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- inactive, on 10/11/2009, -32/+373Digg submission from January 15, 2009 (w/ 3210 Diggs)
"Barack Obama to end US army's 'don't ask don't tell' policy"
http://digg.com/politics/Barack_Obama_to_end_US_ar ...
I'll hold off on the congratulations until it actually happens. I'd also love to see him step up on allowing gays to legally marry, but I guess that's just too liberal for the current crop of Democrats. - lukak, on 10/11/2009, -33/+303Dear military and american right wing,
There are gay people. Deal with it.
Signed,
Straight Person-Who-Doesn't-Stick-His-Nose-In-Other-People's-Private-Lives. - CommodoreCrunch, on 10/11/2009, -9/+246"Mr. President: when?!"
"Don't ask."
"Why not?!"
"I'm not telling..." - johnnr2, on 10/11/2009, -27/+189There will be passionate opposition this time as well! The GOP cult will not be pleased.
- FOR3MAN, on 10/11/2009, -9/+143I never understood wanting to deter someone from possibly taking a bullet for their country, in other words YOU and I, because of their sexual preference. I commend the move.
- Jadler88, on 10/11/2009, -2/+126I'm in the military and my care meter is reading a 0 on the topic. If the dude will not be retarded and not get some of us killed, I really don't give a ***** if he likes dick.
- Emperor03, on 10/11/2009, -1/+78I'm a conservative, and I'm a veteran and I support ending "don't ask don't tell". I have nothing but respect for gay Americans who want to serve our country, and I'll be proud when they can finally let everyone know.
That being said, the culture of the military is very different from the civilian world. It's a very hyper-masculine world, and I can see a lot of push back from current members of the military on this. Sadly enough, I think many will choose to stay "in the closet" to avoid the harassment. - inactive, on 10/11/2009, -10/+87"This is NOT a duplicate"
Yes, those of us who follow politics are quite aware of that -- I simply think its important for people to realize this is a re-commitment on Obama's part.
"Please read the article before being an ass."
Try to realize that historical context is important in politics. Perhaps there are some Digg readers who didn't remember this was promised when Obama took office.
I am not trying to trash your submission, only add to it, so stop acting like a tantrum-throwing child. - ShingoEX, on 10/11/2009, -5/+71I love how people oppose this because homosexuality is considered "immoral behavior" to them, but they have no problems with war.
- robwhite1979, on 10/11/2009, -9/+73Posting the same comment 30 minutes later because you didn't like the response you got the first time around is useless... How about constructing an actual argument for your case and responding to the questions the previous replies brought up before you got buried instead?
- rpgmakr, on 10/11/2009, -5/+68People didn't feel comfortable around blacks either.
- ColonelSlanders, on 10/11/2009, -33/+94the republicans are anti-american and anti-military if they oppose this. there's no reason to turn away someone willing to defend his/her country just because of their orientation. but for some reason republicans have to stick their noses in the lives of gay people.
- Jadler88, on 10/11/2009, -1/+55That can apply to a heterosexual relationship as well can it not?
- MurphyWatson, on 10/11/2009, -8/+59I think its the right thing, but the military might be too conservative as whole, like I think if I were gay and in the military that I'd still keep it a secret, to be perfectly honest.
- kward711, on 10/11/2009, -8/+57"This is a military decision let those in the military deal with it. Because guess what it doesn't effect those of you who are not in the military."
aren't we paying for the military? Don't the taxpayers have some sort of say in it?
"Maybe you guys didn't notice but gay's can already serve in the military they just can't say anything about it."
So you think it's right for military veterans who have dedicated their lives to protecting our country and our people to be forced to leave based on who they're attracted to? I swear the whole opposition to don't ask don't tell stems from stereotypes of homosexuals.
"Quite frankly this move will be opposed by the military (And whose decision should it be?) and the republicans."
and all this time I've thought the republicans and the military were patriotic Americans. guess I was wrong.
"Not to mention how much this will hurt the effectiveness of the military."
Can you give me a few examples instead of these vague statements?
"sorry but if everyone doesn't want the gay guy to be there he may as well not be in the unit. Then the gov't is spending money on a useless person inside the defense budget."
so even if he's fighting for his country, if he's different than everybody else he's completely useless?
I swear some people fall under the impression that all gay people are some sort of vicious animals that like to forcible rape other men if they be open about it. I commend you sir for bravely fighting for our country but don't let ignorance get in the way of patriotism and love of your country. - iammike08, on 10/11/2009, -4/+51I could care less if a gay man is in the same shower room as me as long as he follows the same rules I do. Now if he's sitting there staring at my junk the whole time, that can be called sexual harassment just as it would if that action was taken between a man and a woman.
Seriously, men are so homophobic about the thought of another guy checking them out yet don't have a problem if a woman checks them out...even if they aren't attracted to that woman. It's simple homophobia disguised. - Squidgius, on 10/11/2009, -0/+46I am also actually in the military, and a heterosexual male, and am perfectly fine with gays being open about their lives. I mean, come on, we all already know who's who anyway, right? This just means no one gets kicked out for some stupid *****. Please don't speak for all of us, okay.
- Shirt, on 10/11/2009, -0/+44I've always thought it'd be easier to just eliminate the word marriage from anything related to the government. Just put the government in charge of civil unions (which would be identical to the current benefits you get for marriage) and let "marriage" be solely in the hands of a church that wants to perform a ceremony. After all, a religious person has no real reason to care what the government calls it. Marriage is important to them in the eyes of God.
Because for some ***** up reason they REALLY care about the word marriage. - kashk5, on 10/11/2009, -0/+44They said having black people in the military would hurt unit cohesion. You know what happened? The unit got over it.
- burrdugg, on 10/11/2009, -8/+52The U.S. Navy does not need to tell. We figured on our own.
- jhbarr, on 10/11/2009, -6/+49Dude grow up.
- danfive555, on 10/11/2009, -7/+49Obama should:
A) Announce things after they are accomplished.
B) Finish all his Pronouncements with the words, "God willing." - bratterscain, on 10/11/2009, -2/+44Is little Timmy afraid of popping wood while roomed with a gay soldier in the barracks? Otherwise, it's his business what he does with his dick, not yours.
- inactive, on 10/11/2009, -3/+44But is that fair?
Women's voting rights were a "state decision" at one time as well...just remember that. - iammike08, on 10/11/2009, -1/+40I'm in the military, been in for 8 years and still going. I'm not gay but guess what, I support this move by Obama. I don't really see how this changes anything for me in the military.
- ChadN, on 10/11/2009, -1/+40What hypothetical *****.
- bmson, on 10/11/2009, -2/+40"they're only going to make people uncomfortable..."
Let me change that for you...
"they're only going to make you uncomfortable..." - dikky, on 10/11/2009, -2/+40yeah just look around at other countries militaries that allow openly gay people in.
I hear that every guy gets raped every month and they all get brainwashed into worshiping satan - Blinker1315, on 10/11/2009, -14/+49"Cult" is the right word. Most independents and conservatives I know don't care at all about getting rid of the very dumb "don't ask, don't tell" policy. If a man or woman is brave enough to join the military and risk injury or worse, who are people to judge their personal lives? Yes, the goofballs like Limbaugh will cry foul, but so what. I should add, however, that Obama is not exactly rushing to repeal this policy. He promises a lot, and then doesn't deliver.
- bmson, on 10/11/2009, -10/+45"Dont't ask-don't tell"
How can this be legal, in a western country.
Do they also have to ride in the back of the bus? - BullBearMS, on 10/11/2009, -1/+36Since the military is no longer uni-sex, how is this different than if a straight soldier had a girlfriend in his platoon?
- katana0182, on 10/11/2009, -1/+35I think Barry Goldwater, quite a conservative, said it best: "It doesn't matter if they are straight, it matters that they shoot straight."
Same thing for the ridiculous rules restricting women from front-line posts. This is utterly stupid - in the 'Stan and Mess'o'Potamia, women have proven that they're the equal in every way of men. Oh, and I do want women to register for the draft, too. Equal rights means equal responsibilities, no? - diskoh, on 10/11/2009, -1/+35Maybe you should educate yourself. Or better yet, let Lt. Col Victor Fehrenbach educate you. He is an 18 year veteran who was handpicked to defend American airspace after we were attacked on 9/11. He has won practically every honor a soldier can be awarded. His superiors and everyone on his base have nothing short of praise for the man and his heroics. We spent 25 million taxpayer dollars to train him. And then kicked him out because a civilian accused him (he didn't tell anyone) of being gay.
If you think this is a good policy, you are simply put, a piece of *****. - inactive, on 10/11/2009, -2/+36"they want the right to marry someone"
That "someone" is a human, therefore they should be allowed to marry the same way heterosexuals do. - AutomaticTLC, on 10/11/2009, -5/+37***** you.
- inactive, on 10/11/2009, -6/+38Argumentum ad hominem.
Guess you shoulda went to college instead. - dsmith5237, on 10/11/2009, -2/+34"2. Hurts unit cohesion sorry but if everyone doesn't want the gay guy to be there he may as well not be in the unit."
Go back a few decades and replace "gay" with "black" or "asian" or whatever else... It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
Our men and women in the military fight for freedom for all Americans, not to keep up their own prejudices. - TrevorBelmont, on 10/11/2009, -4/+36Or, in other words, you feel threatened by gay people.
- lukak, on 10/11/2009, -0/+31I'm on the "I don't care what you're doing any more than you care what I'm doing" side. You know, the side you're on when you're talking to any other person.
This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by bible bashers and the like. I have a lot of gay friends, and in no way does it define the entirety of their personality. At least, not in any other way to which my sexuality defines me. - sierrabravo, on 10/11/2009, -7/+38what ever happened to protection from discrimination of any kind? the military is exempt from that law? Oh right, they make their own laws...
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2009, -1/+32You're the only one hurting unit cohesion.
- jhbarr, on 10/11/2009, -7/+38They're not interested in you. They're interested in doing their jobs. What feelings you are suppressing is another story.
- kashk5, on 10/11/2009, -3/+33Neither is being gay and anybody who tells you otherwise is lying
- mushoo, on 10/11/2009, -4/+32Sure it it is, just like you have the right to be an annoying ***** that makes everyone uncomfortable when you express your ignorant *****. We all have to share this earth, atmosphere, and bandwidth with you and we're mature enough to put up with you even though you would not afford the same cordiality to some of us.
- jhbarr, on 10/11/2009, -3/+30Third date with my wife was San Diego Pride parade. Met friends with their kids. It's not that your gay, it's that you are a bigot. You and members of the military have no right to being comfortable, but gay citizens do have the right to be treated as equal citizens.
- Ford_Prefect2nd, on 10/11/2009, -5/+32@TypicalDiggeral - People not being comfortable with something is not a good enough reason to allow discrimination.
"It's a fact"? can you site your source then?
Some people don't feel comfortable showering with anyone. Some people don't feel comfortable holding guns, maybe we should ban them from the military too. It's the military, suck it up. - diskoh, on 10/11/2009, -4/+31There is no right to feel comfortable around everyone, either. If a military member is uncomfortable, they can grow the ***** up and do their job.
- Vertex01, on 10/11/2009, -0/+27That would be the "Don't Ask" part.
- Yatata, on 10/11/2009, -2/+28you know what hurts unit cohesion? Bigots.
Maybe they should just have a no bigot policy.
besides, you're not born a bigot, it's a lifestyle choice. - diskoh, on 10/11/2009, -2/+28Would you favor a ban on straight soldiers from mentioning their girlfriends? On penalty of being kicked out? After all, they shouldn't go flaunting their sexual preference.
A ban on wedding rings should also be implemented, right? -
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