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PLEASE Digg this story up. This boy needs help, get his story out PLEASE

cnn.com — A 5-year old Iraqi boy was doused in gas and set on fire by insurgents. His disarming smile has been disfigured by scars. He has become bitter and spiteful since his January '07 attack. Get the word out there; his story has to be told.

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  • zacamjo, on 10/19/2007, -15/+123I'd like to help but don't know where/how to start. Someone please jump in with ideas/guidance.

    While this was a savage act, we can turn this around and help him enjoy a more normal future.
    • ellabee, on 10/10/2007, -36/+44thank you for digging this. my heart bleeds for this little boy. bless you.
      • thebenchase, on 10/10/2007, -9/+19i dug you up, ellabee, because i agree-- war hurts noncombatants the most, sometimes. may god be with him.
      • 2shae, on 10/10/2007, -63/+11That was so gay!
    • knicks555, on 10/10/2007, -7/+91i hope so man but he'll never be the same. this is horrible. makes my problems look like nothing. They ruined his life. The thing I really don't understand is motive. I can't understand why people act the way they do. Here in America people rob people and then murder them. WHY?? You will probably never get caught and even if you do now you'll go to jail for years, what do you gain out of murdering someone? What did these sick ***** gain from hurting this little kid? NOTHING. I will never understand things like this.
      • DocHoliday22, on 10/10/2007, -14/+6Because the Law means nothing to some people. Even when they get caught they show no remorse only sorrow for getting caught and going to prison for these assholes is like staying at the Ritz Hotel, FREE everything that they didn't have in their normal life. We need a vigilante.
      • wafflez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5they're sadists?
      • Mrnut333, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Masked men claiming no country or organization allow no motive to be attached to them. The only motive we can deduce now is what you/we perceive to be the facts of the situation. Truly an act of evil.
      • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4While I hate what happened to the boy from Iraq, I hate it even worse for our own children here in the USA. 3000 a day...just gone...

        http://www.digg.com/world_news/And_this_is_supposed_to_be_a_civilized_society
    • james2die4, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34You can help by making a donation to The Global Medical Relief Fund, which is committed to bring hope and help to children who are missing or have lost use of their limbs, have been severely burned, or are otherwise damaged due to the atrocities of war, national disaster or illness.

      http://www.globmed.org/

      I worked with them a few years ago and they are a very small group of good people.
      • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Don't bother donating to globmed if you want to help this kid. They don't go to war-torn areas to help people, they just walk through afterwards and try to clean up. If you want to help this kid donate to the red cross.
        • oddtom, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8If you want your money to go to helping anyone, don't donate to the Red Cross. Nearly 1/3 of what you donate goes straight into their pockets, and they have no obligation to follow your "preference" when it comes to what to donate to.
          • gameforge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Define "their pockets". Everyone's, including each volunteer's? Just the administrator's? Somebody, somewhere has to spend the money you donate and implement/govern whatever it was spent on - if that's what that person does for a living, they need to eat and sleep just like anyone else... I find it hard to believe that just the administrators are taking home 1/3 of the donations, but I really know nothing about the Red Cross.

            Also, I'm very glad they don't follow my preference when it comes to how to use it; consider a $10 million disaster which generates over $100 million in donations. In addition to rebuilding the part of the school that blew up (purely random and hypothetical) do you want them to use the extra money and build a complementary $90 million recreational center and food court? On the flip side, if a $10 million disaster occurs and only $5.49 in donations is generated, should they just buy buy 'em a burrito & wish them the best?

            I think you should be a little more specific.
        • james2die4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, you are incorrect about GlobalMed. They have been in Iraq helping children since the war began with countless success stories. The only thing holding them back is limited funding. I'd encourage you to do more research about GlobalMed. They are part of the solution.
      • bias, on 10/10/2007, -18/+52Charity on digg? you've come to the wrong place. these people think Bill Gates is evil even tho he donated 30+ billions to help the world, and think Steve Job & Linus are god. They want Bill Gates die, and Microsoft falls apart, and the world less 30 billion dollars to help people so they can save money on beer.

        These are the people who submit over 16 pages and ten of thousands of diggs for CNET editor James Kim, and have only a little over a thousand diggs for Jim Gray (one of the greatest computer scientist in the world) because he's from Microsoft. Yeah, these are the people would laugh & watch a Microsoft employee dying in front of them without helping.
        • misterhat, on 10/10/2007, -10/+2An editor of a very popular online publication is a lot higher profile than a computer scientist.
          • GawtMilk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Really? I thought this was a technology website.
        • RobertFC, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11You are a tool.
        • iticu, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14So, a persons OS preferences determines if they have decency enough to help a kid whos had his life ***** up for no reason?

          Microsoft has nothing to do with this. Don't bring petty stuff like that into it.
        • frieddonuts, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Why the hell is he being dugg up? He doesn't make any sense.
      • AriaStar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There's also Doctors Without Borders.
      • GeneralFault, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I think you are confusting Bill Gates with the leadership of Microsoft. Though Bill is a major Microsoft leader, and though his business policies can be merciless, and though Microsoft can be evil, Bill seems alright. I'd invite him over for a BBQ even if he was not a multi-billionaire.
      • dopey420, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Sorry all charity are scrams. Churches do that work for free. OOpps never mind.
        Just like when a bumb ask you for money for food. When you know the going to by Alcohol.
        Can not really blame them though if I was down on my luck I wanna get ***** up too.
    • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -60/+26***** them. ***** that entire people, those entire governments, religions, customs and history. ***** them all. I don't care if it's a few bad apples making things hellish for everyone else around them. What does it say about the good apples that have yet to end this kind of *****? It says they are either in the minority and can't, or they are apathetic and won't. Seriously, it is a race of dog-people over there. Running around shouting gibberish, chopping hands off and stoning rape victims to death.

      I was not racist before all of this - I was a "Islam Isn't Terrorism" hippie myself, at first. But I've had it. It's time to face the facts that some people, some races, some collective groups, are just failed as human beings. If you can't get yourselves out of the ***** stone age like the rest of us, then ***** you, ***** your religion, ***** your history and your art and your invention, and just ***** die off. I'm done with them all.
      • WeaponMit, on 10/10/2007, -22/+14you are the exact type of person who would pour gas on a child and set him on fire. congrats.
        • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -18/+12No he's not. I feel the same ***** way and I wouldn't do something that heinous. Get your ***** together, or get out. End of discussion.
          You are the exact type of person who would try to tell someone else who they are, despite having never met them. Congrats.
        • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19^^^^^ Telling someone else who they are while not knowing anything about them is bad, but disparaging an entire race of people and an entire religion, basically calling them the scum of the earth, when you don't know jack ***** about them besides the images you see on TV from a WAR ZONE in a poor part of the world (don't give me that oil BS, none of the people see that money) is infinitely worse.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2No, I'm not. I couldn't be more opposed to pouring gas on a child and setting him on fire.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Haha, DUGG DOWN FOR BEING ANTI-CHILD BLAZING
      • antibastard, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4but they'll be so upset when they find out you've given up on them
      • lemac, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9Why don't we start w/ you and get you off of this plant first. Can you for a second see past everything...the person posting this article is doing this to ask for help for this boy. Now because of the circumstances this happened in we are going to let him suffer. Yes, it is the 5 year old's fault his life has been ***** up right and because of "his" people he now deserves this?
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -11/+0Just type the word "with." I am not on a plant. I don't see how the boy can be helped by Digg. I am neither causing or letting him suffer, or able to prevent his suffering. I never implied that it was the victim's fault, nor that he deserved it. Only that I am done feeling compassion for that group of people because they are, always have been, and always will be barbarians. This sucks for every individual in that group who wishes that wasn't their daily reality, but the group, as a whole, is ***** and beyond repair.
      • Exodust, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Can I add that the victim was of the same religion as well?
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3You can. To me, that only says that not only does Islam promote violence against the non-Islamic, but rather that the savagery really knows no bounds. Anyway, I wasn't attributing this violence to Islam. We could guess that the perpetrators were Islamic zealots, and zealots are terrible in any religion. But I'd put my money on they are simply dog-people barbarians who don't give a *****.
          • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5"Dog-people"? Surely a racist bigot like yourself can do better. Alas, something tells me your descriptions are limited by your vocabulary. I'd be surprised if you actually graduated high school, let alone middle school.
          • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Hi Matthew. Please suggest the term you would use for people who light a five year old on fire. Should I have used "misguided" ? I'm sorry it lacked the creative flair you were looking for, and that it wasn't as sympathetic as you would have preferred. I guess everyone has different opinions! (PS - You got me on the highschool thing! I got expelled for using the principle's likeness in a 70's Soviet army recruiting poster. I thought it was funny, he didn't)
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0Also, real quick note on the last axiom you tried to use. Since middle to high school is a progression, you would say "Middle school, let alone high school" . You are, in effect, saying "I doubt that you graduated middle school, and I will 'leave alone' the idea that you graduated high school." You had it the other way around. I mean, I'm not a nitpicker for this kind of stuff, I just noticed that you and I share an interest in things like vocabulary and grammar, so I figured you would appreciate the tip. (The tip is racism free!)
      • umilmi81, on 10/10/2007, -10/+6So sad, but I have to agree. This type of thing only happens when there is a general acceptance of barbaric behavior. The mother of this poor child regrets that her son was burned, but would probably accept the burning of children as a reasonable tactic to achieve whatever it is they are fighting for over there... I'm honestly not even sure what they are trying to achieve by killing each other.
        • iticu, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Me neither, not anymore.
          Maybe the constant war and anarchy has really messed them up.
        • soyman5000, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"Acceptance" of barbaric behavior? I'm sure that mother just "accepted" the fact that her kid got lit on fire. you're a fool.
        • jimmy72, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4The term we're looking for is ethnic cleansing. That's what it boils down to. The sad thing is the fact that it's sectarian. We can't solve prejudice with military might.
      • oddtom, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17It takes a special kind of stupid to see an innocent kid immolated, only to turn around and state that every one of those "dog-people" including that kid should be killed off. Take a look in the mirror: you are precisely what you hate.
        • yagran, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Who are you to day what he is, sure he is being very prejudiced to a lot of people, but lets face the fact that something needs to be done about that country, i'm not sure killing all of them is the way to go, but his motive is correct. how is he what he hates? ***** idiots are what i hate, take a look in the mirror.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2Yeah, I never implied they should be killed or nuked or anything. I said it would be nice if they "died off" but surely that was a stretch, and of course I am not in favor of an entire region just dying suddenly, to pestilence or famine. But at the same time, I don't believe that culture has a right or a privilege to survive any longer. And yes, I do get a say in what some country 6000 miles away is doing. The planet is ***** tiny, this ***** spills over borders, and they make missiles with twenty mile fallout radii. They're savages and I no longer care about their wellbeing because -they- don't care about their own wellbeing.
          • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Racism aside, the rest of your post is indicative of someone who is mentally disturbed. I strongly urge you to seek psychological and mental help. It's affecting your judgment and I won't be surprised if it hasn't already affected your life. Where you recently laid off, by the way?
          • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Against my better judgment, I am going to assume you are not being sarcastic, and so I will offer you this mind-bender: My job is going great. I head the technology and design team for the recruitment marketing department of a Fortune 50. We had a bit too much work to do, so we got the okay to create a new internship position. The candidate I selected hails from India, and he is doing a phenomenal job. Gone are the nights of staying until 9pm, and narrowly missing deadlines. BUT NOW THAT I AM RACIST I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!
        • TrevorBelmont, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Yeah, you did. Yeah, you're an *****. Yeah, enjoy your ban.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1I am enjoying my ban. Enjoy your ban.
      • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -7/+8oh yea? how about all those in the american military who are commiting atrocities as well? everything you said can be said about america, do you remember American troops raping and killing a 14 year old girl and her family in Iraq not to long ago? as bad as this was i would consider that just a tad worse.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1The military attracts individuals with an interest in rape and murder. It also attracts individuals with an interest in honor and service, and in no way would I imply that most military personnel are rapists. But you must admit you will find more wannabe-murderers in a volunteer army infantry battalion than working as CPAs. So soldiers, of any nationality, are more likely than the average citizen to commit a heinous criminal activity. But in the ***** Middle East™, citizens take part in honor killings, hand choppery, immolation, suicide bombings, etc. etc. Indiscriminate violence at the drop of a hat. And the citizens that don't take part, stand by and tolerate it. That's the difference.
      • cheech_sp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Because there aren't any sick American murderers....
        • rewerb, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Reeaaaallly, No sick American murderers....

          Have you ever watched the local news in any big city. Americans are just as likely to do horrible things. We are lucky enough to not be in a situation where the worst of human nature comes out. People here have been saying some pretty surprising things. A minority of people in a war torn country are committing atrocities, that NEVER happens in wars, especially ones we start. One's religion doesn't dictate one's actions, it's just an excuse, a justification, a reason.
        • sabach, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I could introduce you to a few.
      • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -5/+25***** all the racists here. Seriously, ***** you all. People are people, its not like Arabs have some special gene that make them ***** insane and violent. If the US was in a state of near anarchy you would be seeing sick ***** happening there as well. While I'm at it, ***** the media for presenting a one sided view of Islam and the Arab world. I lived there my entire life and I can tell you that everyone there is a human being just like all of you.

        ***** racism.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2it isn't racism. Studying a group's historical behavior and then expecting them to continue that behavior is called pattern recognition. Every thinking creature generalizes, about animals that are dangerous, about foods that will make us sick, and about groups of people that have an alarming suicide bombings per capita. "Its not like Arabs have some special gene that make them ***** insane and violent. If the US was in a state of near anarchy you would be seeing sick ***** happening there as well." I agree that it isn't genetic, and again, that it isn't an issue of race. I'm writing them off BECAUSE their world is in CONSTANT near anarchy, and because they still can't get their ***** together with the REST OF THE WORLD trying to help them. We say "Hey, guys, how about you educate your women and also maybe don't beat them to death with stones" and they say "KAPOW!" because they CAN'T STOP SUICIDE BOMBING THEMSELVES. They don't want to change. That's the problem. They revel in their chaos and anarchy like pigs in mud. It isn't genetic, it is the result of decisions and occupations and wars and religions and corruption and a history spanning thousands of years. Regardless of the reasons or the cosmic unfairness or the history that is responsible for slowly turned them into a trogladytic people, the fact remains that they are, at this point, flesh eating trolls, and no one likes them.
        • TrevorBelmont, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7"***** that entire people, those entire governments, religions, customs and history."
          "Seriously, it is a race of dog-people over there."
          "It's time to face the facts that some people, some races, some collective groups, are just failed as human beings."
          So, it's not racist to condemn a people's race?
          Nice double talk, you narrow minded, bigoted, confused, lost *****.
        • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Samn, you wouldn't know history if it walked up to you and smacked you in the face.
          • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -5/+0Bajeda - Let us perform an experiment. You pick any two countries: One we can both agree is in "The Middle East," and one we can both agree is not in the Middle East. We can then both do independent research, or you can leave that job entirely up to me, and we will see if we can find statistics for the number of suicide bombings in those two countries. I don't have to explain my hypothesis as I'm sure you'll correctly assume it, but I would be interested in seeing if and how you would go about dismissing something like the frequency with which a group of people indiscriminately blows each other up as being unrelated to how savage that group, as a collective, is.
          • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Because the number of suicide bombings - which in itself a novel introduction to guerilla warfare - in a country's or region's history tells you about the behaviour of the people there, as if they are somehow different from the rest of us. Yeah, go ***** yourself. You are obviously racist and no amount of reasonable discourse can help change your mind because you have anger issues. I'm just going ahead and blocking you know, BYE!
          • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Haha, I know for a fact you haven't blocked me, so don't even be tough guy. Look, if you are afraid to discuss ideas that differ from your own, just own up to that and say so. But yes, I -do- believe that people who suicide bomb each other are bad people, and I guess I just assumed that was a universal opinion. I suppose, had you not given up on this debate, you would have argued that it isn't people who decide to explode themselves, but circumstances that make the decisions for them. You're an apologist, and potentially a sympathizer. Any group of people, whether grouped religiously, politically or geographically, who routinely straps bombs to themselves and explode in marketplaces, is a bad group of people. You can lob your "racist" boulders at me all you want, but the fact remains that I have an appreciation for human life you apparently do not share.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Trevor - You and I can't have meaningful dialogue until your reading comprehension improves, or it would just be wasted efforts on both our parts. To give you the satisfaction you're after, though, I'll toss you a bone: I AM AN LOL RACIST. Enjoy your ban.
      • tokyomonster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7i've never blocked anyone on digg before, but your comment was just ***** dumb. regardless of whether or not you agree with islam, or whatever the ***** you don't like about the middle east, this kid was only five, hardly old enough to fully establish what HE believes in. who knows, maybe he was going to break the mold, and become a forerunner in the front for regime and religious change in the middle east, and call for more moderates to speak out against acts like this, and other atrocities committed by religious extremists.

        apparently none of that matters though, because you're a heartless, selfish *****.

        it's different if this is an adult, but the poor kids is FIVE.
        • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -10/+1Thank you for reminding me three times that he is FIVE. I never argued that the kid was not FIVE. I am aware he is FIVE. A heartless, selfish *****? ***** that and ***** you. I will not care about a people who will not care about themselves. Do you know what the very best thing any individual in that culture can do, right now? Get the ***** out of that culture. Do you understand what that means? You are not safe or free or valued when you live in the Middle East. Every day will ***** suck for you. That culture, those people, the religions and governments and everything that goes on over there is poison. Can you say that about the Swedish? Can you say the very best thing a Swede can do for himself is to get the ***** out of Sweden? No, that makes no sense. But the middle east is a failure on a humanitarian level.
      • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2The apologists are out in full force, today!
        • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7How bout the people who aren't complete ***** maniacs, such as most diggers other than yourself.
        • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2People who refuse to agree with you that all Muslims are savages, and that we shouldn't give a damn about their well-being, are not apologists. Nobody is saying what was done here is ok. What we are saying is that assuming this act is representative of "them" is the first step towards the mentality that produced this crime. You're justifying violence in Iraqi communities because "they're all like this". With that mindset, who cares if a US bomb mutilates innocent children in the same way this child was mutilated. They're all savages, right?
          • Samn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0We are talking about a place where the governing body, and a bunch of somber citizens, who bake and repair furniture and have regular jobs, will gather around a woman and cut her hands off for stealing. Or rape her for being raped. Or where the idea of lighting a five year old will actually able to be carried to fruition. I am not talking about the Muslim religion, since that would include way too many people who do not take part in this kind of barbarism. Nor am I justifying or advocating violence, anywhere. Only that I am done trying to care about these people. They are happy in their ***** and I am done with them.
    • Trax91, on 10/10/2007, -15/+5That's it. Digg needs a forum to discuss this kinda stuff. Startin' a topic, anyone behind me?
    • dolemite5005, on 10/10/2007, -39/+6I dugg the story down - nobody likes a beggar.
      • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2Word
      • TheWiseNoob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Nobody likes a cold-hearted bastard either.
      • Homoomo, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1I hope you get set on fire. i wouldnt piss on you to put out the flames
    • novayaisrael, on 10/10/2007, -26/+1I lol'd
      • dogstar0125, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4That's funny because you're going to spend eternity burning like that.
      • Modizzle, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Judging by your name, I can't say that I'm all that surprised. All this ***** started because of Israeli security, which is why we as Americans need to be more aware of who we're voting for, and what their views on Israel are.
    • Shadow503, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4This is the kind of violence our troops are trying to stop, yet people still insist that it is for the good of this country if they leave.
      How many other Youssifs are out there that would be tortured like this if they don't get American protection?
      • iticu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Raping and showing general hate to the Iraqi civilians are a way of trying to stop violence now?

        Or was your sarcasm lost over the internets?
        • Shadow503, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wake up and talk to a real soldier about what's happening. Those are the only stories you hear about from DIGG, try speaking to someone who has actually been there. It's much different out there.

          I'm also glad to see I'm being DUGG down because my post doesn't agree with others' political opinions and they find it easier to censor me than to respond with logic.
    • herbalezence, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I'm trying to get in touch with CNN to see whether there is any way of channelling support directly to the family. If it turns out to be possible, we need to setup a donation account somehow, and transfer the collected money reasonably to the family. Will post updates here.
      • Th3Wiiexpert, on 10/10/2007, -12/+0WTF DUDE??just leave this ***** the way it is. We're not going to donate ***** to that kid because its not our fault he got his face F***** up. If you really want to help, help your country first, i bet theres a homeless man near your house who is starving.Give that money to him.We dont really need to make a million iraqi dinar man.
        • magicker71, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Check the comments on the CNN story... the writer wrote that they are working on a fund to help this kid and will post information about it as soon as they get it set up.
    • bleep1912, on 10/10/2007, -13/+7***** america, see what your doing!!!
      • bleep1912, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1I'm in such a rage i misspelled you're, but you don't deserve the capital in "america".
        ***** america, see what you're doing!!!
      • po43292, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Being American, I can see why someone would jump to the conclusion that this happened because of what has been going on over there, but your broad, sweeping statement about America is wrong. There are crazy people no matter where you are, or what country you're from, and they don't necessarily have to have a reason to do outrageous things like this.
      • cheddarlump, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Right, because Saddam never did bad things to his own people, and everything was great before 2003... F'ing idiot.
      • sinurgy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I don't care what any country did to America, I would never set a 5 year old child on fire you self righteous *****!
    • chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2I buried this because the story has been told but what you want is to shove it in people's face. I'm sorry that ***** happens but that's life. Worse things happen everyday but we don't start a bleeding hearts campaign for them. So get off you high horse and stop telling people what they should be doing on thinking.

      And call me what you want. But before you do I would like to know what you've done that I haven't... anyone?
    • arampapik, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3If you REALLY wanna help, go to anti-islam web sites like http://www.faithfreedom.org/ and EDUCATE yourself. KNOWLEDGE is POWER!!!!!
    • Soniti, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4" Watch the mother describe how she cries at night wracked with guilt "

      Are you serious? What kind of blood-sucking leech at CNN came up with that tagline for their video? ***** disgusting.

      ~Soniti
    • rocketdog7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5this would be perfect for the show doctor 90210, they do pro-bono stuff like this to fill the emptiness of doing superficial cosmetic surgery all of the time.
    • dopey420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Agreed rocketdog7. I hate reality TV. My wife LOVES it. One show I kinna like was "Extreme Home Makeover." Granted they are milking the drama and sorrow of the family s there hooking up for ratings. At least they get there ***** fixed. Also it is people that need it. There where a few makeover/plastic surgery shows out there that help blah people out. Granted they fell out the ugly tree.
      I guarantee this. If a show or USA helped. Someone would bitch about how the "There are Americans that need that. Why help others." Haters out there that bitch no matter what. "Why are you worried about this when this is going on?"
      Another side note. To much depressing ***** out there. I think that is why kids and the rest of the world is going crazy. ***** Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, The Great Pumpkin. Kids now days turn on the TV or login and see so many truths that there parents wished they have or have not learned latter in life.

    • wherley, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A followup CNN story gives details on the reaction
      http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/23/iraq.boyfolo/index.html
      and how to help
      https://www.applyweb.com/public/contribute?s=childb
  • dartmanx, on 10/10/2007, -92/+37Wow, the religion of peace. Even the Phelps clan from Westboro Baptist doesn't grab kids off the street and set them on fire.
    • CaptainNoPants, on 10/10/2007, -24/+17They would if they thought they were gay.
    • mikehosek, on 10/10/2007, -10/+18Don't bring religion into this. Every religion has its fanatics. You should watch "Gods Warriors "on CNN to get a better idea.
      • miriclaire, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Yeah--tonight it's the American fanatics--but I bet they don't burn kids...anymore.
        • indicas, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4tonight is Muslims, tomorrow is Christians
        • Liam76, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2When did they burn kids?
          I am sure that the muslim episode won't cover recent crusifictions, forced conversions, killing of apostates, burning little kids, stoning of people who marry out of faith, blaming rape on women etc.
        • dartmanx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Again, so these guys get a pass because Christians aren't perfect? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
      • dartmanx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Ah, I forgot that I'm supposed to forgive this sort of thing because the Christians don't have a perfect past. My mistake.

        The vast majority of this has to do with groups whose primary affiliation is to Shiite Muslims, not the Boy Scouts. If they want to identify as Muslims, I'll accept it.
    • mikehosek, on 10/10/2007, -15/+4Don't bring religion into this. Every religion has its fanatics. You should watch "Gods Warriors "on CNN to get a better idea.
      • xrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yep and every fanatic reads more literally from their holy texts than a moderate or liberal, and in that sense, can claim to be a truer adherent. Further, the moderates allow themselves to be associated with the radicals by refusing to change their name and in that manner provide the "cover" necessary for the crazies to operate. You should turn off CNN and go read a book.
    • PIPBoy2000, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3@dartmanx
      As much as i despise religion (especially Islam) i gotta say, "you are one ignorant *****"
    • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26Blaming this on Islam is like blaming car crashes on GM.
      • Liam76, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3No it isn't.
        Can you name any other religious group in recent times that has celebrated people who open fire on innocent chinldren (palestenian gunmen snipers killing women and children in cars, and shooting up bar mitzvah's, rocket attacks that kill children, etc). Can you name any other group that has made heroes out of people who were killed in the act of killing children. Not accidently killing children while trying to hit someone who was armed mind you, but someone who was deliberately trying to hit unarmed civilians and children.

        You can't. And unless you can then I don't see how you can't place the blame for this on Islam(blaming islam doesn't mean you think all muslims are capable or support things like this, just that their religion motivates it).
        • jimmy72, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Not all muslims are terrorists. However, most terrorists that are currently making headlines, are muslim.
        • Liam76, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1jimmy,
          I agree with your first statement wholeheartedly. However most terroristic attacks taking place in the world are by muslims, not just the onew reported. Also there is no terrorist group, that I know of, that uses similiar tactics across half the world other than muslims (from England to Thailand). Also I have yet to learn of a terrorist group that celebrates the deaths of children (Islamic terrorists do).
        • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Islam is an excuse, not a motivator. Don't confuse the two.
        • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Don't confuse things. Your ignorance is very telling. First off, resisting an illegal occupation, constant violations of basic human rights and defending ones home, family and land is HARDLY terrorism. The Palestinians should NOT be lumped into the madness that is Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. Those who do, need to read up on some history first and get their facts straight.
        • rgodfrey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Terrorism is not a religious tactic, it's a political one. It's silly to talk about it in religious terms. Should we blame Catholicism for the terrorist acts of the IRA, or Hinduism for the suicide bombings by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka?

          Both groups (and all terrorist organizations, ever) had/have supporters who applaud the actions of their militants, even when innocent people are killed.
        • Narasil, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0The problem is that Islam IS political, it makes no bones that there can't be a legitimate separation of church and state. Islam is politics and politics is Islam. It's the reason they're still stuck in the 14th century and we were able to have the Renaissance.
        • maherjabr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Liam76... you sir are an idiot
      • pahool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1More like blaming hit and runs on GM...
    • Alexa42, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7According to the article: "No one has been arrested and the motive remains unknown."
      You can't say for certain these men were Islamic or even Iraqi...
      • majua41, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0 "You can't say for certain these men were Islamic or even Iraqi..." Yea........ well you might be right,but I bet my left one they weren't Hindu, Buddhist , Catholic, Protestant or Jewish.
        • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They don't call you righty for nothin' eh? lol
        • Alexa42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right, because no atrocities have never been committed in the name of those religions
      • Liam76, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I am sure that is was part of some foreign military who attacked the son of a security guard, or probably one of the 60 or so jews left in Iraq. After all there are no muslim groups that have said working with westerners should be punishable by death, and they have no reason to send a horrible message to them.
        • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1You're sure this and you are sure that. Liam, stop with the assumptions and shut the ***** up already. Your 4th grade logic is boring at best.
        • Alexa42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Simply put, you have no way of knowing that there was a religious motivation for this crime, regardless of the perpetrator's ethnicity. People with attitudes like yours just stir up more hate and discontent so this feud between the Abrahamic religions can keep on going for another two thousand years.
    • goodfellaNW, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Being from that part of the world (Syria), I can clearly agree with dartmanx. Islam is the root of the problem. Yes, all religions breed fanatics. But certain religions breed more fanatics, and worse certain religions breed violent fanatics
    • Pritchard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Didn't hear a damn word about this being religiously motivated, did we? The bliss of ignorance. I'm sure it's comforting to be able to sit down and believe such things, not having to think more deeply and intelligibly about any of it. Blame it on religion. Mark groups with that of hunt. It's so damned simple.
    • FongoBongo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@ Mike house

      Let me ask your something. When was last time you heard ANYONE being dragged out of their homes and lit a fire in America, Canada, or the freaking EU. This doesn't happen in Western countries. The fact of the matter is, we value life, they don't. That mentality was clearly displayed when some "fanatics" dragged a five year old boy and doused him in gas and lit him on fire. Don't even begin to try to understand the type of people who would do this. You literally have to be the essence of evil to even contemplate that. These people deserve to die for an eternity.
  • maggiesue0303, on 10/10/2007, -17/+40I saw this story just now on CNN. My heart is so sore now. We gotta get this story out.
    • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -17/+7No, we ***** don't. If it's on CNN, it's already out. This kid doesn't need an entire country's support when we're the ones who pretty much did it to him. Donate to the Red Cross or Peace Corps if you want to help this kid, not some ***** privatized charity.
      • MattInChicago, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Gee, next time I see a issue raised against US Soldiers hitting someone by mistake I hope to read you saying the same thing! Why do I doubt that?
        • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You doubt that because you rarely base your statements on facts, but on pure horse *****.
    • Mouser58907, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4One more reason the war in Iraq is justified, open your eyes people.
      • rgodfrey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5This is not justification, this is consequence. This kid would not have been burned if we hadn't invaded his country.
      • skealoha86, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1yeah, you're sort of an idiot
    • skealoha86, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1This isn't fair to the 70,000-76,000 Iraq civilians who were killed by our military (collateral damage). For some reason, everybody thinks Iraq was a third world country before we invaded and somehow things like this kids story happened every day. They didn't. We Americans just need a face to put on every topic in order to relate (Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, but ignore the underlings that actually carried out the disgusting acts like the SS). Maybe this will swing everybody's opinion on the Iraq war because it's a CUTE KID that got all ***** up by some gang members in Iraq, when really we shouldn't have ripped out the infrastructure of their country in the first place and turned it into a third-world country without clean water and electricity where these sort of unchecked outbursts can happen.
      • Shadow503, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ripped the infrastructure out of their country?!? Are you seriosly that brainwashed? Have you ever even spoke to someone who was over there? A large amount of our soldiers stationed there are working on building infrastructure that was never there in the first place.
  • MattInChicago, on 10/10/2007, -81/+43What makes me mad is if this had been done by US soldiers, can you imagine the outcry, the streets filled with people, this would be dugg up in the thousands, but because it's the insurgents we just shrug our shoulders. Because it's just more muslim on muslim violence the muslim community turns and looks away. F-ing hypocrites all and we wonder why the world is in the state it's in.
    • ncairns, on 10/10/2007, -21/+12What you just said is stupid on so many levels.
      • Alpione, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13He's right, though. There would have been an international outcry with anti-war zealots using this as some sort of faux evidence that US soldiers are monsters. But becaues it was Iraqii on Iraqii, it's a fringe headline...
        • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The same reason why abortion clinic bombers don't make headlines, but some Muslim pizza delivery guy does when he brags about storming a military base with pepperoni.
      • dan.stryker, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Brilliant comment ncairns... If you nothing to say, then DON'T!
      • BradMW, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I agree, it was a dumb comment. This is the kind of thing insurgents are likely to do in the minds of most people. It is completely different for soldiers who are supposedly there to help to perform a similar act. You cannot compare the two.
        • MattInChicago, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why not? You're saying violence is different? Do you think this boy gives a ***** who did this? My point was I am tired of the anti-US, anti-US Soldier comments here and wonder why ***** like this happens every damn day and no one speaks for the children. Even here people find a way to blame this on the US. Yes, we should just get out of there and let them all have at it. If the muslim community put as much effort into things like this, how about a fatwa on the guy that did this, than on some scrubby english author, maybe ***** would actually change over there. Until then...I'm sad for the children yet to be harmed or killed in the next roadside bomb. Peace and Blessings Be Upon You.
    • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Uh yeah, if US soldiers did this it would be international news. That's because we claim to be there to help the country restabilize itself after we destabilized it. US soldiers killing children would reveal a different motivation all together. That's not to say the Muslim community ignores this story. The side that was victimized is angry and wants vengeance. The side that did the victimizing feels it was justice for past wrongs. Apply the same thinking to your opinions about the welfare of US soldiers versus the welfare of Iraqi insurgents, and you'll see that you're no different than they are.
    • tscholz, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2I dugg it down because of the "PLEASE Digg this story up." part. Please don't tell me what to do, just tell me the message and let me make up my mind!
      • Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Please stop acting like an immature an idiot.
    • wonkavsn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's generally not a good idea to judge the state of the world based on assumptions, kiddo.
    • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2What makes you think it wasn't done by US soldiers?
    • mmajor24, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2.. it IS dugg up in the thousands.
    • ncairns, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, he's not right. If US soldiers did this, it would *absolutely* be bigger news than when insurgents do it - because the insurgents do this kind of thing EVERY SINGLE ***** DAY. If we're going to measure our own soldiers against them, we might as well give up any pretension that we're really trying to 'capture their hearts and minds' in any but a literal sense.
    • amphoterous, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Not to be a downer or anything... but U.S. soldier's have had their own hand in the mess:
      http://digg.com/world_news/Rape_and_Murder_of_Iraqi_girl_gets_Soldier_110_years_in_jail
    • supermanred, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2STFU thousands have been killed by US soldiers, rapes have occured and more. One was a 12 year old girl. Iraqis will hate the US for the rest of their lives and their childrens childrens lives. And nobody in the US seems to mind that Bush is attacking the WRONG COUNTRY and ignoring his so called war on terror. THATS the part that is turning the whole world against the US. At least if people in the US were mad or protesting, but they dont seem to give a *****. It is after all only Iraqis and not blessed Americans dying, so who gives a ***** if Bush is attacking for personal reasons (revenge and greed)...

      I dont know if America will ever recover from Bush. Another empire falls, big deal they have fallen so often in history.
  • safacles, on 10/10/2007, -4/+169The more things change, the more they stay the same. I thought we were supposed to have moved passed this level of barbarism as a race. To target a child, set them on fire, and cower back into the shadows -- is this humanity?
    • bailuff, on 10/10/2007, -7/+48No, it's the radical jihadists being themselves. Wastes of flesh.
      • miriclaire, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18Dugg a hundred times if I could! People need to wake up to these vicious, deluded hateful excuses for humans.
        • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13I think it would be faster to just tell them: "GTFO if you're with us, otherwise later." and then nuke the whole ***** place and turn it into a lake or parking lot, or a giant megamall. Make it the Wal-Mart global headquarters, I dont' ***** care. I just don't want to hear about it or waste our resources as a country on it anymore.
          • nakani, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Holy *****... this guy has 9 Diggs. *****' scary!
        • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6People need to stop assuming these psychopaths represent the majority of Muslims too.
          • Elektriq, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4That has nothing to do with it right now, jesus ***** christ.
          • drouk1556, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6The majority of Muslims need to start speaking out against these psychopaths.
          • xrod, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1The majority of Muslims need to sit down, read the Koran, see how it can inspire such hate, rip out a fist full of pages of ***** they don't observe anyway, and then apologize for not doing it faster.
      • b1gm1ke, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14It's interesting that the article says "masked men" doused and burned this child. It doesn't say insurgents. It could just as easily have been US soldiers or CIA "black ops" or private contractors. No wait that's crazy talk...no US soldier or representative would ever do something so inhuman and depraved.....um.....right?...
        • thugok, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11Take your ***** conspiracy theory and shove it up your ass. The kid was attacked because his father is a security officer. Read the ***** article.
          • underthelinux, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6"No one has been arrested and the motive remains unknown."

            2nd paragraph, 2nd line.

            "Her husband works as a security guard, and it's too dangerous for him to talk to the media."
            Doesn't mean Youssif was attacked for his father's profession.

            Reading comprehension pal.
        • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6"It's interesting that the article says "masked men" doused and burned this child. It doesn't say insurgents. It could just as easily have been US soldiers or CIA "black ops" or private contractors."

          You really need to stop getting your news from Digg. You've really lost all perspective on what is happening in the world.
          • nakani, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Wikipedia and Digg have shown us that reality is subjective. Where do you get your reality from?
      • sevenmania, on 02/02/2008, -0/+0womanenter.com
    • NateDiggle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Like you say the more things change the more they stay the same. This act of savagery has probably been in use since the discovery of fire (or fuels for that matter). It's inherent in our species, unfortunately.
      • NinjaBoy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2And people wonder why aliens haven't landed.
        Alien: Hey lets land there
        Alien2: ***** THAT! They just lit a little boy on fire!
    • babakshirazi, on 10/10/2007, -12/+11
      This is how terrorists operate. They aren't afraid to do ***** like this but we kick a prisoner and the Democrats are ready to throw our soldiers in jail. This war is already lost. You'll be praying to Mecca within 40 years for sure because the west doesn't have the balls to fight. We've become pussies.
      • jimmy72, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I'll be praying to Mecca when monkies fly out of your ass. I'll fight it to my dying breath. I'll go all, "Red Dawn." Speak for yourself.
      • Hawking, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Oh, your one of those guys that think they are going to swim over here.
    • loveandrockets, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15The kid probably worshipped Allah in a different way than his attackers. He is infidel and must be taught a lesson.

      (***** savages.)
    • orph3us, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11There were bullies in my school, who no doubt, if surrounded by the same chaos that there is in Iraq, would perform the same type of atrocities. It is the human race. It's the fact that people don't understand there own pain, so they take it out on others. It's not right, but it happens. Start by fixing yourself, then your neighborhood, and so on.... It's unfortunate but it's reality.
      • Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2But no, it has to be the evil religion of Islam that wants to conquer the West and make everyone their slaves! The combination of rabid Arab genes with the demonic religion is what caused all pain and suffering in the history of the region. /sarcasm
    • PerfectVictim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Is this humanity?

      Yes.
    • WorldLeader, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Remember what Columbus did to the Native Americans when he first landed in the New World? They gave selflessly all their valuable possessions to the Spanish, and in return were slaughtered by the millions.

      Columbus and his men would institute a policy where every Indian would have to bring to them a certain amount of gold. If they did this, they got a bronze medal. Anyone who they found without a medal was fair game for target practice or worse. In one documented event two little Indian boys were walking, each with a parrot. The Spanish cut both boys hands off and watched them bleed to death, while killing their pet parrots. THAT isn't human, but yet they were Europeans.
    • skjalff, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1No, its not humanity. Its the self justifying face of religion.
    • daz80, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Are any of you familiar with the atrocities happening in Africa for the last umpteen years? Millions have died over diamonds and weapons. 10 yr olds are routinely recruited and sent to fight. We never hear about this tho.....thats what gets me. Lindsay Lohan crashes her car and its all over the news, but when hundreds of villagers are raped and slaughtered, it doesnt get a mention? I think the media need to rethink their top stories. I thought that was the role of the media: to create awarness. Unfortunately, it seems many of the media groups have been manipulated into being a tool for govt departments. Violence creates more violence, its an unfortunate vicious cycle
      • ineedanswers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0So true, the blood diamond situation in Africa could use the Hollywood feature film treatment to raise awareness on the issue.
      • shupy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Well, one reason Reagan was so popular was he truly believed we'd all be happy if it was just Ozzie and Harriet time again. The 80's was the don't worry, be happy decade. Americans do not like to see the truth. They will always gravitate to those politicians willing to lie to them.
    • shupy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0This is fundamentalism at work. They think they are God warriors.
  • mhmck05, on 10/10/2007, -9/+224how could anyone possibly do this? how does a person get to the point where they are oblivious to a small child? things like this just prove that there are people in this world who are truly evil.
    • krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -17/+5"Evil" is for people that believe in witches, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus. It's actually ignorance and despair. It's the same thing that makes people dump gasoline on Themselves and light it. At least the latter is slightly more efficient toward the cure.
      • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Nope, "evil" is for Evil people. You can rationalize if it makes you feel good. As you come to a better understanding of how tortured their lives are and their despair leads them to do such things, there are always people who's hearts push them to help others even in dire situations. Evil is not caused by circumstance, evil exists in the hearts of men.
      • scotsman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Couldn't agree more. The term "evil" is ridiculous and thrown around by ignorant people. This sort of barbaric behaviour (what happened to the child) is what happens to people who are desperate and ignorant beyond what anyone could imagine. That doesn't excuse what happened at all, but can we leave these biblical/religious words like "evil" out of it?
    • johnhummel, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3(sarcasm)
      Oh, well, obviously God told them to do so. Because after all, God hates children. And gay people. And women. And anyone who isn't of your particular ethnic group or creed or religious sect. Isn't it convenient that God just happens to hate the same people as me?
      (/sarcasm)

      The sad thing is, too many people think like this. And all you can do is wonder why, and try to make your own corner of the world a little better.
    • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3The people who did this feel that their children have been brutally killed by the sect this child belongs to. They feel that since their enemies killed their children, their only choice is to retaliate in kind. When the US invaded Iraq, there were many civilian casualties, mostly because our enemies there hid amongst the civilian population. We bombed anyway, with the reasoning that to defend ourselves, and the greater population, some civilians deaths were acceptable losses. Do not think these people are so different than us.
      • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Yes, they are so different. They are not attacking targets, they are blowing up crowds of people. We didn't just say "hey theres a big group of folks, bomb 'em!" Sure mistakes are made casualties suck, innocent lives get lost. But you can't compare this crap. Second, they weren't attacking the US forces or Iraqi government forces. They were attacking a child, intentionally. Why must you rationalize every evil act?
        • underthelinux, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Becuase its hardly ever the difference between rational and irrational. While it may seem irrational to you, there's always a reason/motive, meaning its rational to someone somewhere. If you try and figure out the rationale, you're closer to figuring out how to stop it.

          I'm not saying its excusable or even understandable.
        • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm not rationalizing. This was a disgusting act committed by people who in my mind cannot be rehabilitated and deserve no sympathy. I'm saying that the fact that this happened is not evidence that these people are fundamentally different than us. In other words, these people weren't born that way, they were created. You, however, are rationalizing the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq by US forces, saying that they were simply "mistakes". It's not a mistake if you know it's going to happen, it's a calculated expense. In my mind, that decision being made by political opportunists is every bit as disgusting.
        • dillibob, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3ever hear of the firestorm in world war 2? we destroyed cities, not crouds of people, not even army bases. cities. the firestorms were worse than the Hiroshima droppings (which in my opinion were still pretty bad) and that was intentional and we killed hundreds of little kids like this
          • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I didn't realize we were still fighting World War 2.
          • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes that's true, when we are at war with a country civilian casualties are unavoidable. That's why the decision to go to war needs to be made with such care. In WWII we were attacked, and to defend ourselves we had to strike back. In Iraq we decided to go to war because we thought the net effect would be positive. I'd challenge you to present any fantasy scenario that is at all realistic that would compensate for all the deaths our presence has caused.
      • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3dupe comment, sorry.
    • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2How do they get to the point? Take America for instance. We kill thousands if not tens of thousands of unborn children a day and it's called choice. We start wars that kill and disable tens of thousands of American and it's called fighting for freedom. We let peope suffer and die from lack of healthcare because greedy people would rather fund war than healthcare. People advocate killing people for their religion or morals. So we are left with no right or wrong. Just savagery. THAT is how you get to the point that life has no value.
      • dapple, on 10/10/2007, -6/+0Off topic, but what really gets me is the people who are pro-abortion, but anti-death penalty...
        • BGFeltenink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They're pro-choice. There is no choice in the death penalty. I won't comment any further on the underlying subjects of those two debatable topics.
    • aryo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1this is obviously a product of the war. only in times of war would acts of savagery that would normally be unthinkable become doable. it's still ***** wrong, and even if i were in the wronged side of a war, there is no way i'd go so far as that.
    • rolty125, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2First, go check a history book and it will show that alot of people of done things to children. Second, They get the point across BECAUSE IT IS A CHILD. If it was a adult, this stry wouldn't have probably be made popular. Third, good and evil are in the eyes of the beholder, not that i am not agreeing that this is a good thing to do, and when you are in a society where the average person or group can on get recognized when the do something dramatic.
    • outfaller, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Everybody is evil. Most just hold it back.
    • shupy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0This is the unfortunate truth. Somehow those that seem to believe they are acting on the orders of God are often capable of such horrendous acts.Fundamentalism in action
    • Pritchard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Well, there's a kid. Why do you care about them? Lots of people will torture all sorts of animals. See anything not human as inferior. Happens to humans among us. We distance ourselves from others. Some people get a tease out of other's screams. Wonder what the kind of person picking on some kid was thinking. Probably along the lines of, "Easy. Target."

      Can't really say that this story was so sad, nor can I say that contacting the media was a smart move. Who knows, however. Ya know, that shows bravery, as these kinds of things happen and a lot are too afraid to take it to the masses. And yes, it's a scary thing. Sometimes you just don't have that comfort of being around someone who will protect you before backup arrives. Where if you make a move, or even show sign of making it, someone's going to lurch out and attack you while you wait.

      These things do happen, however. They happen all the time. People get burned alive, mutilated alive and tortured in all sorts of ways unimaginable. They're treated like little household dolls. Poke them and watch the reaction. Play around with their body. The sooner people come to realize how common this is, the better. Maybe more people would be willing to act :-)
  • deeboe, on 10/10/2007, -9/+33This is one of the saddest things I have ever read.
    • edrift101, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Worse than the story of American troops raping and killing a 14 year old girl and her family in Iraq?

      Family murdered
      He said: "During the time me and Barker were raping Abeer, I heard five or six gunshots that came from the bedroom. "After Barker was done, Green came out of the bedroom and said that he had killed them all, that all of them were dead." Cortez added: "Green then placed himself between Abeer's legs to rape her. When Green was finished, he stood up and shot Abeer in the head two or three times." The entire crime took about five minutes and the girl knew her parents and sister had been shot while she was being raped, the hearing heard.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm
      • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5He said one of. I'm assuming that would be in there too. And yes, that too was awful and disgusting.
    • thepompano, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5That's because it's P-P-P-PROPAGANDA
  • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -24/+258"Insurgents?" I doubt this incident had anything to do with the Iraqi insurgency. This is sectarian terrorism - one ethnic or religious group trying to push another group out of a particular area of baghdad. This kind of thing is extremely common and in some cases supported by members of the Iraqi government, military, and police.
    • ellabee, on 10/10/2007, -12/+44This is ellabee, I submitted this story.

      I have seen a few comments so far questioning the involvement of insurgents. I believed I had read that as I was initially reading this boy's story. I made a mistake; the identites and alliances of the men in masks who tortured this boy is not yet known.

      For those that have buried this submission as inaccurate: I know you are trying to keep facts in check, and rightly so. But please don't bury this story just for my mistake in mentioning the insurgency as the perpetrators. Don't let my mistake be the reason this story doesn't get all the attention it deserves.

      Thank you, fellow Diggers.
      • zadadka, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Those that Dugg ellabee down, get a life, he's right.

        If you look at what the father does, you may well find it is not sectarian, but is indeed the more likely to be a despicable action by insurgents who "promised" action against anyone (translators etc etc) helping the Coalition Forces....for them AND their families.

        As ever, the real casualties are the innocent.
        • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3The father is a "security guard," that doesn't necessarily mean he's associated with the Coalition. He could just as easily be guarding Iraqi assets. But you do have a good point.
      • griffindj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I feel for this boy's story, but by digging it I would be endorsing your mis-information. I really feel bad for the boy, but you can't just place blame on someone.

        Submit a new story with correct information and I will digg it up. Otherwise this will just serve as propaganda and I cannot support that.
        • ellabee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2that was the most mature, cogent, and literate rebuttal and refusal to digg that i've seen in this entire thread of comments. DUGG. Peace.

          respectfully, ellabee
      • griffindj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Just reading down further at more comments that say "the insurgents are animals" upsets me to no end. They may be animals, but this has no evidence of them being involved. It could have been a local gang, or just some sicko. This would be like blaming the Nazi's for JFK's assasination.

        Just because of your innocent mistake in the description, hundreds if not thousands of digg readers are going to spread misinformation to their family and friends about a poor boy disfigured by insurgents, and will no doubt fuel the fire for many right leaning americans who are on the fence about this war.
      • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2How about burying it because it's propaganda? Yeah, the story doesn't come out and say "Those evil Iraqis", but it leads it's readers down an emotional path to try and conclude it. And yes, this is deliberate. PS - What makes you think it wasn't American soldiers who did it to try to make the Iraqis look bad? And before you say "Americans wouldn't do that" or "If you think Americans did it then here's how evil you are" blah blah blah BS, try researching what American soldiers HAVE DONE in Iraq.
    • 3dom, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Why does his story need to be told? How will digging this story change the slightest thing about his life? I don't see why this story should get attention for anything other than for its particularly emotive content - ***** up ***** happens to people all the time. No digg.
    • Endtroducing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Sectarian terrorism is essentially run by the insurgency.
      • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Oh right, I forgot that our enemy in Iraq is only one monolithic group composed of Sunnis and Shiites working together against the Shiite government, and also working together to cause violence in Sunni and Shia neighborhoods for sectarian purposes. That's it.
      • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Sectarian terrorism was a deliberate creation of the US govt.
        1. Paying Iraqi's $10,000 for information about who is a suspected terrorist where there was a history of sectarian issues.
        2. Torturing those accused terrorists at Abu Ghraib and many other facilities.
        3. "Accidentally" releasing the video of Saddam's hanging.
        4. Arming the different factions.

        These are all steps towards a deliberate goal. The longer this war goes on, the more money Halliburton and the oil companies make.
    • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3I wish I could bury this ***** story 1000 times. You're all blind if you think any amount of intervention will ever help this part of the world. I still vote for nuke it and forget it.
      • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So in your view we should pull our soldiers out of Iraq immediately?
      • anti-net, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You shouldn't be allowed to vote - Too stupid!
    • rhawk301, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The "insurgency" according to the Iraqi's are all the troops over there, US/Canada etc. If they were in masks, it could have been anyone, including false flag terror from other nations trying to provoke more violence. Regardless of who did it, this boy should get help. Partisan world-wide politics aside, we need to always support the children! I caution everyone to stop being so emotional and find out why the violence is happening in the first place.
      • MatttK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Err.. there aren't (officially) Canadian troops in Iraq, FYI.
    • plaing, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1care to provide some corroborating evidence that 'this kind of thing' [the burning of a child] is 'supported by members of the iraqi government, military, and police.' that's a pretty bold statement.
    • MatttK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@swrostmore, I think you missed the memo that said all enemies of the US are insurgents. You're with us or against us!
    • Hmoobgolian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1For what it's worth, we don't know who did this... Not to say anything bad about the article, it's a sad sad story, especially with it being just a kid. I just hope that the US had nothing to do with this, meaning creating a sob story like this to keep us in IRAQ. Imagine, top secret missions to create havoc in IRAQ, to keep us there. If so, I hope karma gets to them 100 fold. In the end, you will be judged... How heavy is your heart??...
  • tdrizzle, on 10/10/2007, -58/+16Buried as inaccurate, the surge is working.
    • wiggles, on 10/10/2007, -14/+14Listen you sarcastic schmuck, you pull our troops out today and see how many more stories like this one make the front page.
      • natenovs, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2none will make the front page. the events will happen but the world wont be watching
        • LembasBread, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Of course, even more would happen. They just won't be reported.
      • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1The US govt's troops (get it through your head, "we" don't have troops. They aren't "our" troops), are over there deliberately causing sectarian violence. This may be an example. DO you claim to "just know" the people under those masks "Must have been the people CNN and FOX keep telling me is the enemy"?
        • miriclaire, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1The US cannot police the world and still look after itself. These people are everywhere. The twisted ***** don't need an excuse, they'll find one, make one up. The US being there--or being anywhere-will not change their hearts: they have none.
      • Trublmakr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Even if this little boy was maimed by "insurgents" (no reason I can imagine to set a kid on fire no matter what your agenda,.. an errant missile strike however,...) there are plenty more like him that were maimed by red-blooded Americans. Does it just feel better to blame the horrible destruction of a kids life on savage evil insurgents instead of looking in the mirror? Sarcasm my ass,.. it's the truth.
    • Rustbelt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2You see, there's aline where partisan politics isn't relevant to the conversation anymore. Look way behind you to see that line.
    • dan.stryker, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0tdrizzle should go to Iraq for that comment...
    • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yup, our additional roadblocks and troop patrols will resolve the sectarian violence that has plagued Iraq for hundreds of years. We just need 6 more months. We can't leave because the violence will get worse until a new warlord takes control of the country, then at that point the killing will take place in government orchestrated genocide, like it did under Saddam. Nation building is a terrific idea.
    • m4rk0551, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0Yo ***** you.
    • spvaland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I guess no one got it.
  • Viper323, on 10/10/2007, -7/+8That's horrible...
  • MASTERPL, on 10/10/2007, -41/+22Those *****....

    Sorry to play devils advocate here, but don't we have scarred/burned/disfigured children in the United States too?
    Why don't we try to support and "take care of" our own FIRST.
    • cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13We do. There are tons of hospitals set up specifically for children. Iraq has no such facilities and that's why they want to spread the story, so that he may have a chance to come to America to receive therapy and reconstruction.
      • spaceninja, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Thing is that no one cares if it happens to someone in the US. We have alot of homeless people with children, children with scars etc. No one cares about them. Is it sad? Yes it is, but it isn't our problem. There is a reason that the rest of the worlds hates us, it is because we go in wanting to help, people don't always want help. Look at all the African aid, they want us to stop and no one wants to listen.
        • cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Pretty big generalization to say that no one cares for children at home.
      • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2If they're coming to America for lots of experimental or aesthetic surgery, they better have some ***** excellent insurance. You know how it goes over here, they SHOULD be talking to Cuba for healthcare.
    • Rustbelt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Are we not? I thought Shriners were dedicated to that very purpose.
    • DreKor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It all depends on how an individual defines "we", "ours", "them", and "theirs".
      • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Bill Clinton jokes on this article are just pure fail.
    • Ghost3r, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8isnt it about time people start using "we" to refer the to entire human race rather than just their country
      • Exodust, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I need to digg this up 1000 times
      • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Nope. It sounds really nice to say that. But utopia doesn't exist and won't exist. While you play the "we" game, the rest of the world is playiing the "us against them" game. Politically correct sound bites might help you sleep at night but the rest of the world needs action.
        • Eliza101, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4YOU'RE playing the "us against them" game by saying "the rest of the world...."
          • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Agreed. That is the point of my comment.
        • geekfrom99, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1yes i do believe that was the gist of his comment
    • kernokerno, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4"Sorry to play devils advocate here, but don't we have scarred/burned/disfigured children in the United States too?
      Why don't we try to support and "take care of" our own FIRST."

      Sorry to play devil's advocate here, but don't you have a lot of problems IN the United States too?
      Why don't you solve YOUR problems and then try to solve other countries problems with wars?
      • Emijo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Well said, i've always wonderd how some americal people see this invasion as something possitive.. It's clear that you cannot create democracy in another country by invading it, it's quite contradictory.
        • xrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We (us Americans) just don't like to be wrong in front of all you weak ass pussies who couldn't even scratch us if you tried. So if we say it'll be positive, it's damn right gonna be positive.... somehow. =]

          "It's clear that you cannot create democracy in another country by invading it, it's quite contradictory."

          Hey don't you tell us how to create democracy! WE CREATED IT!
        • Frostbone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You may have created it in the past but now, you are certainly destroying it.
    • saltinekracka20, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0that's pretty selfish.
    • lolmax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I cant stand it when people refer to the other people in our country as "our own". Since when are people in other countries not your fellow human beings?
  • wildsnake, on 10/10/2007, -19/+31The Devil is people
  • opethlike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24Stuff like this has always happened and always will. Intelligence and moral thought is not common to all people that belong to the human race.
  • Hybride, on 10/10/2007, -26/+9Damn Iraqis! Oh please, keep the American troops there... they could have killed the baddies - do it for the childen! GOD BLESS CNN!
    / sarcasm
  • RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12What are we supposed to do when there's an entire movement of people that have no problem doing something like this?

    What do we do?
    • SteelChicken, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6leave (or go back in time and never go)
      • Wargalas, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5Ok, we'll leave. When you read about another child injured or killed in Iraq by the monsters who did this, then we can blame you for it.
        • TheHydrogens, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yes, we can blame him... because it will be directly his fault for forcing those soldiers to begrudgingly leave Iraq. There are horrible monstrous acts committed in every country in the world. It isn't even possible that the US, in Iraq or anywhere else, could stop everything bad from happening.
        • Synn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4This happened while we are there, so it's not like it makes a difference.
          • Wargalas, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4So you're ok with giving monsters like this free reign and not have to worry about US soldiers kicking down their door? Perhaps a bit of history is in order for you. Just look up the 1991 uprising against Saddam and the subsequent slaughter that happened because he knew we weren't coming back.
          • RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4But we're still there now, and this is still happening.
          • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1"This happened while we are there, so it's not like it makes a difference."

            What if it starts happening 10 times a day after the US leaves?
    • cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Train and support those that will eventually prevent this kind of thing from happening, or bring down justice when it does.
      • RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2That hasn't gone very well, in case you haven't noticed. The people we're training either run away or have no concept of law beyond their own ideals.
        • cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You obviously haven't been to Iraq.
    • krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Thank plate tectonics for giving us "continents".
    • JangoFett, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Nuke 'em from obrbit, it's the only way to be sure.
      • RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6So, they're right about us, then.
        • thesurfingroach, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0It was a quote from the movie Aliens....
      • DiscoLando, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wait just a minute ... there's a significant dollar value tied to this base...
    • babakshirazi, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Nuke the *****' whole joint.
      • BungaloBob26, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A-*****-Men.
        And all of you who whine about this statement think about his: We wouldn't have to worry about them anymore.
        • nakani, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We'd only have to worry about sick ***** like you.
          Watch the movie Grave of the Fireflies. We demonized the Japanese on the same level during WWII, and innocent civilians including children ended up being nuked/firebombed.
    • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Increase public funding of education to prevent religious fundamentalism from infecting children.
      • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Most useful comment I've seen yet. The govt. there are too cheap to provide public education, and therefore, poor people send their kids to religious schools, since it's free. The religious schools then teach them their fundamentalist views.
      • nakani, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We must increase public education to eliminate propaganda!
    • tblasko, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Impeach Bush, get some qualified leaders in place to make some important decisions based on sound evidence and historical perspective. Consult people who know what their talking about, not some paper pushing American "Aide" wearing a tie every day and who's sat at a desk at the white house for the past 5 years.
      • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I don't think withdrawing from Iraq will help stop kids from getting burned alive there. They only solution I've seen from the Democrats is a "pahsed" withdrawal with no plan for the aftermath in Iraq.
    • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Are you referring to the neocons?
    • spvaland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Invade Iran?
    • eryximachus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Rule with swift, consistent, and brutal justice. Any time a crime like this is committed, execute every adult male in the entire village, neighborhood, or whatever. For maximum effect, crucify them.

      Every adult male must be immediately drafted into the military, with the express purpose of preventing these kinds of attacks. Every village and neighborhood must a fortress, with the ultimate responsibility placed upon those cowards who refused to defend him.
  • pigg123, on 10/10/2007, -60/+120cool.... digg is turning into my email spam folder.... send this to 10 people on your contact list, or the boy dies.

    no digg at all.
    • almightyzam, on 10/10/2007, -30/+11You've got no bloody heart at all...
      • DiggsOnlyJew, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

        Welcome to Earth.
      • chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6get off your high horse almightyzam. What are you doing that's going to change anything? you dugg the stroy... well big ***** deal.
      • Ninjao, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1almightyzam you are a f$cken idiot.
      • Mrnut333, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Chris9902, he is injecting his personal insight/thought/experience/existence into a condensed word based structure intending to create a connection with other individual data processing centers (humans) though a low bandwidth and distorted medium (you are not him nor is anyone else [you have your own insight/thought/experience/existence]) in order to facilitate the transfer of a fraction of his data set.
        • zjordan04, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"blah blah blah i'm a bitch"

          Was that the point you were trying to make?
    • Quaterni0n, on 10/10/2007, -26/+6You == *****
    • soulpatch, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17agreed. the all caps plus the fact that it has been on the CCN homepage for approx 5 hours. Bury'd.
      • magicker71, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You are truly an ***** to not give a ***** about something like this. I'm a cynical bastard and this story made me cringe for that poor kid. Grow a heart you Grinch.
    • sevenmania, on 02/02/2008, -0/+0toy-enter.com
  • Philluminati, on 10/10/2007, -14/+25Now we really hate the insurgents. Lets stay out there for another 5 years!

    /sarcasm
    • fugazied, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1This kinda reminds me of the kid who in Iraq who lost both arms and both legs after a US bomb landed on his house. Wait who is the terrorist again?
    • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Yes, because all the bloodshed will stop as soon as the US leaves.

      /sarcasm
  • Piedramente, on 10/10/2007, -16/+10Such a sad story. Just goes to show who we are fighting over there.
    • ELCad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3No it doesn't. They had masks. They could have been Americans.
  • Wargalas, on 10/10/2007, -14/+29Let me ask you something, if we pull our troops out of Iraq, do you think this sort of thing would happen more often before the Iraqi security forces are ready to take over? My gut feeling is that if we pull out too quickly, this will be the tip of the iceberg. Now digg me down and tell me how I'm wrong and that we should just leave these people to their "civil war".
    • dattaway, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16You have to kick the bird out of the nest so it can learn to fly sometime in its lifetime. Are we going to establish permanent military bases in every Muslim country one after another trying to save the world?
      • oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Then I hope you didn't digg this story. Because you'd better digg every ***** one that happens after we leave.
    • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -0/+26"I saw an old episode of "Homicide: Life on the Street" on the Sleuth channel the other night. In it a highly annoying Vince D'Onofrio falls between a subway car and the subway platform and he gets stuck there, with the train basically holding his guts in. The medics come in and they look at him and realize that if they move the train at all, his guts are going to fall out and he's going to die. But if they do nothing, he's going to slowly lose blood pressure and die. Either way, he's going to die. Iraq is Vince D'Onofrio. It doesn't overact as much, but it's just as *****. The bloodbath is coming as soon as we leave, whether that's now or 20 years from now. But I'd be interested to hear your argument explaining how things are going to improve by us staying and spending a billion bucks a day or whatever playing Play Station in air conditioned trailers behind twenty-foot walls while Iraqis have six hours of electricity and pee into buckets and get their throats slit as soon as night falls. You're probably right, a few more years of that, and this Sunni-Shia hatred thing will pass." - http://alternet.org/story/55275/?page=1
      • Wargalas, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4I'm talking more about giving the Iraqi security forces time to stand on their own. Once they are up to snuff, the security is in their hands. If we leave too early, then it's blood on our hands.
        • MacGyver2210, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2And I think swr's point was that they will never be ready enough because they are ***** sand monkeys who can't figure out how not to kill eachother nonstop no matter what people do to or for them. If you train a tiger to jump through a hoop it can still bite your ***** hand off when you piss it off.
          Two words: Parking Lot
        • enki25, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3In the beginning we were told "enough time" was 6 months. Then ever 6 months we were told they needed another 6 months. What makes you think the Iraqi security forces will ever be motivated to do anything but fight for the sect they belong to? Because if that's they're motive, they will never stand on their own to protect the country, and there will always be violence like this.
        • muchachoburacho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We already have plenty of blood on our hands. Both the blood of our soldiers and their people / soldiers. Let's cut our losses and leave now before more of our soldiers get killed. If they want to kill each other, they're gonna do it with or without us.
      • synaesthesia, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well what'd they do in the show?
    • krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3You can stay as long as you want to participate in and elongate the civil war. Good idea?
    • IADTatami, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5You must have missed the part where we forced suspected Iraqi terrorists to rape their own sons. I'd have serious problems accepting help from any nation that did that to me or my relatives and neighbors.

      We can not help Iraq. We have through our own actions made it impossible for us to enjoy the level of support we'd need from the people of Iraq to do anything of the sort, and we dragged the UK, Canada and Australia down to our level of trustworthiness in the process.

      Perhaps a UN force would be more palatable to the Iraqi people, but I doubt it. After all, we used the UN to excuse our invasion of Iraq.
      • IADTatami, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The abuses were widely reported throughout 2004. I will also tell you that Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, who was in charge of the prison at the time of the abuses, has estimated that 90% of the detainees were innocent. If she's correct, then we physically, sexually and emotionally abused 9 innocent Iraqis for every one who was actually a terrorist.
      • nakani, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Ummm.. source?
    • cyclingco, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3don't the democrats understand that pulling out before you're finished doesn't work? every 5th grader in sex ed knows that.

      the difference now is that we hear stories of an individual boy being tortured, instead of hundreds of thousands of kurds being killed by their own government. plus the people who were conducting genocide are