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worldnetdaily.com — A German couple already being threatened with jail time because they have been homeschooling their children say their nation has taken a turn for the worse, with a new federal law that gives family courts the authority to take custody of children "as soon as there is a suspicion of child abuse," which is how that nation's courts have defined...

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isparadiselost, on 05/13/2008, -6/+26One would think the Germans would have been done with such things after ridding themselves of Hitler. Oh wait, this is a law he was instrumental in establishing. I guess the old saying of those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it continues to ring true. Interesting that one can be arrested there for any semblance of supporting nazism yet the government itself is doing so full throttle?

If you don't think this sort of heavy handed governmental intervention is on it's way across the pond, you're sadly mistaken.

The Nuremberg trials and the outcome have been completely forgotten in the US. While following "orders" wasn't a good enough excuse back then, it seems to be the perfect excuse for the Police State we're quickly developing.

Our last hope is the 2nd amendment. Then again, the constitution has pretty much been tossed out the window so it's now just a matter of doing what the founders did. Once the stormtroopers move on you, find a quiet spot and pick them off as required. If it was good enough for the heroic men who founded this nation, it should be good enough for those of us who wish to restore it.

AP rounds in nothing less than .223 and preferably nothing less than .308 will accomplish the goal.
- JimmySpaza, on 05/13/2008, -6/+14Nothing says love like a .50 cal. It doesn't have the up close and personal friendliness of a M-16 firing .223, but its kiss will drop you a lot harder.
  - alkajazz, on 05/13/2008, -2/+5Yes let's resort to violence!
    - isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Please indicate the other VIABLE options? Congress is corrupt. The Judicial system is corrupt. I won't even mention what the Executive branch has done to rout our Constitutional rights. Have you read the Declaration of Independence?
      
      I know that violence is the last thing on Earth I want. I just want to be left alone and not taxed to death to pay for ***** entitlement programs that do nothing to help my family. This government is out of control and it is the duty of any true American to follow in the footsteps of the brave men who gave us this country to take it back. Violence may not be the best option...but it's still an option.
  - isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1I traded my .50 on an AR-10. Ammo was too expensive and there's no reason to even shoot one unless you've got 1000 yards to play with. By god when it hit it did destroy what it hit! You can buy kits to put a .50 cal upper on an AR lower. I will be getting another one now that I'm set up for reloading and have a large plot of land to play with.
- kirralin23, on 05/13/2008, -3/+18I would definitely prefer a bloodless revolution faught at the ballot box, but you make some very good points.
  - Jeff82, on 05/13/2008, -6/+10Show me anywhere in this country where right-minded, God-fearing people are winning at the ballot box. Our fight isn't with the politicians per say, it's with the 51 million+ (lib-tard) voters that put them in. We are reaching the balance point where conservatives will not win another major election. It's these people that will need to be dealt with if we intend to save our country. You can thank our socialist gov't schools and the red herring "separation of church and state" with this "reeducation" of American youth.
    
    An interesting look at the '04 elections: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
    - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4Well, actually this article is about Germany.
    - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4And your position is now a democratic one? Because you are losing throw out the system?
      
      I thought now you had to try harder to convince people that you are right. If its not working, there is probably a reason that doesn't have to do with "libtardedness"
    - isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -3/+1"Well, actually this article is about Germany."
      
      Yes, it is. Last time I read a history book that was accurate, Germany went through quite a change in a short period of time thanks to a complacent populous that believed anything they were told. The atrocities committed by the Nazi party were truly horrific. However, if you are a true student of history, you see many of their planks being manifested here.
      
      I challenge you to read the ten planks of the communist manifesto and tell me that we haven't gone down the path of each one! While Germany was certainly not a communist nation back during Hitler's reign, we seem to be invoking the tenets of fascists, nazis and communists all wrapped into one!!
  - isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2As would I. I don't want to die. I don't want to kill. I just want to live and be left alone. Apparently that is too much to ask for. It seems that every aspect of your life has an element of government dictating it. That is NOT what the FF meant for us. We have become apathetic and complacent. By doing so, we have allowed ourselves to become chattel for a small group of powerful men who see us as nothing more than milk cows.
    
    I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. If that is my calling, so be it.
- AR15A2, on 05/13/2008, -4/+4I totally agree with fighting a revolution. It's long past due!!! We wouldn't have this mess if it had been fought decades ago, when the hippies and yippies were promoting their trash communism, and some were practicing anarchy. But I do have an important question that needs answered: How do we know a liberal from a conservative? How will we know who to fight? It's not like we're going to be wearing uniforms to tell us apart, such as in the days of our Founders and Framers! I'm with you 100%, isparadiselost, but I guess I do need some enlightenment. We need organization, all of us who would be willing to fight, and believe me, I know plenty of folks who are mad as hell. I know many who have bought guns this year that before would've never considered buying one. They just know that with this years election, no matter who gets in, our 2nd amendment is in danger. So they''re buying them up now. And learning to use them.
  The liberal college professors need to be dealt with, as the liberal media. As well as liberal judges, who are determined to rule with an iron fist. And don't forget, we'll have the police and SWAT teams getting in our way too, as well as remnants of the national guard units, since we'll be considered terrorists. It's all in the evil Patriot Act. Those clowns in Washington already thought of all the possibilities that would result from their usurping power from the people, and dropping it into their own laps. It's going to be a long, hard road, but we can win, but we need the help of the Almighty too, otherwise we've lost from the start.
  - Nannybell, on 05/13/2008, -4/+6You will all be killed. And then what? That isn't the way, not nowadays. First of all, if you are a Christian, get on your knees and pray all day and all night and all the next day, and don't stop praying. Speak in your church about the need for constant, fervent prayer starting NOW. Pray for America that God will forgive our slide into debauchery and send us revival. Pray that God will turn the hearts and minds of those who today do not know Him.
  - seala, on 05/14/2008, -1/+0Those Islamic terrorists must love you. They will be cheering you as you help them acheive their aims
- alkajazz, on 05/13/2008, -0/+8Second of all, america is still very open and free. Calling for revolution or as one person said "Dealing with libtard voters" is somewhat scary. Your not just against Ideologies your against people! I think what you are suggesting is ouright oppression. "socialist gov't schools and the red herring "separation of church and state" with this "reeducation" of American youth." As for Jeff82s comment he has no sense of what our constitution states. "It's all in the evil Patriot Act" Need I remind you George W. had very strong "Born Again" support. Liberals are not soley to blame for our idiotic administration. You're calling for wholesale oppresion and slaughter of innocent people, i'm 100% sure that the framers didn't intend this.
  - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4They aren't getting what they want in a democracy, because not enough people agree with them, so they're going to kill for it. Its incredibly moral.
    
    They haven't even considered secession. Nope... go right to the guns and start killing anyone they think is a "libtard".
    
    I'm all for it. Lets get the killing over with. Its obviously we're never going to learn from history.
  - Christianptriot, on 05/15/2008, -2/+1the US is more rapidly losing its freedoms and liberties than the general public wants to admit - that is because admission that we are losing these freedoms would then cause more people to consider exercising those rights we still have - like the Second Amendment.
Jereome209, on 05/13/2008, -2/+16If you give the government jurisdiction over your marriage by getting license form the state, you can expect this type of thing to happen.
- Jeff82, on 05/13/2008, -3/+2Doesn't have anything to do with it. A marriage is serious business (at least used to be, before 'no fault divorce' made it a sham). It needs the strength of a public document. Our society used to be founded on the family. To promote this there were significant (legal, social) advantages to being married. So that folks wouldn't abuse this it is important to ensure marriages met a standard.
kirralin23, on 05/13/2008, -2/+18I had never considered marriage quite in that light Jereome209. I think government should get out of marriage. It would answer the question of the legality of same sex marriages and plural marriages. Keep it within the churches.
- Jeff82, on 05/13/2008, -3/+5A marriage is two things: a religious agreement (a promise) between spouses and God and a legally binding agreement between two individuals. You need both.
kirralin23, on 05/13/2008, -2/+21You would have thought that the Germans, of all people, would have learned from Hitler's example. No, instead they enforce Hitler's laws. Homeschoolers here in the United States are being attacked more and more. Our freedoms are being taken from us at an alarming rate.
- Jeff82, on 05/13/2008, -2/+6Our '68 Gun Control laws are based on Nazi 1930's gun laws. Research it. Yep, it was a dem who brought it to us.
DrReaper, on 05/13/2008, -1/+18They are trying to stop parallel societies people. You just happen to be that parallel societies they are looking for... Remember they came after the Jews in the night. One by one they were rounded up and put to death. If they come to take my children and they better be ready for war.
- AR15A2, on 05/13/2008, -1/+12Amen Dr.Reaper! If the govenment wants absolute power, they're going to have to get it over our dead bodies. People, you had better wake up! This maybe Germany it's happening to, but eventually the scum is going to seep here to America. Essentially, it already has; in Kalifornia. They have their own problems with dictators in judges uniforms who make their own laws regarding home schooling. If We the People do not start taking matters into our own hands soon, you won't have anymore freedoms left. Or your children, for that matter!
KCLorelei39, on 05/13/2008, -4/+15Germany never did learn its lessons in the post-Hitler years; they only took their ambitions underground for a few decades. Same old Germany underneath. They are already getting frisky within the EU; just wait a few years to see how they lust to rise to the top once again. I don't think knocking down that wall did much good; it only let the poison spread outward from East Germany and re-infect the whole country once more.

Coming to a hemisphere near you: the reborn, 4th Reich in full stealth mode. bleh.
keltin, on 05/13/2008, -1/+7Germans are Germans, and unless they are outside of the 'Motherland' and living in a free society, I'm afraid their thinking is still within the range that extolls a Hitler or Stalin. I am concerned that the ultimate power-grab is on its way with this next election. We have one ultra-sized power mad person and a smaller sized one, but could still be deadly...the better thing about him is that he is so old he migt not live for two terms.
durlek, on 05/13/2008, -1/+12This is an interesting situation. I have read several stories about the German government’s use of police power to force their complete indoctrination program upon the children in Christian families. This seems interesting because Christianity does not require or encourage it’s adherents to in any way threaten the well being of the German nation. But Germany does have a fast-growing belief system which does offer a serious threat to the future of it’s citizens. It’s adherents have a birth-rate much higher than the rest of Germany’s population. Islam is growing fast in Germany and in many neighboring nations, and islam is there to conquer the european continent. In many countries, when muslims have achieved a numerical majority, non-muslims have become second-class citizens ... losing their religious freedoms, their property, their culture, and ultimately their lives. But I never seem to hear about the German government intervention into the educational processes of muslim children. Hmmm...
tlbergman, on 05/13/2008, -1/+8Daniel 7:6
"After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.
RSandman, on 05/13/2008, -1/+12One thing we in America tend to forget easily, is that ALL of the European countries only allow VERY RESTRICTED access to firearms.
Their citizenry is disarmed.
It costs upwards of $3000 to attend the mandatory environmentalism-laced "hunting" course of study to get a firearm permit, and NO one is allowed to carry personal protection (handguns) except criminals and polizei.
They also do not have anything similar to our sense of community based around "school" sports or teenage activities, as their indoctrination program is finished by the 9th grade. After that only a selected top of the class continues to pursue University, while their "school-to-work" program, run by government-mandated Unions, takes every other child at 14-15 and makes them choose a "vocation" directed by their "guidance" system. They have a very well educated minority, the rest are Un-educated to be very proficient in a single job.
The HOMESCHOOLING graduates are considered products of a "parallel" society and are generally WELL educated FAR beyond the typical German, but having bypassed their system of channeling you into their preferred niches. Therefore, homeschoolers are seen as a threat to the credibility of their entire corrupt educational system.
Well...except the Muslims that live in relatively isolated parallel communities into which even the Polizei and the Jugendampt do not want to venture unless forced.
I believe that Islam and "Cults" were used to justify the new laws, but as usual it is the innocent concerned citizens and Christian community that gets attacked.
- durlek, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5thanks for the added insight, sandman
Jeff82, on 05/13/2008, -1/+8Out of the ashes a Phoenix has risen... the next Reich! Can a leopard change its spots?
nippinawassee, on 05/13/2008, -4/+10As with the Nazis our school system has already long been practicing the same routine: "tell us if your parents hit you..." is the primary one... that leades to the CPS storm troopers barging into homes, taking children, putting them into foster homes that are truly pathetic. After all, most, not all, but most foster homes are people who are somewhat indigent... have problems that the CPS never investigate (bipolar, etc., that affects moods, temperaments) and who pays? guess.... Children are piled into homes, up to 11 or 12 at a time, all ages, and ALL problems (molestation, etc.) which can be a danger for the younger children... do they care? Nope. all the foster homewants is the $1500 per child (+/-) per month... think about that - 4 children is $6Ka month to people who've never had more than $1500 +/- a month all their lives. Do the children get the benefits? Nope... It's nazi rule all over again... all based on the word of a child who was mad at a parent that morning and told the teacher they were hit... they are brainwashing public school children into accepting and believing in what THEY say... i.e., the day of silence for gays - etc. So it's up to the parents to have even stronger influence over their children and of course that means closer contact, more interaction, only IF you want your child to be armed to be able to either stand up to what is being shoved down their throats OR to be confident enough to play the game while knowing full well that the school system/teachers are totally corrupt... Teach your children well - keep them close to you - all by paying attention to themand having interest in what they enjoy and/or are interested in... you have only ONE chance... there are few if any do-overs when raising children and it starts from birth...
- Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -1/+4Actually, the Nazis had formed a pact with the Roman Catholic Church in 1933 (the Reichskonkordat). Among its provisions:
  
  The right to freedom of the Roman Catholic religion. (Article 1)
  
  Unhindered correspondence between the Holy See and German Catholics. (Article 4)
  
  Catholic religion is taught in school (article 21) and teachers for Catholic religion can be employed only with the approval of the bishop (article 22).
  
  Protection of Catholic organizations and freedom of religious practice. (Article 31)
  
  If you don't believe me, just look up Reichskonkordat. It's in the Encyclopedia Britannica, among others. The Nazis were pretty much directly in league with the Catholic Church for the purpose of forcing all German children into Catholicism. Isn't that a great deal? Keep using that 'Nazi' routine, and it will eventually come around to bite you.
  - avengingturnip, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5The Concordat was not a pact in the sense you are implying. It was the Church attempting to protect itself with a greater level of freedom than it had been allowed in Lutheran/Bismarkian Germany up to that time. The Catholic Church and the Nazi party were never allies and the Nazis never sought to make Germany Catholic.
    - Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -1/+4You're right, Hitler was more interested in old Nordic blood rites than he was Catholicism. It doesn't change the fact that the Vatican supported and praised early Nazism (including Hitler himself), and may have in fact been an important part of its rise to power. The fact that the church was 'trying to protect itself' is absolutely no excuse for that support - they didn't forgive the French traitors who colluded with the Nazis in order to 'save France', did they? The Church even created passports and funding for Nazis fleeing Germany after the war, also known as the Rat Lines.
Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -3/+9I wonder what local Muslim fundamentalists will teach their kids in homeschool, once all other social obstacles are removed. Or scientologists. Or moonies. Or white supremacists. Or...
- Nannybell, on 05/13/2008, -3/+3Please translate.
  - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -0/+8If you want homeschooling without state oversight, then everybody else gets it as well. Including people with ideologies that you wouldn't agree with. Like madrasahs.
    - Nannybell, on 05/13/2008, -2/+6I don't care who homeschools. It isn't just Christians who homeschool in the USA. If people are teaching their children to engage in illegal extreme activity, they will do so even if their kids are in public school.
      - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5Well, I never said anything about public schools, I just said oversight. Meaning standards.
        
        But with public schools they are at least exposed to other viewpoints. Your way, they operate in secret.
        
        I can go either way on this, but I defer to the will of the democracy. When people say, "I'm not getting what I want from democracy, so lets start killing people" thats when I grow very concerned.
      - Nannybell, on 05/13/2008, -2/+2Who said to kill people? Now I'm completely lost.
        
        We are in a democracy. To regulate everything is to destroy freedom. Now we come around to a statement I have made frequently. Our founding fathers stated that the self-governing govt. they were establishing would not work without the restraints of the Judeo-Christian ethic in the citizenry. The question you are raising here is an example of why.
      - StaticThunder, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3See the first comment in this thread by isparadiselost.
        
        And if the founding fathers said that, then they were wrong. This government will not hold together WITH the restraints, either. Nothing is permanent.
ccso8462, on 05/13/2008, -3/+8Stupid Nazis. And stupid Americans for thinking this can't happen here.
nutz2u2, on 05/13/2008, -3/+5Boot some illegal Mexicans out, and make room for this family in the USA.
- JanHus, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1I agree that this German family should come to America!
Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -4/+8Just for all of you who have been sharing the old 'Nazi' hat, a slice of history from the Encyclopedia Britannica.

The Reichskonkordat is the concordat between the Holy See and Nazi Germany. It was signed on July 20, 1933 by Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli and Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg, respectively. It is still valid today in Germany. Some highlights.

- Catholic religion is taught in school (article 21) and teachers for Catholic religion can be employed only with the approval of the bishop (article 22).

- Protection of Catholic organizations and freedom of religious practice. (Article 31)

Sorry folks, the Nazis had a lot more to do with the church and religious indoctrination than they did Darwin. Even the SS motto was 'Gott mit Uns', or God is With US. I know history is painful, but you just can't eliminate all those photos of Catholic Bishops giving the old zig heil.
- durlek, on 05/13/2008, -5/+2I believe that many Catholics are also Christian, but I suppose you probably know that the Catholic Church has many teachings which are not of Christian origin. If you want to discuss Catholicism’s historical issues of questionable morality you should easily be able to find a great volume of material. If you choose to discuss the actual teachings of Jesus Christ it will be a different situation.
- avengingturnip, on 05/13/2008, -3/+4The Concordat was not a pact in the sense you are implying. It was the Church attempting to protect itself with a greater level of freedom than it had been allowed in Lutheran/Bismarkian Germany up to that time. The Catholic Church and the Nazi party were never allies and the Nazis never sought to make Germany Catholic.
- avengingturnip, on 05/13/2008, -3/+3A discussion of homeschooling in Germany brings out the anti-Catholicism on Digg. There is nothing more to say.
  - Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4Just a response to the exhausted, over-used Nazi comparison, which also has nothing to do with homeschooling. Anti-Catholicism? Are you nuts? It's THEIR pact I'm quoting!
- JanHus, on 05/13/2008, -1/+2Nothing in the quoted pact above states any endorsement of Nazism by the Catholic Church nor does it imply mandatory Catholic indoctrination. So I fail to see your point.
durlek, on 05/13/2008, -3/+7I believe that many Catholics are also Christian, but I suppose you probably know that the Catholic Church has many teachings which are not of Christian origin. If you want to discuss Catholicism’s historical issues of questionable morality you should easily be able to find a great volume of material. If you choose to discuss the actual teachings of Jesus Christ it will be a different situation.
- MrsSpooky, on 05/13/2008, -1/+6durlek, which teachings exactly are not of Christian origin? That's a hilarious statement, considering it was the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible and defined its canon (by the way, "you're welcome!").
  Read through the Catechism to find out what the Church teaches, inform yourself, then we'll talk.
  - Nannybell, on 05/13/2008, -2/+5MS, the Bible does not teach us to pray to Mary or to consider her the Queen of Heaven. It does not teach us to pray to any dead people, or that any dead people have any power to help us. It says nothing about souls going to purgatory, from whence they can be prayed out if the family pays enough money to the priest.
    - Lutrasimilis, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4Oh my goodness, divide and conquer.
mak747, on 05/13/2008, -1/+0Coming to a theater near you- think about Brittney's dad in KY.
sexydarin, on 05/13/2008, -2/+6The leftist nazis are stil in control of germany.
congresssucks, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3This is no less than government being set up by the elite as the dominate power over people. When governments become completely in control which isn't far off governments will combine to form a new world order like a kingdom ruled by a king in earlier times. No longer will law be king but the king will be law. People all over the world will be required to worship the king (beast). It starts with your child's education.
JanHus, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3All of the German Christians who wish to homeschool their children should immigrate to America.
isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Can you even fathom what it would be like to truly be free? Can you imagine not having over 50% of your wages stolen to pay the federal reserve its dues for printing money out of thin air and charging us interest on it?

We are not ants, bees or any other communal insect. Each of us have our own thoughts, dreams and desires. Putting a gun to our heads and demanding our wages to redistribute is an anathema to what the US was founded upon.

Where is William Wallace and those of his caliber when we need them?
- KJeffV, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1We here in the US are at over 40% already.
isparadiselost, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5Digg is an interesting site. There is apparently an underlying algorithm that dictates what makes it and what doesn't. Based on the lack of coverage that truly prudent stories get, I'd be interested for the Digg team to display the algorithm so we can see how this works. My guess is that Digg is representative of a true democracy. Majority rule...also known as mob rule. It's sad to see so many stories not allowed coverage because thugs don't deem them worthy. Then again, if I were running the show and pulling in 7 figures I might be as apathetic as those running the show. We're only human, hence why we're continuing our downward spiral to complete chaos. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm sure it's for the greater good or better yet for the children. Isn't everything rammed down our throats for the children?
seala, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1 America already have a murder rate which is one of the highest in the western world . Guess you are doing your bit to Save the Environment after all.
Christianptriot, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1One of the first steps in a government's ability to easily take control of society is by marginalizing a segmenet of society, galvanizing the rest of society against it and then exerting illegal or unconstitutional power over that segment of socety. Then the government simply picks the next segment to marginlize, and slowly it takes control over all of society.

First it was American Indians; then they did it to the Japanese in the 1940s; fast-forward to 2008 - after Waco we have the polygamizt FLDS in Texas, and now Texas is gong after another religious sect there.

How long do you think it will be before they go after Full-gospel and other religious-based home school groups or other religious schools? Or Quakers and Amish, and Mennonites?

once the government marginalizes your beliefs and lifestyle, you are marked and the state and the rest of society who is NOT marked, come after you.
bradsl, on 05/15/2008, -2/+0Did you get that quote by the Germany's Chief Council: "has a legitimate interest in countering the rise of parallel societies that are based on religion…." Translation: The State is GOD, and we will stand for no competition. Your children are the price you will pay to insist on freedom to worship your god. Like Daniel, you will eventually have to choose between the Golden Idol, or Yashua. Who will you serve?
- MisterFreeze, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2Wow, your interpretation skills really leave something to be desired. But it really illustrates how the fundamentalist rabble can twist anything to suit their own purposes. E.g.
  
  Bible: "Thou shalt not kill."
  
  Translation: "Don't kill other people unless they do something you don't agree with, or unless they have something you want, or unless you can come up with some other trumped up reason."
MisterFreeze, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2Like we don't have a healthy crop of hyper-religious ***** retards here already.
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