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- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -5/+30FINALLY!
America was founded on the idea of the Rule of Law, not the rule of emotion or fear.
We would all do well to remember the story of the Boston Massacre and John Adams. Many know of the massacre of civilians by British soldiers in the streets of Boston in the lead up to the revolutionary war, but do you know what followed?
A trial. A fair trial under the law for those British soldiers. Who would provide representation for those British soldiers? No one wanted the job for fear of public rebuke, but non-other than John Adams rose to the occasion. He did so because he recognized that rule under the law was more important than public outcry. He recognized that liberty is only preserved by equality under the law and that abandoning such principles at that moment would cause the colonial complaints of the crown to lose virtually all credibility.
To turn our backs on legal equality now is to waste the sacrifices of every American who ever fought and believed in liberty back to the very first.
I applaud this restoration of our senses, and feel that our once proud identity as a nation standing for "liberty and justice for all" is just that much returned. - skews13, on 11/13/2009, -3/+20What former Bush officials are worried about is he will testify to the fact he was waterboarded, and that will lead to possible investigations of war crimes commited by the former Whitehouse. If nothing else it will it keep the element of torture by the U.S. in the news cycles for a while. It also raises the question of what actions the UN, or the International Court would take, and if they would try any former Whitehouse officials, including the President, and Vice President of war crimes. Not to mention how many former, and current Republicans are now going to be silent on how the current President makes decisions on troop deployments to Afghanistan. This is going to get interesting.
- joculator, on 11/13/2009, -2/+15I want more pictures of the guy after he just woke up!
- phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -5/+17No.
Closing Guatanamo and restoring the American justice system is one of the things we hired Obama to do. Having this trail in New York using the American justice system for this trail is Obama taking a big step to fulfill a campaign promise.
Military Commissions were a total farce - markmcgwire, on 11/13/2009, -2/+13Yeah, that will just make it easy to claim it wasn't a "fair trial" and get unending appeals. Plus, these New Yorkers will be paying his lawyers.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -2/+13You mean a few hundred people might reveal that they never paid any attention to what Obama campaigned for?
The rest of us knew full well this was the kind of thing he was going to do because he promised us he would. That's why we voted for him. - pimpofpixels, on 11/13/2009, -8/+18Run out the patsies!
- dickeywayne, on 11/13/2009, -1/+11I am outraged that Republican lawmakers are outraged over this, and I'm a Republican (In theory, at least. I'm not a Christer or a Bushie.) The fact that these terrorist ***** weren't already tried and executed before Obama ever took office is the biggest EPIC FAIL of the entire Bush Administration. The current crop of Bush-supporters still holding onto their jobs need to start supporting Obama's efforts to bring these terrorists to justice by any means necessary, instead of squawking about it.
- inactive, on 11/13/2009, -4/+14What deceit was there, since 2001 they've always said Mohammed was the mastermind, Bin Laden is the spiritual figurehead but Mohammed had the brains and money to make it happen.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+10They got off.
It turned out the shooting was an accident. The crowd had formed a mob and surrounded the soldiers who they greatly outnumbered. They were shouting at them, carrying weapons, and throwing rocks and other items which struck and injured several of the soldiers. All the while people in the mob kept shouting "Fire!" At this point, a soldier was struck in the head with ball of ice hurled from the crowd and his weapon discharged. Not knowing who was doing the shooting and fearing for their lives, several other soldiers then fired on the crowd in a panic.
The commanding officer never gave the order to fire.
It was an unfortunate situation all around.
The jury agreed with John Adams argument that the soldiers had fired in self defense having feared for their own lives and decided in favor of the soldiers.
For all of this, those soldiers might have been hanged by that same mob a few days later if not for a colonial government determined to stick to the rule of law and John Adams' belief in the right to due process to the point of putting his own good reputation on the line. - MichaelCorleone, on 11/13/2009, -0/+9Oh he'll have fun if they put him in Rikers.
- NotAChickenHawk, on 11/13/2009, -0/+8You mean upholding the rule of law, and the Constitution, is cause for removing the President from office?
- RagManX, on 11/13/2009, -0/+8"Obama should be removed from Office today. This is an insult of the highest order"
Damn that man! I hate when we have a president who expects criminal cases to be tried rather than just skipping ahead to passing out punishments. There is nothing worse than an executive who believes in following legal process when dealing with someone most Americans just want to see executed. - shanehonda, on 11/13/2009, -1/+9I suppose we'll have to wait another 8 years for a verdict?
- AgeofMastery, on 11/13/2009, -1/+9You need to do something about your own delusions before you can help anyone else. Doing something you don't like isn't an impeachable offense.
- ironhide, on 11/13/2009, -1/+8"he holds the terrorist in favor" - by allowing them due process?
Some American you are, coward. - RagManX, on 11/13/2009, -0/+7Well, it is so different from what they got used to over the past 8 years.
- AgeofMastery, on 11/13/2009, -0/+7So if Obama needs to get over his silly obsession with people's rights you won't complain when he rounds up you and all the others speaking out against him right? Internal dissension strengthens the enemy, and we are at war...
- TotalHalibut, on 11/13/2009, -12/+19So what's with the invasion of truthers today? I thought they'd all gone to live in Paulville.
- Halsfield, on 11/13/2009, -9/+16Hopefully we can try these people as quickly and as fairly as possible (given the circumstances) , dole out punishments or apologies/reparations and learn from our mistakes(there are many). We need to learn that human rights are just important(if not more important) when we are attacked/at war as they are when we are at peace.
The most important lesson from guantanamo is that fair and speedy trials should be a given for all prisoners in our possession, regardless of nationality or crime. - CapnSlam, on 11/13/2009, -0/+6I never heard of 911 - can I be on the jury?
- niradg, on 11/13/2009, -9/+14is it truther morning? i hope it isn't birther afternoon today too.
- ShiftyBizniss, on 11/13/2009, -0/+5*trial
*trial - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -1/+6"Questions are not evidence. However the fact that they are not answered makes me skeptical of the original story."
Why do you let yourself be led so easily? It's just an appeal to ignorance.
Strange things happen around you every day. Why did that man across the street look at you that way? Why was there a completely uneaten burrito in the trash bin? Why did that person on the subway avoid eye contact with everyone?
The thing is, you accept simple answers for such things rather than entertaining wild accusations and complicated solutions because doing the latter would make you act like a paranoid weirdo all the time.
Why is 9/11 different? Why is it that, with 9/11, anything you'd normally dismiss as "kinda weird" you latch onto and think "Man, this makes me suspicious of EVERYTHING."?
There are easy explanations for everything you ask. From routine clerical errors to chance occurrence to people just not understanding what was going on during an unprecedented event in US history.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You provide lots of extraordinary claims, no evidence, and then you align yourself with people like jsmithers who actually has the nerve to call someone "gullible" for not buying into his completely unsupported argument.
Personally, I think you just WANT to blame the government or someone other than a handful of hijackers and an Arabian troglodyte. I think the truth, a real answer, is the last thing you're looking for. In fact, it's the only thing you deliberately avoid. You'll hang on to any excuse to deny a solid answer of what happened, because maybe you still haven't been able to deal with what happened. Maybe it's still just horrific for you to believe. It's too simple, and it's too terrible, and you just can't help but think "There has to be something MORE to this... this couldn't just happen so easily." I think you take some form of comfort in the idea that it took more than just a handful of guys with boxcutters and a few weeks flight training to perpetrate such a massive and terrible act of destruction and murder. Because that's not a world you can deal with. That's a world too scary to be lived in.
But here we are. If it's too much for you, I'm sorry, but don't be surprised when others aren't as tenaciously suspicious as you are. We've moved on from that day. We've come to terms with it. I am truly sorry you apparently cannot. - ironhide, on 11/13/2009, -1/+6"you at war" ug ug, me right-wing neanderthal.
- AgeofMastery, on 11/13/2009, -0/+5Moire issues?
If you're having moire issues try using your monitor's controls to get rid of them... - joculator, on 11/13/2009, -0/+4That was better than Andy Rooney.
- jhbarr, on 11/13/2009, -1/+5Didn't he confess on video after 9/11 with Bin Laden and before he was caught? Wouldn't that be admissible?
- phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -2/+6@ComeOnNowReally so, it got pushed back. Things get delayed sometimes, have you never had to push back a project at work?
Its obvious to me that he is following through on his promise even if the execution is taking longer then expected. - badtzmartin, on 11/13/2009, -2/+6It's "would have" or "would've", not "would of".
And I agree with Crimeordial. Your theory sucks. - Crimeodial, on 11/13/2009, -9/+13Ahh conspiracy theories. Too bad your theory doesn't hold water.
- cruisinaruban, on 11/13/2009, -1/+5Well, I've got some snacks laying around, so I'll feed the troll. Tell me, what would the "American" way to dealing with this be? Please don't make me ashamed to be your countryman. I'll kindly ask you to remember one of our complaints in the Declaration of Independence: "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:"
- ChoosyMother, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3He's a war criminal, not civilian. He should not, and can not be tried in a civilian court of law "by a jury of his peers."
- FET-Kun, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Right right, because putting criminals to trial that helped in the attacks of 9/11 is "anti-American".
These terrorists... they are so dangerous, we can't possibly keep them here in American prisons, where we keep our murderers and rapists locked up. You know, they might... escape some how and cause terror on our streets. - pushmouse, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3So did Bush let you down too? I bet not.
- joculator, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3...what happened to the Brits?
- ChoosyMother, on 11/14/2009, -2/+5I saw Obama scurry off to Japan like a cockroach right before Holder's held his press conference. What a coward.
- RagManX, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4"Iraq & Afghanistan are in jeopardy"
Afghanistan has been in jeopardy since Pres. Bush stopped focusing on the people who attacked us on 9/11 and started focusing instead on a country where some people tried to assassinate his father. Pres. Obama has already increased troop levels and just committed to an additional troop-level increase. Are you suggesting our Afghanistan efforts are in jeopardy because Pres. Obama has increased troop levels more than once after conservatives criticized his dedication to the war because he wouldn't increase troop levels when the Generals in charge asked for more?
Before leaving office, Pres. Bush signed the US withdrawal agreement that lead to our pulling troops back to our bases earlier this year and starting the process to bring the troops home. Initially Pres. Obama was going to accelerate the withdrawal of troops, but I believe he backed off on that plan. If our efforts in Iraq are in jeopardy, and ignoring for the moment the fact that there would be no jeopardy had we not illegally started that war based on hundreds of lies, then that is a result of the withdrawal agreement Pres. Bush signed, and only attributable to Pres. Obama insofar as he is sticking to that agreement. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 11/13/2009, -6/+9In related news, the zombie corpse of Johnnie Cochrine clawed its way out of the grave and has been seen heading towards NYC.
- boo1, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4"The left is all about the rule of law,"
No, it is more of a constitutional matter i believe.
I am guessing then that you don't want them to stand trial for the crimes they have been accused of? - NotAChickenHawk, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4Look at the bigger picture. We can all agree that this man is the embodiment of evil, right? What does it say about our country that we give even a man as bad as this one a fair trial? It is the brightest, loudest possible message to the world that the 9/11 attacks failed in their primary aim, which is to destroy the values that make America great. Justice for all is one of those values, and have no doubt that justice will be served by this decision.
- shylove, on 11/13/2009, -2/+5Yes but what is the penalty for those CIA terrorists who started with Afghanistan way back in 1979?
It reminds me of the NY fireman' father who got the US to put his sons name on a bomb destined for Saddam and had it dropped on innocent families instead. No matter Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11 either. And no matter that our proxy war in Afghanstan drawing Russia into it's Vietnam has had 30 years of little 9/11's starting back on 07/03/79...counting collateral damage is long and futile task... but the willingness to inflict it for ideological missions is something the human race must learn to get past. - ComeOnNowReally, on 11/13/2009, -2/+5His promise to close it in the first 100 days got pushed back right? His Jan 22 closing of Gitmo has been pushed back again, but no date as to when right?
- methdwman3, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4There isn't one 9/11 conspiracy theory that holds even the least bit of water. Frankly, you 9/11 truthers come off as ignorant morons.
- thinkrationally, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Wow, jerrdalton, you strike me as someone who thinks he knows what it means to be "American", but in reality hasn't got a clue. Didn't you lot have a revolution to divest yourselves of a monarchy that often did as it pleased, that often favored some and did away with others for frivolous reasons? Didn't you establish a system whereby each person was equal and deserving of the same treatment, and due the same process?
I've read some of your comments, and if they're really representative of you and how you might run a country then I can guarantee boatloads of refugees would be leaving your hell-on-Earth country for almost anywhere else. Good intentions can go seriously astray quickly without some constraints in place (like a Constitution). It's all well and good (for you) to say shoot them without a trial until the gun is pointed at your own head. The crime is heinous almost beyond belief, but serial killers, child molesters and murderers, and all manner of societal sludge get a day in court. This trial can be seen as the US practicing what it preaches. If they're guilty (I'm certainly not suggesting they aren't), I seriously hope they get their deserved punishment.
What I hope (and no doubt most Americans hope) is that someone like you never gets any kind of position of power. - cruisinaruban, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4LOL. "Marxist piece of *****," "***** you," "you liberal moron." That is what makes you a troll. Not your opinion. Well, I'm more comfortable with following the Constitution and our laws than by going with your gut on what they "deserve." Hell, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like what I "deserve" in your opinion.
- phogasmic, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4If they are guilty then what do we have to lose by giving them a fair trial?
We stand to lose a lot more if we don't give them a fair trial. - Infowarsdotcom, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4Bin Laden has never confessed to 9/11. And no he wasn't in the video you're talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ - ChoosyMother, on 11/14/2009, -1/+3Timothy McVeigh was a US Citizen, and had rights protected to him by the US Constitution. BIG difference... He was a civilian. KSM is not.
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