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Ohio Man Charged with 29,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder

msnbc.msn.com — German prosecutors said Wednesday they have charged retired Ohio auto worker John Demjanjuk with more than 29,000 counts of accessory to murder for his time as a guard at the Nazis' Sobibor death camp, and will seek his extradition from the U.S. Demjanjuk was a guard at the Nazi camp in occupied Poland between March and September 1943.

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  • inactive, on 03/11/2009, -13/+83I know a "Texan" who is guilty of about 229,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder
  • Wolf73b, on 03/11/2009, -2/+48I don't understand. He was thought to be this "Ivan the Terrible." So, he was deported. Then, he was found not to be Ivan, and his citizenship was restored. After that, the DOJ decided that he was another Nazi, and deported him, anyway.

    So, isn't he entitled to due process? Isn't he entitled to protection against double jeopardy? Or, do we just keep trying this guy, until we convict him of being "somebody?"

    Don't take this wrong. I hate the Nazis (be they modern, or 1940's-era), and I'm a supporter of Israel. However, this could be you or I the next time. We have to keep to the Constitution!
  • MediaCrisis, on 03/11/2009, -3/+49Isn't being an Ohio auto worker punishment enough?

    (thats really not funny. the Holocaust is nothing to joke about :( )
  • LordBalderdash, on 03/12/2009, -1/+29i don't know whether the guy was a nazi or not, but:

    it took 4 years to revoke his citizenship, then 5 years before he was actually extradited to israel, another two years before he was sentenced (to death), another 5 years before that sentence was overturned in the u.s. (so, basically he spent 7 years in prison in israel only to have israel decide he's 'not that guy') forcing israel to be deport him back to the u.s.- and then another 5 years before the revocation of his citizenship was overturned. and now they want to charge him again because they think he's someone else entirely.

    justice isn't blind, it's ***** retarded.

  • inactive, on 04/03/2009, -2/+27Right. Because the older someone is, the less guilty he is.
  • spongya77, on 03/12/2009, -4/+23Dunno. As much as I think that individual people from Germany and their allies (and I came from such a country) weren't punished for their role in genocide enough (most of them went on with their lives afterwards), I find this hypocrisy distasteful.
    Somehow "our guys" are never standing trials for similar, albeit not as grand mass-murders as the Nazis or Japanese. 3-4 million people in Vietnam, Laos, the bloodshed by the Sah in Iran, the whole dirty South America policy, now Iraq (even those marines who went on a killing spree got away), the whole ***** OT in Palestine... the list is long.
    Why aren't those people tried? Why is it always the Serbs and little African dictators?
    Oh. If the guy's guilty, let him rot in prison.
  • inactive, on 04/03/2009, -4/+23"'In this capacity, he participated in the accessory to murder of at least 29,000 people of the Jewish faith,' Munich prosecutors said in a statement."

    More info on Sobibor Death Camp, for those interested in its history: http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa ...
  • acmaurer, on 03/11/2009, -2/+19Exactly. He should be held accountable no matter when the judgment comes.
  • DontLIE2Me, on 03/12/2009, -1/+16I think they should have written alleged since he was cleared by one court due to mistaken identity.
  • mogebier, on 03/12/2009, -1/+15Do they have proof of him stuffing the Jews into the furnaces?
    He might have been just a guard, a guy in the Army. Not all the Germans in the military were Nazi's. A lot of them were forced into the military, and when you are a low rank you go where you are told or are shot.
    I mean, if they have evidence he did anything other than being at the camp, then stuff the guy into an oven. But otherwise you can't prosecute the guy for just being in a place.

  • oricle001, on 03/12/2009, -4/+17Is everyone in this world ***** retarded? Does no one have common sense anymore? This is guy is 88 years old and people want to extradite him to Germany and make him go through a long, tedious trial?!

    If you don't see how ridiculous this is, you're dumb.
  • samespbn, on 03/12/2009, -4/+17I am Jewish and have relatives who were killed in the Holocaust but I still find this to be a bit ridiculous.
  • stagnate, on 03/12/2009, -1/+14Imagine living with this your entire life
  • Zarokima, on 03/12/2009, -3/+15It looks like you're about to stuff a whole burger in your mouth.

    http://xkcd.com/541/
  • DontLIE2Me, on 03/12/2009, -2/+12I will just keep my guess to myself.
  • Absyrd2, on 03/12/2009, -0/+10imagine being killed off like a dog in one of those camps.
  • ironmodulus, on 03/12/2009, -3/+12"We're on our way to a victory for justice today."

    I don't know about you, but I think this 88 year old man doesn't need to be convicted of anything to receive punishment. Doing it now seems pointless. If they were to bring him to justice, they should have done it a long time ago. This guy probably doesn't feel he got away with anything.
  • lilhelper, on 03/12/2009, -2/+11wtf?
    He was a guard.
    He didn't actually murder them.
    Plus, this was WAR, war is ugly.

    Must he really be charged with 29,000 counts of accessory to murder?
  • nerd05, on 03/12/2009, -0/+9Actually, it takes just your average everyday guy. These Germans were all very ordinary people, nothing really malicious about them. Yet they were convinced to kill millions of innocent people. Stanley Milgram's experiment demonstrates that people will do terrible things if a figure of authority tells them to. I'm willing to bet that odds are, you would do it too.
  • harvinator24, on 03/12/2009, -2/+11Plus another million right?

    If so i think i know who you are talking about.
  • Wolf73b, on 03/12/2009, -2/+11"He spent seven years in custody before the Israeli high court freed him after receiving evidence that another Ukrainian was that Nazi guard."

    I don''t know why, but that sounds like he was found innocent. Weird, eh?
  • jerrycan, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8no. varies by country.
  • Lavarock, on 03/12/2009, -2/+10What? The current pope was drafted as a child into the Hitler Youth, and found it so morally repulsive that he defected at risk to his own life. Then he saved a couple of jews. So ***** OFF.
  • Zarokima, on 03/12/2009, -1/+9What's a "Neatherthol"?
  • AlextheK, on 03/11/2009, -2/+10I've been seeing that absurd justification to let this slob off the hook for DECADES now. He's a murderer and deserves no place in the United States, which he entered illegally. Get rid of him and let Germany deal with it.
  • inactive, on 03/12/2009, -0/+7And Japan would extradite Americans for offences committed against other Americans on American soil because?
  • WordsnCollision, on 03/11/2009, -1/+8He should've used the "I was only following orders" excuse, seems to have worked for the hundreds of other death camp guards. Seriously, the Nazis were excellent record keepers ("your papers, please"), why is it so hard to build a case against these guys?
  • salleegal, on 03/11/2009, -13/+19After he is judged guilty....someone please send this to THE POPE!!! DAMINIT!!!!!
  • SpeedSteamBoat, on 03/12/2009, -1/+7Yes, because Iraqi civilians are "terrorists."

    Believe more propaganda.
  • ShnowDoggie, on 03/12/2009, -1/+7Imagine being innocent and then going through this. ('Course he may actually be guilty for all I know)
  • inactive, on 03/12/2009, -2/+8The other choice was being killed by your superiors for disobeying order.
  • blackfox026, on 03/12/2009, -0/+6A "Neatherthol" is someone who's brain isn't developed to the capacity at which one can spell "neanderthal" correctly.
  • jumbalia, on 03/12/2009, -0/+6Or that knowledge that refusal would most likely result in you being on the other side of the prison fence. You can say all you want that you would never do a thing like that, but you never know until you're in that situation. Survival is the strongest and most basic instinct of all living creatures.
  • kaosethema, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5i don't understand how israel can hunt down old men for unthinkable crimes...

    and then turn around and commit similar crimes against palestinians.
  • radda, on 03/12/2009, -1/+6"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

    Nuremberg Principle IV. Look it up.
  • grimw, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5What would a statue of limitations look like, I wonder? I think it could be anything like a body without arms, legs, and head, or something like arms, legs, and head with no body. I think the possibilities are endless, which is quite ironic for a statue of limitations!
  • Lavarock, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5Yeah and when he was 20 years old if he refused to stand guard around the barracks he'd find himself in the gas chamber pretty damn quick.
  • mac888, on 03/11/2009, -0/+5due process for all.
  • forevernomad, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5But would they then be able to charge you with a lesser crime against Bobby Jimbo?
  • farmerbb, on 03/12/2009, -2/+7IT'S OVER 29,000!!!!!!!!
  • EWChomp, on 03/12/2009, -3/+8CHRIST, when is enough, enough?
  • SpeedSteamBoat, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5Wrong. In the United States you cannot be tried for the same crime twice.

    If you are tried for first degree murder of Bobby Jimbo and found innocent you can NEVER be retried for first degree murder of Bobby Jimbo again even if they find his bones with your credit card on it and your name and address carved in his chest next to the name of the first girl you ever kissed.

    That's why police don't charge someone until they have an absolutely solid case built against them (well, good detectives don't do that anyway). They only get one shot to get it right.
  • TheBigBad, on 03/12/2009, -1/+5The Neatherthols were a shady lot and quite frankly needed to be wiped out.
  • ptsuk, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3***** geico!
  • Craig304958, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3Someone send it to Hannity then.
  • ithejosh, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3i dont get it
  • hmmmdonut, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3We won.
  • walkable, on 03/12/2009, -1/+4Why? You get paid by the government to produce a product no one wants. Doesn't sound that bad to me.
  • ithejosh, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3Finally, someone mentions this, exactly what I thought. He's old, probably has old timers (alcheimerz?), and its been 60 years since that ***** happened. Just let him die naturally.
  • Nauree, on 03/12/2009, -1/+4WHAT 29000?
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