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Officials: Teens trained for suicide bombings in Iraq

cnn.com — Iraqi soldiers rounded up six teenagers in northern Iraq who were being trained, against their will, to carry out suicide bombings for al Qaeda in Iraq, the Interior Ministry said Monday.

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LadyKofNYC, on 05/26/2008, -14/+11There was no al Quaeda in Iraq until we invaded.
- jcm267, on 05/26/2008, -8/+14http://digg.com/political_opinion/ABC_News_Connect ...
- LadyKofNYC, on 05/26/2008, -12/+10http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
  - jcm267, on 05/26/2008, -8/+14FTA:
    "Instead, the report said, the CIA had concluded in June 2002 that there were few substantiated contacts between al-Qaeda operatives and Iraqi officials and had said that it lacked evidence of a long-term relationship like the ones Iraq had forged with other terrorist groups."
    - And need I remind you that Iraq was a well-known state-sponsor of terror, even going as far as paying thousands of dollars to the families of Palestinian terrorists?
    
    Now I've seen these reports before and after reading them it is sometimes apparent that the Mainstream Media is just as guilty at cherrypicking the reports as they accuse the Administration of regarding the intelligence. There were reports dating back to the 1990s linking Iraq to bin Laden and al Qaeda. Where does the truth lie? I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know enough to know that there was almost certainly a friendly relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda before George W. Bush was even the President.
    - rationalbeats, on 05/26/2008, -11/+7That's not true JCM why do you feel it necessary to lie?
      
      Unless you have a link to a NYT article from the 1990's showing evidence of a link to Osama and Hussein?
      
      Do you have that hard evidence JCM?
      
      I'll be awaiting you reply buddy.
    - jcm267, on 05/26/2008, -7/+12I posted a link to a ABC report from 1999 (before Bush was around to "cook the books") tying Saddam Hussein to bin Laden. There was a recent Pentagon report that did tie Iraq to al Qaeda. You can view it here (pdf):
      
      http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1 ...
      
      I'm awaiting your reply.
    - rationalbeats, on 05/27/2008, -12/+7pffft what tripe.
      
      I can't believe I wasted my time reading that crap.
      
      It said there were people working with Osama not Hussein working with Osama.
      
      jesus you are a right wing radical. I guess I am wasting my time with you liars.
    - jcm267, on 05/27/2008, -6/+14From the report:
      "Captured documents reveal that the (Saddam Hussein)
      regime was willing to co-opt or support organizations it knew to be part of al
      Qaeda-as long as that organization's near-term goals supported Saddam's longterm
      vision."
      
      "Saddam supported groups
      that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad,
      led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally
      shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives."
      
      Did you really read it? Go ahead and call me a liar and a right wing radical, it just makes you look like a moron.
    - bluto36, on 05/27/2008, -1/+5Pffft what tripe = oh my gawd i have just been served
    - jcm267, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4I'm sure that he saw that I posted the full report and then decided to wait a little while to respond so that he could pretend to have read it.
- Hortnon, on 05/26/2008, -7/+20Even if that were true, what point does it prove? Either way, AQ still trains teenagers to do their dirty work under threat of their family's well-being.
  - LadyKofNYC, on 05/26/2008, -12/+8Al Queda gets bigger and stronger because they can point to our actions in the Middle East and say "see look at the great evil. They're at war with your religion and culture. They want to kill you and your family. Join us"
    
    If not for our actions in the Middle East, the religions fanatics would just be screaming "America is the great Satan" on the street corner while people went about their business and ignored them.
    
    But we've done some ***** up ***** to the Arab/Persian world. Clinton caused the deaths of a half million Iraqi children. His psychotic Secretary of State told Dian Sawyer that "it was worth it". You think they don't get 60 Minutes in the Middle East? You think that ***** didn't piss them off? We overthrew several democratically elected leaders and replaced them with brutal dictators, as if to say "***** you, sand *****. We're in charge here. Shut the ***** up and deal with it." You think that ***** doesn't piss them off and make them want to blow ***** up???
    
    The longer was stay in Iraq, and the more Bush threatens Iran and the more we keep ***** with those people, the more suicide bombings and terror attacks we'll see. It's that simple.
    - Hortnon, on 05/26/2008, -8/+16But, they're not getting bigger and stronger. That's why they're recruiting teenagers - because they're running out of adults to throw at the enemy.
      
      And it was the Iraqi military that made this discovery and raid. Saying the whole of the Middle East is against us is just plain wrong.
      
      I agree that there's at least some logic behind "they're terrorists because we're there". But the blame for that can't be placed with us. Just because we piss some people off does not excuse their actions as terrorists.
    - Hortnon, on 05/26/2008, -7/+15I edited this in:
      
      I agree there is some logic to "they're terrorists because we're there". But only on the most basic level of "extremist Muslims don't like outsiders".
      
      Our presence there does not justify forcing children to be suicide bombers, ruining an entire generation.
    - LadyKofNYC, on 05/26/2008, -14/+8You think they would have been able to steal people's children 5 years ago?
      
      Unfavorable Opinion of the US:
      Turkey: 83%
      Palestine: 86%
      Jordan: 78%
      Egypt: 78%
      Iran: 76%
      Morocco: 56%
      Lebanon: 52%
      Kuwait: 46%
    - vault, on 05/26/2008, -8/+15Saddam Hussein was a democratically elected leader? Are you kidding? Tell that to the dead Kurds.
      
      Afghanistan...the Taliban didn't even have elections. They were not democratically elected in any sense of the word.
      
      The Middle East is full of theocracies- most of the leaders were not democratically elected. Except for Israel, by the way, where Arabs have served on the Knesset, on Israel's Supreme Court, as ambassadors, and in the IDF.
      
      And as far as the 'Persian world' goes, life under the Shah was far better than under the sayyed Ayatollah regime that we're now dealing with.
    - LadyKofNYC, on 05/27/2008, -12/+6We put Saddam in power and gave him weapons, including chemical and biological, which he used to attack Iran, Kuwait and the Kurds with our government's blessing
      
      We put the Shah in power after we overthrew their democratically elected PM, Mosadeq, who was pro-America and admired our Constitution. The Ayatollah regime was able to come to power because of anger over what we did to them,
      
      We also overthrew a democratically elected government in Pakistan and put a military dictator in power; and we support the Royal welfare recipients of Saudi Arabia.
    - LadyKofNYC, on 05/27/2008, -11/+6Hortnon, extremists Muslims would have no power if we weren't there.
      
      There's no telling how far along Iran would be politically and socially if we hadn't ***** with them. Same goes for Iraq, Pakistan and even Saudi Arabia.
    - vault, on 05/27/2008, -5/+12We put Saddam in power only to overthrow the pro-Soviet government of Iraq at the time, but the Alex Jones crowd usually leaves that out. And we didn't support violence against Kuwait...you have heard of the Gulf War, yes? As far as the US condoning the use of biological weapons against the Kurds, if you have a non-prisonplanet source for that, I'm interested in reading it. I've never heard that personally; I was under the impression we condemned it several times.
      
      Iran is a different story, and yes I realize Mosadeq/Operation Ajax/Pahlavi are prime conspiracy theory fodder. The Shah had reigned for hundreds of years, there was a parliament and a constitution so it's not like it was an absolute monarchy, and it was a US-friendly government unlike Mosadeq who wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry. We should have kept supporting the Shah, and eventually there would have been a parliamentary democracy with a symbol of state similar to the UK.......but Jimmy Carter had other ideas and now we're dealing with his mistakes.
      
      And I despise Musharraf in Pakistan, but they're a nuclear power now thanks to the guy we helped Musharraf overthrow. I would rather have a US-friendly nuclear power than a US-hating nuclear power, though I'll concede he hasn't been the greatest ally in the world either. He manages to hold onto his power somewhat, but it's a very delicate situation and Pakistan is fragile. Do we want to take the chance an anti-US government would seize control of Pakistan and sell nukes to *anyone* let alone terrorists?
      
      And I despise Saudi Arabia. We shouldn't be supporting Saudi Arabia at all, but when you're the world's largest oil consumer you sometimes have to deal with unsavory people. I'm not condoning what the Saudi Royal Family has done in any way- at all- I'm just explaining the motivation. I look forward to a Middle East without them in power, but that won't happen until we're off oil.
    - vault, on 05/27/2008, -4/+12"extremists Muslims would have no power if we weren't there."
      
      I just can't get behind that line of thinking. Terrorism isn't purely the result of blowback. There are real ideological differences between Sharia law and democracy that would still exist regardless. And a lot of power comes with the lock on crude oil the nations who sponsor them have through OPEC.
      
      Terrorism isn't just a manufactured threat- it's real. Blaming us for it is what the likes of Ward Churchill do, calling the victims of 9/11 "Little Eichmanns."
    - HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -7/+6Hortnon: "I agree that there's at least some logic behind "they're terrorists because we're there". But the blame for that can't be placed with us. Just because we piss some people off does not excuse their actions as terrorists."
      
      What is an appropriate response to your family being wiped out in a bombing, or jackbooted thugs bursting into your home in the middle of the night, screaming in some foreign language and taking all the men in your family off to some torture camp, never to be heard from again?
      
      Would you suggest that they call their lawyer?
      
      Brain... washed... grunt...
      
      Take Care
      HumanCattle.
    - Hortnon, on 05/27/2008, -4/+7I'd like to point out once again that this was the Iraqi military that made this particular discovery. I love how you ignore that and insert your biased *****.
    - HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -6/+5And how exactly are your opinions unbiased whatsoever?
      
      "Currently, I'm an Airman in the United States Air Force. I'm working as an Oracle 9i Database Administrator for the HQ Air Force Weather Agency. Stationed on Offutt AFB, south of Omaha Nebraska."
      
      You are military.
      
      A brainwashed grunt, by definition.
      
      Take care, sweetie.
      HumanCattle.
    - Hortnon, on 05/27/2008, -4/+7That's way out of date. Where'd you get that? I'm honestly curious.
      
      Either way, AQ training teenagers and the Iraqi military finding them are facts, and not subject to opinion.
      
      You are incredibly stupid.
- bamapachyderm, on 05/26/2008, -11/+17As usual, LadyK with the ignorant statements. They just weren't called Al Quaeda (sic) in Iraq, idiot. Zarqawi and his thugs *were* there, along with a ***** of others given sanctuary.
  Guess what else: there were no 9/11 troofers before 9/11, but there *were* ***** crazy conspiracy theorists.
  - Kizilbash, on 05/26/2008, -12/+11There was no al Qaeda in Iraq and what is there now is a group that has no organisational ties with the real al Qaeda at all. It is just a franchise.
    What you are fighting in Iraq is mostly remnants of the Baath party and local Sunni fundamentalists.
    - Stevanoski, on 05/27/2008, -10/+13The man speath outeth his arseth he knoweth not what he blathereth about.
    - twinklyJesus, on 05/27/2008, -6/+10There was no Al Qaeda in Pakistan, until we ran them out of Afghanistan, either. was that wrong?
- twinklyJesus, on 05/27/2008, -7/+15LadyK: "There was no furniture in the room, until I turned the light on!"
rationalbeats, on 05/26/2008, -12/+8Why did Bush bring terrorism into Iraq?
hmunkey, on 05/26/2008, -4/+17This is one of the things I really dislike about Diggers. I am a die-hard liberal, but Al Qaeda is not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
- Hortnon, on 05/27/2008, -4/+8I'm pretty liberal myself. I feel the same way...
- Kizilbash, on 05/27/2008, -7/+5Who says anything about al Qaeda being innocent? There are several issues here though: first of all there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before the US invasion. Saddam's regime was one of the most secular ones in the Middle East, minorities were protected (or at least as safe as anyone else, which I grant was not very safe at all but a lot safer than now), women were a lot more equal than anywhere else. al Qaeda and Saddam's regime hated each other more than they hated the US. Second: there isn't really an al Qaeda organisation in Iraq now, it is local Sunni fundamentalists with foreign volunteers with no real arganisatorial ties to al Qaeda, they are just using the name to create the fiction it is one organisation and the Bush regime plays along because the fiction suits them better too. Third: the 'proof' about mentally retarded people being used as human bombs is non-existent. The news that was reported on that turned out to be not true. Fourth: training teenagers is pretty bad, but not exactly unique to Iraq (in fact even many Western armies have been accused of recruiting and training teenagers, including our own Dutch army). The 'training against their will' part I tend to doubt but even if it were true it is being done an awful lot, most notoriously by the Ugandan Lord's Resistance Army (a Christian terrorist group). If we were to declare groups that do that enemies based on that, we will be very busy fighting...
  I am not saying al Qaeda or (Sunni) fundamentalist groups in general are the good guys in Iraq, I just don't think there are any good guys there. The US army itself and its allies are committing war crimes as bad as the other side. It is a nasty stinking cesspool of a war all the way.
HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -10/+8Buried as propaganda.
- jcm267, on 05/27/2008, -4/+10Yet you digg 9/11 "Truth" propaganda on a daily basis.
  
  Please explain how this submission is propaganda, cow.
  - HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -7/+4Please GTFO.
    
    I don't have to explain ***** to you, junior.
    
    Take Care
    HumanCattle.
    - jcm267, on 05/27/2008, -4/+9Of course you won't explain this to me, you can't. Anyways, hypocrite, I trust that you sent a detailed report of the Terms of Use violations that you just committed here to abuse@digg.com.
    - HumanCattle, on 05/27/2008, -3/+4I don't see "Telling jcm267 to GTFO" in the list of violations for the Terms of Use...
      
      In fact, it was actually advertised as one of the *benefits* of digg membership.
      
      *smooch*
      HumanCattle
MforMike, on 05/27/2008, -1/+2this is new news?
- Hortnon, on 05/27/2008, -2/+5To some people, unfortunately...
  
  Thought, it is interesting to see this discovery was made by the Iraqi military, not by US forces.
jjive, on 05/27/2008, -4/+2Terrorist...do it for Allah!
Innocent victim...why don't you do it?
Terrorist...no, I have Bin Laden appreciation mixer to go to next week.
monsieurginger, on 05/27/2008, -4/+4Suicide bombing, a national past time.

Take me out to the Paradise,
Take me out with the crowd.
Buy me some explosives and RPGs,
I don't care if I never get back,
Let me die, die, die for Allah,
If we don't kill the infidels its a shame.
For it's not one, three, but five prayers or you're out,
At the old jihad game.

Just made it up, thank you very much.
- Viend, on 05/27/2008, -3/+3Well it sucked.
  - monsieurginger, on 05/27/2008, -2/+2If you aren't from the States, you wouldn't know the tunes.
- LadyKofNYC, on 05/28/2008, -1/+1""""Suicide bombing, a national past time"""
  
  Yes because all Muslims are terrorists. At least you finally admit your true beliefs, monsieurginger.
chicofaraby, on 05/27/2008, -2/+5This is every bit as credible as the pictures of mobile weapons labs Colin Powell showed the UN.
nobelief, on 05/27/2008, -2/+1This is *****
card51short, on 05/27/2008, -5/+2*****!!! First they have guys with...*gasp* BOXCUTTERS turn this country upside down and now they are RECRUITING...*shudders with horror* TEENAGERS TO COME GET US!!!
noooooooooooo!!!
JIHAD is all to powerful for the U.S.!!!! We should just succumb to their will and give up. I mean teenagers?! How are we going to stop this powerful force from invading us, taking over and imposing Islamic law upon us all? IT'S OVER FOR US!!!
- bluto36, on 05/27/2008, -2/+6look way way over there... see that? its the point, you missed it by that much
  - Hortnon, on 05/27/2008, -3/+5It's card...this is business as usual for him...
    
    He's ok with those silly foreigners murdering children...as long as no Americans are harmed. We're better than everyone else, remember?
    - card51short, on 05/28/2008, -0/+1i'm not OK with it...why would I be OK with it?
      I'm just not threatened by it and I don't see why we should be sending our troops out to deal with...teenagers.
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