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- sinurgy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+111So do I have the right to decide I don't want to pay for anything? Digg me down but seriously, if it's solely her decision shouldn't it solely be her responsibility?
- wiggles, on 10/10/2007, -103/+187It's about time someone realized that a child isn't just the property of a woman.
- ravage86, on 10/10/2007, -23/+106I like the idea of men having a little more choice. It can be heartbreaking to have your child destroyed because of a feud with your wife. However, I believe this should be limited to marriages. The husband gets input, not some drunken idiot.
- SolsPolaris, on 10/10/2007, -6/+74Good. Then, if SHE Decides to keep the baby, and he doesn't want it, then SHE should have to support it, right?
Or, in the case the HE wants the baby and SHE doesn't, then HE should have to pay for it if this law is passed. - The_Wallbanger, on 10/10/2007, -55/+119The word "child" is inaccurate. It's a fetus. And a woman's uterus IS her own property.
- RJBEG, on 10/10/2007, -41/+91Absurd. I don't like abortions, but considering giving birth is life risking endeavour, it's up to women to decide whether or not they want to carry something to term.
- Greganda, on 10/10/2007, -24/+69I don't like abortions either, but until the man has equal responsibility in carrying and birthing the child, I don't feel like he should have the power to force a woman to carry a pregnancy.
- Vicissidude, on 10/10/2007, -3/+47I'm all for men's rights, but this law is going about it ass-backwards. Men looking for rights don't care if women have abortions. What men's rights groups are looking for is a man's right to give up parental responsibility before the birth of a child, just like women do when they an abortion. Or, they're looking for equitable divorce so men have real visitation rights for their children, just like women have. Men's rights groups want equal rights with women, not to take rights away from women. This is going about men's rights in such a backward way as to piss everyone off and give men's rights a bad name.
- blaze4metal, on 10/10/2007, -3/+47So the guy can say "I don't want this child" and the woman says "tough *****". Now he has to pay child support on a child he didn't want? How is that fair? You can keep the abortion rights, but if a man states that he doesn't want this child, then he should be free of all child support.
- SolsPolaris, on 10/10/2007, -6/+47What would you call the law now? Female-Centric? After all, the man has no say in abortion or not. The man has no say in child support / alimony or not. Seems pretty damn one sided to me.
BTW, I was a single DAD who never got a penny of child support from my ex. - Zeonix, on 10/10/2007, -3/+36I think it should be entirely up to the woman to decide whether or not she keeps the baby. I also think if a man wants the abortion to happen and the woman says no and goes through with the pregnancy anyway, he shouldn't be forced to pay child support.
- joshmaddox, on 10/10/2007, -19/+50ok so this one really relates to me... I recently broke things off with my X... We were not married just dating, but about 3 weeks after our break up i get the news that i'm going to be a dad from her. I was ecstatic to say the least.. I've wanted to be a father for so long and I got my hopes up to early. She at first wanted to have the baby, but when she found out i would not sign over all custody to her, she informed me that either I sign saying she is the sole parent and i have no rights to see my child, or she will get an abortion. I refused to sign the papers and within a week she had gotten and abortion.
Now how could anyone tell me I do not have just as much right to deciding if this child lives or dies. I dont care that the woman has to carry the baby for 9 months. She made the same mistake that I made and for a woman there is a way out of it. If the situation was reversed and she decided she wanted to have the baby, it would be a cold day in hell before any judge would allow no child support to be paid by the father.
So my question is simply why is it solely the decision of the woman in this situation.. My baby was murdered and there was and is nothing I can do about it... - joshmaddox, on 10/10/2007, -16/+46Wiggles I agree with you completely on this... everyone always is saying the man was man enough to stick it in but isnt man enough to stick around.... well the rule should apply to both sides of the table here... if a woman is dumb enough to have unprotected sex... then both the man and the woman should be responsible not just the woman and not just the man....
- blaze4metal, on 10/10/2007, -9/+38Women? Responsibility? Ha!
- DiggsOnlyJew, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29If women can abort freely, men should never have to pay child support. A baby shouldn't be entering a world if either parent doesn't want it. Abortion shouldn't be birth control, but it's better than making 3 lives miserable, a struggling single mother, a disgruntled father paying child support and a child raised in a broken family. There's never a legitimate reason to have a baby when one of the two parents doesn't want it.
- cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+26Nuclear Launch Detected.
- jbink303, on 10/10/2007, -5/+30I'm sorry for your loss.
- bupublue, on 10/10/2007, -11/+36The "reasonable cause" thing for rape or incest is *****. A lot of women DON'T report that because they're too scared, especially if it's a family member; now they want them to prove it before they can abort some monster's spawn? ***** them.
- DiggsOnlyJew, on 10/10/2007, -3/+259 months (really only 5-6) of being pregnant and a few hours of pain vs. 18 years of alimony/child support?
I don't really think you can say one sacrifices more than another, if the laws were changed, I might be in your favor. - simplynix, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24You endorse forced paternity testing? This thing has so many flaws, and is really just an attempt to greatly reduce the number of abortions. I can also see this being used by men to blackmail women who want an abortion.
- grooviekenn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22Digg you down?!?! I think every man should digg you up!
- OneHine, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Oh please. If the proposed law was "a woman MUST get an abortion if the man wants her to have one", you'd be singing a different tune.
- AuroraAlpha, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22But he should be able to. Men are forced to pay support for 18 years whether or not he wants the child.
Either the man should be responsible for nothing, no support required, no input needed for an abortion, or the man should be responsible for support and also be given the right to force the mother to birth the child. Currently laws support only the mothers side based on old stereotypes. If men and woman are really equal then they should be treated equally and thus have equal custody, support requirements, and chose if the baby is birthed. In the real world however woman are often given more or full custody regardless of their parenting abilities, they are often given support whether or not they need it, and they get full choice of the baby’s birth. - Conwaysb0718, on 10/10/2007, -7/+25With or without pants?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+27Joshnmaddox- Do you use antibacterial soap? Killing plenty of life there and it is about as aware as a fetus.
- aflaks, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21"Ohio has spawned the most astronauts than any other state. There is just something about that place that makes people want to FLEE THE EARTH"
- jessdub99, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Guys always get lowballed when it comes to children. It is what it is.
- zorroplata, on 10/10/2007, -9/+27OK. Let's put the picture in perspective. It takes the man and the woman to produce the baby. The woman can kill the baby at any time, but if the guy does it is murder and he goes to prison for life. If the woman decides to keep the baby, the guy is required by law to support it -- even if she leaves him and goes with another man. Yes, I can see how this is perfectly fair. Right?
- The_Wallbanger, on 10/10/2007, -11/+28This is not likely to pass. The woman should not have the burden of proving who the father is. My wife is currently 5 months pregnant, I could not imagine the government forcing her to go through those bodily changes against her own consent.
- Dakart, on 10/10/2007, -5/+22Half the chromosomes in that "fetus" are his, though...
- sbader, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18She wanted a baby but not badly enough to share it.. sorry but it doesn't sound like she would have been a good mother anyway.
- tonaros, on 11/14/2007, -17/+34I think you misunderstand the main problem with this law: It means the woman cannot make this decision herself, and if the man says she has to have their baby, she must. This law is not the way to handle this kind of situation, and it is designed to be male-centric.
- Vicissidude, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Men still want the option to accept the future baby or not, just like women have that option with abortion. And no, that doesn't mean forcing women to get abortions, which would be abhorrent. That could mean merely signing away your legal rights and responsibilities before the child is born. Men could walk away from a pregnancy just as easily as a woman.
- grooviekenn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17true... but if she had the kid... and never let him know... 100% of HIS $$$ should be HIS
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -14/+29You know, if guys could get pregnant, abortion would be a god-given right. Hell, there would probably be combination sports bar/abortion clinics
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15I already look like that. It aint so bad.
- evilbob333, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15I've always liked the "If the man give the woman a payment to cover the cost of the abortion, he is no longer liable for any child support costs." approach.
- sicc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17That makes WAY too much sense, it would never pass.
- Vicissidude, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Well, then the woman guaranteed her responsibility when she made the choice to forgo protection. That logic works both ways. No abortion for you!
- JigoroKano, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15I'll agree that there is a double standard and that a man should be able to give up his rights and responsibilities before birth. But this law is reprehensible or unworkable. If the standard is lax then any woman could claim rape and get an abortion. If the standard is hard, then a man could rape a woman, lie and say it was consensual, and then force her to carry his baby to term. By the time rape was legally proven, it would be to late to abort.
- defishguy, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21Excuse me 1817 called and it wants it's birthing ideas back. According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5202a1.htm) From 1991-1999 there were only 4200 deaths that were "related" to pregnancy which includes childbirth. A large percentage of those deaths were because of high blood pressure that was already present in the mother. Given that births number in the 3-5 million in a given year the actual risk to the mother in childbirth is ridiculously low. Get facts and not bumper sticker slogans.
- DiggsOnlyJew, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14You were in the worst of situations, you lose your child or she gets custody and you pay child support for 18 years... I apologize for your loss as well. There should at least be some liability for the father when the baby is aborted without his consent.
- Vicissidude, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17The question is not whether it is life, but whether it is a baby. A fetus is alive just like a baby is. However, we make the distinction because one is born and the other is not.
Further, sperm is alive just like babies are. But to call sperm precious just because it's alive would be ridiculous, just like your argument. Every sperm is NOT sacred. - mcmlxxii, on 10/10/2007, -7/+17Sorry, you are joking, right? You think a man should be able to force a woman to go to term with a child she does not want? Can you imagine if it were men who got pregnant, and women were given the right to tell them whether to go to term or not? Back here in the 21st century....
- jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11also, you could give the same argument to a woman who wants to have an abortion. It's a bad argument. I am all in favor of women having 100% of the decision as long as they bear 100% of the costs.
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12There is just as much female birth control as there is male. You fail.
- czimmerman19, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13Look abortions are not a good thing, and its great for fathers to have more rights and responsibilities. But look at this from a legal perspective: abortion is legal right clearly protected by federal law. So Ohio is saying that a woman has to get permission from another person in order to exercise a constitutionally protected right. That's like saying she has to get her husband's permission before writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper.
- defishguy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+16The real issue that this article addresses is that women (whether they carry the baby or not isn't relevant - it's biology get over it) have determined that they alone have the right to decide whether or not a man becomes a father after both parties agreed to have unprotected sex. If one assumes that there is equal protection under the law then this is patently biased toward the mother. The truth is that except for rape or incest, a woman is not the sole parent of that child, and the child deserves the consent of both parents if it is to be killed before it is born. It's about time someone recognized that fatherhood should be honored, and that men should be freakin' able step up to the plate and be dads if they want to be. Women do not have the right to be the sole decision makers in the lives (or deaths) of children that have two parents.
- yournightmare, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18Oh, you're absolutely right. The rights of the mother not having to suffer for 9 months are clearly greater than the rights of the father having to suffer the rest of his life because some selfish whore decided to abort his baby. I mean, what's a lifetime of mental pain compared to a WHOLE NINE MONTHS?
- jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -18/+27I support this law as long as men are forced to pay child support. Why should men have to pay for the decision that ONLY a woman can make?
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