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No to extremism: Tens of thousands protest in Pakistan

news.bbc.co.uk — Tens of thousands of people have protested in the Pakistani city of Karachi against a radical mosque and its religious schools in Islamabad. "Islam is a religion of peace and there is no place in it for using force or terrorism." Includes video.

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  • pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -28/+105yet another example of moderate muslims protesting the extreme. yet the islamophoes will still keep asking "if there are moderates, why don't they stand up?" despite evidence like this.
    • Bladeva, on 10/12/2007, -51/+12Did you read the article at all? srsly...
    • PsychoticClown, on 10/12/2007, -25/+37This is just one of many such incidents. It takes something this big though to force the US media to concede and finally (and bitterly) publish the story, even though it goes against their standards of Islamophobia.

      Somehow, Admiral Adama (the Obsessive Digg Islamophobe) is searching for a story to discredit this, or maybe even claim it's a protest calling to kill Americans, etc.
    • Sithlrd, on 10/12/2007, -18/+52This is the first evidence I've seen in a long while. No, I don't count talking heads from university or the Muslim Anti-defamation League or whatever the organizations are, and neither should anyone else.

      If more real life Muslims would do this, then the world join with them to stamp out radical elements.

      Radicals (of every ilk) everywhere: take note.
    • karlyguy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19@Bladeva - what article is there to read? the whole thing is little more than a paragraph. still, in that short report its pretty clear there are many muslims protesting the extreme, pintomp3 is right.
    • starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35Nice to see. This is one of the first times I have heard of a moderate protest against extremism in a muslim country. 10 thousand is an amazing turnout as well.
    • rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -14/+29@pintomp3,
      quote:
      yet another example...

      maybe you could point out the other examples you mention, about massive protests like this one?
    • jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -8/+36Its good to see moderate muslims finally starting to stand up about something.
    • dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -18/+10Wait a minute, why isn't this coming from Little green footballs?!
    • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -46/+15Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim. A "moderate" is simply someone who does not wish to follow Islam properly, and hence is not a Muslim and under Islamic law must be "invited back to Islam" and then killed if they do not comply. The nature of Islam is that it cannot be changed and therefore it cannot undergo a reformation like Christianity or Judaism.

      These protesters are very brave, as they will know that every real Muslim now wants them dead. But I hope these protesters succeed. The survival of the human race as we know it depends on people becoming aducated and honest with themselves enough to leave Islam.
    • Jeremy78703, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37Urban Pakistan has always been enlightened and moderate. What this protest shows is the moderates aren't intimidated by the far right in their country. Like the US's equivalent of rednecks, rural Pakistanis tend to be more fundamentalist and violent, and have intimidated the center and left majority.

      But let's not kid ourselves... beyond Pakistan there are significant, powerful, rich nutjob Islamists ruling Saudi Arabia and Iran who want to create a world ruled by Sharia law. These guys believe THEY can decide who is and is not a real Muslim and you can bet they've written off urban Pakistan the same way they wrote off Egypt's government in the 70's (and ultimately assassinated its prime minister, Anwar Sadat, which was led by none other than Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama's bin Laden's #2).

      To make a comparison to the US civil rights struggle, where we are NOW in the middle east is like where the US was in Reconstruction. It's gonna be a long road...
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12Good for them and good for us. I've never said there aren't moderate, non-violent Muslims.

      But this does NOTHING to lessen the evils of Osama, Saddam, and all the rest of the dictators in the Middle East. And this does NOTHING to disprove that the root cause of the extremism is the notion of submission in Islam.
    • cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36@funkmachine: Those ARE the real muslims; would you call these people real christians? http://www.godhatesfags.com/
    • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -26/+10@cmiller1

      If you're attempting to compare Christianity and Islam then you're wasting your time. They are entirely different, even though I'm sure you know that part of Islam was plagiarised from Christianity for the obvious reason.

      Go and read the Qur'an and you'll see what Islam is.
    • starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32@PsychoticClown and @pintomp3

      Please stop saying this happens all the time. I follow current events and news pretty well. This is definitely one of the few protests of its kind and size. I wish there were more.
    • caled, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"It takes something this big though to force the US media to concede and finally (and bitterly) publish the story"

      Funny, looks like the BBC website to me....
    • shackleton1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21If you haven't seen a demonstration like this in a long time then you quite patently *aren't* paying attention to the news.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18106513/

      This enormous rally in Turkey took place just a few days ago.

    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -16/+13People, shut up. You don't care about what is happening with a mosque in Karachi, Pakistan. You care about Muslims only because of you worry, either overtly or covertly, about your own safety. MY point is, how do you know that if someone started chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA" that BOTH sides of the argument wouldn't join in on it. It's blatantly clear that Muslims fight violently amongst themselves, and America provides that outside evil force that allows them to unite for a while under a common cause.
      I think it's really stupid that people find it surprising that Muslims are fighting to not be forced back into the damn stone age by religious leaders. Nowhere though, was there mention of protesting the intolerance and hatred of the West in this article. THAT is what we really want to see, and there was none of that here. That first comment that got dugg up, is retarded. This is people fighting for their freedom in their own town and has nothing to do with the greater struggle on the world stage.
    • starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3@shackleton1

      I guess I don't count already democratic countries like Turkey.
    • shackleton1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17That's so asanine. They're muslims. But because they are democratic, somehow they don't count as muslims? Next you'll be telling me that no muslims speak out against terror because, by definition, any muslim who speaks out against terror somehow magically doesn't count as a muslim
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Jeremy
      beyond Pakistan there are significant, powerful, rich nutjob Islamists ruling Saudi Arabia and Iran who want to create a world ruled by Sharia law.

      That just can't be right. The rich and powerful can't stay rich in societies where luxuries are so severely limited, and they have no aim other than to increase their power. This is the damn problem that nobody on this site EVER seems to notice regarding both America with it's supposed evangelical nutjobs and the middle east with its Islamic fundamentalists. THE NUTJOBS ARE PAWNS. All of this religious strife and battling ***** is part of a long con on the part of those rich and powerful people so that everyone thinks religious extremism is the real enemy when in actuality, the rich are Wagging the Dog. **Rich and powerful is everything that religion speaks AGAINST.** Therefore, the rich and powerful behind the scenes can in no way be truly fundamentalist, but they CAN fake the part in order to foster war.
    • ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"If you're attempting to compare Christianity and Islam then you're wasting your time. They are entirely different, even though I'm sure you know that part of Islam was plagiarised from Christianity for the obvious reason."

      You mean like Christians plagiarised the Jews? Seriously, both religions have rather vulgar things in their texts. That does not mean that the overall message of either Christianity OR Islam is violent. Both have overarching themes of peace.

      It is the sophist zealots that cannot help but take every word literally, cannot see that religion has always been influenced by politics, and that divine or not religions have been affected by people all along - and it is people that do bad things.

      It is your narrow view that creates things like terrorism in the first place.
    • starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@shackleton1
      Its not that they don't count. Its that I'm not as worried about democratic countries as I am about dictatorships. We don't see as many terrorists coming out of Turkey.

      I guess i'll clarify. We don't see moderate against extremists protests like this in dictatorships in the middle east.

      We of course see protests like this in democratic countries.
    • shackleton1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Eh! That's sort of fair enough.
    • metric7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@ cmiller

      The godhatesfags people are one family of maybe 20 people tops. There are millions of radical muslims.
    • shackleton1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19There are millions of Christians who hate gay people.

      You sort of walked into that :)
    • ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"The godhatesfags people are one family of maybe 20 people tops. There are millions of radical muslims."

      Pickup a history book. There have been millions of radical Christians too, and if you don't believe me you're a witch - burn him!
    • starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Yeah no radical atheists though. Stalin, Mao, a couple of the worst.
    • Cerialthriller, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@starcrunch

      how can one radically follow nothing?!?
    • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Starcrunch, while those people you list, did profess to be aethist, they did not kill IN THE NAME of aethism. Stalin was never reluctant to say he was getting rid of his enemies. Comparing a radical who kills in the name of "god" is not the same as saying this nutjob who killed thousands was an aethist. There is a difference.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"rich nutjob Islamists ruling Saudi Arabia and Iran who want to create a world ruled by Sharia law."

      Having lived in Saudi Arabia, people don't really like the monarchy. They really hate the muttawas (essentially a religious police). The only reason the muttawas have any power is because of the royal monarchy. The only reason the monarchy has power is ... because of the US.

      The reform-minded Saudi King, King Faisal, was assassinated by one of his cousins. It isn't a black and white thing here. Still, Saudi Arabia has come a *long* way in the last 15 years. When I was last there (2000) I even saw men and women holding hands, something you would never have seen five years previously. It takes time. It just takes longer when the monarchy is propped up by an external army.

      As a military force, Saudi Arabia is incredibly weak. It has much bigger problems (ie weaning the economy off of oil) to even think of exporting their law to other countries.

      As for Iran ... the last time they did have a democratically elected government, it just happened to be socialist. This was against what the Americans wanted so ... they financed the coup, thereby taking a democratic government and converting it into a nice American-supporting puppet government. Of course the Iranians are pissed off at the US.

      The Muslim countries are going through exactly what the US is going through - religions right-wingers (tending to hail from rural areas) are trying to impose their beliefs on everyone. The difference is that while urban centers in Muslim countries are quite educated (and thus tolerant), the vast majority of people leave in the rural areas. And after years of being ***** around with the US ... well, you can see what has happened.
    • nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Now I said this before ...

      Given a fair choice, muslim majority democracies do not elect extremist islamic whackos into power.

      Examples in the last 25 years: Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia (that's already the world's majority of muslims). Let me also add that those countries have elected women into power. And further, those women didn't even wearislamic headdress until campaigning around their election time (for example google for old pictures of pakistan's for prime minister Benazir Bhutto). I've never seen Indonesia's former prime minister Megawati Sukarnoputri ever wear one.

      Also, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Indonesia have NEVER elected their islamic parties to majority or even above 10%.


      People don't like to be told what to do by religous whackos. It's annoying .. do this, do that. Religious whackos are never satisfied so who's the fool to elect them?? Well besides Iran/palestinian territory with their unfair elections.

    • jsmith39, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0@pintomp3
      Actually when I read the article I thought well that's a good start I hope it works. Not, 'why don't they stand up'. I wouldn't consider myself an islamaphobe unless you mean someone who has a fear of Islamics blowing up buildings, theaters and bus terminals to advance their religions of peace. Fortunately that ***** never happens.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@jsmith39 - well considering white people excel at white-collar crimes (robbing people of their livelyhood) and black people seem to kill people (again robbing people of their livelyhood), I guess you are phobic of those two races too?

      Generalizations for the win!
    • aamer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As a Pakistani, I welcome these kinds of protests. But, I find it ironic that a man like Altaf Hussain (whose supporters are leading this protest) would be held up as a "moderate" person. He has murder charges against him and lives outside of the country; and has been known for controversial, borderline racist comments against anyone who opposes him.

      Yes, the media does portray Muslims badly and there are plenty of moderate Muslims; but I just want to point out that there is some irony in this particular instance and it's not as black-white of a situation as it may appear.
    • aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Karachi is a relatively liberal city, by the Middle East's standards. It's the center of Pakistan's commerce industry. However, this is nonetheless a good sign, and I only hope it'll spread.
  • perplexus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@Bladeva:

    Did *you*?
  • synapticcleft, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I think this is great. It is about time that moderate muslims defended their religion from the zealots.
    • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I second that!!! We definitely need more moderate muslims taking responsibility for the sake of their own religion.
  • caution, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Good to hear. Let's hope they go through a quick reform soon.
  • demondg1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Bravo peace loving people of Pakistan. Bravo.
  • hagbard72, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2Wimps.
  • SavageBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -27/+3Islam the religion of peace? Dugg as inaccurate.
  • Namrok, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7I wonder how many of them will survive. Moderates in Islam have a very short shelf life. I give the most outspoken critics a week, tops.
    • captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Thank you mr. nobody for your expert opinion.
    • algo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1hah, that made me laugh. radical muslims bomb radical MQM supporters. honestly they'd have no trouble bombing them right back. read up on the MQM and this whole story will seem topsy turvy.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Seems like this one has lasted a LONG while then:

      Irshad Manji: http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

      Take your hate elsewhere.
  • cliffyboro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14This is nice to see. I wonder if people will see this and not stereotype all islamic people as terrorists.
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Would it be correct to say that most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims?
    • shackleton1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Not really. I think it would probably be technically true if you were to take a limited timeframe; say, the past year. But even then I wouldn't say such a thing. The implication is that terrorism committed by non-muslims is insignificant, limited to just a few oddball cases, whereas the truth is that there are significant non-muslim terrorist organisations scattered all across the globe. And it further implies support for racist theories in which muslims are somehow predisposed towards terrorism.
    • pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13sid0: no, ever heard of the tamil tigers? they perform more acts of terror than any other group.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Tamil Tigers are some of the most insane people I have ever come across (yep, come across).

      After all, they did ram a plane back into the airport way before 9/11.
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Of course I've heard of the Tamil Tigers. However, with the bombs exploding everyday in Iraq, I will dispute your point that they commit the most terrorist attacks.

      @shackleton1: Oh yes, I am saying that Islam is more predisposed towards terrorism than any other religion.
    • Zanwar000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@sid0

      No. I remember in the 80s and 90s whenever a terrorist was mentioned in a movie or such they were often presumed to be, and were, Russian. The focus is on Muslim extremism right now and thats how "Most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims" is now heard.

      The Afghan Mujahadeen were called freedom fighters in the media and by Nixon when they fought Soviet Russia, but terrorists when they fight a regime they see a foreign threat; which happens to be the US.
  • LeberMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Outstanding. We need more news like this to be broadcast in the US.
  • mizraabianz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Well this is the first time western media reporting something like this. I am from Pakistan and we always condemned extremists but western media never pick on that since it doesn't come as a hot story for them. Anyone who is interested looking at a different side of Pakistan or i should say real Pakistan should watch these 2 videos of Mark Levine interviewed by Pakistani VJ.

    Mark Levine - The Musik Rock On With Faraz Part 1:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDRvRTnGisQ

    Mark Levine - The Musik Rock On With Faraz Part 2:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae7qx-N_sls
    • SavageBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4@mizraabianz "I am from Pakistan and we always condemned extremists "

      I'm calling *****. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pakistan+extremists
    • Easty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Yeah, you showed him. How you gonna beat Google, tough guy? Huh?
    • ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4uhm ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghandi

      I believe wikipedia trumps google in this case.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Gandhi feared that instability and insecurity in Pakistan would increase their anger against India, and violence would spread across the borders."

      Such a smart man - he knew back then that you treat the source, not the 'problem'
    • SavageBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@thephilomath

      And he wasn't a muslim

      The other religions he claimed cancelled out the whole bomber-boy/johnny-jihad teachings.
    • SilverBack101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yet, Ghandi was the one who got assassinated by his a Sikh extremist.
  • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2I would suggest that the Pakistanis who are effectively ex-Muslim should be a little more aggressive and rid their country of the true Muslims, the violent jihadis and their sympathisers and enablers.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Cut spouting your ignorant crap, for f*cks sake. All you are proving here is that you really have no idea of the world outside your own little bubble of hate.

      You are doing as much to perpetuate evil as the Muslim extremists, because YOU are an extremist yourself.
      • comet786, on 01/29/2008, -1/+0You said what I was about to say...
    • algo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5the thing i like about you funkmachine and your friends at jihadwatch and little green balls is: you guys care more about islam than most muslims do.

      you're always discussing whether we should wee sitting or standing, what direction we should face, what we should eat for dinner, if it's halal or not and on and on and on and you guys never get tired of it!

      do you aim to discuss islam five times a day? do you wake up every morning and recite, 'there is no peacfull allah in islam and his prophet muhammed is just as bad'?

      really, i'd like to know.
  • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Oh, and Allah knows best, is the most merciful, etc.
  • ursulaverghese, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Abdul Aziz is one of the worst Islamic conservatives ever, but the protestors (Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Altaf or MQM-A) are no saints either. Their protest against Abdul Aziz and other Islamic fundamentalists is just a political stunt.

    MQM-A has largely adopted peaceful means of protest now, but it has had a violent history:
    http://www.milnet.com/Pakistan-Mil-Jihad.html
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41743.htm

    It has been widely accused of human rights abuses since its founding two decades ago:
    http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/home/opendoc.htm?tbl=RSDCOI&page=research&id=414fe5aa4 (UNHCR)

    The other offshoot of MQM, Mohajir Qami Movement-Haqiqi (MQM-H) is also known to support terrorist activities:
    http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=4507 (MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base)
    • spoiled1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8IRA changed too, whats your point again?
    • penumbra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Looking at points in the second article, they seem to point to the fact that the MQM is known to have divorced itself from its more militant wing. Of course there's no guarantee that this is authentic, but it is in keeping with the fact that, in any mob, there are a number of opinions. Hence very few protests go off without violence, regardless of the violent or non-violent intentions of much of the group.

      In short, your facts are supported by your sources, but your conclusion isn't. The protests may be a political stunt, but more likely they are simply the new expression of the group's intentions--peaceful protest.

      In any case, it serves as an example of peaceful protest for others to look at and recognise--a hopefully successful one.
  • TheGreat1, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Every religion has its extremist side, it just depends upon which religion is being focused the most in todays's western media. What we as responsible citizens need to do is to think out side of the box. The problem is that we are too busy with our life and don't spend enough time to think about the current world's situation. There's a lot more going on in the world at this point than what it seems.
    THINK OUT SIDE OF THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Targeting Islam as an extremist religion is not fair and just. Christians and Jews played their full as far as religious extremism goes. After all i need not to remind everyone about the crusaders and killing of Jesus...(He is not dead by the way)

    Now to all the right wingers in the comment section: I am not encouraging religious extremism in any way here. I think instead of using force, a civilized argument can solve so many things in this world. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS TO HAVE A DIALOG WITH EACH OTHER AND SOLVE ALL OF OUR ISSUES THAT WAY...

    GOD WILLING THERE WILL BE A TIME ON THIS GREAT WORLD OF OURS WHEN WE WILL GET ALONG IN PEACE AND WILL LOVE EACH OTHER...

    AAMEEN
    • ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I generally agree with you. But using caps lock makes it seem like you're shouting at me that we need a dialogue, which is kinda funny.
    • twisterrust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sorry Buddy, I see your Point but this is of no use here on Digg; Majority of Digg users don’t know history more then 10-15 years back... I meant History not that who was a famous singer 15 years ago.....
      Just so you all know I use to be a Muslim and now an Atheist, Pakistani descend. that being said, I know all about Islam and Pakistan culture, I grew up with that culture in that Religion ... I a lot of comments that I see here that abuse Islam, are senseless and reflective of personal perception rather then rational thoughts. Trust me, there is so much in Religion that you can make fun of but Extremism is not one of them, coz it is a common characteristics, if you compare Extremism with Islam that means you don’t know the history of any other Religion. try educating your self.
      To make fun of Islam on this basis to me is same as saying that your spaghetti god is stupider then mine. Every Religion has its Fair share of Extremism, only there was no TV and Internet at that time ( or I should say Digg or Stupid Blogs so that we could gain all our knowledge from there )
      Pakistan is a third world county and on its way to fight issues like these, the literacy rate there is 23% (last time I checked) so majority of folks there would simply believe what everybody else believe, let this % go up a little bit, I say give it some time and don’t forget it took USA to get out of this ***** more then 100 years(estimating). Pakistan is younger then that.
  • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Though I like the fact that more people are protesting against this kind of stuff, I don't trust the MQM at ALL. The MQM used to terrorize the city of Karachi when it was running rampant. Robberies would occur regularly and they would murder you or threaten you if you spoke against them.

    I am a Pakistani though I did not live in Pakistan during MQM's terror. I had (have) lots of family there though and they told me lots of horrid stories about them. An uncle of mine spoke out against them in a public meeting of his local area, and in just a few days my aunt started receiving threatening phone calls at work! Their kids used to come home to their apartment to find messages spray-painted on their doors: "JIYE ALTAF HUSSAIN" (Long-live Altaf Hussain). It really was a terrible time, but thankfully Altaf has been driven out (he was calling from London as you can see). and for the most part MQM is "dead"...though they are kind of making a comeback as "good" people I guess.
    • spoiled1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4After reading your comment, I can safely assume you never lived in city of Karachi and that would make you a "non-mohajir".
    • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, I haven't lived in Karachi for long periods...I can't really comment on what the situation was/is there, but I do have family there.
    • twisterrust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ spoiled1
      OK, " that make you a non-muhajir" what does that even mean, do you even have a point? FYI he is spot on, every thing he said is right and True and I used to live in Karachi and I am a Muhajir ( if that's what you wanna use)
      Please elaborate what's your point??
  • mizraabianz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3and since were on topic involving Pakistan, i should mention that we have great rock/metal scene going on as well, anyone interested in it should follow this link to download entire album of a Pakistan metal band called DUSK (english) and MIRAAB (urdu - Pakistan national language)

    http://mizraabianz.com/dusk/ - Dusk Album
    http://mizraabianz.com/jam/ - Mizraab Live Jam

    (hopefully it won't shut down due to digg effect))
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I second that. My cousins got me to listen to some the the underground indie/rock coming out of Pakistan and what I've heard has made me a huge fan. Also, I like how Pakistan rock infuses philosophy and poetry into rock music.
  • quine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"We're not going to protest... We're not going to protest.... We're NOT going to protest... ...Gutter is a tool..."
  • rlh1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Since the western media is called "Islamophobes" when they talk about radical Islam and terrorism.... should these people also be considered Islamophobes ? Or are they realists?
    • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Shhhhhh. You'll get called an Islamophobe/ racist/ bigot with honest talk like that.
    • ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Does thinking the crusades were barbaric make me anti-christian? No.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Um, I think the people getting called Islamophobes where condemning all Islam as evil, not just the extremists
    • h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@cartoonal: No, around here on Digg, there seems to be a cabal of diggers that think *any* criticism of Islam's role in terrorism is islamophobia.

      No one rational is saying that ALL of islam is terroristic.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here that, funkmachine? Even h00paj00 is calling you and AdmiralAdama irrational...
    • Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In all fairness, here is a quote from Adama.
      ---
      *one dude's user name*, please explain your statement. There are many "innocent Muslims". To tar all Muslims like this, I believe is not only wrong but also foolhardy since we will need the help of anti-Jihadist Muslims in the fight against the Islamists.
      ---

      Don't get me wrong here, I just buried a bunch of his articles. It's just that he's far from the worst right-wing wacko on digg. =P
  • KDX200rider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4My hats off to these people. I hope we (the west) are reaching out to people like this to help eliminate a common enemy.
  • sub1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Smile for the cameras boys.
  • unsolicited, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The root of all evils in the world is
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism
  • hashref, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I think there is one simple fact that is being overlooked here; no numbers of protesters were given. How big is this group and how many from this group actually protested? It's true that the group has a violent past and, yes, it seems to have divorced itself from its more militant wing and toned down its hand at the violence. People can change. I agree. But does this constitute a significant "moderate Muslim protest"? I am really skeptical.
  • harshalx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Islam is a religion of satan ! :-)
    • twisterrust, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As far as i know, each Religion exist becoz GOD has a "bet" with Satan :)
    • Samus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hard to believe, but twisters right, its in the Quran, chapter 51 iirc
  • Krayzie_Bone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice to see. I wish we could see more of this in Deerborn.
  • bernieg1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I tried to use the "Blog It" button but it's not working for me. I have added some additional material in my post: Pakistani Cleric: Institute Sharia or Face our Shahideen
    http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2007/04/pakistani_cleric_ins.html

    This is what happens when you give Arabs money for their oil, they spend it on making the world one big Caliphate. Perhaps the War on Terror should really be about oil, which it is not now. If it was about oil we would take it and not let them use our money to finance the destruction of the western world.


  • Newlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Heroes!

    Dugg!
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