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- HALNINETHOUSAND, on 06/08/2009, -3/+29It's so hard to be optimistic about anything involving Israel and Palestine. The whole situation has fallen apart so many times.
- joshmoney, on 06/09/2009, -5/+25Terror must stop.
/there, fixed. - dlan4327, on 06/09/2009, -1/+17Call me a cynic but I'll believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
There have always been peace talks in the Middle East.
That said, I hope for their sake that Israel and Palestine can one day settle their differences. - bmcnally, on 06/09/2009, -5/+17I would prefer that he fix domestic issues first.
I'm worried that the President is randomizing himself too much - if he spreads himself thin, he'll end up not getting anything accomplished anywhere. You only have so much political capital (and money in the budget). - Jensaarai, on 06/09/2009, -9/+20Good. Israel has been stalling the whole process for far too long. So has what passes for Palestinian leadership. Obama might be the first president in recent memory willing to take a sterner (but still friendly) stance re:Israel and actually get something done. (Not much, but one more agonizing step.) And having talks come on the heels of the Cairo speech might actually get some Muslim nations to take him seriously, while further discrediting Al Qaeda/The Taliban's dismissal of him as "all talk, no action" that still holds some sway in that region.
If there is a serious discussion going on around the time of Iran's elections, this could have huge consequences for the entire region. Iran's spiritual leader has already given the nod to the moderate opposition party to take another stab at things. (They were in control for 9/11 and held vigils for 9/11 victims and helped us smoke out the Taliban in Afghanistan... until Bush went and screwed things up by naming Iran in the axis of evil, causing their leaders to be politically humiliated and helping them get ousted. Iran responded to our belligerence by electing their own belligerent Ahmenijad) Look for one or two public, (even if superficial) disagreements/spats between the US and Israel (even in the form of barbed comments) as those elections come. If we flip Iran to a more neutral stance, it can instantly help calm the situations in its two neighboring countries we happen to have a bunch of our troops in.
Oh wait, this is digg. Sorry for that. I meant to say. "OBAMA ROX LOL" or "OBAMBI SOCIALIST MUSLIN COMMIE!" - RockyCosmos, on 06/09/2009, -1/+10I would LOVE to see that poll.
- Swift2, on 06/09/2009, -0/+9Not true. Just before the assassination of Rabin, that was also true.
- kukurio, on 06/08/2009, -4/+13For the first time in history, a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians are in favor of a two-state solution. Obama would be foolish if he didn't try to iron something out right now. If he could pull it off by the end of 2010, and have it remain stable until 2012, he'd basically guarantee himself reelection.
- Swift2, on 06/09/2009, -2/+11On the other hand, we know that the devil himself can quote scripture, and often does.
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -6/+14Because "talks" have worked SO well in the past.
- Kelto1, on 06/09/2009, -5/+12Am I supposed to believe anything a conspiracy troll says? Get over your ridiculous insinuations and lies.
- Barackalypse, on 06/09/2009, -2/+9The only way there will ever be peace there is when one or both sides are gone. Too many people seem to have a vested interest in keeping this little conflict going for it to end at the bequest of a foreign President.
- rodrigo74, on 06/09/2009, -1/+8...the options being?
- strangewill, on 06/09/2009, -7/+14What is with people like you that feel the need to inform people that you've blocked them? Are you like 14?
- spookyttws, on 06/09/2009, -1/+7Yeah, I'd like to see a peace agreement reached as soon as humanly possible. I'd also love a candy coated unicorn that pooped cash. Sadly, neither are going to exist anytime soon.
- Deeh, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6Is this U.S. still in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Glass houses.... - Swift2, on 06/09/2009, -3/+8Can we expect you, SocialistPig, to keep a civil tongue in your head, or is it axiomatic that right-wingers are full of nothing but contemptuous disdain because it makes them forget how pitifully stupid they are?
- crunchyeyeball, on 06/09/2009, -1/+6@zephc: "Pull the US out completely, and let Israel and the rest of the region duke it out. Israel is more than ready I'm sure."
Sounds ideal in theory, but "duking it out" involves Iran and the rest of the region developing their own nukes, and that would not be good for anyone, US included. The US is the only country with the influence to bring Israel to the negotiating table, so why not at least try? - inactive, on 06/09/2009, -3/+8No u!
- 4NDr01D, on 06/09/2009, -1/+5actually the Mexicans did declare themselves independent of Spain...
ever heard of Cinco de Mayo?
besides all of our land was stolen from the tribes of North America
and no one wants to defend those "tribes" :( - OneFreespirit, on 06/09/2009, -1/+5You started great, but then, you showed you're full of ***** by using the middle name only for one of them.
- GlassAgate, on 06/09/2009, -1/+5If diplomacy doesn't work the first time, give it another try.
Could it hurt? - casek, on 06/09/2009, -2/+6i agree.
- Barackalypse, on 06/09/2009, -7/+11I'm failing to see him having fixed anything, anywhere. In fact, looking at his actions, nothing is different, we're still dropping bombs in Pakistan, we're still allowing terror suspects to be renditioned to God knows where for interrogation, we're still exerting "state secrets" privileges to try and stymie trials involving warrantless wiretapping. The economy is still hemorrhaging jobs, the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies seem to have utterly screwed bondholders and rewarded the unions. We are facing record deficits.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3For someone who knows so much about Islam you would know that the law forbidding dhimmis to build or restore temples was never fully standardized in the religion and in many regions, including Jerusalem, Jews were allowed to rebuild temples. When the Muslims took over Jerusalem it became an extremely tolerant place where Jews Muslims and Christians lived together and all had their own temples.
It was the Christians who came back during the crusades and destroyed all Muslim and Jewish temples and banned all non Christians from the city again. - medfreak, on 06/09/2009, -2/+5Israeli / Palestinian conflict is not religious, but presented as such so as to sustain the conflict as long as possible.
- rodrigo74, on 06/09/2009, -5/+8Not to mention Santa, he is certainly not happy with all this.
- nrylee, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3Yea, umm.. not dissing Obama, partly because I know that will get me buried faster than a (insert something that gets buried fast), but it is HIGHLY unlikely that it will help. I mean even if he did get them to sign it, which would be more luck on his part than anything else, it will be quickly disobeyed, and possibly get a leader or two assassinated. Sure, it WOULD be great, but as the saying goes, history repeats itself, and that describes the relations of Israel and the rest of the Middle East better than just about anything else I can think of.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 06/09/2009, -1/+4there's a few things different this time-
Most US presidents tend to address this issue during the end of their presidency- the also tend to suck up to Israel. - WasabiBomb, on 06/09/2009, -1/+4Helping them negotiate is NOT the same as bombing the crap out of a country just 'cause we want their oil.
- sodade, on 06/09/2009, -1/+4It's so hard to be optimistic about anything involving Israel and Palestine. The people in power on both sides want to keep their power and the violence helps them both.
- Swift2, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3Nothing's worked in the past.
- poxonyou, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3"Obama might be the first president in recent memory willing to take a sterner (but still friendly) stance re:Israel and actually get something done. (Not much, but one more agonizing step.) And having talks come on the heels of the Cairo speech might actually get some Muslim nations to take him seriously, while further discrediting Al Qaeda/The Taliban's dismissal of him as "all talk, no action" that still holds some sway in that region.
Obama has actually taken a rather standard US position. People are mistaking rhetoric put in an eloquent speech delivered in a US-puppet repressive regime (Egypt), for actual policy. There has been countless articles countering the mainstream media and Democratic pundits attempt to paint Obama as miracle working radical in regards to this. Here are just 3 from the past few days:
Chomsky: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21649 Chris Hedges: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090608_hold_ ... A Bush in sheep's clothing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/0 ... Many others (not from Republicans btw): http://www.commondreams.org/category/regionalgeogr ... - Mercedes383, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3That was 60 years ago, failure to move on is one of the things that keeps the process stalled.
- Greengoo, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2The men in white coats will be here soon to collect you and take you home.
- Jensaarai, on 06/09/2009, -2/+4Dude, really? Hate? I take a slightly less than full-throated pro-Israel stance and that qualifies as 'hate?' If that's the world you live in, I wonder what you call people who actually fully disagree with whatever your stance is.
The events of 60 years ago happened.. uh, lemme grab my calculator... 60 FRIGGIN YEARS AGO! Right on the heels of a lot of armed conflict that left both sides pretty pissed. At this point in history, neither side is spotless in its record, and whoever is 'worse' is an argument that can be left to history, once the real work of diplomacy is done. But this is a new generation and there's hope, battered as it may be.
The United States MUST take a more neutral stance in regards to Israel/Palestine if its interests in the region are to be served. That's the cold hard political reality. And that reality dictates that 60 years later, there will be another chance for peace, no matter how 'hateful' you find it.
EDIT: Ah, I see you edited the 'hate' part out. Probably because I was still making some edits to the original post to convey my neutrality better. Fair enough. But my point stands. - sandhyap, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Only so much money in the budget? Are we talking about the same America?
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3This time we're going to use harsh words.
- maz2331, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner here!
Even if the leadership of the different factions do agree, their power is not absolute enough to make a deal stick for long. Some asshat extremist will blow something up, and the war reignites. Attempts to gain enough actual control will cause an internal rebellion against the leader, and an extremist will take over and violate the agreement.
Both sides are not complete monoliths, but are more akin to coalitions, and the 10% or so of "extremists" can wreak havoc, as they have a sort of heckler's veto.
It's happened every time. - RogueGenius, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2nrylee,
It ain't gonna hurt. We know for sure that doing ***** all nothing for eight years only made things worse.
Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it's not worth doing. - 4NDr01D, on 06/09/2009, -1/+3keep believing Arabian Fairy Tales
***** wacko! - Barackalypse, on 06/09/2009, -2/+4I'm sure they will, but I suspect the method of settling will probably be the extermination of one side or the other.
- wisam, on 06/09/2009, -2/+4Thank you.
Because there's such thing as State terror.
Both sides are guilty. - PopcornDave, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2But Obama wants "immediate" action so it's going to happen.
/s - writie, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1It's not just Obama, it's just about the whole int'l community has called for a stop to settlements. If Israel has "taken" the land in a war, why doesn't it offer citizenship to the occupants?
- writie, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1140: when was the last attack from the West Bank, and how many Israelis have died in attacks from Gaza? If that's "all their efforts", Israeli has little to worry about concretely.
From its actions, it looks like the Israeli cabinet is more worried about the possibility of peace breaking out. - maz2331, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1The problem is "fundies" who don't listen to leaders, and use a heckler's veto over the entire process. It only takes a few terrorist attacks for all reason to fly right out the window.
- kukurio, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1@RockyCosmos,
Here you go: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvo ... - RogueGenius, on 06/11/2009, -0/+1mysql,
I suspect you are an *****, and I would dearly love to digg you down...
But there just isn't anything in that comment that isn't 100% dead on. Dugg up. -
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