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- rebotfc, on 02/23/2008, -20/+392athiesm isn't a religioin. Just like not playing chess isn't a hobby.
- inactive, on 02/23/2008, -8/+146Many countries around the world support nearly half atheist or agnostic populations. Even Israel has something like a 40% atheist or agnostic population. It hovers around 40%-50% in most European countries as well.
- grungegbunny, on 02/23/2008, -9/+142Meanwhile, the powers that be within the US are plotting the 2nd dark age.
- eOgas, on 02/23/2008, -16/+141***** THE RIAA!
- lickmylovepump, on 02/23/2008, -91/+191religion should not involve itself with politics. this includes christians, muslims and atheists.
- tekano, on 02/23/2008, -29/+126damn right, God (as an ideology) is dead. its 2008 ffs, evolve.
- TheCatsPants, on 02/23/2008, -15/+110"the Supreme Being is a lot smarter than we are."
Smarter than you, yeah. - loudribs, on 02/23/2008, -6/+89I'm so glad that the subject of dis-establishing the CoE is climbing up the agenda again...it's a total nonsense that the state should play any role in endorsing any particular religion, especially when the bulk of the population are openly non-believers. I remember as a kid how pissed off I used to be at having to pray in assembly every week....why the hell should I? I don't believe in God yet by law, I was supposed to participate in weekly act of worship. If you really want to turn someone off a religion, make them practice it....it totally had that effect on me.
Disestablishing the CoE in no way encroaches on the rights of church members. They are still free to practice their religion as they please while non-believers would be able to feel that the state doesn't take one side or another and represents the nation as a whole without a bias towards a particular faith group. Sounds pretty win-win in my opinion. - XNihil0Zer0, on 02/23/2008, -7/+68Lol, I like how you made a nonexistent thing smarter than him.
- Ramble, on 02/23/2008, -4/+65I do agree, but oddly enough it works here in the UK. In America you have lots of fundies, and the state is meant to be totlaly secular. Over here we have a state religion but no-one believes in it.
- TristanTime, on 02/23/2008, -24/+80Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace - 3tcp, on 02/23/2008, -5/+58If God had a presence in Britain they would have seen him on CCTV by now.
- hmcook87, on 02/23/2008, -7/+59the definition of religion has nothing to do with how annoying you find a particular viewpoint. ok, you don't like atheism, thats fine, but it does not make it a religion.
- sk11, on 02/23/2008, -4/+52So why are atheists under-represented in prisons?
- sinkhead, on 02/23/2008, -4/+52In the UK, religion is far less prominent than in the USA. I'm still at school and in my class of 30 there are only 5 religious people (1 Hindu, 1 Christian and 3 Muslims. All seem to claim they are religious because of their parents)
- Chiko, on 02/23/2008, -13/+61Well you could always make a hobby out of debating on how chess is a stupid game.
- sk11, on 02/23/2008, -4/+50I don't think you're in a position to criticise.
- Adamande, on 02/23/2008, -10/+55Grown ups with imaginary friends are scary. I don't want to know whether people believe in the literal existence of Allah, Satan, Gandalf or the tooth-fairy. Faith is individual and should be kept private. Religion is just a means to control large masses of people and force them to conform.
- Harrison88, on 02/23/2008, -11/+46The other half are polish
- ramo13, on 02/23/2008, -3/+37So ? no state should care wether half the population are following arational-polytheism, agnosticism or jedi, that is exactly the point of a state being secular.
- JBmtk, on 02/23/2008, -16/+48I think the world should follow Briton in this one...lets be honest, religion causes more wars and hate than anything else...so why not just give it up? Its only a matter of time till science prevails. Just look at the Egyptians and Greeks
- liah, on 02/23/2008, -11/+42Good for the Brits. I don't think I've met a Brit who was religious yet, though I only lived there for six months. Refreshing. :)
- sk11, on 02/23/2008, -1/+32Britain needs to become a secular nation, we need to give up this farce we call the church of England! I too remember having to go to school in the morning just to worship some ***** religion that I and my parents thought was a load of nonsense, even the teachers looked like they just wanted to go back to sleep. Face it most people would rather lie in or watch tv than worship anything. And why would any god need people to worship them, low self esteem?
- browny1978, on 02/23/2008, -0/+29"We are all athiests, some of us just go one god further"
- EarlOfLade, on 02/23/2008, -2/+31What is hell and where is it and why should I care about your fantasy?
- nooreazy, on 02/23/2008, -2/+30***** YEAH!
- magicaltrevor, on 02/23/2008, -5/+32What about the chess players who are always trying to force everyone to play chess?
- loudribs, on 02/23/2008, -2/+29Oh come on...he sold nothing to anyone while the media jumped on snippets of his speech in order to whip up some hearty 'the muslims are taking over' headlines. There is no danger of 'the Muslims' taking over, but that doesn't sell papers.
- eatasandwich, on 02/23/2008, -4/+30Religion poisons everything. Stop that part and you'll discover than the atheists will shut up too. Being apathetic is not a reason to brag or belittle others for wanting to change the world for the better. In fact, you have just exposed yourself to be guilty of the same thing. You are being just as annoying and not shutting up either.
- Scienceisfun, on 02/23/2008, -3/+29But your logic here doesn't make sense. To paraphrase: "There is no absolute morality, therefore your existence is meaningless." I don't see the connection. If you were the only human alive (which, in principle, is not an impossible scenario), absolute rules like not killing, or not stealing cease to be relevant since there is no one to kill, and no one to steal from. Does your existence cease to be meaningful since your moral code is now meaningless? Does a meaning to existence require a minimum of two people? It doesn't make sense that the meaning of your existence is placed entirely in the hands of people that are not you. That said, I think that a significant portion of life's meaning does come from one's interaction with others, just not exclusively from such interactions.
- dxgg, on 02/23/2008, -7/+33I knew there was another reason why I love the UK.
- EarlOfLade, on 02/23/2008, -3/+28Here is another idiot who have no clue.
I'm an atheist and I disagree with everything except one issue, no gods, with a friend of mine who also happens to be an atheist. Politically we are total opposites.
There are atheists of all political shadows, all types of other forms of philosophies and what not, the ONLY thing atheists agree on, is that there are no gods. - rationalist, on 02/23/2008, -1/+26FatLoser, I note that you cannot seem to restrain yourself from shouting about your own personal beliefs... And, in typical zealous fashion, insisting on imposing them on everyon else.
- sk11, on 02/23/2008, -0/+24Yeah, because it's not like the CoE receives any tax money? It takes over £1000 million a year to run.
- inactive, on 02/23/2008, -7/+31religion should not involve itself in anything that affects mankind
- thomtomw, on 02/23/2008, -1/+25learn what "pagan" means.
- magicaltrevor, on 02/23/2008, -1/+24there's never a 'wrong thread' to diss the RIAA!
- Ramble, on 02/23/2008, -1/+24The Muslims are nowhere near taking over. According to the most recent census there are only 4 times as many Muslims as there are Jedi. It would be clearly rediculous to assume Jedi are taking over as well.
- hc5831, on 02/23/2008, -15/+38Religion is slowly dying out and I'm very happy about it.
- smokeydbear, on 02/23/2008, -11/+33Just imagine all the people living for today.
- carpespasm, on 02/23/2008, -0/+22Yes, but if you're a politician trying to figure out what kind of pandering will score you the most votes, realizing that over half your constituents claim no religion would be a useful thing to take note of.
- richardiscool, on 02/23/2008, -2/+24If God had a presence in America, they would have tapped his phone by now.
- hmcook87, on 02/23/2008, -9/+30only 50%? long way to go...
- Crimsoneer, on 02/23/2008, -4/+25Breaking: Bush declares war on UK!
- gudnbluts, on 02/23/2008, -0/+21Many people put down "Church of England" as their religion on the census, even though they don't believe. I used to. It's because that's how I was brought up, and what I identified myself as. I didn't care enough about religion to change the label I gave myself. The internet has actually changed that, because you get talking to Americans who actually care about religion.
Anybody who's lived in England will tell you that people who actually believe in God are the minority. - geekchic, on 02/23/2008, -0/+21"What business does the UN have producing reports telling us we should disestablish our state religion?"
Why shouldn't anyone commision reports on issues and make recomendations on their findings. Governments have a long track record of ignoring accademic reports anyway.
I find it interesting that as many religious people seem so scared of the fragility of their religion that any questions about it should be censored out of existance. - rationalist, on 02/23/2008, -2/+22@zachwii,
Your entire comment itself is indicative of the weakness and danger of a religious worldview.
1) You start with a dogmatic statement; "everybody has an agenda". You provide no evidence to support it - but, even if we grant your unfounded assumption, and ignore the loose, undefined use of "agenda", the conclusions you draw from this initial assertion are illogical.
2) You make use of careless, uninformed generalizations "atheists have...atheists hate...atheists this...atheists that" A classic indication of close-minded prejudice is a generalized attack on an entire class of people.
Which brings me to
3) the most fundamental and common bit of faulty thinking that stems from a religious worldview is confusing ideas with the people who hold them. You do not distinguish between an argument attacking the premises of religion, and attacks on religious people - just as you cannot seem to conceive of a logical argument against atheism without attacking atheists.
4) You use intellectual phrasing in an attack on intellectualism itself, misapplying the principles of the scientific method even while criticizing those whom you say rely on it too much.
5) You claim to "know just as much about the scientific method as anybody else on here", thus attempting to make an argument from authority at the same time as you make unfounded (an irrelevant) assertions about the qualifications of other.
In fact, your entire comment is nothing but a string of illogical, disconnected attacks on the person - and, you will no doubt interpret this substantive critique of the substance of your argument as if it were a personal attack on your person.
This is, unfortunately, the best evidence a rational thinker could present of the toxicity of a religious upbringing and a worldview informed by authoritarian organized religion and "received wisdom". - TheCatsPants, on 02/23/2008, -2/+22@zachwii
I don't have an agenda, but I do know you have to be a little irrational to believe there is such a creature as a Supreme Being. It's the irrational part of us that wants to believe in God, and an afterlife, and that there is an ultimate morality and purpose. These are all understandable human desires because they are all comforting, and beautiful, ideas. But they are not based in logic. I really hope there is a God etc. I just don't think there is one. All we have is this planet and each other. Irrationality and politics should never mix. - XNihil0Zer0, on 02/23/2008, -7/+26Well, there is no such thing as morality, at least not an absolute one. And since you seem to know the "purpose", do you mind filling the rest of us in?
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