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- sanman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+12Pakistan didn't suddenly develop the bomb because of their "worldclass educational system" :P
They developed the bomb because:
1) China illegally transferred lots of nuclear bomb-making tech to them, in violation of its strict obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
2) The Pakistani govt (and not merely Khan himself) engaged in all kinds of international black-market technology trade with a variety of rogue nations similarly seeking the bomb
3) The Reagan-Bush Amendment (aka "Pressler Amendment") removed US congressional oversight of Pakistan's nuclear activities, allowing President Bush to turn a blind eye to Pakistan's activities while falsely giving it clean certification
So when Khan whines that he's been made into a sacrificial lamb, what he really means is that the entire Pakistani govt was doing the dirty deeds, and not just himself, as the confession makes it out to be. So it's like Col. Oliver North, who squealed because he objected to being turned into a scapegoat by the Reagan admin over Iran-Contra, when he was merely carrying out the policies of the Whitehouse he was working for.
Khan is the Pakistani Oliver North. What he did clearly wasn't right, but clearly he wasn't some lone loose cannon doing it all by himself while the rest of his govt was ignorant of it. That's just a story cooked up by the current Bush admin to protect its "ally" Pakistan. - IceRaptor, on 06/01/2008, -6/+18and why should we believe him?
- EddietheHated, on 06/01/2008, -1/+11"If true, it would mean Pakistan lied to the U.S. and the international community about its role in providing nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya."
Well huh... how 'bout that... Their government suspends all constitutional rights of it's citizens... and people are suspecting that something's a little fishy? - inactive, on 06/01/2008, -8/+16Digg Entrée
12 oz can SPAM - cubed 1/2" 4 eggs
1 small onion chopped 2 cups whipping cream
1 small green pepper, chopped 1 tbsp all-purpose flour
1 small tomato, chopped 4-oz can diced green chiles
2 cups shredded Cheddar cheese 1/4 tsp garlic powder
8 7" flour tortillas Picante sauce - dracken, on 06/01/2008, -1/+8Because I find it a little bit incredible that he commandeered a C-130, packed it with crates full of centrifuges, flew it to North Korea and got Missile parts in exchange. All without the knowledge of either the army or the government or the intelligence agencies. Especially when he was one of the most protected (and most probably monitored) men in Pakistan.
Because the Pakistani government has conveniently placed him under house arrest and refuses to submit him (event under supervision) to questioning by the IAEA to find out the extent of his wheeling dealings and who others were involved.
Because not a dime of the supposedly "illegal profits" he has made has been recovered.
Note that he never claimed he was innocent, neither does he show any kind of regret or remorse. He claims that proliferation is okay and its none of american business to dictate who they can sell the bomb to. And also claims that he was acting under the orders of the army and the government, who then turned around and made him a scapegoat. In short he is not saying "I am clean" he is only saying "I am a small fish".
But then Musharraaf, past governments of Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharief and all of the pakistani army should be innocent right ? Especially because US needs Pakistan and its army's help to fight the war on terror.... - str3ama, on 06/01/2008, -0/+7lol leave him alone, I don't think he could place Pakistan on a map.
- inactive, on 06/01/2008, -1/+7even you of all people can see that a nuke in Pakistani hands is the stupidest thing ever.
- EddietheHated, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Wikipedia - All the information, without pesky objectivity or chronological consistency! Why would you need to research beyond that?
- ortucis, on 06/01/2008, -0/+6Yeah, then USA gifted them ***** of F16's and billions of dollars to fight terrorism.
- xister, on 06/01/2008, -3/+9I can't believe no one's said it yet...
KAHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - designflaw, on 06/01/2008, -4/+9LOL ... Who is the biggest arms dealer in the world again? Last time I checked, it was U to the S to the A.
- str3ama, on 06/01/2008, -2/+7you don't need the eggs, the ***** found in SPAM will hold it all together.
- cuntmate99, on 06/01/2008, -3/+8or is this just another lie to make us believe that Iran is a nuclear threat?
- jozb, on 06/01/2008, -0/+5because we all know that politicians never lie and scientists make up stuff all the time. /s
- ThinkBox, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4[citation needed]
- ortucis, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5Nah this is just Pakistan. No one would really give a ***** about it if not for, you know, being the primary source of terrorism in every ***** country.
- vikramkr, on 06/01/2008, -1/+5Have you read Musharraf's book? It's a ***** joke (just like him).
- FairDinkumMate, on 06/02/2008, -1/+4The US is so hypocritical in its Foreign Policy it's not funny & then you wonder why nobody takes it seriously.
Examples(Middle East only!):
* Supported Iranian rebels & helped them overthrow the legitimate government. Then provided them with weapons, knowledge, information, etc. Then were surprised when their 'puppet government' got overthrown & were upset that the new government had control of such advanced weapons.
* After the Iranian disaster, did they give up? No, they then went & supported the opposition(Iraq) and provided them with weapons, training, support, etc. Surprise, surprise the Iraqis then turned against them & were left with advanced weapons & knowledge
* Still haven't learnt & are now doing the same thing with Pakistan
* Supports Israel even though Israel is in breach of the very same non-proliferation agreement they are now saying the Pakistani's have broken. Continues to support & trade with India in exactly the same situation!
* Screams from the rooftops that 'Democracy' is the reason for their support but is then allied with the Saudi's, Pakistan whilst under a Military Dictatorship, Iraq with Saddam, etc
Is it any wonder people are easily convinced in the middle east that the US is 'their' enemy? - lgfaphile, on 06/03/2008, -1/+4Khan is an extremist who wants radical Islam to get atomic weapons. He is an untrustworthy, dangerous man.
- desuexmachina, on 06/01/2008, -1/+4Yes, exactly like that. There are only two states for nuclear weapons.
1. Not having any or any means of producing one.
2. Launching ballistic missile attacks.
There is nothing in between those states. We're all doomed! - str3ama, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3now you know why Wikipedia will never be considered scholarly research.
- diggdong, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2An excerpt from Joseph Trento's book Prelude to Terror
As the BCCI scandal raged, the United States received direct confirmation of Pakistan's sharing of nuclear secrets with Iran. In 1991, the commander of Pakistan's army, Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, told American Ambassador Robert Oakley of a deal in which Iran would provide Pakistan with oil and military aid in exchange for Pakistani nuclear technology. Oakley claims he reported the conversation to Pakistan's prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, urging him to end the arrangement. According to Oakley, Sharif agreed to speak with Iran's leaders.39 Recent evidence suggests that Pakistan continued to provide nuclear assistance to Iran until at least 1996.40
In 1994, concrete proof emerged of Saudi backing of the Islamic Bomb. That year, a senior Saudi diplomat, Muhammad Khilewi, defected to the United States, bringing with him documents showing that Riyadh had been financing Pakistan's bomb program since the 1970s.41 The records also exposed a secret pact requiring Pakistan to respond with its nuclear arsenal if Saudi Arabia was attacked with nuclear weapons. The arrangement was just part of a wide-ranging, decades-long campaign by Saudi Arabia to acquire its own nuclear arsenal. Toward that end, the Saudis also backed Iraq's nuclear-weapons program starting no later than 1985 and continuing right up till the eve of the Gulf War in 1991. In response to these revelations, the CIA reportedly launched a high-level investigation, the results of which have never been revealed.
When the Saudis' nuclear ambitions were exposed, a senior Clinton administration official reportedly remarked: "Can you imagine what would happen if we discovered Saudi Arabia had a bomb? We would have to do something and nobody wants that. Best not to ask tough questions in the first place."42 Given that attitude, the Saudis apparently saw no reason to desist. Over the past decade, they have provided Pakistan with an estimated $1.2 billion in petroleum products annually at virtually no cost. During the late 1990s, senior Saudi officials toured Pakistani nuclear facilities on several occasions (prompting an official U.S. complaint), and in 1999
A. Q. Khan visited a Saudi nuclear research center. In 2002, a State Department study reported that senior Saudi officials had discussed the prospect of nuclear cooperation with Pakistan. Later that year, a former Defense Intelligence analyst revealed that Saudi Arabia "has been involved in funding Pakistan's missile and nuclear program purchases from China, which has resulted in Pakistan becoming a nuclear weapons-producing and proliferating state." - noahhoward, on 06/01/2008, -1/+3Uh, you are aware that American intel says Iran is NOT making a nuclear bomb, right? Actually it's some European countries that are still grilling Iran about what they are doing and why they are being a pita about it.
- inactive, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2You know... I have watched the documentaries on AQ Khan and for him to do everything they claimed he did without the knowledge and assistance of his government has always seemed a little hard to swallow.
- inactive, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2"If true, it would mean Pakistan lied to the U.S. and the international community about its role in providing nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya."
If Alex Jones says it, he is a conspiracy nut. If the main stream media says it... it's true. - kingsal, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2We have to understand that this man was a hero in Pakistan, even with all these allegations, because of what he did. America, chanting "WMD" everywhere it went, found this guy for two reasons (1) to make it seem like the threat of WMD was elevated, and (2) so that it could blame someone. Now Musharraf-- known disparagingly as "Busharraf" in Pakistan-- was in Bush's pocket during the time these claims were made, so Mr. Khan does have a point here.
Also, interesting how discussion of American proliferation of nuclear arms to Israel doesn't enter the debate... - boombye, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Well it's the truth and every Pakistani knows it, just ask.
- boombye, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2He's very involved with military expenditures, he only gave up his power as General, as nice gesture that he wouldn't be the military dictator no more, he wanted to be seen as the democratically elected leader, plus the neo-cons pushed for fair democratic elections, and before you know it, his rival bhutto was shot dead and he had nobody to run against.
- FairDinkumMate, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Or even the US(just like 20% of his compatriots!)
- noahhoward, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Seriously? I'm pretty sure the NIE that said Iran stopped trying to build Nukes in 2003 was on Digg but I can't find it. The IAEA was damning Iran just last week however over lessened cooperation and some documents. The article I read was in our paper here but I can't find it online.
- FairDinkumMate, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Pakistan is already a democracy! And based on their last election versus the last 2 US elections, they seem to be better at it. Pakistan's President was unable to 'rig' the vote to make sure his party won!
- ortucis, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2That he isn't telling us about new nuclear secrets.
- boombye, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2Israel will be fine, as they have Nuclear arsenal to launch right back at Iran, so we don't even need to bother getting involved. They're trying to get us to prevent a cold-war situation between them and Iran. Ever heard of Mutual Assured Destruction?
- tucsonwc, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1An example of what? Mass killings of people when it was already known that Iraq had no WMD?
The American Public sent no mixed signals. The Administration bungled things totally in Iraq.
And they prevented the military from getting the job done in Afghanistan by diverting forces into Iraq.
Excuse me while I digg down an apologist for the incompetent and lying neocons. - URnotheonly1, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1How many should have died invading Iraq?
- whatthefu, on 06/01/2008, -2/+3Why should we believe anyone?
- ICanRead, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
(breath)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The US has a lot to stand on when it comes to telling any country in the Middle East about being honest.
Please, stop I cannot take the pain..
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
the sweet pain. - nomik2, on 06/01/2008, -1/+1That would be worse than Iraq...people in Pakistan don't want the USA to "help" them bring "democracy" and remove their current leaders.
- saadghauri, on 06/01/2008, -3/+3Well, I am a Pakistani and i believe him. dracken already gave the reasons why.
- sanman, on 06/01/2008, -3/+3and the Pakistani Dr Strangelove ;P
http://media.putfile.com/Photochor - ICanRead, on 06/01/2008, -1/+1The first thing that went through my head is
"How Convenient?" - Meaning what BS.
It's like an author conveniently dropping in details to move you along in the storybook. We just want another place to go once we stop warmongering in Iraq..
Are you going to believe them for the hundredth time.. oh, maybe you do not believe, but are ok with what they are doing. - MonexFRAUD, on 09/16/2008, -0/+0You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times.
Just don't buy your precious metals from Monex!
http://www.monexfraud.com - Aldhelm, on 06/01/2008, -8/+8All the evidence that was given by American intelligence agents to show that Iran was developing nuclear weapons have been disproven. Yet we still complain about Iran wanting to make nuclear weapons.
Here is a guy who was allowed by his country to sell nuclear technology around the world. Yet no one says a lot about it because of Pakistan is an ally. This is double standard. Pakistan should be sanctioned and Iran should be left alone until real evidence is produced that they are developing nukes. - desuexmachina, on 06/01/2008, -3/+2same reason we believe that there are no guilty men in prison.
- inactive, on 06/01/2008, -3/+2why dont they just nuke your country..LOSER!
- goon5000, on 06/01/2008, -4/+4real evidence? you mean launching a nuclear warhead at Israel?
- URnotheonly1, on 06/02/2008, -2/+1Iraq was an example. Even stopped Iran for a short time. Stopped a lot of folks until the American public sent mixed signals and they started up again.
- saadghauri, on 06/01/2008, -4/+3Maybe you should read the article again
"As to Iran, he said he believed it would be a "long time" before that country would be able to test a nuclear weapon. "
Isn't this the opposite of Iran being a nuclear threat? -
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