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Olympics: Wall hides entire Beijing neighborhood from World

boston.com — If Oppressing people and building wall's around their Shops and homes to hide them from Tourists and the world was an Olympic event than the Chinese government would surely win a Gold Medal, Some of Beijing's rundown storefronts and neighborhoods are hidden behind newly built walls as China puts on its best face for the games

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  • SeaweedWater, on 08/11/2008, -41/+30Worst Olympics Ever.
    • ganjadude4391, on 08/11/2008, -0/+21instead of spending money to put up a wall... why not spend that money to renovate the storefronts?

      those damn chinese sure do love their walls
      • CryRightardCry, on 08/11/2008, -6/+4Chinese and Republicans.
        Oh wait, they loved them in Germany for a while too.
      • black27696, on 08/11/2008, -9/+2Progressives built the Berlin wall, so lets get that out of the way right now.

        Second of all, why is is that people want Bush to boycott china and demand they free tibet when at the same time democrats were apparently just fine with sadam killing thousands just to test out his weapons. (I'm talking about the biological weapons testing he did years ago, not WMDs)
      • haydesigner, on 08/11/2008, -0/+6@black27696 : "when at the same time democrats were apparently just fine with sadam killing thousands just to test out his weapons."

        I'm sorry... exactly which Democrats were hanging out in Baghdad with Saddam (two Ds, btw...) while he was testing? For that matter, when were any US politicians hanging out in Baghdad? Well, other than Cheney in the 70s.

        You comparison is so fundamentally flawed I want to believe you were trying to make a joke. But we know you weren't... Sad, really.
      • jaythewise, on 08/11/2008, -0/+4Damm Mongolians breakin my ***** wall!
    • ConanMayerFan, on 08/11/2008, -5/+1No, worst olympic is for the US people, where NBC record the game and then play the rerun so they can get ad. sponsor money, which is why i am not a fan for NBC anymore...

      so isn't NBC kind of like the chinese in terms of being selfish?
      • EvilCan, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3What the hell are you talking about? A network showing programming with ads in it to make money? There's nothing new there.
    • cvindustries, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
  • Flushnasty, on 08/11/2008, -23/+6Are you sure it's the 8 foot tall walls fault?
    • nedzeve, on 08/11/2008, -2/+2Oh, come on guys. I thought it was funny, Flush.
  • Shogi, on 08/11/2008, -17/+82People's Republic my ass.
    • salomejones, on 08/11/2008, -4/+12You think that's bad. Guilliani used to round up homeless people here in NYC, arrest them on made-up charges, then have them roughed up in a police van on the drive to new jersey, where they would be dumped out (usually jersey city or hoboken) and threatened with more violence---

      Every time there was a political conference of any kind here at all.

      This is actually very common. Daly does it in Chicago too.
    • perfectsilence, on 08/11/2008, -4/+2if it's hidden, how do people find it?
    • wodedigg, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1
      Every thing will be Past tense
      • michaelb32353, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0Every thing is Future tense however
  • leerayIG88, on 08/11/2008, -20/+8talk about "The Great Wall of Lies"
    :-X
  • lazyguy, on 08/11/2008, -12/+46uhh... other countries have done this too though...
    • amnesiac096, on 08/11/2008, -10/+16elaborate please... my Olympic knowledge is quite low, so I'd like to know the other countries that did this also.

      Also, China's getting this bad publicity due to more than just putting up walls, they're hiding stuff such as child labor and poor living conditions.
      • ZeeZee2k, on 08/11/2008, -5/+8Man, you really know alot about China!
      • jpop, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3I don't know of any putting up walls per se. A lot of bussing people out and repainting, etc. in LA though.
      • mrvociferous, on 08/11/2008, -0/+4Detroit did a version of this for the Super Bowl. They more-or-less covered rundown/abandoned buildings in giant sheets to hide them from the world.
    • namelessNN, on 08/11/2008, -17/+3shh! some people need a purpose.

      hopefully hating china will pull some of this ***** retards away from hating the US.
      • tomarocco, on 08/11/2008, -3/+3Which will leave a higher proportion of intelligent and sesible people hating the U.S.
      • dafragsta, on 08/11/2008, -2/+3They both have their problems. There is plenty of hate to go around. I'm sure you've dispensed some hate.
    • FlimBlimmer, on 08/11/2008, -0/+4So what? Its still despicable.
    • nedzeve, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Oh, that makes it okay?
    • tojojo, on 08/13/2008, -0/+0Like Germany...
  • BOFH2, on 08/11/2008, -5/+66Sao Paulo, Brazil does this and they are not having an olympics.
    • Niubai, on 08/11/2008, -10/+9Funny, could you specifically say me the location of such walls ? Because I live in Sao Paulo and, despite the huge gap between the rich and the poor in this unequal city, I never saw one single wall built by the government to divide the population. If you're talking about the rise of the PRIVATE millionaire condos, with their high walls and enormous PRIVATE security, you're right.
      • Alequisandro, on 08/11/2008, -3/+2Sure, São Paulo dont hide it, show it to the entire world.
      • BOFH2, on 08/11/2008, -1/+4I will see if I have the pictures when I get home. it was villa adronge(spelling way off)
    • sonicomega, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Maybe that's why they AREN'T having an Olympics. China was like, "we'll do the walls afterword...keep the equipment hidden"
  • chrissku, on 08/11/2008, -16/+44If the United States held the Olympics in Los Angeles this year we would probably have the same type of signs covering up Compton.
    • ExRe, on 08/11/2008, -2/+19Either that or bussed the poor people out like they did last time.
    • allengeer, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Doesn't Compton already have a wall around it? (as you can tell I don't frequent the Compton area)
      • kuzotz, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1You're thinking of Oak Cliffs in the Dallas area.
  • rezerox, on 08/11/2008, -20/+3if you rearrange the letters in the word "china" you can spell "oppressive". similarly, you can do that with america, russia, united kingdom, almost every african country... auctually you can do it with almost any country minus a couple. what are the odds?
    • shutaro, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3Actually, if you rearrange the letters in "China" you get "Can Hi".
    • nedzeve, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2You know, I heard somewhere that the Chinese have 70 words for "rice", and no word for "friend".
  • sdfguy, on 08/11/2008, -19/+9who cares, it's ***** china's *****. let them do it.
    • mjbyrne, on 08/11/2008, -1/+3its ***** the people that live there, so they shouldnt be doing it. thats the point
  • DeFex, on 08/11/2008, -17/+3Just like the ones in Sidney and Athens. and will be in London as well.

    um wtf is it "Sydney or Sidney" i see both.
  • Harbinger1080, on 08/11/2008, -7/+34It's a pretty crappy thing that's happening there. Of course, it's not the first time a city has decided to "clean up" their image for the Olympics:
    Atlanta:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990 ...
    • nedzeve, on 08/11/2008, -4/+1The difference is that in America, most the so-called "homeless" choose to live outside. The rest are mentally ill and should probably be hospitalized.
      • Harbinger1080, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2I'm not going to digg you either way just yet... That's not something I've ever heard before. Could you cite a source for that statement? I find it hard to believe that most "so-called 'homeless'" are such because they choose to live outside...

        I know many homeless are schizophrenic, or suffer from such other mental illness... but I have NEVER heard that people are homeless because they want to be.
  • weister42, on 08/11/2008, -28/+34Blah blah blah more China bashing, how about some tech news Digg?
  • dystra, on 08/11/2008, -16/+8Chana, building walls since the Ming dynasty
    • mrzack, on 08/11/2008, -3/+4Qin Dynasty *****. get it right.
      • dystra, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/h ...

        "The Ming Dynasty is the peak of wall building in Chinese history. The Ming suffered a lot by disturbances from minority tribes such as the Dadan, Tufan and Nuzhen. The Ming court from its first emperor to the last ceaselessly built walls in the north. The main line started from Jiuliancheng near the Yalu River in the east to the Jiayuguan Pass in the west and measured over 4,600 miles. Besides adding many more miles of its own, the Ming emperors ordered enlargement of the walls of previous dynasties into double-line or multi-line walls..."

        so technically we're both right...ass

      • mrzack, on 08/11/2008, -2/+2You said "SINCE". I'm right, you're wrong. ASS.
    • jedileong, on 08/13/2008, -0/+0is there any problem with building walls?
  • allengeer, on 08/11/2008, -10/+35It's a wall. If its "hiding" something, why can you go look at and film it. I mean come on people, they put a wall there to develop the look and feel of the road. I'm not sure they are hiding so much as they are developing a coherent artistic theme in the area. They do that in the united states. They do it everywhere. Its not a profound issue. Its not some sort of sign of a big oppressive Chinese government. Now granted, her business is kind of ***** and there should be some sort of reciprocity by the entity that erected the wall and the businesses affected, but other than that I see no difference between the Chinese government putting up a wall to make their road look pretty, and the US government tearing down a neighborhood of houses to make way for a new WalMart super center or a highway. It's all part of the well argued concept of Eminent Domain.
    • Paulish, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Eminent Domain is *****. It is when the government bullies private citizens out of their property for some "public good", which basically means they have more people and guns than you and there is nothing you can do but cooperate. It is wrong when USA does it and it is wrong when China does it.
      • Dipster, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3China doesn't really have "private property" in the same way you think of. As a communist nation, all the land belongs to the state, and people only lease it from the government.
      • thelif, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Yeah it isn't their property.
      • lovehandles74, on 08/11/2008, -1/+1In communist China, government owns you!
      • soccerbud, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1actually China recently passed a series of laws that protects private property from shady government officials and developers

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
  • BigLou, on 08/11/2008, -3/+24This is the start of Basic Human Rights in China. These walls are obviously in place to help protect the less fortunate Chinese workers who cannot afford decent UV protection from harmful solar rays!
    • drewniverse, on 08/11/2008, -0/+11You could be the new voice for Chinese-American relations!
      :D
    • sc0rpi0n, on 08/11/2008, -1/+6Talk about a new way to write sarcastic remarks.
  • DiggzDE, on 08/11/2008, -8/+6Can't stop progression. Even if people don't want it, in a modern, fast-paced world such as ours, preventing change is almost impossible. Sad, but true.
    • powatom, on 08/11/2008, -3/+7In China - progress means demolishing the homes of rural families to sell the land to multi-national corporations. Rundown areas will be demolished and the people evicted through force if necessary.

      No compensation, no rights, you are just removed. China is the master of 'out of sight, out of mind'.
    • Hello1024, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2yes, true, but I wouldn't say it's bad. Progression is more important than nearly everything else.
  • pwnerofnoobs, on 08/11/2008, -11/+3Someone of you act like getting rid of slums, drug dealers, and prostitutes is a bad thing.
  • soloman747, on 08/11/2008, -12/+1Get off China's nuts.
  • Mr.Gone, on 08/11/2008, -6/+6But look at all the majesty!
  • voteforblank, on 08/11/2008, -11/+4Welcome the the New World Order.
  • iDoraemon, on 08/11/2008, -5/+35I'm no fan of the Olympics being held in China, and I'm especially no fan of the Chinese government. But this seems like another Sinophobic article.

    This is no worse than our government busing out the homeless during the Atlanta Olympics.
    • phibit, on 08/11/2008, -2/+3Well, in all fairness, nobody really likes homeless people.
    • Paulish, on 08/11/2008, -2/+6But the homeless didn't own the property they were on. There is nothing wrong with asking someone to move off property that does not belong to them.
      • thelif, on 08/11/2008, -1/+1The Chinese government owns all land. So...
        "There is nothing wrong with asking someone to move off property that does not belong to them."
  • ilistenisee, on 08/11/2008, -7/+1the whole wall shown was about 30m long...and I dnt think this is common. i really dnt see anything bad about this...if the residents didnt really care...then i think it's fine. Plus, you can easily go around it...to check out the scenery. Some plp are used to playing cards, relaxing right out the shops half naked...it's likely to be for the convince of the plp walking by and plp living there.
    • theDrizzle, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1if you read the article, I believe they said the wall stretches about half a mile...

      "But some residents, walking along Luomashi Boulevard, saw only one possible motivation for the wall - preparations for the Olympics. They noted that the wall stretches almost the entire half-mile length of the south side of Luomashi Boulevard, an area where many people have refused to leave."

      please read the article before you comment.
  • Antz0rz, on 08/11/2008, -8/+3Silly china and their great walls of concealment.
  • pjones, on 08/11/2008, -8/+1reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0C79zd7_0
  • DeathToAmerica, on 08/11/2008, -6/+6More like hides entire China from what their governmnet is doing to them. Bravo on the light show of the olympics, that doesn't make you any less slaves of the U.S. keep buying our bad debt and keep polluting your own country. Remember the number one rule of free market capitalism. Greed is Good.
  • bigstinky, on 08/11/2008, -4/+3They did this in Detroit for the Super Bowl. They put up gigantic posters of happiness to cover the blight. I was hoping they'd have kept the gangsta look. I kinda like my tough guy appeal.
  • yikiad, on 08/11/2008, -7/+4if you can't beat em', suppress and hide em'
  • thegrantman, on 08/11/2008, -9/+17Damn Mongowians break ma sheety wall.
    • BossKey, on 08/11/2008, -1/+5You Westunners! Arrways trying to bwake my city Orrympics!
  • Totz83, on 08/11/2008, -5/+7They're slums, I guess not other country has them..? *****, stop nitpicking about trivial matters. Of course the less affluent areas are been hidden. Any other event, in any other country would do the same thing to promote itself, they're not trying to pull the woll over anyones eyes, images and info about poverty in China are easily found. This is the Olympics, they need to make it look decent to a global audience
  • scy1192, on 08/11/2008, -6/+2e-recting a... wall
    /tf2
  • kevind810, on 08/11/2008, -4/+6Not news. Super bowl host cities have been doing this for years.
    • PhilLesh69, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Yeah, the real news is the 1.5 million chinese who were forcibly relocated to make room for the sporting venues and all the other olympics related construction.
  • dstz, on 08/11/2008, -4/+27Building a wall to strangle the Palestinian people, or to repel Mexicans is ok. But don't anyone dare building a wall for aesthetic purposes. Walls are serious business.
  • bigcynic, on 08/11/2008, -4/+3Greedy developers in America have something much more efficient than wall-building: eminent domain.
  • yellowsnowcone, on 08/11/2008, -5/+7China is still a third world country and many parts of China (even in Beijing) don't look "modern."

    China put up these walls not because it wants to hide the fact that it is third-world, but because it doesn't want to be embarassed that it doesn't look modern. They are afraid of what Western visitors might say. China very badly wants to impress the world ... to say to the world that it is a modern country. And so it feels as though it has to cover up its blemishes.

    Bottom line, they just really want you to be impressed. They don't want you to visitors to go back home and say that China is a run down backward country.
    • muterus, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0I agree with what you've said, but there's a better way to impress visitor (e.g. actually improve and preserve old neighborhood. Build a new, modern, and ugly neighborhood somewhere else! See Paris for example.
      • yellowsnowcone, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2I am just trying to explain the mindset.

        Whereas you might react one way when embarassed, the Chinese would react a different way to a "loss of face."
  • c010rb1indusa, on 08/11/2008, -1/+11This is called industrialization. You can say all you want about China but the same thing was done to American cities 100 years ago. All the slums and tenants where rebuilt with modern apartments. What your seeing in China isn't strictly oppression, it's the natural cycle for any developing country such as China.
    • WiredLain, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1So the Chinese government can't study US history on what not to do when changing to an industrialized economy???
  • Niz1, on 08/11/2008, -6/+3What's this China is hiding something from us? unbelievable!
  • mrzack, on 08/11/2008, -10/+5England and America are the worst human rights abusers. They rape and pillage poor third world countries with the help of IMF, World Bank, government assassinations, and financial instruments to take advantage of slave labor.
  • digjam, on 08/11/2008, -3/+5pics or it dint happen......oh wait its china!
  • WhoDoneIt, on 08/11/2008, -5/+7Fact. Chinese love martial arts.
    Fact. Martial artists break bricks with hands.

    I think the answer to the problem lies within.
    • shutaro, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Why bother to break the bricks by hand when they can just run up and over the wall?
  • davidkeithjones, on 08/11/2008, -3/+5While the Chinese government has little love for its people I think there is more to the story. Can't hate China by default.
  • mattjlew, on 08/11/2008, -3/+3China is still a developing country and it is not like the United States. When Beijing was first told they were going to hold the Olympics, China started planning a lot so they can impress the world. China is becoming a superpower. The US dollar is going down. China has changed for the better to standardize everything, including the toilets so you don't have to squat. They spent a whole lot of money on the new subway lines, and one just for the Olympics. To modernize it and show the world that they can hold a successful Olympic Game, they can become more of a 1st world country. To hide is just a gesture for the people of China that it will become a powerful country. Even that wall looks pretty. Besides, I'm in Beijing right now, and you can see the streets that are trash-free. The wall gives the houses a more private life, than being exposed to the traffic there (which is insane).
  • danuvian, on 08/11/2008, -1/+6If you were going to invite guests/friends/important people to your home, wouldn't you be vacuuming, tidying up, and cleaning the house before they got there?
    • PhilLesh69, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2Yep. I'd also be rounding up my more undesirable neighbors and shipping them off to other provinces, and when I run out of time, I'll just wall off the remaining undesirables so my guests can't see them.
  • RomeyRome, on 08/11/2008, -1/+6I'd hide the ghetto too.
  • evaburrito, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2that's kind of depressing if you used to have a window office.
  • minoss, on 08/11/2008, -2/+4The Olympics have done a great job of reversing much of the advancement China has been making unfortunately.
    • PhilLesh69, on 08/12/2008, -0/+2It is still a communist country. Isn't that what they do?
  • matude, on 08/11/2008, -2/+2Whoa pretty low quality work on the wall. Look at the red bricks from behind. :/
    Well I know it's China but... but the Gods of Laying Bricks will be mad I say!

    Aahm whatever : )
    • willi, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2the wall is only temporary, that's why it's a rush job.
    • Elliuotatar, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3Well I say it's a great wall!
  • sayssimon, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2i do feel bad for the bike shop owner but the wall seems to have a legit use. i'm conflicted
    • PhilLesh69, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1It worked even better in Berlin, but then again those communist totalitarians were bolder, and they put armed guards on their wall.
  • use2bacanadian, on 08/11/2008, -3/+8Wait till you see the Canadian Winter Olympics in 2010 - if they ever get the highway open to the site that just collapsed. There is a whole section of the city filled with druggies, prostitutes, homeless, and other scum that have been removed form downtown. Walk too far past Gas Town in Vancouver and you are in the middle of thousands of homeless heroin addicts smoking pot in public and shooting up on the sidewalk.
    • shutaro, on 08/11/2008, -3/+2Why do you hate Canada?
    • jpop, on 08/11/2008, -3/+2If the Olympics were hosted in Vancouver, I imagine they'd be doing what other cities in the same situation have done throughout history. They round them up and bus/ship them off to some other city with one way tickets...
      • willi, on 08/11/2008, -0/+5what do you mean if? The Winter Olympics is going to be hosted in Vancouver.
      • use2bacanadian, on 08/11/2008, -2/+1Yes - its a small city on the west coat of Canada - ever heard of it? haha. Don't feel bad - neither have most people in the world. The Olympics will actually be in Whistler - a sort of Aspen wannabe only much smaller and less altitude.
    • hakluytbean, on 08/11/2008, -1/+5Bah! You... you...self-hating Canadian!
    • wsuvtx, on 08/11/2008, -0/+6That just adds a little culture. The walk between Gas Town and BC Place at night can be an adventure.
    • Gooserbaijan, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0The US winter Olympics were held in 1980 in Lake Placid, New York. It's a nice place to visit, but is very small. It does not compare to Whistler. So use2bacanadian it is extremely hard to hold winter Olympics in a city such as downtown New York or Vancouver. You gotta go go where the big mountains are. Actually, nearly all winter Olympics are held in small towns.... Nagano(Japan), Calgary, Norway, Albertville(France).... etc.

      And just a side note to my good buddy use2bacanadian: I believe Vancouver has been voted in the top 10 best places to live in, in the world! That means that their crime rate and drug problems aren't any worst than any of your favorite American cities. By the way, what is your favorite city?
      • use2bacanadian, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Voted by who? A bunch of untraveled CANADIANS???? Wrong again Goosebrain - Vancouver has the HIGHEST property crime rate of any city on the North American Continent!!

        The patterns for violent crime rates are much weaker but persist across more than 40 years of data accumulated by Interpol. Rates of violent crime are inversely related to a nation's level of economic development: the lower a nation's per-capita GDP, the weaker a nation's economy, the poorer a nation's citizens, the higher its violent crime rate. Similarly, the less urbanized a nation, the higher its rate of violent crime.5

        The pattern of crime in Canada is consistent with these generalizations. Compared to many other countries, Canada has lower rates of violent crime and higher rates of property crime. These patterns are illustrated in table 1, which shows national rankings for murder (a violent crime) and for theft (a property crime) in 50 selected countries in 2007. Crime rates are standardized as crimes known to the police in a particular country, and are expressed per 100,000 population in that country. It is also worth tracking the relative positions of China, Egypt, England, India, Japan, Russia, Sweden, Uganda, and Venezuela.


        Figure 1: Percent of population victimized in 11 selected nations, 2007

        Northern Ireland: 16%
        Finland :18%
        Austria: 18%
        Sweden: 24%
        United States: 24%
        Canada: 26%
        France: 26%
        Scotland:27%
        Switzerland: 27%
        England & Wales: 31%
        Netherlands: 32%
      • Gooserbaijan, on 08/12/2008, -1/+0While i agree with you that Vancouver does have a problem with drugs (especially heroin i believe) which inevitably leads to more violence against innocent people, Montreal, Toronto and Winnipeg have their fare share of problems related to hard drugs and violence. Same is true for many big American cities.

        But the fact that Vancouver has made the top 10 in best cities to live in in the world says a lot. The voting is based on low crime, little threat from terrorism, highly developed infrastructure and quality of life overall.

        Here is a quote from one 2008 study:
        'Consultants rated each city on a variety of factors including the level of traffic congestion, air quality, and personal safety reported by expatriates living in more than 600 cities worldwide. In the top 25, U.S. cities such as San Francisco, Boston, and Chicago were all edged out by Geneva, Switzerland, Vancouver, B.C., and Auckland, New Zealand. The highest-scoring U.S. city is Honolulu, which came in at No. 28.'

        Here is another example from a story on CNN(2005):

        Vancouver is the world's most desirable place to live, according to a new survey.

        The Canadian city, nestled on the Pacific coast, was one of four locations in that country to rank at the top of the Economist Intelligence Unit's livability survey, which looked at conditions in 127 cities.

        The other top-ranking Canadian cities were Toronto, Calgary and Montreal.

        Australia also fared well in the survey by the London-based group, with Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide and Sydney scoring high marks along with Vienna, Austria, and Geneva and Zurich in Switzerland.

        The EIU study assessed nearly 40 indicators in five broad categories -- stability, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.
      • use2bacanadian, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1Have you actually ever been to Vancouver?? Why would ANYONE live there. These surveys are a sham that of course are sucked up by gullible Canadians who are searching desperately for something to be proud of. It Rains 90% of the year in Vancouver, all of the downtown real estate, which makes up the beauty of the city, is owned by Americans and Europeans. Canadians live on the West (poor) side, or in the suburbs like Surrey - where all of the violent crime exists. You can take statistics and skew them anyway you like. For example, just take the downtown shopping area and the city proper of Vancouver were the wealthy Americans and Europeans live, and ignore the GREATER Vancouver area and its attached suburbs where all of the crime exists and the Canadians actually live. Canadians will believe anything. I LIVED in Vancouver for 6 years and an it sucks - except about 6 weeks in the summer. All of the jobs that Canadians do are low level service jobs at restaurants, bars, marinas and art shops.
      • travis1982, on 08/12/2008, -1/+1*****...you still live in Vancouver you liar..you need your daily fix of heroin.
  • momonami, on 08/11/2008, -2/+2who cares what china doing man you guys complain about iraq but now you want america to go save china stfu.
    • wsuvtx, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2I think that is the point. With little Iraq we go invade to save the people from the evil dictator. But with Big Bad China we don't.
      • PhilLesh69, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Iraq doesn't own 40% of our debt.
  • bkolbusz, on 08/11/2008, -2/+7Well there goes Detroit's hopes of hosting an Olympics.
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