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North Korea's nuclear test a failure: CIA report
reuters.com — North Korea's nuclear test last October was a failure and gives no credence to Pyongyang's claim to being a nuclear weapons state, U.S. CIA Director Michael Hayden was quoted as saying by a South Korean newspaper on Wednesday.
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- drouk1556, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Honestly though, was the CIA expecting otherwise?
- imperium2000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15They still have a pretty effective dirty bomb.
- quomen, on 10/12/2007, -16/+9I've learned to stop believing the CIA for a while now..
They are trying to cover up the ramifications that are a result of the Bush Administration's horrible policy/diplomacy with the North Korean government.
He has failed utterly and the CIA is trying to downplay the imminent threat of North Korea to the rest of Asia and possibly America. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15What do you mean.. it's not just the CIA who has said it was a failure, the intelligence agencies were saying this back when it happened. This just makes it an official statement.
It only produced a 0.5KT explosion, that would be an incredibly weak nuclear weapon. More likely, the TNT they probably used in the atom bomb exploded but it didn't cause a successful nuclear chain reaction, so it's basically useless. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ quomen
If the CIA was going to lie here, wouldnt they want to lie in the favor of it being a full nuclear test, cause you know, thats they they exist, to gain intelligence on foreign threats??? Because someone or something messes up, it does not mean that you should not trust it for the rest of time.
@ mrassman
Either that, or they used ONLY TNT to try and prove to the foreign community that they had a nuclear weapon, and messed it up royally. Either way, it wasn't a nuclear explosion. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Ignore N. Korea! Focus on Iran!
They got more oil anyways...
Doesn't it seem like they are trying hard to not mess with N. Korea (who has blatantly flipped us off with nuclear developement, and long range rocket developement) but they spent so much energy on trying to pin Saddam with WMD even though he always denied he had them. - oxdeltaxo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3@quomen
I agree with you this sounds like propaganda. - Wacer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you ever get a chance to look at the seismic data that compares India's and Pakistan's to the North Koreans and it Korea's doesn't even look like a nuclear explosion. I know their bomb was a lot smaller but it still didn't fit the pattern of one. I think the story is true.
- 3tcp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4N Korea is not as big a threat as the media would have everyone believe. Bush was an idiot to include them in his 'axis of evil', his speech writer just needed to find a 3rd country so it could be compared to ww2.
If any of the oppressive totalitarian dictators could be trusted with a nuclear weapon it would be Kim Jong Il. The guy has an inferiority complex, is ferociously isolationist and is fairly predictable. He has no interest in being a 'regional power' or exerting his influence over any other country, only to make enough noise for the rest of the world to feel sorry for his starving people and give him more aid to stfu. His primary foreign relations objectives are for everyone to stfu and leave him alone with an interest in reuniting with S Korea... just not on S Korea's terms.
That's no reason to let him have nukes though. My point is to compare him to Iran which doesn't share any of these characteristics with Kim Jong Il. Iran does seek to influence world politics, they actively seek out the role of nemisis of the west and embrace countries that will join them (Venezuela). They have and continue to support attacks against those they disagree with through terrorism. They're driven by an ideological cause that encourages martyrdom so mutually-assured-destruction is not a deterrent for them. They have stated their willingness to completely destroy a country that is within their missile range and is an ally of the US.
Of course the US would respond to N Korean nuclear ambitions with food and Iranian nuclear ambitions with threats. It's called diplomacy, examine the other party and determine the best combination of carrot & stick for that particular country. - H080J03, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@3ctp
you bring up a really good point - ChumpChief, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As if I feel much better that North Korea only really really wants a functioning nuke.
Iran: MIGHT be trying to build nuclear weapons
N. Korea: DEFINITELY trying to build nuclear weapons, and may or may not have already done so successfully. - bidness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1North Korea's test was either a fake or a dud (fissled). The world needs to acknowlage that so that Kim Jong Il will get embarressed and kill all his scientists and have to start from ground zero.
- snowbooch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2this article kinda sucks...a more detailed analysis would have been nice
- populist, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6the media doesn't give details. just BELIEVE IT! it's what the CIA says, right? who are we to question their godly wisdom??
reuters, to me, is more like a government press-release service than a news agency.
- populist, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6the media doesn't give details. just BELIEVE IT! it's what the CIA says, right? who are we to question their godly wisdom??
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10Same CIA that said Iraq had WMD and turned out to be fabricated
I'm surprised anyone will believe them- fourcylthrill, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5Wish I could digg you up more than +1
- Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17@Osjpr
Ummm.... All intelligence agencies said Saddam had WMDs. The CIA was just one of many. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Those intelligence agencies lifted their evidence from CIA sources. The CIA released made available their fabricated "evidence". Nevertheless, you admit the CIA was one and prove my point. Why does anyone believe them?
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4No. Actually what happened was the the CIA and the rest of the intelligence community had a bunch of answer, the vast majority was against Saddam having WMD. The Bush administration filtered out all the reports that were unfavorable to its agenda. Wonder why the Valeria Plame[sp?] scandal got started? That was Bush/Cheney's retaliation for someone not going with their agenda and actually trying to find out the truth.
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Comatose51
Exactly, most intelligence agencies had evidence supporting both claims, but they agreed Hussein was not a threat. Only intelligence supporting the claims of the Bush was submitted to the UN and the US Congress as proof. No contradictory intelligence was allowed.
Plame was outed because her husband went on record saying there was no evidence to support the Bush claim that Hussein was trying to acquire yellow cake from Niger, and that Bush was blowing Iraq out of proportion to justify the invasion. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And if you look at the key pieces of evidence, you will find copies of them (probably even word for word) in every notable intelligence report from international agencies.
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"@Osjpr
Ummm.... All intelligence agencies said Saddam had WMDs. The CIA was just one of many."
@Daedalus17
Name a few of them please and show me that any of them were right. they must be stupid to think that after their full scale invasion proved it wrong.
- lakush, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Regardless, EVERYBODY PANIC
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2IT'S A COOKBOOK!
- mt066, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Rabble! Rabblerabblerabblerabble!
- fatfinger, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Two words. "Yellow cake"
- Soldan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3mmmm yellow cake with chocolate icing...tasty...
our government is only 56% trustworthy.....so you decide.- yzhang3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I guess Pyongyang can have their yellowcake and eat it too.
- richlizard24, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Wow, shocking, North Korea telling lies. Did anyone not see this coming?
- Osbourne, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1I believe it but the CiA sucks and needs to die.
- Kodiferous, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Only a matter of time before Kim Jong Il tries some other crazy stunt...he's pretty ronery...
- lemon67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Lol, so what if it was a failure, I love this: "North Korea's nuclear test last October was a failure and gives no credence to Pyongyang's claim to being a nuclear weapons state" ok, so their October test was a failure and, the point that they have reached a stage in development where they feel that they can even test be it a failed test or not is the thing lol, the CIA is dumb.
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it might not have even been a nuke. blow something big up and tell everyone it was a nuke, it's great posturing
- zxof, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1this is usually the part when people start screaming - Sylar
- bcbrin20, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4thanks alot CIA...6 months later..id gladly take a 6 month tax extension...
- abcdefghij, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4face it,
no matter what kind of news it is, especially when it's issued by the Govt, most news about N.Korea, Iran, and Iraq are designed to spread
MORE FUD
..whether you know it or not, whether the news agencies know it or not - SicKiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The only successful nuke test they could pull off would be the one which results in their own destruction... now that would be a failure to read about!
- BamaStangGuy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1The next nuclear test will be 911 times 2356.
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If I didn't know better, I'd say that Koreans must be bad at math or something.
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2so are you saying it was actually a real nuke that worked great but they were too stupid to figure it out?
- caponumen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is not news.
The seismographic results where released the day after.
It was clear this was no nuke.....- lpferris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, but the American people were led to believe that it was. Just one more way to justify taking away our civil liberties in favor of "security."
- ascolti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Send in Team America.
- ascolti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also, I seem to remember a lot of talk about it not being nuclear and just being a really large pile of high explosive. Only the Russians who were closer said it was nuclear... like they wouldn't have outside motive. :-)
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