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No ID Lands You on Security Watch List

abcnews.go.com — The Transportation Security Administration has collected records on thousands of passengers who went to airport checkpoints without identification,adding them to a database of people who violated security laws or were questioned for suspicious behavior.TSA will stop keeping records of people who don't have ID if a screener can determine their ID.

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  • RapnGranny, on 08/14/2008, -1/+63Ya, this is reeeeeal smart. If they really are up to no good, they would have bought the ticket under a false name - hence the reason for not bringing their ID. So the only valid names to track on this watchlist are absent-minded Americans. Very dangerous indeed. US Intelligence rocks!!!!
  • Sonan, on 08/14/2008, -4/+11Probably one of those "it seemed like a good idea at the time" knee-jerk reactions. Glad to see they're doing away with it though.
    • RyeBrye, on 08/14/2008, -0/+8They aren't doing away with it. Read the article.
    • mikelieman, on 08/15/2008, -0/+6Those database records are NEVER getting deleted.
    • Sonan, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2Apologies, but I misinterpreted the line "The names of people who did not have identification will soon be expunged, he said." to mean all names, not just the ones that were eventually verified. Not sure how they will go back and determine that after the fact.
  • Dalhectar, on 08/14/2008, -0/+19"Such a database helps the TSA spot patterns of activity that may indicate terrorist planning and refer people to the FBI for possible questioning. "It's just like if a police officer chats to somebody. It's part of the investigative process," Hawley said."

    I'd really hate to be the FBI anti-terrorist expert who ends up spend their day tracking down people who forgot their IDs at home. Imagine what else you could be doing... like finding terrorists or solving crimes... But you're on track down the person who forgot their ID duty today.
    • ufia, on 08/14/2008, -1/+7Wait till you see the database of people who missed their flight because they forgot their plane tickets at home. What is this, a police state?
      • emkaysmith, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6I think you already know the answer to that.

        The next step, pretty obviously, is a presidential proclamation requiring everyone to carry an Official ID at all times. For their own good.
      • ZzFDKzZ, on 08/15/2008, -1/+1Actually here in NYC you can get arrested if you have no ID at all on you. Happen to my friend who was coming back from the gym.
    • RossDuprey, on 08/15/2008, -0/+4job security rocks
  • dha07030, on 08/14/2008, -6/+12Maybe not a watch list but I would put them on the ***** stupid list.
    • Spire3660, on 08/14/2008, -3/+10The only thing stupid is a government requirement to show ID before boarding on commercial flights within the US.
      • jerrycurley, on 08/15/2008, -2/+2why is that stupid? Seriously...why is that stupid?
      • Spire3660, on 08/15/2008, -1/+2Why does it matter who I am when taking mass transport? Whats the point of showing my ID? Security theater.
  • Archaic1, on 08/14/2008, -1/+26So what's stopping the people without ID giving a fake name in the first place?
    • SkippyDoorknob, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5They quiz you, no joke. They look up the name you give them from some mysterious place and question you about previous addresses and other various stuff to try and determine that you really are the person you told them you are.
      • TheMachine1, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6And get you to repeat it till you screw it up.
  • LibbyDiggy, on 08/14/2008, -10/+5Coming Soon: Your Real ID

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCSIECh47Ww

    http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Coming_Soon_Our_ ...

    Digg it!!!!!!!!!!
    • jerrycurley, on 08/15/2008, -2/+1coming soon...unlimited tin foil.

      Digg it!
  • Stevo23, on 08/14/2008, -0/+17Little known fact, you actually CAN fly without ID. The TSA rules require airlines to ask for ID, but they don't actually require that you have ID to fly. Usually they will just flip out and make you undergo extra security screening. In any case, those were the rules as of a few years ago (but post-9/11): http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2002/0 ...
    • RyeBrye, on 08/14/2008, -0/+7in June they changed it so only nice terrorists can fly without ID.

      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080610-tsa- ...
    • PixelD, on 08/15/2008, -0/+4I used fly out of BWI often and there were times where their security would take an hour to get through. I would tell them I didn't have my ID (of course having it in my wallet) and they would send me to 'Special Security'. All they did was look through your carry-on and send you on your way. The whole process took less than 5 minutes.

      Did that for over a year with no problems.
      • kuzotz, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2exploiting loopholes.

        TSA in Atlanta is quite cool. They rush through it so people can get own with their lives.
      • ViktorVaughn, on 08/15/2008, -1/+1That's all well and good until you get a body cavity search.

        That's what happened to a friend of mine on the way home from Lollapalooza last week after he lost his wallet at the festival.

        I'm really curious to know what terrorist threat they were hoping to find in his ass.

        It's like the TSA is saying "You can smuggle whatever you can fit in your ass as long as you don't forget your ID."
  • BennyGreenberg, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3Question is: How did they get through with no ID??
    Regardless of the fact that those are the leaders of the stupid revolution or not
    • kf6zql, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4I've flown without ID many times. Just go to the ticket counter and tell them you are flying selectee. You will bypass the long security lines, get the basic patdown, and get to the plane faster than your ID carrying friends.
      • SouthsideIrish, on 08/15/2008, -0/+3I fly with an ID, I just won't give it to them, the TSA, but if the airline wants to see it, then no problem. They will do a special patdown and check you a little bit more, but as the previous poster said, you bypass most of the lines.
  • madeingermany, on 08/14/2008, -1/+13When will they ever learn that terrorists don't engage in suspicious activities (like trying to fly without ID)?

    It's ridiculously easy to get a fake ID. Work on that problem and stop collecting data on innocent people that forgot their ID at home.
    • woobyluv, on 08/15/2008, -1/+4Apparently, you don't get what the real objective is in adding people to a national database... They want to brand us and control us like sheep. Sadly, this will be a normal thing for most Americans because they refuse to stand up against the rising police state...
      • PopcornDave, on 08/15/2008, -1/+3No, it's going to be normal for your kids or at least the kids growing up now. They won't know the difference. Besides, it's not like schools teach civics much anymore.
      • kuzotz, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2oklahoma public schools still require civics.

        I remember not having to have ID back in the 90s when I flew a lot as a kid. on my own.
  • Qtip42, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3Good old western union tells my customers not to send me money because of my business or name is on a government list.
  • kent1146, on 08/14/2008, -0/+16So basically, I need papers at transportation checkpoints, or else I get monitored?
  • sexypeon, on 08/14/2008, -0/+25Guilty until proven innocent.
    • jerrycurley, on 08/15/2008, -2/+1Are they being thrown in jail? I must have missed that part.
  • Elderon, on 08/14/2008, -2/+16I carry my drivers license with me anyways, but my views are this. It is none of their business who I am. The only concern they should have is whether or not I have a weapon of any type that can harm the passengers. If I don't have anything considered a weapon then let me go on my way. My name is of no consequence
    • RyeBrye, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5True.
    • D3koy, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4What if you were a ninja, and you're hands were deadly weapons..they'd need your name to check if you were on that "can kill with hands alone" list...
      • D1ckFace, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5Well you just made the list for even "knowing" about ninjas!
    • centran, on 08/14/2008, -5/+3what happens if the plane crashs? How do they identify who was on the plane?
      What if you check-in, go wondering around the terminal and miss your gate time? That will usually pop up on their system and they will page that person. Or what if you miss the plane all together? Some airlines will get you on another flight but not if they don't know who you are.

      There are many good reasons for them to know who you are. Unfortunately, like most things in this world, it gets abused.
      • Elderon, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6That is my concern. If I want to be able to be identified Ill give them my ID or let loved ones know where I'm going and they can have a Dr look into the matter.. My privacy should not suddenly be null and void just because I died.
      • PopcornDave, on 08/15/2008, -1/+4"what happens if the plane crashs? How do they identify who was on the plane?"

        Uh, by the list of the people that bought tickets and checked in?
  • Skooma714, on 08/14/2008, -1/+15No, we don't live in a police state at all. You're a ***** tin foil hat maniac.

    I'm going to go wave a flag now from the bed of a pickup truck.
  • S5S5S5, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6".....the agency is changing its policy effective today and will stop keeping records of people who don't have ID if a screener can determine their identity."

    Dugg for infinite do-while loop.
  • LibbyDiggy, on 08/14/2008, -6/+6Run with Ron

    http://digg.com/political_opinion/2005_Ron_Paul_Th ...
  • chinchillin, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5If I'm supposed to have papers all the time, just pass a law or executive order or something. >:[
  • buddyw, on 08/14/2008, -1/+17Papers please.
  • D3koy, on 08/14/2008, -1/+7I recently boarded a plane in Sacramento and used my student ID to get on, at my layover in Vegas they made me go through security again, and they didn't accept my Student ID...If I hadn't had my passport on me I would have been *****...I just wish they would make a list of acceptable IDs and make everyone follow that list, if I can't use my Student ID everywhere, don't let me use it where I begin my journey.
    • madeingermany, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3I totally agree, if there were some consistency in the processes, it would be a lot easier.

      It's the same with baby food/water for baby bottles: One checkpoint it is all totally fine, as long as you say its for the baby. On the next one you have to taste some to prove its not dangerous. On the next they make you throw it out. All on the same voyage: Ridiculous!
    • sneedo, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3They have a list, it's just how competent the screener is of what's on that list.
    • mikelieman, on 08/15/2008, -2/+5That's INTENTIONAL. The lack of and/or competing 'Standards' used to determine what documentation is acceptable is part of the plan to drive up the anxiety level of the victims of the system.

      It's called Anarcho-Tyrrany. Never knowing what'll arouse the Jackbooted Thugs. Will it be something in your laptop bag? ( That's a rj-45 Female/Female coupler, dude... ) or just your long-hippie-hair?
  • tomarocco, on 08/14/2008, -1/+12Come on, man. Why fool yourselves? We're ALL on the security watch list.
  • Threlly1, on 08/14/2008, -1/+10"Ver are your papers"....
    Sound familiar ?
  • kaosethema, on 08/14/2008, -1/+10umm, a terrorist will never do anything to raise any suspicions...
    much less will he/she approach a security barricade without the proper ID.


    uh oh, now I'm on the watchlist :0
  • D1ckFace, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4This is a stupid rule. To thwart this, do what David Icke says, everyone should not carry ID then they'd have a database of like, everyone.
    • johnnick, on 08/14/2008, -2/+2That would have worked under the old rule when you just had to go through the "enhanced" security search if you didn't have an ID. Now, however, since they won't let you on your flight, you'd have a tough time convincing people to sacrifice their tickets for this principle.
  • goffy59, on 08/14/2008, -3/+5***** America!
    • EatSleepJeep, on 08/15/2008, -0/+4Don't bother, we're ***** it up pretty well on our own, thank you very much.
    • johnnick, on 08/15/2008, -0/+3No, no, you got that wrong and backwards. It's, "America! *****, yeah!"
  • kosser, on 08/14/2008, -2/+5this is the same as when the Nazi's asked for your papers back in their fascist era....this is anti-constitutional...sad
  • johnnick, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6The thing that is most annoying about this rule is that it has nothing to do with security. In the old days, you didn't need to show an ID to get on a plane, just your ticket. Ticket brokers would buy up seats in advance to get the discounted rates and then resell them to business travelers are a profit, but not at prices that were as high as the airlines' prices for the same seat at the same time. This drove the airlines nuts (since they weren't getting the extra revenue), and is why they started the policy of requiring an ID that matched the name on the ticket and charging "change fees" to change the name on the ticket - to drive those ticket brokers out of business.

    The whole purpose of the ID check is to maintain the airlines' revenues and, from a security perspective, create the illusion that the government is doing something to make the public "safer." Any moderately well-organized and well-funded terrorist group can easily create the fake IDs necessary to get through the system.
  • Vohu, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6And we now have yet another reason to disband this agency and the department that oversees it.
  • Technoidatx, on 08/14/2008, -4/+0I flew to the the bahamas and back with no ID ... no one cared. Cept for some dumb bitch in Orlando on the way back. I was sun burned and drunk and told her I didn't care what she said. C ya. Oh and I went to mexico and back with no ID about a month ago. Weeeeeeeeeeee
  • computerfreedom, on 08/15/2008, -1/+7The assholes that caused 9/11 had totally valid IDs and were here legally.

    Who was the pinhead that thinks up these arbitrary rules?
    How on earth did my country change to such a disgrace?
    • stealthc, on 08/15/2008, -2/+2That's right, they were! Some of them even worked for the government!
  • FaithclubDotNet, on 08/15/2008, -1/+4We're sorry, you can't fly because you forgot your drivers licence at home. Oh and you can never fly again. No plane for you.
  • bacon_skoda, on 08/15/2008, -1/+3Just waiting for the day when Everyone is on the list.
    the airline industry will eat itself.
    • irspariah, on 08/15/2008, -1/+1Hopefully they will imitate this now extinct bird which flew in ever decreasing circles until it flew up its own ***** and disappeared.
  • irspariah, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2What if you refuse to tell them who you are? What if everyone refuses to say who they are?
    • stealthc, on 08/15/2008, -0/+4Ooh that would be great. Get a crowd of about 500 people together who all didn't bring their papers. Clog the TSA checkpoint.

      Nonviolent resistance FTW
      • senatorpjt, on 08/15/2008, -2/+2Yeah, they get to take your money you paid for the tickets and don't have to fly the plane.
  • stealthc, on 08/15/2008, -1/+7Fire the TSA.
  • wtfmate112, on 08/15/2008, -2/+2What kind of person goes to the airport nowadays without id.
  • frenchi, on 08/15/2008, -0/+5The other day I took a ***** at the airport. now I'm on the list. the list is a joke.
  • TrikkyMakk, on 08/15/2008, -1/+4And when they started all this crap at the airports they assured us that you do not need ID to board a plane.

    People think it can't happen here.
  • drunkwally, on 08/15/2008, -1/+4I'm a terrorist and I always present my ID when flying. Much less hassle.
    • PopcornDave, on 08/15/2008, -1/+1*****, anymore if you're a free thinker you're a ***** terrorist because you won't play ball with people who think Calvin ball exists and play by those (ever changing) rules.
  • tomjeff08, on 08/15/2008, -1/+3So, I guess telling them I have a .308 round with their name on it would be a bad idea? Apparently my state already has implemented the Real ID *****. I put my ID in the microwave for 30 seconds. You can see the difference.

    We can either live on our knees or die on our feet. Love me some Iron Maiden - The Trooper. If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.
  • jerrycurley, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2Could someone point out where in the Constitution people are guaranteed the right to remain anonymous.
    • Black6x, on 08/15/2008, -2/+1It's right after the right to privacy.

      As in, it's not there.
    • WalkerTXclocker, on 08/16/2008, -0/+1Okay, I guess I'll do the research for you since you are too apathetic.

      The 9th amendment states - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

      Supreme Court decisions over the years have established that the right to privacy is a basic human right, and as such is protected by virtue of the 9th Amendment. The right to privacy has come to the public's attention via several controversial Supreme Court rulings, including several dealing with contraception (the Griswold and Eisenstadt cases), interracial marriage (the Loving case), and abortion (the well-known Roe v Wade case). In addition, it is said that a right to privacy is inherent in many of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, such as the 3rd, the 4th's search and seizure limits, and the 5th's self-incrimination limit.

      So although the right to privacy is not specific it is an inherent protection in the Constitution. And that, boys and girls, is how the right to privacy is a protected Constitutional right.

      Okay,scratch girls - there are no girls on the internet.
  • Tenzy, on 08/15/2008, -1/+0Or gets whoever you were pretending to be on the watchlist...
  • iridesce, on 08/15/2008, -1/+1will be expunged - wonder what the economic penalty for not expunging data is these days
  • rollin03, on 08/15/2008, -1/+0TSA- You can sell my identity for 5$ on inboxdollars.com!
  • Snarfels, on 08/15/2008, -1/+0In the USA (see: "The Star-Spangled Banner"; O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!), big brother watches you!
  • kahrytan, on 08/15/2008, -1/+2Burried for Inaccurate Title. Original Submitter should read the whole article next time.
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/15/2008, -2/+1The right to be anonymous exists only at 4chan.
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