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- Maddoktor2, on 03/29/2009, -5/+66FTA:
"Younes, an Arab from the northern Israeli village of Ara, had been training the modest orchestra of 11- to 13-year-olds for about three years and had taken them on previous trips, camp residents said.
Younes said camp officials closed the ensemble so they could take over its funds.
"They want to destroy this group," she said. "It's a shame, it's a tragedy. What did these poor, elderly people do wrong? What did these children do wrong?""
"At Wednesday's concert in Holon neither the orchestra nor the audience initially knew where the other was from. Audience members gasped when the performers were introduced as West Bank Palestinians, a rare sight in Israel.
And the performers had no idea the audience were survivors of the Nazi genocide - or even what the Holocaust was."
Music and sports should never suffer political idealism. That's just so wrong on so many levels. - dkapuchino, on 03/29/2009, -12/+67FTA:
"Conductor Wafa Younes took the children from her Strings of Freedom orchestra to sing songs of peace last week as part of an annual Good Deeds Day" - Demogo, on 03/29/2009, -19/+49Wow, "CuteCathy" has a cancer eating at her soul.
You have my sympathy. - Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -16/+44> the crime against humanity that is Israel
As I said, you have my sympathy, CuteCathy.
Your soul is cancer ridden.
And please explain why those Palestinians are in a "refugee camp" when their *grandparents* were the ones that fled Israel in '48? - Cthulhu2008, on 03/29/2009, -5/+30Thats not a very nice thing to say
- LonelyTylenoL, on 03/30/2009, -6/+30It's sad Islamic extremism only makes the news when Islam is brought up. Real Islamic values teach tolerance, especially of other religions.
The extremism is sickening - inactive, on 03/30/2009, -8/+27Just to add to that. Muhammad, the Prophet, the greatest example of Muslims attended a funeral procession of a Jew. I don't know why you are so quick to make such sweeping generalizations.
Muhammad is known to have stated ""It's a soul like other souls", in response to his astonished companions (due to some new-born hostility between the two parties)." - whatthefu, on 03/30/2009, -1/+18I mean honestly this is the equivalent of someone saying "It's all the Jews' fault."
- Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -1/+18I certainly wouldn't, no.
What's the harm in a youth orchestra going to Iran to play?
Now if the mad president of Iran seized the opportunity to turn it into a media circus that would be a different story... - BJH1412, on 03/30/2009, -4/+20Yes but it doesn't hurt when coming from somebody who is as full of unjustified hatred as she is.
- sultanknish, on 03/30/2009, -35/+51This is what usually happens when Israeli liberals attempt some sort of gesture of unity, whether it's joint camps or industrial zones
The fact is the Arab terrorist side wants one thing alone, the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population of Israel
it's what their Saudi and Iranian masters are sponsoring them for - Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -1/+16You think there's barely any people in their 70's still alive, penny? And that means that they are incoherent from age?
LOL.
As if your math skills weren't enough, your parting comment makes it pretty clear how just how ignorant your opinions truly are. - wpi97, on 03/29/2009, -10/+24"Both sides are guilty of bloodlust, dastardly deeds, political corruption, propaganda, self-righteousness, in short - pissing contests"
I don't know if saying "both are guilty" qualifies as the gray fallacy, but it certainly qualifies as intellectual dishonesty. You have agreed yourself that the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Arafat could have agreed to Barak's offer of statehood in 2000, or at least used it as a starting point for a negotiated settlement, instead of walking out and starting the current round of the bloodbath. Hamas could have started building a life for the people of Gaza when Israel withdrew, instead of firing missiles into Israeli civilian populations. There are two sides to this conflict, and one side has had the power to end it for almost 10 years. Guess which side that is?
"IMHO, too many in the region have become blinded that the Israeli-Palestinian situation is the most contentious issues on the planet, spawning sub-issues that threaten world stability."
Really? So this is more contentious than the on-going genocide in Darfur, where 5 times as many people have been killed in a few years than the Israeli military has killed in all the wars it has ever fought? Is this more contentious than the conflict in the Balkans, that is still simmering? Is this more contentious than the Kongo wars? Than tensions between India and Pakistan? Than Russian incursion into Georgia?
The Arab-Israeli conflict poses an existential threat to Israel, but for the dictators of the Arab states it is simply a way to divert attention of their peoples in order to keep themselves in power. There is no Jewish refugee problem today, even though more Jews became refugees than Arabs after 1948. The Arab states could have solved the Palestinian refugee problem, just like Israel had solved the problem of the Jews expelled from the Arab states. - Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -2/+16> After all these years, there are STILL Holocaust survivors.
I'm guessing math isn't your strong suit. 2009 - 1945 = 64 years old. So a 10 year old at the time would be 74 now.
Oh, the vast inflated numbers -- cute. A Holocaust denier. I thought they died out long ago. - Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -8/+21You know, it really sucks to be in a war.
And if you don't want to pay the price then you don't engage in one.
And if the fanatical thugs who took over Gaza would quit firing thousands of rockets into Israel there wouldn't be an Israeli blockade of Gaza, nor a war.
You must have a very short memory because life was a hell of a lot better for the Gazans before their nut-job leaders decide to fight one. I feel sorry for the innocent Gazans that want no part of a war but have been forced into one by their nut-job leaders.
And I feel sorry for the Israelis that have been forced to pay the price by this war too. - ralphodog, on 03/30/2009, -1/+14Reply button, learn it, love it, use it.
- leopardhunter, on 03/29/2009, -54/+67Islamic doctrine: no good deed goes unpunished.
- Logrusmage, on 03/30/2009, -1/+13It's hardly a conspiracy. Read their ***** charter.
It basically begins by stating a second holocaust as their primary directive. - johnleemk, on 03/30/2009, -3/+15Geez guys...I'm a Christian living in a Muslim-dominated country (Malaysia), so I can see where both sides are coming from. First, let's not blow this out of proportion. This is one incident, and a sample of size one does not an empirical study make. There are good people living in both Israel and Palestine, just as there are bad people. I know Jews, I know Christians, I know Muslims -- and most of them are fine people who want nothing more than to live in peace. It's an unfortunate handful who have to make life bad for others.
Some people are so obsessed with this conflict -- and they come from both sides of it -- that they make life horrid for those good people who just want to live in peace. What do you have against a bunch of Holocaust survivors? What do you have against a bunch of Palestinian musicians? Take your hatred out on someone else.
Those of you trying to play this up for the political gain of one side or another -- whether you're Palestinian or Israeli -- you sicken me. Bad things happen to people in Israel and Palestine all the time, and instead of letting the good things be, you guys take this one good thing, and turn it into something monstrous. "Oh, look at those evil Palestinians, they don't want to get along." "Oh, look at those evil Israelis, playing up this one incident -- they don't want to get along." Seriously, STFU and LEAVE DECENT HUMAN BEINGS ALONE. - QuantumNighmare, on 03/30/2009, -3/+14Honestly now, how is that relevant?
Some kids playing violins isn't going to cause more bombs to drop either. Let them play and mingle, and maybe, just maybe, the next generation of kids in the middle east won't hate each other so much. - frofisrael, on 03/30/2009, -5/+16There goes another honest attempt at peace and harmony. God bless you Shari Arison, your heart is in the right place.
- Cthulhu2008, on 03/30/2009, -1/+12I AM A CRAZYMONSTER
RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I WILL TAKE YOUR GOD-FEARING CHRISTIAN CHILDREN AND USE THEIR BLOOD TO MAKE MY MATZAH
RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRR
/s - anonymousmedic, on 03/30/2009, -5/+16Obvious Propaganda is Obvious. The difference between HAMAS and Israel is that Israel acts as a civilized nation would and investigates and punishes people that do this.
For HAMAS/Al Queda/Insert Islamofascist Terrorist Group here...It's standard battle doctrine. - AhniTipesh, on 03/30/2009, -1/+11My heart goes out to these kids...
- mrtymcfly, on 03/30/2009, -0/+10um, who said all jews hate palestinians?
- SwiftKick34, on 03/30/2009, -1/+11Sir, you are quite an ass hole. You are no better for wishing death upon millions of people then the Israelis who you profess to hate.
- mrtymcfly, on 03/30/2009, -2/+12i think its good to get these people interacting with each other. when a jew sees a kid, they are more than likely to see the goodness of that kid. they are not savages. neither are palestinian children. they are brainwashed into hating jews.
- geekee, on 03/30/2009, -1/+11"And please explain why those Palestinians are in a "refugee camp" when their *grandparents* were the ones that fled Israel in '48?"
Because Arab nations would rather keep Palestinians around as fuel for hatred against Israel than assimilate them into their countries. - namcor, on 03/30/2009, -3/+12Your accurate description of Palestinian life is truly magnificent! You really nailed it, you just forgot to mention how Israelis have horns and feed their poo to Palestinian children.
- BJH1412, on 03/30/2009, -1/+10Never. Why can't you agree that it's wrong to dismantle an orchestra cause they played for the "enemy"? Music should be able to transcend war or political *****. The scary thing is: this was a Fatah act, the "moderates"...
- poidh, on 03/30/2009, -18/+27And then he went and had sex with a nine year old girl, slaughtered an entire tribe of men and raped a woman whose family he had just beheaded, and distributed a bunch of female slaves to his followers to be raped. Sounds like the kind of guy I could follow, even though there is a choice of Jesus, Buddha or no-one at all.
- whatthefu, on 03/30/2009, -3/+12Someone didn't read the article whatsoever.
- Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -2/+11Some *were* let back in, and they all had the right to compensation from the Israeli government for their losses and some actually took them up on that. Then they started being killed as "collaborators" by their neighbors so I think that stopped quite a while ago.
And even now that's a negotiation point that Israel has brought up in the past -- that they would be willing to accept a limited number of Palestinians back into Israel as part of a peace treaty, even though the Palestinians would be getting their own country specifically for this purpose.
And of course there's absolutely no chance that Jews would be allowed to live in this new Arab country of Palestine under any conditions. - vballkid, on 03/30/2009, -4/+12if someone gave me land to call my own as the israelis have given to the palestinians I would invest in infrastructure, health, and education... not arms smuggling and pursuing a doctrine bent on eradicating israel.
- SwiftKick34, on 03/30/2009, -2/+10What scum, honestly.
- monsieurginger, on 03/30/2009, -0/+8I am waiting for the day an Israeli orchestra can tour through the Arab world. For now, I'll just have to dream and hope.
- sondosia, on 03/30/2009, -0/+8Actually, it might.
Throughout history, it has been shown that when different cultures share music with each other, something incredible happens and understanding becomes possible. Orchestras are sent on goodwill missions sometimes...
But I guess that doesn't matter to you, because you seem to only care about politics and mudslinging. Good for you. - Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -0/+8Unless my math is off, they'd be 64 years old if they were born in '45. Someone who was 10 at the time would now be 74.
I guarantee at the age of 10 they knew what was going on. - LilJimmyNordin, on 03/30/2009, -1/+9If only the bury button buried the author and not just the comment... sppennywise would be speaking chinese by now.
- Cthulhu2008, on 03/30/2009, -4/+12@cutecathy: the way you are speaking makes me think you have no ***** idea about the history between Israelis and Palestinians
check points does not equal gas chambers. - vballkid, on 03/30/2009, -2/+10@ cathy : the fence and checkpoints are necessary due to suicide bombers being smuggled aboard ambulances. Remember when suicide bombers were exploding themselves at clubs and buses in tel aviv? once they set up the checkpoints all of those bombings stopped. i will agree that this is unfortunate. it's a shame it had to come to that. and israel/us give tons of food and aid to gaza. whether hamas distributes the aid (or kills the delivery drivers) to their citizens is their shameful prerogative. replace hamas already and continue towards a two state solution!
- QuantumNighmare, on 03/30/2009, -0/+8Lemme call my grandparents... yep, still alive. Would you like to know the numbers burned onto their arms in Auschwitz?
Guess there are still a couple holocaust survivors around. - tzvika613, on 03/30/2009, -0/+8I strongly doubt that "no good deed goes unpunished" is Islamic doctrine. That is a saying from my extended family that has been handed down from generations. It could be just some proverb or aphorism, but I do not think that it is Islamic in nature. (The saying itself has a lot of wisdom to it actually.)
- tzvika613, on 03/30/2009, -3/+11They went with music to thrill the Jews and were attacked. If they went with explosives to kill the Jews would they be celebrated?
- DreadPirate, on 03/30/2009, -5/+13mikelieman - Hamas cemented their "democratic" victory by tossing their political opponents from the top of buildings in Gaza. Amazing how many people forget that minor little fact.
- Demogo, on 03/30/2009, -1/+8Yeah, brilliant reasoning there, Solid.
I have to hand it to you -- your thoughtful and clear line of reasoning sure convinced me and thousands of other readers here that Jews are monsters now. - Logrusmage, on 03/30/2009, -1/+8Are you really prepared to compare Israel, a Democratic nation that has tried for peace hundreds of times, with the mother ***** Nazi's?
You realize that comparing people to Hitler and the Nazi's will, inevitably, discredit any argument, yes? - Maddoktor2, on 04/01/2009, -1/+8@BL:
"I try so hard to be patient and charitable, but when it comes to ridicule or condemnation of our Prophet, I sometimes lose my composure."
I beg your indulgence for a quick mental exercise - substitute the words "Israel and the Jews" for "our Prophet", and please consider that revised statement for a brief minute.
Done? Ok. Now you know how Jews feel.
Perhaps this will help us find common ground - I hope so, anyway. - fluoro, on 03/30/2009, -2/+9No, I don't think it was as simple as that. Did you read the article? They made it very clear that the parents did not like their children being dragged into what is essentially a political issue. It wasn't a hospital of sick people, it was a group of Holocaust survivors. In the minds of some of the older parents, those are the very people who kicked them out in 1948, so it's not surprising that there's some sensitivity here.
It's sad that they closed the orchestra though. I don't agree with punishing the orchestra director, even for pulling the kids into this political situation.. but I do kind of understand it. But what I don't understand is punishing the children and totally shutting down the orchestra. That's very sad. -
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