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- Thebarron00, on 11/11/2009, -3/+40"Editor's note, 9:57 p.m. EDT: The White House has issued the following response to this story, attributed to White House National Security Advisor James Jones:
"Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false. He has not received final options for his consideration, he has not reviewed those options with his national security team, and he has not made any decisions about resources. Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources." " - irishjays, on 11/10/2009, -20/+54Great, now my cousins can die in the name of protecting the opium trade for the black nobility. Anyone want to explain to me why we are there again? What will we be winning if we win this war, other than giving our dead a reason?
If you make a valid argument please also explain why if we're in Afghanistan because of 911, we're not in Saudi Arabia. It its because of terrorism than it seems to me this would be like attacking the practice field of a football team when they're sleeping at home.
Also Explain to me why if we're fighting Al Qaeda, where they are. Why would they be in Afghanistan?
I think they went there because it was remote and they could hide and train. You think they just sat around there because they wanted to defend the land?
But please, if you know more, let us all in on it. - zacharytelschow, on 11/10/2009, -2/+26"Anyone want to explain to me why we are there again? What will we be winning if we win this war, other than giving our dead a reason?"
When will the media ask Obama those same questions? - pkarnig, on 11/10/2009, -10/+33Shame on you Barack Obama! What is our goal? What is the plan? What is the threat that we are preventing? No Answers that I have seen.
- tsahsiewfan, on 11/10/2009, -4/+25Can we please capture Osama bin Laden!?
- frcc, on 11/10/2009, -3/+20Where's the antiwar movement now?
- Airforcefalco, on 11/10/2009, -4/+19Is it doublethink to say you are going to end the war only to escalate it and then expect people to believe both?
- Hetman, on 11/10/2009, -1/+15The same place it has been during the last 60 years of american foreign policy. Being ignored. Thanks for asking though.
- treehugger87, on 11/10/2009, -2/+15I want the media to ask Obama tougher questions about this war. He either has to convince us that we need to be there or ge the hell out.
- zacharytelschow, on 11/10/2009, -6/+17Yes, some will criticize Obama either way on this issue. I, though conservative, am not one of those. I realize this is a no-win decision and either course of action can have consequences.
What makes me upset is the indecision. This matter is very important, yet Obama has pushed it aside and attended to numerous other issues first. - treehugger87, on 11/10/2009, -4/+14Bite me. It was Saudis who attacked us. I am not echoing a liberal position, I am stating the truth. What are our goals in Afghanastan? Why are we there? What would be the perfect outcome? Is it worth the price?
- treehugger87, on 11/10/2009, -10/+20NO NO NO NO NO! Damnit this makes me mad. It is time to get the ***** out of Afghanistan. Enough Obama, enough!
- akhomestead, on 11/10/2009, -8/+18After hearing that ***** for 8 years from bush supporters I suppose I shouldn't expect anything different from Obama supporters.
I guess the left wasn’t anti war after all, just anti bush. - zacharytelschow, on 11/10/2009, -9/+18There are numerous and well articulated reasons a public "option" would be damaging. There's zero good reasons things like trying to get Chicago the Olympics should have been addressed before Afghanistan.
- zacharytelschow, on 11/10/2009, -5/+14More importantly: how is victory defined? These are questions Bush was asked every day, yet no one seems to bother asking Obama these same questions.
- vbullinger, on 11/10/2009, -2/+10I wouldn't bring that up. Benazir Bhutto did just that, and then she got her head blown off.
- zyklon, on 11/11/2009, -0/+7Ok then, so sensationalist headlines? Really? Say it ain't true!
I'm not surprised someone pounced on a rumour like this. - costumemaker, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6I got your anti-war movement right here.
If there is one thing that the US hasn't learned, it's that Afganistan is the graveyard of empires. No one wins there because it is less of a country and more of a coalition of thousands of tribal groups.
The answer in that country has never been one of military might. - dstz, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6What if NATO gets out of Afghanistan now, Taliban regain power, and further destabilize a nuclear armed country, Pakistan? what will, in a few years, liberals and conservatives alike say of the Obama presidency if it led to Muslim extremists (and not a relatively moderate, if despotic, Islamic regime as in Iran) getting hands on a well established military nuclear program?
- insomniacal, on 11/11/2009, -2/+8That's some Nobel Peace talkin' right there!
- diggnutty, on 11/11/2009, -3/+9How's that whole change thing working out for ya?
- akhomestead, on 11/10/2009, -4/+10No, we might have to stop the war, and we can't have that.
- Zomgondo, on 11/11/2009, -2/+8You know what else the Nazis did? THEY ATE FOOD! Anyone remember when Obama and Biden went out for burgers? Coincidence my ass! And it's a well-known fact that Hitler loved playing basketball!!! Who else likes playing basketball? Oh that's right... OBAMA!!!!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE, YOUR LIBERTY IS UNDER ATTACK!!!! - nofx1510, on 11/11/2009, -1/+7"You think they just sat around there because they wanted to defend the land?"
Osama said Afghanistan is the only country in the world that stayed true to the Taliban and Al Qaeda by harboring them. This is probably the reason they stayed. - D1Foley, on 11/10/2009, -2/+8He said he was going to send more troops to Afghanistan, not end it.
Oh and ByteRider Nazi socialists really? really? because if your serious, wow is all I have to say. - twiztidsinz, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6Go take a geography class....
Iraq =/= Afghanistan. - Waiting2awake, on 11/10/2009, -7/+12Seems obvious now doesn't it?
- frcc, on 11/10/2009, -5/+10He's been dead for years but they need him in the boogie man role to keep people afraid. This maintains support for endless wars with no definable enemy.
- randmcnally, on 11/11/2009, -2/+7you haven't even caught Carmen Sandiego yet.
- Vodd9, on 11/11/2009, -15/+20Change you can believe in!
... Right guys?... right??? - treehugger87, on 11/10/2009, -6/+11You *like* the fact that he is sending more Americans off to die for nothing?
- lohphat, on 11/11/2009, -1/+6Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
At least he's not nickle-and-dimeing troops and listening to the military as to what they need. - UniversalGuy, on 11/10/2009, -18/+23Can we just all agree now that no matter what decision Obama made here, he would be criticized either way by both sides?
He just can't win with some people, no matter what he does.
How about a little support for the president?
Sending our men and women overseas is not an easy decision. And can have dire consequences, as Georgy so clearly demonstrated. - inactive, on 11/11/2009, -1/+6Who is the black nobility, Jay-Z and Beyonce?
- Tiak, on 11/11/2009, -1/+6It was Saudi nationals who executed an attack planned in Afghanistan by an organization based in Afghanistan which the Afghan government (the Taliban) explicitly chose to harbor. So yeah, Afghans attacked us.
Our mission there is to establish a government that would keep Al Qaeda from using Afghanistan as a base of operations. It really isn't as murky as people seem to like to imply. - PlatnumPlatypus, on 11/11/2009, -2/+7Our current occupations seems to be based solely on security in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is secured once our miltary trains their police forces. America is secured by ensuring it has a structured ally/influence in a region with nuclear bombs and Taliban.
Nonetheless, America has an underlying responsibility to the future of Afghanistan. A.) Afghanistan was influential to the Cold War (Charlie Wilson and the Stinger missile). B.) We invaded, we must take responsibility. Hence our occupation in Iraq. Regardless of what many Americans believe, our nation must understand it's responsibility and future effects of our actions. The way we see Russia invading Georgia is the way other nations may view America in the middle east: domineering, irrelevant, and intimidating.
Should we care what other countries think of America? To a degree.
Should we worry over whether Afghan should be secured before we leave? To a degree.
Should we believe Afghans security influences the possibility of nuclear bombs falling into the hands of terrorist -even if a country away? Yes.
We are sending more troops to stabilize; we are stabilizing the country, and America's placement in the world. We cannot abandon responsibility. - Hetman, on 11/10/2009, -1/+5I have nothing to say about war anymore. Does it matter what I say? Apparently not. It is a volunteer army if you want to sign up to kill people go for it. I have washed my hands of that mess. To quote JBT
"I'm not patriotic man
For what it's worth
What I am, I said is what I am
I be damned if I stone cold kill a man
In the name of a flag
A patriotic game
You got blood on your hands it ain't me to blame" - abcdeath, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4lack of jobs to support those troops?
they already have jobs, they are in the ***** military! if they are stateside or in afghanistan.... they actually get paid MORE being overseas. - theNazz, on 11/10/2009, -7/+11Obama and the rest of the clowns in DC are in line to be the next empire to collapse trying to occupy and nation build in Afghanistan. Heck of a job Obama, mission accomplished!
- AgeofMastery, on 11/11/2009, -1/+5@Airforcefalco
Obama did say he favored escalating our involvement in Afghanistan during the campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/obama.afgha ... - TheOther1, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4Bingo!
- sulthernao, on 11/11/2009, -1/+5Obama was never against the Afghanistan War.
- USArugula, on 11/11/2009, -4/+7zacharytelschow:
"now that Obama is in power the antiwar movement has nothing to say about war anymore."
1. Most of the people you call anti-war were actually anti-unnecessary-war, i.e., Iraq. The majority supported going after Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
2. Bush ran us blindly into a minefield. Exiting that minefield just as blindly would be no wiser. - Hetman, on 11/11/2009, -2/+5Personally for me Yea. It has more to do with just Obama though. He is part of the reason though I cannot deny that. When you look through history. No group seems to be able to stop wars. You can protest which I did, write letters to congressman and senators which I did. Evenutally you just give up put your hands down your pants and take it easy. I am to old for this. Let the 18-22 year olds deal with the problem now. They are going to be the ones fighting anyways.
- uncleosbert, on 11/11/2009, -1/+4actually, they're right where they've been all along:
"With waning public approval of the Afghanistan war, however, antiwar groups have noticed an increase in support. "We've had a lot of decentralized action in October," said Gael Murphy, co-founder of Code Pink.
Antiwar actions such as the committee hearing protest, in which Blome and Hubert participated in earlier this month, have slowly started to reemerge. So far this year there have been eight official "disruption of Congress" arrests, compared with only four in all of 2008, according to Capitol Hill Police. These types of protests are likely to increase, said Murphy."
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/30/antiwar-ac ...
http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_ ... - BasalCellBossk, on 11/11/2009, -1/+4Problem with Afghanistan is we can't pull out. The Taliban want to take over Pakistan, right next door, and they are currently attempting to do so. Pakistan has a lot of hard line Muslim extremists who are perfectly OK with this.
The issue? Pakistan has NUKES.
You really think the jihadi fruitcakes in the Taliban will stop at using nukes? Really? The safety of the entire planet is at stake with these clowns if they get hold of nukes.
At least the Russians were as afraid of nuclear annihilation as we were, preventing holocaust. Not so the fundie Muslims, they think they'll get some kind of magical reward for blowing everything up.
We have to stop the Taliban becoming stronger. There is no choice. - rocknog, on 11/11/2009, -1/+4General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don't think I do, sir, no.
General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. - marx2k, on 11/11/2009, -2/+5ftc08, been seeing it that way for years now. We're spending billions per year to capture one person. We've always been at war with Eurasia.
- rocknog, on 11/11/2009, -3/+6Why did they never ask Bush those questions? Okay, I confess, that was a rhetorical question, but I'll answer it, and I want to make it absolutely clear that this has nothing to do with partisan politics. It's about the nature of the news. The major news networks can't get enough of war. They ***** jizz their pants at every clip of grainy night-cam footage they can get their hands on of a military bunker being obliterated by a laser-guided missile.
They love war. They promote the hell out of it. They won't ever dare question our motivations when it comes to war, because war sells. They know that whichever network can get the prettiest fireworks will have the most people glued to their TV sets. This is why the news networks never questioned the Afghanistan war. This is why they never questioned the Iraq war. They wanted as little controversy as possible, so they could have the biggest audience when the missiles started flying. - networkadmin06, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3I don't see what every one is bitching about Afghanistan is not that bad most of the people want us over there i just spent 12 months over serving in the navy the vast majority of the country is safe but it seems on the American media you only hear about the unsafe part its kinda of ***** up. and you know when i get out of the navy in a couple months i have a job lined up and i have a house sometimes i forgot there even is a recession. if you people really want ***** to change quit bitching and go out and do something about it.
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