrc, on 06/01/2008, -1/+0it's in Utah, don't be surprised.
    • ajhirning, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0I second cinmrc. In Utah, the government is full of people who believe that it is their duty to be everyone else's moral barometer. If you want more evidence, go back to the Salt Lake Tribune, and read about what has been happening with the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control (1984 anyone?). They have been granted the police power to shut down bars and clubs, all the while using techniques that would have any decent judge throwing out their charges as entrapment. Or try reading the liquor laws. They spell out the size of shots and drinks to the hundreth of an ounce. Many of the bars have to install computer controlled dispensing machines to ensure the accuracy of their pours because the state has deemed SHOT GLASSES to be inaccurate in dispensing alcohol... Or read about the activities of one Chris Buttars, a state senator from West Jordan, who attempted to enact an equal time bill decades after the Scopes Monkey Trial. These are but a small sampling of the insanity that awaits one in the reddest state in the nation, UTAH!
  • Ramble, on 06/01/2008, -7/+26Just remember kids - clean the end, no-one likes a cheesy dick.
  • lowryba, on 06/01/2008, -5/+41Oh, Utah...

    No wonder...
    • u12bet, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4That puritanist approach to everything is the reason why this country is still in the dark ages, socially and culturally speaking.
  • Zandarrr, on 06/01/2008, -3/+81If masturbation, anal sex, and homosexuality were outside the core then the curriculum needs to be changed. Clearly the kids already know of what those things are and should be properly educated about them. Seems to me year after year our little ones are learning more adult things faster and faster.
    • Pritchard, on 06/01/2008, -0/+131) Use a condom during Anal ( I believe this covers half of relevant parts of homosexuality, the other half being kids asking what causes you to be attracted to what sex )

      2) Eat lots of fruits and less meat, your oral partner will thank you for it.
  • rnelsonee, on 06/01/2008, -6/+31So this is in Salt Lake, so it's probably a bunch of Mormons complaining. Generalizing here, but I bet most of those kids don't get their questions answered at home, which is why they needed to ask them in school.
    • whitneylauren, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0It is unfair to categorize this over reaction as a "bunch of Mormons complaining." This could have happened anywhere in the country- to people of all sorts of religions. People just don't talk to their children about sex, which is why we have so many teen pregnancies, the spread of AIDS, cervical cancer etc.
      I graduated from high school in Salt Lake City - pregnant (and I am not from a Mormon household). All the teachers are only aloud to teach is abstinence. Sexually transmitted diseases, birth control, loving marital sex, safe sex etc are strictly prohibited.
  • zephyear, on 06/01/2008, -3/+127they're against sex ed

    which increases the chances of the kids getting pregnant/getting girls pregnant when they're in high school

    which will make them get an abortion

    which they're against

    i do not understand these people

    • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -1/+24A general rule i've learned: Instead of trying to keep your children ignorant about life, you should tell them WHY something is bad for them, or in some instances you just have to let them experience it on their own. There is no easy way out of it; being a parent is about RESPONSIBILITY, and if they didn't know any better? YOU'RE the one who is responsible for not talking to them and teaching them while they're growing up.

      When I have a son or daughter, i'm going to try my absolute best to have open communication with them from the very beginning, because I would rather have them be a little embarrassed for a while than to go through hell.
      • mewho, on 06/02/2008, -0/+3exactly. My mother told me at a very early age, "sex feels good. Your body is programed to want it. Your body makes your mind stupid. Wait until your mind and emotions are mature enough to handle it. At that time, I'll go with you to get birth control, and it's up to you to make sure he wears a condom" That little talk told me that sex was not bad, that I was not bad for wanting it, and that I could come to her for questions. Saved me a ton of trouble over the years.
        • Amadeus2490, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1How old were you when she told you this?

          Oh, and btw: That beats the hell out of that stupid "The birds and the bees" analogy.

          "Peter Griffin to a young Chris: Alright. . .in the Spring time, a bird goes up to a flower and he sticks his penis into it because it feels good. . ."




    • mystdragon333, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9I don't think they understand themselves.
    • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -0/+11Dude, you're using logic. These people don't need logic, they've got their holy book, their gut and their deep sense of shame to guide them.
    • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6They're also against contraception. Lack of contraception, of course, leads to teen pregnancies and abortion. It's not logical to oppose contraception unless you believe sex is ONLY for procreation.
      • Amadeus2490, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2It's okay to murder political enemies, but it's WRONG to enjoy sex.


        errrdoooooiiii?
        (that was the sound of me losing my sanity)
      • whitneylauren, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0Mormons are not against contraception... just thought you should know.
    • fxu1989, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1HOW DO I REACH THESE PAREEEEENTZZ??
  • BDOUG, on 06/01/2008, -4/+76One more ludicrous example of a backwards society still locked down by it's own childish religious fantasies.
  • 55mph, on 06/01/2008, -5/+52Bush and Cheney sodomized America without protection. Is that topic open for discussion?
  • Hefelumpman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+32Teachers getting busted for teaching?
    That's a sad day indeed - my heart goes out to the teacher.
    At some point in the past, teachers were a lot more respected than they are now - they have probably the most important job there is, getting relatively little pay, and can so easily lose their jobs over something so trivial?
  • laronde20, on 06/01/2008, -2/+171Student: "Should I make my boyfriend wear a condom when we have oral sex?"
    Teacher: "Im sorry Janet. I can't answer your question because by law, I can only teach the curriculum which does not include oral sex. Now, who wants to learn about abstinence?"
    • Pritchard, on 06/01/2008, -13/+3That's a tricky one. Do you think your partner's a dirty whore with diseases hanging all over their crotch, or are you more worried about a baby popping out of your vagina than diseases?
      • psibladeZX, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1i seriously dont know why your comment got dugg down so much... i mean, the answer is double edged like you said.
    • Rally603, on 06/01/2008, -1/+8Her name is Jenny.
    • monoa, on 06/01/2008, -3/+9Abstinence sex education = holding it in potty training
    • bas4ball, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Wait, what's the answer?
    • Nitrodist88, on 06/02/2008, -0/+21 minute sex education course:

      You should only practice abstinence. That means no sex, ever, until you're married. Any questions?
  • Rassa, on 06/01/2008, -5/+58These outraged parents are probably the same parents that will gleefully watch Rambo with there 7th and 8th grade kids.
  • picpak, on 06/01/2008, -2/+9Pfft. I knew how to do it when I was 3.
  • gordonrp, on 06/01/2008, -1/+81Your choice parents.....

    Allow teachers to answer such questions....

    Or allow google to be the one "educating" when your child types in "blowjobs"....
    • Amadeus2490, on 06/01/2008, -1/+12Better idea: Teach your children yourself so a stranger won't have to.

      Idiots.
      • roaryyyj, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6I hope you mean teach them about oral sex and not teach them how
        • Amadeus2490, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2"Here, Claire. . .I got you a rubber Practice Penis."
    • sewerraccoon, on 06/01/2008, -2/+8Who the hell uses google for that? Wikipedia is much better :)
    • Doomhammer, on 06/01/2008, -0/+8You mean Google Image Search isn't the best way to learn about new things? =O
      • Soave, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Google image search + Urban Dictionary + Wikipedia = best sources of new knowledge!
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2*Moderate Safe Search is OFF*
    • punkcat, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4or find dad's hidden porn stash.


    • Foot56, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5or just play "doctor" like I did in 5th grade...
  • NikoKun, on 06/01/2008, -1/+32How absurd can these parents get?
    So now teachers aren't supposed to answer the student's questions? Oh nooo... we can't have kids learning too much!!! -_-

    These parents are all fools... This is what they get, for not having the balls to teach sex ed to their kids, THEMSELVES. It means a stranger will teach them...
    And of course, when the teachers teach them better than the parents... Oh nooo!! We want that teacher put in jail!!... -_-

    This makes me so angry... all those parents need to be shut up...
    • cerealjynx, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Or strung up.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Its these kinds of parents -- the conservative knuckle-draggers who think their kids are going to be virgins until 20 years old, that get the most unplanned pregnancies. They don't plan for sex, so they don't know how to keep from having a baby. Caught in a moment of passion without birth control or condom -- usually because they are too drunk because it usually takes that to overcome all the guilt in their minds.

      NO point in them looking at what works and what doesn't -- merely repeat the same failed moral lessons and condemnation that got them into an early marriage of desperation. Forget that you were ever a teen and start parenting.
      • trademaak, on 06/01/2008, -0/+0The irony is that those 20 year old virgins will probably dwell in basement watching some sick furry piss porn and writing fanfics about.
        • Ursapater, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Excuse me, what's wrong with furry porn?
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 06/01/2008, -1/+1"going to be virgins until 20 years old"

        You mean Diggers?
  • str1fe, on 06/01/2008, -1/+21You mean he taught kids openness in a completely appropriate manner, except some parents and the law disagree?

    For shame, for shame.
  • shadowsurfr1, on 06/01/2008, -1/+18Do the children have access to the internet? It's when, not if, they will learn.
  • wuzupfoo11, on 06/01/2008, -2/+29gawd this country is retarded
    • D4rkDrago0n, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4haha, considering we get taught that stuff at about that age in the UK, America seems pretty backward with their education.
    • BaseballGuyCAA, on 06/02/2008, -1/+1Gawd is the reason this country is retarded.
  • joeanon, on 06/01/2008, -2/+43We should fine parents for not doing their job.

    Or offer tax incentive to parents if their kid performs well in school.

    AS it stands parents have no incentive, but their own personal grasp of reaity, to educate their kids or to even respect education.

    Face it, most kids don't go to college, that means most parents haven't gone to college.
    They cannot realistically educate their children themselves, nor can they grasp that hiding homosexuality from your child does not reduce their chances of being gay.

    Just as not educating them on sex in general does not leave them unable to get pregnant or contract STDs.

    We have to face the reaity that as the US public gets dumber, their judgment decline also but in the end WE ALL have to live with the kids, not just the parents. That's why not sending you kid to school is punishable by prison time.

    Democracy is not about individual rights AT ALL COSTS.

    It's about accepting the shared liability that is civilization and being as free as possible within that shared liability.

    You are only as free as we the majority proclaim.. that's it.. your freedom to not educate your child or reject education does not exist but in the uneducated or radical mind.


    In the end, money is the clearest and most universal way to motivate parents.

    Eithing give them tax breaks or CHARGE THEM more taxes for their childs low academic performance, within reason of any learning disabilities and such.

    Think about how much more interested many parent would get if there was a simple and tangible reward rather than this long term dream that if you educate your child, they might get a good job and work hard.

    Most people cannot think in the long term, hence why the nation is in the mess we are today with high energy, medical, low education and endless military investments.

    Democracy is only as good as the education level of the voters. If education slips too far, we will have no choice but to resort back toward elitism. The founding fathers were not Joe average, they were wealthy academics with educated visions. If the democracy cannot educate itself or in general raise their academic expectations, then the burden falls on the few, the educated.



    • Spire3660, on 06/01/2008, -1/+3I dont think you understand the true hideous nature of democracy. America is a republic, with rights enshrined that are not supposed to be subject to the tyranny of the majority. Your statement about 'you only as free as the majority proclaim' shows your ignorance of the true nature of the intent of our system of government. Democracy has its uses, but it is the idea that we are a republic that truly makes america great.
      • webweave, on 06/01/2008, -1/+3Then start showing some of that greatness now.

        I had to dig a bit to find where that school was but I thought it was going to be in the South, what a surprise I had forgotten Utah. A state that's trying to write a law that punishes teachers for teaching too much. I didn't know that it was TMI that was causing all the problems we are having but I guess Utah knows better. Certainly this kind of law is at odds with "America is a republic, with rights enshrined that are not supposed to be subject to the tyranny of the majority"

        If you don't think education is the biggest problem in the Republic then you are fooling yourself.
        • tech42er, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2Privatize the school system. Then teachers can teach whatever they want. The government won't control it; only the school administrators. Parents will send their kids to whatever school they want. Does that mean some schools will just be teaching abstinence-only sex ed? Yes, but it means not all schools will. While they're wrong, some people believe abstinence only sex ed is best, and they can send their kids to private schools that only teach that. But don't pollute the rest of the schools by enshrining it in law. So then what's the best middle ground? There isn't one, so there can't be a public school system.
    • empiric, on 06/01/2008, -2/+2"Face it, most kids don't go to college, that means most parents haven't gone to college.
      They cannot realistically educate their children themselves, nor can they grasp that hiding homosexuality from your child does not reduce their chances of being gay."

      Ironically, this seems to reflect "elitism" as manifested by someone with an elementary-school level of awareness of reality.
    • whitneylauren, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0"Face it, most kids don't go to college, that means most parents haven't gone to college.
      They cannot realistically educate their children themselves, nor can they grasp that hiding homosexuality from your child does not reduce their chances of being gay."

      I have my Masters in English Lit. and I still don't think that a person's individual intelligence is based around college attendance. College can be a tool for some people, but for others it is not as beneficial. It all depends on the line of work one goes into. It is unfair to assume that if a child does not go then his parents must not have gone.

      Another point I must disagree with pertains to applying tax incentives to those whose children perform better in school. What happens when you child has a learning disability or cannot simply learn from how the information has been taught? This idea cannot work because, as humans, we all learn differently.
      • griffinjam, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0Disabilities, learning or otherwise, would obviously be a special case. But as for if kids just aren't learning...well, tough *****. I guess they just need to work harder then. And by they I'm referring to the child AND the parents.

        The entire point of what he was saying is that the idiot kids being churned out is not our responsibility and that parents need to be taking the blame for this *****. Since they aren't there needs to be an incentive to get parents to actually care about how their kids do in school. Like, care more than just yelling for 5 minutes when they get bad grades, but actually working with them and helping them learn. You indicate that you understand that different people learn differently, and who best to adapt to how an individual child learns and help them in a way based around it than their parents? You want that tax break? Well, guess what mom and dad, it's time to brush up on your algebra.
  • identitymatrix, on 06/01/2008, -26/+2The whole concept of having a sex ed class in schools never made sense to me. School is where you learn math, history, writing, science, etc. I can sort of see physical ed, because it is important to exercise, I just don't see how sex belongs in the same category. I mean if students wanted to learn about sex they could probably read some wikipedia articles, visit health websites, go to the library, things like that. I suppose a once-a-year PSA on the dangers of unprotected sex wouldn't hurt, but spending time every week talking about sex instead of more academic-related subjects seems like a big waste of time. But if parents really want a sex ed class, how exactly do they expect teachers to teach sex ed if they can't show anything remotely sexual and can't even talk about masturbation? Seems like masturbation comes first (no pun intended) in most peoples lives, and people do that more often, so that should be taught first. And what's the point of having a live teacher when he can't answer questions? You might as well just play one of those 80s videos about sex and have that be the whole class each week.
    • Binto, on 06/01/2008, -0/+9sexual education is a public health issue, that's why.

      While it is the job of the parents to explain this stuff to their kids, its clearly evident that the parents are *not* doing their job. Kids need to be educated about the spreading of diseases, pregnancies, etc.
    • gerardpetersen, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2Also... school, technically, is meant to prepare you for your life afterwards and if you look at society... sex is a big part of it...
    • EddyFictitious, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Schools are meant to prepare kids for later life, as far as I know sex is a major part of life.
    • nylrym, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2What makes sex ed any less worthy a subject than these other classes? Part of the purpose of school is to produce adults capable of functioning in adult society. School is where children are supposed to *learn* adult things in preparation for becoming an adult. It is supposed to be a safe and somewhat controlled environment for introducing them to difficult or awkward topics.
      "Yes, we took this land from its indigenous people and carted them off to reservations."
      "Yes, we locked Japanese-descended citizens in internment camps during WWII out of fear, but not German-descended ones..."
      The Holocaust.

      These are difficult and troubling subjects, which if handled wrongly could traumatize children, and skew their world-view far more than a few awkward questions about sex. Should we discourage teaching these topics? I don't think so. We don't, because an understanding of the complexities of our history, and comprehension of our own (and our Nation's) action, and fallibility are necessary for a well-socialized adult in a society that went through those events, any adult who may have to deal with the long-term repercussions of those events and decisions.
      A sufficiently robust understanding of sex (and I don't necessarily mean graphic or experience-based understanding) is also necessary for any adult who is going to have it, or deal with the issues of others who do, or the problems of those who want it but can't get it right now.
      That's my two $0.02 worth anyway.
    • identitymatrix, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1I see your points. But like if school is meant to prepare kids for later life, then where is the class on filling out tax forms, or the class that covers understanding user license agreements, or the class that deals with money management, or the class that covers job searching (I never knew about head-hunters until I was contacted by one), etc.
      Going in the public health direction, it's just weird that there is a class that teaches the dangers and risks of sexually transmitted diseases, but not normal diseases. Now I could definitely understand such a class if it was a more general kind of health class, with sex ed being one chapter, and other chapters covering topics such as the dangers of normal diseases; the dangers of alcohol and how to drink responsibly; illegal drugs and how harmful each illegal drug is, which are less harmful than alcohol, etc; maybe a chapter on smoking; sleep deprivation and what it does to your mind and body (since it seems like a lot of students are sleep deprived); the dangers of hypothermia, dehydration, and other things that might happen in extreme heat/cold/whatever; how to detect the onset of various physical or mental problems early (e.g. testicular cancer, bipolar disorder), maybe a chapter on physical exercise and what sort of movements are harmful for the knees and other joints, etc and what are good ways to exercise. You know just a general class on keeping the mind and body in good condition and what are the most common dangers and risks of doing certain things.

      Right now it feels like they are teaching the Holocaust but nothing else, to make an analogy to a history class, and while the Holocaust is important to learn, so are many other key events in history.
  • Shivetya, on 06/01/2008, -3/+1If there is a law governing what the teacher is to instruct in their class and she violated this law or statute then I see no problem with the parents complaining. Sorry, but curriculum is developed to present facts the community deems appropriate for the age group. Excusing someone from both teaching standards and the standards of the community is wrong.

    Yes some will think it close minded to not teach certain subjects or aspects of certain subjects but if we don't trust those who develop the curriculum and then trust those whose job it is to follow