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New Revelations in Israeli Attack on American Ship
chicagotribune.com — "You just don't shoot at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of your target!" Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping.
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- yellowcakewalk, on 06/07/2008, -30/+117The USS Liberty massacre official site:
http://ussliberty.org- mohamedmansour, on 06/07/2008, -14/+20What do you expect? Israel attacks without thinking ... Over the years of their illegal occupation, when did they "legally" attack anyone? For instace, they bomb hospitals, schools, kids, children, UN posts, embassys, etc for what? They "know" there are terrorist activites...
Pure bull... Oh well, USA is Israel's slave, that is how it is going to be. Look at Obama how he is changing his policies towards Israel. - expatcatalyst, on 06/07/2008, -9/+8A massacre is different from Collateral Damage. Both stink and have been going on forever, but occur for different reasons. Look at what year this happened, military forces didn't have the technology or sophistication of today. Collateral Damage is a fact of life and I guarantee that every digger's government, no matter where you call home, has done it if they have been involved in anything with bullets and missiles.
- Naieve, on 06/08/2008, -1/+5I've never really doubted numerous sources in the position to know declaring the attack was made with full knowledge.
Considering the timing of the attack, and the possible options the Israeli's were discussing, the topic is a conspiracy theorists dream.
I'm not saying they did it for this reason, but I always wondered if they were considering the use of nuclear weapons.
Plenty of fodder to go off whichever way you want, no one really knows, and I doubt they kept any records to justify why.
- mohamedmansour, on 06/07/2008, -14/+20What do you expect? Israel attacks without thinking ... Over the years of their illegal occupation, when did they "legally" attack anyone? For instace, they bomb hospitals, schools, kids, children, UN posts, embassys, etc for what? They "know" there are terrorist activites...
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/07/2008, -29/+69We met the survivors of the USS Liberty massacre last June here in DC
http://yellowcakewalk.net/2007-06-02/- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -8/+2The incident was a complete accident. On the website ussliberty.org, the website author(s) state that Israel lied about the attack. This is a lie in itself, as Israel admitted it was an accident as soon as it happened. As onigami stated:
"Israel definitely attacked the ship but it was an accident because why was there an American ship so close to Egypt at the time? Israel's military, especially at that time, was better than its neighbors but weaker than western militaries. In otherwords, there is plenty of room for errors and innocent casualties."
The Israeli government, also had no reason to attack the American ship, as the US was its only ally. Here are their reasons for why the incident happened:
"The Israeli government said three crucial errors were made: the refreshing of the status board (removing the ship's classification as American, so that the later shift did not see it identified), the erroneous identification of the ship as an Egyptian vessel, and the lack of notification from the returning aircraft informing Israeli headquarters of markings on the front of the hull (markings that would not be found on an Egyptian ship). As the general root of these problems, Israel blamed the combination of alarm and fatigue experienced by the Israeli forces at that point of the war when pilots were severely over-worked."
If someone could give me a good, valid reason why Israel would purposely attempt to wage war against the U.S., while fighting Egypt, I would love to hear it.- MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0http://www.monexfraud.com
- thecoolestguy, on 06/08/2008, -0/+10Here is catcher, to stomp on the graves of the sailors who died that day.
----If someone could give me a good, valid reason why Israel would purposely attempt to wage war against the U.S., while fighting Egypt, I would love to hear it.---
Here are two plausible reasons:
1) Because they feared that the US intelligence ship was monitoring what was happening in the in the Sinai town of El Arish where Israeli troops were executing Egyptian prisoners on June 8, 1967.
2) As a false flag operation to try to implicate Egypt and get the US to join the fight against Egypt. Remember the Lavon Affair.
I know you're an Israeli nationalist, and you would rather spit on the graves of the USS Liberty soldiers then do something that would hurt the image of Israel, but really, these desperate horsesht Israeli lies need to stop.- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1--"Because they feared that the US intelligence ship was monitoring what was happening in the in the Sinai town of El Arish where Israeli troops were executing Egyptian prisoners on June 8, 1967."--
They didn't even know what the USS Liberty was, they didn't even know if it was an American ship. They couldn't have attacked the Liberty for this reason - THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT WAS AMERICAN.
--"As a false flag operation to try to implicate Egypt and get the US to join the fight against Egypt. Remember the Lavon Affair."--
Israel had complete domination over Egypt from Day 1 of the 6-Day War, there was no need to attempt to get the US involved, especially in this desperate manner. No Israeli would think of this nonsense. Only a conspiracy theorist would.
I am not stomping on the graves of thes sailors who died that day, wow.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1--"Because they feared that the US intelligence ship was monitoring what was happening in the in the Sinai town of El Arish where Israeli troops were executing Egyptian prisoners on June 8, 1967."--
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -8/+2The incident was a complete accident. On the website ussliberty.org, the website author(s) state that Israel lied about the attack. This is a lie in itself, as Israel admitted it was an accident as soon as it happened. As onigami stated:
- meuse, on 06/07/2008, -16/+65Three survivors of the USS Liberty attack will be on The Political Cesspool radio program this Sunday with James Edwards.
http://americacast.ezstream.com/broadcasts/index.c ... - Stryder81, on 06/07/2008, -20/+102And LBJ ignored the call from them and let the Israeli Fighter planes continue to attack the ship. Disgusting.
People need to wake the f- up and fast.- yellowcakewalk, on 06/07/2008, -26/+32LBJ may have owed very large favors to the Israelis. The Mossad has excellent snipers.
- n0gnuz, on 06/07/2008, -19/+23'LBJ may have owed very large favors to the Israelis. The Mossad has excellent snipers.'
Slightly more probably explanation than the 'magic bullet from the lone sniper in the tower using an old ass rifle that military marksmen have been unable to reproduce' hypothesis that the government crammed down our throats, isn't it? The very fact that a Jewish mobster associated with the Mossad-friendly Lansky crime syndicate shut up the suspect before he could testify to his innocence ought to raise the spectre of Israeli involvement.- popfrogs, on 06/07/2008, -3/+14For some reason the concept of a Jewish mafia cracks me up. "I'll make you an offer you can't refuse. And if you try refusing I'll give you a 10% discount."
- MrWhite7, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2a 75-80 yard shot against a target the size of a melon moving on line awaty from me with a scoped carcano? I could make the shots with iron sights.
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/10/2008, -3/+2@popfrogs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Mafia
It doesn't have anything to do with the USS Liberty Massacre, but you said this would crack you up. Anyone familiar with New York is familiar with the Jewish Mafia, and other ethnic Mafias that were finally pushed out by the Sicilian Mafia.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -4/+2proof of your unwillingness to think of motive and reason, and your ignorance of the issue
- n0gnuz, on 06/07/2008, -19/+23'LBJ may have owed very large favors to the Israelis. The Mossad has excellent snipers.'
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/07/2008, -26/+32LBJ may have owed very large favors to the Israelis. The Mossad has excellent snipers.
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/07/2008, -17/+94The U.S.S. Liberty attack needs to be fully recognized and the survivors need to have an apology from our president as well as given credit and some type of award for what they went through and the hush up that ensued! It should be known wide and far that they and their shipmates suffered because Israel was attempting to create a false flag terror attack to blame on Egypt!
- 1longtime, on 06/07/2008, -24/+9FTA: "An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, called the attack on the Liberty "a tragic and terrible accident, a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has officially apologized."
Also FTA: "The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats [...]"
There's nothing else to do except apologize, the damage has already been done long ago
...and please don't spin this into yet another conspiracy theory. Israel would not benefit from blowing up a US naval vessel. An accident would make the most sense here, so Occum's razor wins again.- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -3/+15You can't just pull out Occam's razor to discount a possibility that is politically inconvenient . Unfortunately for you the experts think it was inconceivable that it was just an accident. FTA:
The Johnson administration did not publicly dispute Israel's claim that the attack had been nothing more than a disastrous mistake. But internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed.
Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.
The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress. - bjornski, on 06/07/2008, -3/+12You seriously think the Israeli military is THAT incompetent?
This was no accident. - USNavyBlue, on 06/08/2008, -1/+4bjornski: Bingo - you hit the nail on the head! Furthermore, our own Government allowed this to happen - LBJ was in on it, you bank on that. That is why I personally blame the US Government more than anybody else! Not that Israel is blameless by any means either. However, if the President of the US was not apart of this deal than this would have never occurred. Or if Israel would have attempted it without the help of LBJ & Company then Israel would have been blasted into next year and knows this and this is why Israel would have never did this unless our own government was in on it.
Israel should be made to pay for reparations to the USA for the cost of the ship and all the costs of the medical care of the survivors received and to bury the dead! Then the US Government should pay out reparations to the family's of the dead and the survivors for knowing that the US Government committed high treason that fateful day with public announcement to the whole world this is exactly what happened with Israel by the USA's side confirming it with apologies. No exceptions and no more damn excuses. - MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times.
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- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -3/+15You can't just pull out Occam's razor to discount a possibility that is politically inconvenient . Unfortunately for you the experts think it was inconceivable that it was just an accident. FTA:
- akamurph, on 06/07/2008, -9/+5Wait, aren't you going to blame Bush for this?!
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/08/2008, -1/+7Maybe Prescott and H.W., but I am sure that W was off getting coked up and drunk out of his mind during this period, so I will give him a pass for this one! LOL!
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/10/2008, -1/+1Bush was busy defending houston from the Viet Cong.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -6/+3This is probably the dumbest sh*t I have ever heard. Egypt was getting wtfpwnd by Israel from Day 1 to Day 6, there was no need to create a "false-flag terror attack" to blame on Egypt. And, why the ***** would Israel attack its only ally? There is no reason, well there is, it was an accident and nothing more.
- Conspiracy20, on 06/08/2008, -1/+4There is no reason, well there is, it was an accident and nothing more. Your way or the highway. Talk to the survivors. Don't pick things out of the air.
Part Two – The Attack
Despite being fully aware of its status, at 2:00 in the afternoon, three unmarked Israeli Mystere and Mirage III fighter jets pummeled the Liberty with rockets and cannon fire. These bombers initially went after the ship’s antennae and electronics dishes, in the process filling the American flag full of holes. As sailors fled for cover, Liberty crewmen hoisted a new, even larger 7x13 foot flag into the air. But this new, even larger flag didn’t stop the Israeli onslaught as they sprayed the Liberty with napalm – the highly incendiary substance burning the sailor’s flesh.
- Conspiracy20, on 06/08/2008, -1/+4There is no reason, well there is, it was an accident and nothing more. Your way or the highway. Talk to the survivors. Don't pick things out of the air.
- zolthar, on 06/09/2008, -1/+5The Israeli citizens are pretty sure this was a tragic mistake.
If you want answers from the Israeli government, then apply pressure through it's civilians: contact news agencies and local political movements. The Israeli public is favorable of the US and will demand answers if convinced that there is a government cover up.
Do not allow Anti-Israeli political activists to hijack this subject, because they will do anything but the above, even if they pretend to care and promise to fix the situation.
p.s. Your theory (Israel did this in order to frame Egypt) makes no sense. Egypt's air force was crippled at that day, no relevant military presence could sunk this ship except Israel, which also failed.
- 1longtime, on 06/07/2008, -24/+9FTA: "An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, called the attack on the Liberty "a tragic and terrible accident, a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has officially apologized."
- brightlight4, on 06/07/2008, -33/+73Why should we be surprised after what we have read about Israel in other situations!!!
- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -31/+17Do some research and you'll find that much of what you have read about Israel in other situations is baseless propaganda from Israel's enemies.
- flogistan, on 06/07/2008, -14/+14It's true, it is all propaganda by israel's enemies. Read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. You'll see, it's just these people out to get israel. They just can't leave themselves alone.
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-I ...- wpi97, on 06/07/2008, -12/+7You can certainly read the discredited revisionist "historian", or you can read "A Case for Israel" by Alan Dershowitz, who has his facts straight, and whose conclusions are logical.
- flogistan, on 06/07/2008, -6/+10Yeah, he's discredited and dershowitz from zionist "libertarian" OJ's lawyer for torture is a real historian and not laughed at. They're only "revisionist" because they tell the story using data that was classified before they wrote the books. You should be refreshed. It's the first truth to come out of israel in sixty years.
- wpi97, on 06/07/2008, -7/+6"In a review essay of "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," Seth J. Frantzman calls Pappe's work "a cynical exercise in manipulating evidence to fit an implausible thesis." [19] Frantzman summarizes: "Pappe's book falls short, and it does so in a particularly damning way. He ignores context and draws far broader conclusions than evidence allows by cherry-picking some reports and ignoring other sources entirely."[20]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Papp%C3%A9#Prais ...
Not everything that agrees with your agenda is the truth, you know. By the way, please feel free to point out any factual or logical errors in Dershowitz's book. - flogistan, on 06/07/2008, -6/+9So you dug up a nobody neocon straussian jewish zionist and that "discredits" the book. There were a number of jewish zionists like you that said Mearsheimer and walt's book was antisemitic as well. It was the most politically correct walk on egg shells I've ever read, and it was ALL true. They're called new historians and not revisionist historians anyway, and you know that. Revisionist historians are your buddies on wiki that destroyed it recently. You are truly a clown and you know it. Dershowitz is a walking factual logical error suffering from the same BS disease you are. Keep doing your thing though, and so will I. Can you feel the momentum?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JP ... - wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -6/+6Why don't you follow the link to wikipedia I posted. You will find that Benny Morris, the one that Chomsky keeps quoting, says the following about Pappe:
"Unfortunately much of what Pappe tries to sell his readers is complete fabrication. [...] This book is awash with errors of a quantity and a quality that are not found in serious historiography. [...] The multiplicity of mistakes on each page is a product of both Pappe's historical methodology and his political proclivities[.] [...] For those enamored with subjectivity and in thrall to historical relativism, a fact is not a fact and accuracy is unattainable."
So far I have heard insults and ad hominem attacks from you, but not a single example of an error or a fabrication in Dershowitz's book. Yet somehow this does not surprise me... - flogistan, on 06/08/2008, -6/+6I followed the guy you cited who was kicked out of high school twice and has a GED. I'm not supposed to check up on the self important pseudo intellectual dropouts you use to prove your points? My bad. Isn't benny morris a "new historian" too? You wouldn't only read the ones that agree with you, would you? Give me an unbiased historian, that's all I'm asking. I'm telling people to read a book by an israeli historian. Give me someone who criqiqued it besides benny morris, who is an earlier part of the same movement, and is israeli, not a secular jewish linguist, and not a jewish lawyer who works for AIPAC. Give me a regular guy american or european historian who would have no bias toward israel...someone who has done a blistering critique of the book...and isn't GED clampett, or is that somehow racist now. Somewhere besides wiki. I know you guys have been spending so much time there lately as I said. I think everyone should read dershowitz's book. Read the one I'm suggesting too. I'm all for people getting both sides of the story. OJ's lawyer who supports torture and works for AIPAC too.
- wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -7/+5"My bad. Isn't benny morris a "new historian" too?"
So, if "new historian" A is trashed by a "new historian" B, what does that tell you about A, or the "new historians" in general?
I think I have presented sufficient evidence to cast doubt on the validity of Pappe's conclusions. You, on the other hand, have presented no evidence supporting them, and no evidence refuting Dershowitz, other than personal insults and ad hominem attacks. I think the burden of proof is on you, clown. - flogistan, on 06/08/2008, -8/+5You presented a student's opinion with a GED and told them to read a wikipedia page you probably wrote.
- NPodhoretz14, on 06/08/2008, -4/+7Anyone reading alan Dershowitz book should know that he could not cite a single mainstream human rights organization to back any of his claims. He also plagiarised Joan Peter's From Time Immemorial, a discredited hoax. Go read the book "Beyond Chutpah" to find out what a colossal fraud Douchewitz is.
- flogistan, on 06/08/2008, -5/+6Thanks, I'll read that instead of shivering through the dershowitz's book. sounds good.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti- ... - wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -5/+4@flogistan
Still nothing other than the ad hominem's, huh? Thought so. - flogistan, on 06/08/2008, -4/+5Saying he works for AIPAC is not an ad hominem ding dong, it's a legitimate bias that calls the objectivity of his work into question. The fact that he was OJ's lawyer is an ad hominem, but it's a relevant observation in the context of this argument because it shows he will say ANYTHING for money. The fact that he is a lawyer and not a historian discredits him in this context because it shows he's not a historian at all. It's like saying mega doses of vitamin C are good for you and you know this to be true because linus pauling said it was, and a good physicist should know about vitamin C. Alan dershowitz has all the ligitimacy as a historian that your GED guy does because he's not a historian, he's an incredibly unethical lawyer. You have used a text book fallacy of appeal to authority here Ad hominem is not a fallacy if it is used correctly to discredit your unethical lawyers or GED candidates. All fallacies are not fallacies all the time, and if you knew anything about deductive reasoning, you would know that.
- wpi97, on 06/09/2008, -2/+3Funny how I appealed to authority by challenging you to come up with any factual errors in Dershowitz's book. Ad hominem is not a fallacy when you attack someone making a claim that cannot be otherwise verified, which is not the case here. Facts, stated by Dershowitz can be verified, and so can be his conclusions, although you, apparently, would much rather spew insults, than say anything of substance. I see that _your_ deductive reasoning skills are excellent (rolls eyes).
- flogistan, on 06/09/2008, -2/+2It was a text book appeal to authority fallacy as I demonstrated. It was perfect, and beautiful, and comical right in the middle of your accusation of fallacious reasoning which is why it's so funny. It had to give you the willies to come back and try to say something after that, but I love it that you did. Dershowitz as a historian is the fallacy of appeal to authority, because he's not a historian, he's a paid liar for AIPAC. Look up appeal to authority. It's really genuinely perfect and is in every hundred level critical reasoning text book in the exact form you used it. I don't know. Maybe you really don't know what it is, and don't know how perfectly you nailed yourself, but in a way, that makes it even better. You talk as if the dershowitz book is a book of deductive symbolic logic syllogisms. ALL his conclusions can be verified? That's a bold statement about any paper or book covering history or politics of any sort. This must also put dershowtz among the great masters of deductive reasoning through history, as well as his many credentials as a great historian and political scientist. Maybe dershowitz is the first author to ever achieve this in an entire book rather than with a few concrete syllogisms. If A the glove does not fit... then B you must acquit...oh wait... was that dershowitz? Nobody makes an argument by saying the first premise of their argument is that an entire book is absolute truth and you must first prove the entire book of perfect truth wrong, or they have won the argument... except you. It's a pretty good way to never have to look stupid in a real argument by never getting to the real argument.
- wpi97, on 06/09/2008, -2/+4Let me summarize this discussion.
You: Read Pappe. His book is the first truth to come out of Israel in 60 years.
Me: Pappe is full of crap. He is discredited. Dershowitz refutes his claims. Read his book.
You: Pappe is not discredited, Dershowitz is full of crap.
Me: Here is a quote refuting Pappe.
You: That guy did not finish high school.
Me: Here is a quote by Benny Morris, a fellow "new historian" saying that Pappe is full of crap.
You: Benny Morris is a Jew. Must be biased. Dershowitz is full of crap because he defended OJ.
Me: Give me an example of an error in Dershowitz book.
You: Appeal to authority! Dershowitz is full of crap! He works for AIPAC!
Me: Give me an example of an error in Dershowitz book.
You: Dershowitz is full of crap! He is a not a historian. He defended OJ and he is a Jew!
Me: Give me an example of an error in Dershowitz book.
You: Dershowitz is full of crap! Dershowitz is full of crap! Dershowitz is full of crap! La-la-la! I can't hear you!
Does that about sum it up? I think we are done here. Have a nice life. Keep praying to your idol, Ilan Pappe, while accusing others of appeals to authority. It has been very entertaining. - flogistan, on 06/09/2008, -2/+1We've settled it. When talking about history, the authority is a kid with a GED on the internet.
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- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -11/+0SO much propaganda.
- flogistan, on 06/07/2008, -14/+14It's true, it is all propaganda by israel's enemies. Read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. You'll see, it's just these people out to get israel. They just can't leave themselves alone.
- kidd3ckz, on 06/07/2008, -17/+6***** you!
Go Jews!
- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -31/+17Do some research and you'll find that much of what you have read about Israel in other situations is baseless propaganda from Israel's enemies.
- foopirata, on 06/07/2008, -26/+43FTA: "By John Crewdson | Tribune senior correspondent October 2, 2007"
"New revelations", indeed. *scoff* - LilBambi, on 06/07/2008, -20/+70Most importantly, we need to stop with the "entangling alliances' ... We need to mind our own business!
Anyone is welcome to help other countries like Israel on a personal level if they wish, but the USA as a country should not be spending our tax dollars and 'borrowed' tax dollars to give to other countries instead of helping OUR OWN PEOPLE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
There are lots of natural disasters and man-made disasters right here at home to deal with. ;-)- boombye, on 06/07/2008, -15/+9Sadly 9 traitors disagree with you so far.
- wpi97, on 06/07/2008, -11/+7Yeah... That entangling alliance with Britain during WWII was a really bad idea, right?
- lotsa1s, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11That "entangling alliance with Britain" isn't the reason we went to war. WE were attacked, and then Germany declared war on US.
WW2 is one of the last cases in our history where we've actually been justified in going to war. Its not because of the Holocaust that its justified, its not because Britain was on the edge of collapse. No, it was because we had a legitimate, personal interest in ***** up the Axis's *****.- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -4/+9bin Ladin declared war on the US in the 90's. It was in our personal interest to ***** up Al-Queda's *****.
- bjornski, on 06/07/2008, -6/+5@monsieurginger
WHY did he do that? It wasn't because "he hated our freedom".
*****, you're 19. Who is the first President you remember? Do you REMEMBER Clinton's term? Do you remember a President BEFORE Clinton?
I didn't think so.
Please, read up some history before you start determining who should be "***** up their *****".
Better yet, why don't you ENLIST. Then you can help out in this war you think is such a great idea, instead of being in the ***** "first chairborne division" of the chickenhawk brigade. - monsieurginger, on 06/08/2008, -2/+7"this war you think is such a great idea" I think the war in Afghanistan is just. But no where did I say that we should be in Iraq. Where the hell did you get that from. Ah, you're 40. Maybe you should get glasses.
I was against the Iraq war from the start. - geoboy, on 06/08/2008, -5/+6Yes, the sovereign nation of bin Laden declared war on the U.S. in the 90s, and ever since then we have been at war with the bin Ladenites.
How is that war with bin Laden going, anyway? It's hard to pay attention with all that Iraq garbage in the news. - wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -1/+5"That "entangling alliance with Britain" isn't the reason we went to war. WE were attacked, and then Germany declared war on US."
Fair enough. Even though Germany did not actually attack the US after declaring war. The US could have easily limited its involvement to the Pacific.
How about the first Iraq war, when the US stepped in because of its alliance with Kuwait? What about NATO, where an attack on any member country is considered to be an attack on all? It appears that in the modern, increasingly globalized world no country can really afford to not make alliances. - lotsa1s, on 06/08/2008, -3/+2I cant for the life of me determine why geoboy is being dugg down, as he has a legitimate point.
Can you really call fighting what is essentially an ideology a war?
wpi, alliances like NATO are what turned WW1 from a insignificant invasion/occupation into 20 million dead bodies. - wpi97, on 06/09/2008, -0/+5"Can you really call fighting what is essentially an ideology a war?"
Bin Laden obviously is not a sovereign nation. But it is not a big stretch to call Al Qaida an army. The world has changed, and it is now possible to inflict death and carnage without being a regular army of a sovereign nation.
"alliances like NATO are what turned WW1 from a insignificant invasion/occupation into 20 million dead bodies."
NATO is what kept Western Europe from sharing the post-war fate of Eastern Europe. The USSR had enough tanks to go through Europe even faster than Hitler did.
- lotsa1s, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11That "entangling alliance with Britain" isn't the reason we went to war. WE were attacked, and then Germany declared war on US.
- Herkimer56, on 06/07/2008, -75/+26This ***** again? Buried as insanely inaccurate.
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/07/2008, -16/+38You are insanely inaccurate -- there is all the proof in the world supporting that the Israelis purposely attacked the Liberty as a false flag terror act!
- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -18/+17No, all the proof in the world supports that Israel attacked the Liberty because the commanders on land thought it was an Egyptian ship.
Relevant: After the attack, Israel issued orders to "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately." Also: "conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before handing them over ... No such imputation can be made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands. "
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?ite ...- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/08/2008, -4/+3After Israeli fighers flew over 3 times with transmissions on record with the pilots saying they would not attack because it was a U.S. ship?!! They were then ordered to attack anyway!!?!! That makes all the sense in the world! Pull the other leg, it plays jingle bells!
- lordenlil, on 06/08/2008, -1/+3Source?
- Bkaufman, on 06/07/2008, -11/+10Don't worry, the antisemites will ignore this, or concoct some kind of ass-backwards theory about how these new tapes are not real. They have made up their minds, and there is no changing them. That's why I don't even waste my time arguing with them.
- lotsa1s, on 06/07/2008, -5/+5I suppose the people who detest Bin Laden for flying planes into our buildings are secret Arab-haters, too, right?
- thecoolestguy, on 06/08/2008, -3/+10The Israelis in this thread are ridiculous assholes. The USS Liberty was attacked deliberately and repeatedly. Every one knew it was an American ship. The attacked lasted for hours. It was flying an American flag.
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/08/2008, -2/+4Yeah, soon they are going to argue that the sky is not blue. Their favorite method of debunking is denying anything anyone says -- It does not matter whether this event has been well documented again and again over the years, with plenty of testimonials from the crew---even from the Israeli jet fighters!
- Conspiracy20, on 06/08/2008, -2/+5adding to "Luke"
If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions. If he's a Jew he's self hating.
* First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
* If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
* If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
* If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.
- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -18/+17No, all the proof in the world supports that Israel attacked the Liberty because the commanders on land thought it was an Egyptian ship.
- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -27/+18It's interesting how everyone is willing to forget that Israel apologised for attacking the Liberty and paid compensation. It has been a non-issue for 40 years yet all this rhetoric is as if there were never any apology or admission of error.
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -18/+12Tangora,
This is just like Deir Yassin. The Jewish leadership apologized for it, yet it is usually the only atrocity the Arabs bring up just like anti-Israel Americans always bring up the USS Liberty even though Israel apologized. Like both events, they keep mentioning false details or just make up new ones every few years. I wonder if they know what "gunny-sacking" means.- copi35, on 06/08/2008, -3/+0euh... the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982, the use of cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon in 2006, Gaza 2008..... hello?!
- foopirata, on 06/08/2008, -0/+5Sabra and Shatila was done by the Christian Phalanges.
The use of cluster bombs was on _territory_, not on civilians.
"Gaza 2008" ? What's that? The World Cup ?
- strOphe, on 06/07/2008, -6/+10An admission of error is irrelevant if it wasn't an accident.
- Alexandru25, on 06/07/2008, -8/+11It was dumb ass. This conspiracy is so ***** stupid it really pisses me off. Unlike 9/11 ***** this one does not even have a hint of logical purpose. What would Israel gain by attacking an American ship?
- strOphe, on 06/07/2008, -7/+8Dumb ass? Stupid? Conspiracy?
FTA: "most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity."
It's a conspiracy when the Secretary of State thinks it happened that way? Conspiracies are when people on the fringe, out of the know, try and come up with theories for what happened. This article quotes extensively from people within the CIA and NSA who clearly have knowledge that the attack wasn't accidental. Maybe if you'd read instead of just blindly decrying things as conspiracy you would learn something today. - zombies187, on 06/07/2008, -4/+6@ Alexandru-
Israel wanted America at war with their enemy Egypt. Do you see how that would work to Israels advantage? - JohnReb, on 06/07/2008, -4/+5Why was the US going to go to war with Egypt?
Since the entire Egyptian air force had been destroyed days before, and everyone in the war zone knew it, there was zero chance anyone would think the attacking aircraft were Egyptians.
Do you have a motive that might make sense?
- Herkimer56, on 06/07/2008, -7/+9@Tangaroa
These idiots don't want to hear the truth. They just want to keep propagating their anti-Israel and anti-Jew propaganda no matter what damage they do. These people try to blame everything bad that happens in the world on the Jews. This is just plain old bigotry.- zombies187, on 06/07/2008, -6/+5Everything bad that ever happened is the jews fault? It seems to me that this is narrowly targeted at a particular event. It seems that the American government thinks this was done on purpose. I guess if I was prone to believing Israeli intel over American I would be on your side. But...
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -18/+12Tangora,
- zerocool1990, on 06/09/2008, -2/+1You again? Buried as insanely an *****.
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/07/2008, -16/+38You are insanely inaccurate -- there is all the proof in the world supporting that the Israelis purposely attacked the Liberty as a false flag terror act!
- yosserhughes, on 06/07/2008, -11/+34Trolls are out, damn that was quick.
- pintomp3, on 06/07/2008, -9/+24they are organized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_too ...- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -9/+6Amazing how many times you bring that up even though it doesn't exist. Go ahead, download it, see for yourself.
- bjornski, on 06/07/2008, -4/+9It doesn't exist?
Here's the download page, moron. http://www.giyus.org/
Please, check your facts before continuing to make yourself look like a ***** 19 year old idiot. - monsieurginger, on 06/08/2008, -7/+4OMG. Download it and check it out. Check your facts you ***** old fart.
- bjornski, on 06/08/2008, -1/+4I don't trust it. I won't install that *****.
You said it doesn't exist.
- bjornski, on 06/07/2008, -4/+9It doesn't exist?
- kingsal, on 06/08/2008, -2/+3this is why mormons always win reality shows!
- bjornski, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1Oh c'mon, we all know it's the magic underwear.
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -9/+6Amazing how many times you bring that up even though it doesn't exist. Go ahead, download it, see for yourself.
- pintomp3, on 06/07/2008, -9/+24they are organized.
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -19/+9gunny sacking - if you don't know what it means look it up
- milesdavis22, on 06/07/2008, -59/+13Buried as inaccurate
- jamdogg, on 06/07/2008, -5/+12Dugg as accurate.
- zerocool1990, on 06/09/2008, -1/+3Buried you as an ignorant *****
- BikerDude69, on 06/07/2008, -17/+74"Israel has officially apologized." Israel also paid reparations of $6.7 million to the injured survivors and the families of those killed in the attack, and another $6 million for the loss of the Liberty itself."
Meanwhile we continue to send Israel over 3 BILLION dollars per year! WHY?- Tangaroa, on 06/07/2008, -23/+10Bribe for peace with Egypt. Egypt is also sent "3 BILLION dollars per year!" Yes, I am mocking you. This is common knowledge.
- tpaz, on 06/07/2008, -18/+5The way you describe it is quite misleading to say the least.
US is Not paying Israel 3B$ every year as it might seems. US is Forcing Israel to buy Defense equipment from US companies with US money. so it is sort of US buying weapons and all that comes with it (training, courses etc') from US companies. here goes down your Taxes theory.
Moreover, by that power, US is Obligating Israel from doing any mega-deals of B$ with other countries like India and China. by that Israel is probably Loosing more US B$ than gaining from the 3B$ per year that US promises.
It does it formally to 'protect US interests' but actually US does so to protect US giant companies which have strong Lobbies. So, countries like India will not buy sophisticated weapons from Israel but rather from US.
Therefore you should think again if your administration is that stupid as you might think.
Probably they are much smarter and think Strategy than day-to-day people with opinions as you have...- seraph582, on 06/07/2008, -5/+7"Meanwhile we continue to send Israel over 3 BILLION dollars per year! WHY?"
because they're our biggest ally over in the land of the ultra-conservative theocratic barbarian pinheads
you ***** retard. It's quite obvious.- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -3/+4Nice bit of racism there.
- glutamate, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Not that Israel, or the US for that matter, isn't also run by ultra-conservative theocratic barbarian pinheads.
- seraph582, on 06/07/2008, -5/+7"Meanwhile we continue to send Israel over 3 BILLION dollars per year! WHY?"
- zombies187, on 06/07/2008, -3/+7We have to send them that money because they refuse to pay for settling the west bank themselves. Ysee, they are a democracy and can talk openly about their funding projects. Americans don't ask about the money for Israel. If Americans knew our money was going to settlements, it would be stopped.
- thecoolestguy, on 06/08/2008, -2/+6They own the politicians and have influential people in the media (e.g. Larry King, Mortimer Zuckerman, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer). 50% of the donations to the Democratic party come from Jewish sources. I assume it's a similar figure for the Republican party.
- saqer, on 06/07/2008, -24/+91expect the zionist cleanup crew to come along and bury this article as inaccurate...
- saqer, on 06/07/2008, -8/+31wow, 180 seconds....they're really on top of things
- Gutterpunk, on 06/07/2008, -25/+13As opposed to the anti-zionist crew that populated the thread so far with "objective" arguments?
- saqer, on 06/07/2008, -8/+31wow, 180 seconds....they're really on top of things
- easy4lif, on 06/07/2008, -39/+22looks like stormfront is starting to take over digg.
- thecatcantalk, on 06/07/2008, -11/+21Right, because anyone who criticizes a Jew is automatically "just like Hitler".
"Verbal criticism of war crimes against Arabs = killing Jews with Zyklon B"...good way to totally demolish your credibility, dude.
"My country, right or wrong." Where have I heard that expression before?- Gutterpunk, on 06/07/2008, -16/+9No,idiot.
This doesn't look like rational people critisizing Jews. Read the posts, tell me that they aren't all made by people with an agenda. Check the history of the posters. easy4lif is right in thinking that most posts here aren't your usual Digg comments.- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -1/+9Don't be an idiot. Most posts here are pretty innocent. What you're doing is using a minority of nutcases who're rabidly anti-semitic to tar everyone who's critical of some aspects of Israel. That is standard tactic of zionist extremists to shut down debate.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/07/2008, -16/+9No,idiot.
- toowired77, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1It shows you how weak these neo-nazis are in society. They have reverted to hiring twelve year old pick noses to do their bidding on the Internet. What power?
- thecatcantalk, on 06/07/2008, -11/+21Right, because anyone who criticizes a Jew is automatically "just like Hitler".
- mal1964, on 06/07/2008, -40/+15Psychological origins
According to some psychologists, a person who believes in one conspiracy theory tends to believe in others; a person who does not believe in one conspiracy theory tends not to believe another.[18] This may be caused by differences in the information upon which parties rely in formulating their conclusions.
Psychologists believe that the search for meaningfulness is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea[citation needed]. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief. In a context where a conspiracy theory has become popular within a social group, communal reinforcement may equally play a part.
Some research carried out at the University of Kent, UK suggests people may be influenced by conspiracy theories without being aware that their attitudes have changed. After reading popular conspiracy theories about the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, participants in this study correctly estimated how much their peers' attitudes had changed, but significantly underestimated how much their own attitudes had changed to become more in favour of the conspiracy theories. The authors conclude that conspiracy theories may therefore have a 'hidden power' to influence people's beliefs.[19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory- overtoke, on 06/07/2008, -7/+9The official explanation is a conspiracy theory.
- mal1964, on 06/07/2008, -4/+3Where do you find this?; "The official explanation"
- StopTheLie, on 06/07/2008, -4/+6You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" to understand the concept of False Flag operations. Nor do you need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to understand that the government of Israel has been caught in the past using them. (Look up the "Lavon Affair.") Has anyone coined a term for those who believe so deeply in the "goodness" of men in power (government) that they become intellectually blind? -Able to ignore all evidence, no matter how damning, and accept any lie at face value without an ounce of critical thought?
- mal1964, on 06/07/2008, -3/+3Just looking at your comments there doesn't seem to be a conspiracy you don't believe. Does that make you a "conspiracy believeist"?
- wpi97, on 06/07/2008, -3/+4Oh, yes, the "False Flag Conspiracy Theory". Israel attacked the USS Liberty, knowing it was an American ship, fist with unmarked planes, and then with torpedo boats under Israeli flags in order to... frame Egypt for it, and get the US to nuke Cairo. All because the war was going so badly for the Israelis (rolls eyes). After destroying the Egyptian air force within the first 3 hours of the war, with Israeli ground forces in the Sinai, and kicking the ***** out of Jordan and Syria, the Israelis were simply desperate to get the US into the war, right?
- StopTheLie, on 06/08/2008, -2/+2Oh, yes, way to "trot out" the cynical / mocking tone (used to fool dimwits into believing they've heard a valid refutation of earlier stated facts when, in reality, no such thing has occurred.) …irony intentional.
- wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -3/+3This ridiculous "theory" deserves nothing better than to be cynically mocked, because it does not make sense! Chewbakka lives on Endor, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, and that does not make sense!
Please point out any factual errors in my previous post. Also, please present one shred of evidence that Israeli leadership tried to get the US or anybody else to get involved in the Six Day War. - catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -1/+4StopTheLie, thank for not refuting wpi97's points.
- wpi97, on 06/09/2008, -0/+4@catcher6250
That's probably because there has to be a limit to how much ***** one can make up in one day.
- shig, on 06/07/2008, -3/+2What is the Mafia, or Cosa Nostra, but a conspiracy to organize crime? Take money laundering for example, it requires a conspiracy to launder money. Mexican drug cartels conspire on America's borders daily. Recently, the elected sheriff in my city conspired to sell cocaine out of the back of his cruiser and take protection money from a Mexican money laundering operation. Ask the FBI what a conspiracy is. Their duty is to investigate and charge people with conspiracies. Their greatest tool is the RICO, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, Act. Look that up on wikipedia and you'll see a laundry list of conspiracies busted up with it. Another operation I'd suggest you look into is "Tennessee Waltz", but I'd also suggest you read Shakespeare because his plays are full of realistic and poetical conspiracies.
Psychology is useless. Especially when they ignore historical and carcarel facts.- mal1964, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3Many times i don't agree with the quotes and comments I post, But I like to read and add other angles and views of a story.
- overtoke, on 06/07/2008, -7/+9The official explanation is a conspiracy theory.
- buckchoris, on 06/07/2008, -23/+4Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad's dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent. "We'd been doing some heavy missions, and things were starting to bother me," LeJeune says. His unit had been protecting Iraqi police stations targeted by rocket-propelled grenades, hunting down mortars hidden in dark Baghdad basements and cleaning up its own messes. He recalls the order his unit got after a nighttime firefight to roll back out and collect the enemy dead. When LeJeune and his buddies arrived, they discovered that some of the bodies were still alive. "You don't always know who the bad guys are," he says. "When you search someone's house, you have it built up in your mind that these guys are terrorists, but when you go in, there's little bitty tiny shoes and toys on the floor — things like that started affecting me a lot more than I thought they would."
So LeJeune visited a military doctor in Iraq, who, after a quick session, diagnosed depression. The doctor sent him back to war armed with the antidepressant Zoloft and the antianxiety drug clonazepam. "It's not easy for soldiers to admit the problems that they're having over there for a variety of reasons," LeJeune says. "If they do admit it, then the only solution given is pills."
While the headline-grabbing weapons in this war have been high-tech wonders, like unmanned drones that drop Hellfire missiles on the enemy below, troops like LeJeune are going into battle with a different kind of weapon, one so stealthy that few Americans even know of its deployment. For the first time in history, a sizable and growing number of U.S. combat troops are taking daily doses of antidepressants to calm nerves strained by repeated and lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. The medicines are intended not only to help troops keep their cool but also to enable the already strapped Army to preserve its most precious resource: soldiers on the front lines. Data contained in the Army's fifth Mental Health Advisory Team report indicate that, according to an anonymous survey of U.S. troops taken last fall, about 12% of combat troops in Iraq and 17% of those in Afghanistan are taking prescription antidepressants or sleeping pills to help them cope. Escalating violence in Afghanistan and the more isolated mission have driven troops to rely more on medication there than in Iraq, military officials say.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,181 ...- willskillz, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2Why on earth did you copy/paste a front page article from yesterday? You do know the average Digger's attention span is about 3 hrs, right? Anyway, when I was in the service I too had some problems w/ the "mission" and was prescribed Paxil after talking to a doctor for about 5 minutes. And I was in the AF! So that just goes to show you it doesn't matter what branch or what your particular job in the military is, it's almost like they want everyone to be on a SSRI because of the so called calming affect. They're like "oh, you don't like things"? "Here you go, this will help". It's not that simple and it was pretty hellacious tapering off that crap! http://www.drugawareness.org has a lot of extensive info on the dangers of SSRI's.
- 140Suffolk, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1So? That's the fault of the stinking terrorists, not us.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1What the hell does this have to do with the article at hand.
- 140Suffolk, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2It's the terrorist's fault that it's hard to distinguish friend from foe. That because they don't wear uniforms which is a cowardly violation of the Geneva Accords.
It's the stinking terrorist's fault that our soldiers search a house looking for terrorist weapons and find child's toys. Because they deliberately mix civilians with combatants. This is also a cowardly violation of the Geneva Accords.- catcher6250, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1***** terrorists
- 140Suffolk, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2It's the terrorist's fault that it's hard to distinguish friend from foe. That because they don't wear uniforms which is a cowardly violation of the Geneva Accords.
- n8f8, on 06/07/2008, -33/+21You really have to wonder at all the anti-Israeli propaganda that keeps popping up on Digg. Conspiracy?
- casek, on 06/07/2008, -6/+13there are other nations who are equally guilty of false flag ops.
but exposing these assholes one by one is ok, too.- Alexandru25, on 06/07/2008, -10/+7It makes no ***** SENSE! Why would Israel attack an American ship in plain daylight, with marked planes and torpedo boats. How would they get a false flag out of that?
- jamdogg, on 06/07/2008, -5/+5The flag on the stern of the ship wasn't false.
- Jlaugh, on 06/07/2008, -6/+4The obvious answer is to blame the attack on another country (like Egypt) which Israel was at war with in order to draw America into that war.
- Alexandru25, on 06/07/2008, -2/+6No ***** sherlock! The problem is why do such a ***** ***** job of it. Why not use Egyptian Marked Migs instead of blatant Israeli Mirages? Why not use unmarked planes and sink the ***** thing completely, kill everybody, than fully deny it. Thats where the conspiracy makes no ***** sense!
- Alexandru25, on 06/07/2008, -4/+4"
The flag on the stern of the ship wasn't false."
Of course if you read the damn reports the flag was barely visible on a ship that was otherwise unmarked and not where it should of been. - wpi97, on 06/07/2008, -5/+6@Jlaugh
Yes, Israel desperately needed help in that war. It took them whole 6 days to defeat three Arab armies. If this "false flag op" succeeded, with the help of the US they would have defeated 5 armies in 2 days, right? That was the whole point of deliberately attacking a US ship, and risking retaliation from the US, right?
Oh, I forgot. Israel owns the US, and has the president and the congress on payroll, so there would be no retaliation. But then, why the false flag? Why not just tell the US to nuke Cairo?
Confused? And you will stay confused, after the next episode of "Conspiracy theory on digg". - JohnReb, on 06/08/2008, -2/+6Why would anyone have assumed the attacking planes were Egytian when the entire Egyptian Air Force had been destroyed days before and every intelligence asset in the area knew it?
- wpi97, on 06/08/2008, -3/+5@JohnReb
Ah, grasshopper! But the Jews are very devious! They were going to fabricate a story about how one squadron of Egyptian planes survived! Because it was a secret squadron, consisting of Mirages, not the regular Egyptian Migs. Israel was going to release a story about how unmarked Egyptian Mirages pretending to be unmarked Israeli Mirages attacked the Liberty, to frame Israel for it. Faints within faints within faints...
- Alexandru25, on 06/07/2008, -10/+7It makes no ***** SENSE! Why would Israel attack an American ship in plain daylight, with marked planes and torpedo boats. How would they get a false flag out of that?
- casek, on 06/07/2008, -6/+13there are other nations who are equally guilty of false flag ops.
- Revolution101, on 06/07/2008, -12/+40it's ok.. it was just israel...
i thought it was iran or something..whew - kingsal, on 06/07/2008, -15/+73Makes me sick. And to think we allow organizations like AIPAC (which was involved in a spy scandal a couple of years ago) to exist in our country.
It's a sad day when American presidential candidates have to pledge allegiance to a foreign country (and a notorious one at that) in order to be seriously considered for president.
USS Liberty NEVER FORGET- skaag, on 06/08/2008, -6/+2I cringe to think what you would do if Israel killed 6 million Americans... Luckily for you, you are still alive, and it is the Germans that killed 6 million Jews (and many other millions of enemies), but it gets less coverage on Digg than this stupid boat story of 40 years ago. Obviously you have some kind of Agenda!
And I say, War is like a damn big fire, if you decide to play don't be surprised if you get burned. Best is to avoid it altogether. We are all just a big bunch of stupid monkeys killing each other. How about instead of war mongering, you shut the hell up and promote peace instead?
- skaag, on 06/08/2008, -6/+2I cringe to think what you would do if Israel killed 6 million Americans... Luckily for you, you are still alive, and it is the Germans that killed 6 million Jews (and many other millions of enemies), but it gets less coverage on Digg than this stupid boat story of 40 years ago. Obviously you have some kind of Agenda!
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Yo momma so fat she has a run in her blue-jeans!
Yo momma so fat her blood type is ragu.
Yo momma so fat they use the elastic in her underwear for bungee jumping
Yo momma so fat she has to buy two airline tickets.
Yo momma so fat that when I tried to drive around her I ran out of gas.
Yo momma so fat the animals at the zoo feed her.
Yo momma so fat when she dances at a concert the whoelband skips!
Yo momma so fat she stands in two time zones.
Yo momma so fat you have to grease the door frame and hold a twinkie on the other side just to get her through.
Yo momma so fat when the bitch goes to an all you can eat buffet, they have to install speed bumps.
Yo momma so fat that she can't tie her own shoes.
Yo momma so fat sets off car alarms when she runs.
Yo momma so fat she can't reach her back pocket.
Yo momma so fat when she wears a Malcomn-X T-shirt, helicopters try to land on her back!
Yo momma so fat she uses redwoods to pick her teeth.
Yo momma so fat the only pictures you have of her are satellite pictures.
Yo momma so fat she put on some BVD's and by the time they reached her waist they spelled out boulevard.
Yo momma so fat she stepped on a rainbow and made Skittles.
Yo momma so fat she uses a mattress for a tampon.
Yo momma so fat she hoola-hooped the super bowl.
Yo momma so fat they tie a rope around her shoulders and drag her through a tunnel when they want to clean it.
Yo momma so fat when she got hit by a bus, she said, "Who threw that rock?"
Yo momma so fat when she stands in a left-turn lane it gives her the green arrow!
Yo momma so fat she uses I-95 for a Slip 'n Slide.
Yo momma so fat that when whe was born, she gave the hospital stretch marks.
Yo momma so fat the National Weather Agency has to assign names to her farts!
Yo momma so fat we went to the drive-in and didn't have to pay because we dressed her as a Chevrolet.
Yo momma so fat she was Miss Arizona -- class Battleship.
Yo momma so fat she accidently got a 757 caught in her teeth.
Yo momma so fat to her, "light food," means under 4 Tons!
Yo momma so fat she went on a date with high heels on and came back with sandals!
Yo momma so fat and stupid, her waist size is larger than her IQ!
Yo momma so fat she was zoned for commercial development.
Yo momma so fat she won, "Miss Bessie the Cow 94."
Yo momma so fat she has her own brand of jeans: FA - FatAss Jeans. - yosserhughes, on 06/07/2008, -8/+26The fastest way to discredit the message is to discredit the messenger; simply calling the person a 'conspiracy theorist' is sometimes enough.
The messenger not only has to deliver their message but overcome the label given them by the detractor. This method is most widely used when the detractor has no evidence to refute the claim but resorts to name calling.
Fox news has brought this particular method to a fine art in recent years and is in the midst of such an assault right now on Scott McClellan.
From the Desiderata.
'Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit." - DefenceMinister, on 06/07/2008, -15/+23Is this what Zionists on Digg have come to? Stay on topic please.
- Carburetor, on 06/07/2008, -34/+14Digg is under attack, for god damn it, do something with all these radical Islamic low life ****s
What a primitive morons, too bad they discovered the internet.
I wish these maniacs could stay in their caves.- bizkit00, on 06/07/2008, -1/+19Being racist doesn't really help me empathize with you... :(
- Carburetor, on 06/07/2008, -11/+3I didn't say Muslims, i said radical Muslims, which spreading their hate against Jewish people, non-radical Muslims, and Christians.
There's no racism in bashing radical violent people.- flogistan, on 06/07/2008, -3/+5Jesus Akbar! Are you sure we're muslims?
- Carburetor, on 06/07/2008, -11/+3I didn't say Muslims, i said radical Muslims, which spreading their hate against Jewish people, non-radical Muslims, and Christians.
- zombies187, on 06/07/2008, -3/+7'I wish these maniacs could stay in their caves.'
Remember when Israel came to Palestine and kicked us all out of our caves? Good times.
- bizkit00, on 06/07/2008, -1/+19Being racist doesn't really help me empathize with you... :(
- Valshak, on 06/07/2008, -6/+28What a disgraceful and disgusting bit of history.
- binderskagnaes, on 06/07/2008, -18/+11"cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping."
Isn't that a normal thing to do about just about anything in the US?
Go on, digg me down... - bincoder, on 06/07/2008, -12/+9Israel, Palestine, or -insert favorite foreign country here-
These people are all about control and have nonstop issues with their wars that happened a billion years ago.
If they want to make neverending war with each other, let them.
Frankly, if they are not US citizens, I could care less about their policies. Notice how the jews and arabs are both getting out of their own countries to live anywhere but there. Nobody likes to be dictated to by any group or individual, something the israeli leadership doesn't understand. Same for the arabs, and socialistic 'democracies'.
America was formed to get out from under such BS. We declared war on Britain to do so and nuked Japan to remain so.
Time to stop being a puppet for the rest of the world again and show something called leadership.- gforce051, on 06/07/2008, -3/+2I learned in school that we nuked Japan so they could invent Pokemon and Nintendo.
- stargatesteve, on 06/07/2008, -16/+18let me just start by saying that I _do not_ support an alliance with israel.
may I just point out the stupidity of sending a new, secret ship into or near the territory of a country fighting for its life, not telling them, and then bitching about how the ship was attacked? This is akin to me running around when a SWAT team is breaking into something. If you play with fire, you're gonna get burned. If someone were breaking into your house, you might just get a little trigger happy, and that is just what israel did. I find it difficult to blame them.- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -8/+7What are you babbling about son? Israel was the aggressor in the six day war and they ended up capturing the west bank. They were engaged in an imperialistic expansion of their territory.
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -6/+8Apparently you think it is okay for a country to blockade your country and move the majority of their troops along your border.
- skaag, on 06/08/2008, -2/+6You should get your facts straight, obviously what you said is ***** - military intelligence of the time were absolutely right on the dollar to initiate that attack, the fact that Israel captured additional land was a side effect.
- 140Suffolk, on 06/08/2008, -2/+5Right. The truth is, Israel was attacked by 5 rabid Arab armies. Blockading your ships and bringing troops up to your border is considered a declaration of war.
By some miracle Israel won and advanced. Taking a few miserable acres: The West Bank from Jordan. Gaza from Egypt. And the Golan from Syria.
Ever since then, the Arabs have been whining about it. Hey, that's what happens when you attack your peaceful neighbors and lose!
Waaa Waaa. We want our land back.
Waa Waa! We didn't know we were playing for keeps!- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Seriously, you stupid arab countries cry about losing your land to Israel, then ask the US for money so you can try again.
- stargatesteve, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1study history much? most of the middle east and eurasia was focusing their armies on Israel's borders. If someone pulled a gun out and pointed it at you, you would most certainly react in some way. same thing here.
- 140Suffolk, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1In addition, the rhetoric in the Arab nations prior to the 6 Day War was extremely bloodthirsty. It was clear that they intended to kill ALL the Jews that they got their hands on.
- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -8/+7What are you babbling about son? Israel was the aggressor in the six day war and they ended up capturing the west bank. They were engaged in an imperialistic expansion of their territory.
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That's funny, cause I've heard all these stories for years that Americans have been doing it since World War II.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Friendl ...- Derelict267, on 06/07/2008, -7/+12How dare you bring facts into this argument.
- zerocool1990, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Yeah because when you're at war you fire you fire with a blindfold on your eyes.
Give me a break. So some assholes fired without Identifying there target and that makes it ok for everyone else to shoot at anything they see?
- zerocool1990, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Yeah because when you're at war you fire you fire with a blindfold on your eyes.
- Naieve, on 06/08/2008, -5/+6More Facts. From your own link btw.
"1914-1918 – World War I: The French have estimated that more than 75,000 French soldiers were casualties of friendly artillery in the four years of World War I.[8]
1939
6 September - Just days after the start of World War II, in what was dubbed the Battle of Barking Creek, an RAF Spitfire squadron shot down two reserve Hurricane aircraft. One of the Hurricane pilots was killed.
10 September British submarine HMS Triton sank another British submarine, HMS Oxley, mistaking it for a German U-boat and having received no responses to challenges. Oxley was the first Royal Navy vessel to be sunk and also the first vessel to be sunk by a British vessel in the war.
1941
Fleet Air Arm torpedo attack on HMS Sheffield during the hunt for the German battleship Bismarck
RAF fighter ace Wing Commander Douglas Bader shot down in what recent research suggests was a friendly fire incident.[10]
1942 - Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb was mistakenly sunk by British destroyer HMS St. Albans and minesweeper HMS Seagull.
1944
British flotilla attacked by RAF Hawker Typhoons, off Cap d'Antifer, Le Havre. HMS Britomart and HMS Hussar sunk. HMS Salamander damaged beyond repair and scrapped. HMS Jason escaped major damage.
Operation Wintergewitter (Winter Storm) - Italian Front: American forward observer John R. Fox called down fire on his own position to stop a German advance on the town of Sommocolonia, Italy. In 1997 he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for this action.
1956 - Suez: Attacks from British Royal Navy carrier-borne aircraft caused heavy casualties to UK 45 Commando and HQ.
1982
HMS Cardiff shoots down AAC Gazelle (UK) in the Falklands Islands.
3rd Battalion, Parachute Regiment, British Army (UK) Companies A and C engage each other in an hour-long firefight in the Falkland Islands involving heavy weapons and artillery strikes. At least 8 UK casualties.[citation needed]
United Kingdom UK Special Boat Service Commando killed in firefight with UK Special Air Service Commandos. Falkland Islands.[citation needed]"
FYI, "friendly fire" increases with the number of your forces present.
The fact is we simply have FAR more forces.
I wonder how many of the people involved in the incidents from your Wiki site knowingly attacked friendly or allied forces?
- Derelict267, on 06/07/2008, -7/+12How dare you bring facts into this argument.
- thecatcantalk, on 06/07/2008, -19/+43I'm sorry, but isn't considering one's ethnic group to be a "chosen people" the very essence of racism?
Hmm...mythical "homeland" justifying the most extraordinary warlike viciousness toward one's neighbors, conviction that one is part of "a chosen people" destined to rule over all other ethnic groups in a large region, mandatory military service for girls and boys, preceded by early indoctrination/military training for children, Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children for target practice, wholesale displacement/slaughter of disliked ethnic groups...how is Israel different from Germany in 1939, exactly? What's different?
Of course, anyone who notices the disturbing similarities is "just like Hitler". Yeah, right. Whatever.- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -17/+8Wow, you are so stupid. Jews don't believe that as the "chosen people" they are superior. Jews believe that you don't have to be Jewish to be righteous, unlike Muslims and Christians. Just look at the Book of Jonah.
"mythical "homeland" justifying the most extraordinary warlike viciousness toward one's neighbors"
-------- Are you denying that the Jews have any connection to Israel? Are you forgetting that when Israel declared independence, the Arabs wanted to exterminate them? And the rest is half truths and 100% retard. - motech, on 06/07/2008, -16/+6the jews use muslim children for target practice?
where do you see that!?!?!
what about muslims blowing themselves up just to take out as many people as they can . .
did israel cheer when the twin towers fell?
no . .
who did?
muslims....- zombies187, on 06/08/2008, -6/+8Actually Mosad agents were caught celebrating 911.
- monsieurginger, on 06/08/2008, -3/+4Proof?
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1Proof?
- zombies187, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1Look guys, I don't think links to news sites are proof any more than you do. Heres the thing: Its perfectly logical that Israel is glad we are so passionate about warring on the middle east. It would be weird if they didn't want us attacking muslim countries. What kind of sense would that make?
- jaymzdean, on 06/08/2008, -6/+7Actually, you might want to go back and check the record.
It WAS the Zionists who were cheering on 9.11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEenyyiQGGQ&feature ...- monsieurginger, on 06/08/2008, -4/+3More ***** from the asses of the troofers.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2They werent ***** Mosad Agents. These people don't ***** represent Israel just because they are from Israel
- zombies187, on 06/08/2008, -6/+8Actually Mosad agents were caught celebrating 911.
- 21Chucks, on 06/08/2008, -1/+3Believing that most Jews feel superior as "the chosen people" or even believe they are "the chosen people" is a massive misconception. This is a viewpoint held only by the extreme right in Israel, which contrary to what you may believe, is the minority. Many Israelis are secular, and most have modern view points. Anti-Zionism in many places has grown to fad-status, with misguided people believing they are "informed" because they read some news articles. One has to experience Israel themselves to have the full picture painted.
Now this isn't to say Israel is infallible, they have made mistakes a plenty, but it isn't quite as simple as people make it out to be. In this case, a vocal minority in Israel is sending the wrong message and we need to get our facts straight.- gerbil20, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2Actually that's ***** you are saying. Jews do believe they are chosen. They do *not* believe it makes them superior, just that it puts more responsibility on their shoulders. According to judaism, gentiles are to observe 7 laws of noahides to be righteous (thou shalt not steal, etc). Jews to consider themselves righteous need to observe 612 laws. Sounds like a major headache to me. If anything they bemoan the fact that their chosennes have brought them so many troubles.
- 21Chucks, on 06/08/2008, -0/+3And are you, the person who is saying this, actually Jewish? I know I am. Jews practice their 613 (not 612) laws because those are the laws of their religion, plain and simple. Obviously Jews believe they should have their own set of laws, otherwise there would be nothing to distinguish them. All religions do this. Many Jews believe the idea of "a chosen people" is archaic and outdated. If you knew anything about the common practicing Jew you would know that he/she does not scrutinize each law and practice specifically what it advises, rather derives a general theme and practices the most important.
- gerbil20, on 06/08/2008, -2/+1Ok, 613. My bad. I keep forgetting about that rather obscure commandment regarding the pigeons (Deut. 22:6.7).
- chrisjj, on 06/08/2008, -1/+3Your naivety is astounding. If most Israelis 'are secular and have modern viewpoints', please explain why they have not voted out their right-wing militaristic leaders and have not insisted that there be a fair and just settlement with the Palestinians? Please explain also why only a minority of young Israelis have refused to serve in the IDF in the occupied territories Please explain why the majority of Israelis want to see a forced expulsion of Israeli Arabs from Israel. Please explain why Israeli law discriminates in favor of Jewish over Arab citizens? I can go on, but you get my point...
- 21Chucks, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1Before reading this please understand I sympathize with and support BOTH sides, I'm just annoyed with all this bias.
Look Israelis have no agenda against Arabs. Jews and Arabs have lived in peace with one another for centuries. Yet ever since the world's Jews were granted the state of Israel, we have come under constant attack, not initiated it ourselves. Israel wants peace and has gone to great lengths to achieve it (numerous peace agreements and land grants). But when open borders means constant suicide bombing, when granting Gaza means a never-ending barrage of missiles, what should Israelis think, how should they respond? If you gave a parrot a cracker and it bit you, would you give it another? It's a ridiculous analogy, but you must see what I mean.
Your mindset it biased. I understand that Palestinians view that their land was taken in an unjust manner, and I sympathize. I do believe that Israel's efforts to protect itself have often been overzealous, and that they have poorly handled the situation. But a violent response from Palestinians only worsens the situation.
Israelis have voted for pro-peace politicians many times (Yitzhak Rabin? Ariel Sharon who in his later days left the Gaza strip, and made plans to grant the West Bank as well). All many citizens want is peace and an agreement with the Palestinians -once again a vocal minority distorts your view of the truth. Not serving in the IDF is illegal without the proper excuse, young Israelis who don't refuse to join the army, simply see it as serving their term and being done with it, many are not stationed in the field in 'occupied territories'. "Please explain why the majority of Israelis want to see a forced expulsion of Israeli Arabs from Israel." -Show me your source. Israel does not discriminate against Arabs. It seeks to offer some benefits to Jews as Israel was intended to be a Jewish state. - USNavyBlue, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2In addition to spitting in the faces of Christians, Burning the New Testament, arresting Christians for spreading the word of the Lord, disallowing non-Jewish/Jewish marriages, spitting and cursing when passing Christan churches and graves! Yep Israel is a real "democracy." /sarcasm roll eyes.
- chrisjj, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1@21Chucks
You talk about 'Open Borders' but there have never been open borders - in fact Israel has never formally proclaimed the 'Green Line' as a border. Israel has consistently demonstrated a level of belligerence that has led to this situation. All I'm suggesting is that Israelis acknowledge and atone for the violence meted out against the indigenous peoples when Israel was formed in 1948 , and again in the 1967 war, and ever since. All civilized progressive nations eventually recognize, celebrate, and compensate the minority ethnic groups within their societies. We have seen no such humility from the Israeli population - no doubt due to a less-than-honest education system that promotes xenophobic, exclusive and jingoistic attitudes. As for the treatment of Arabs as second class citizens within Israel proper, there are many documented instances such as not allowing mixed marriages, restriction of movement and pass laws. I suggest you read Jonathan Cook's book 'Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State'. I think the fact that Jewishness has privileged status in Israel is all part of the problem. Britain has an official religious establishment (The Church of England) built into its institutions but this is now only a ceremonial and religious tradition with all faiths and ethnicities receiving equal treatment under the law. And we all know how the Constitution of the USA eventually triumphed over slavery and brought civil rights to blacks in the face of social prejudice. Likewise, it's time Israel actually created its own Constitution and started to model its civil discourse on that of its greatest benefactor, the USA.
- 21Chucks, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1Before reading this please understand I sympathize with and support BOTH sides, I'm just annoyed with all this bias.
- gerbil20, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2Actually that's ***** you are saying. Jews do believe they are chosen. They do *not* believe it makes them superior, just that it puts more responsibility on their shoulders. According to judaism, gentiles are to observe 7 laws of noahides to be righteous (thou shalt not steal, etc). Jews to consider themselves righteous need to observe 612 laws. Sounds like a major headache to me. If anything they bemoan the fact that their chosennes have brought them so many troubles.
- toowired77, on 06/10/2008, -0/+0Jews are not an ethnic group. They might have common ancestors, but this does not make them an ethnic group. If you are against the "chosen people" concept, why don't you take it up with Evangelicals who are preaching that concept everyday. Jews being chosen has legitimized Jesus and all the other prophets. Their writings have helped shape this so called "western civi (lie) zation".
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -17/+8Wow, you are so stupid. Jews don't believe that as the "chosen people" they are superior. Jews believe that you don't have to be Jewish to be righteous, unlike Muslims and Christians. Just look at the Book of Jonah.
- biofreak12, on 06/07/2008, -23/+13I am sick of this *****. Look around, even today troops making mistakes, killing their own. and 40 years ago, the army wasn't even close to be as sophisticated as it today.
I am sick of all these pro Gaza strip assholes. Instead of trying to educate that nation, and use the money they are given all the time for the better use, they spend it to attack Israel, and then they cry, when Israel comes after them.
If there would be no 6 days war, there wouldn't be any misguided fire and killed US troops. So to blame here is whoever attacked Israel.
Talk sense for once people.- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -7/+3hear hear!
- kprasad, on 06/07/2008, -2/+6did you read the article?
- beatpre, on 06/07/2008, -3/+3ha, i was wondering the same thing....
- tpaz, on 06/07/2008, -5/+1where did you get this kind of twisted-minded info like "Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children for training" ?. you probably live in an Arab country where the media is saying everything but the truth. It's funny some time I watch these programs on Arab channels. how can such channels be "free and democratic" or taken seriously at all while their hosts are far away from being a democracy (not to mention their owners, if it isn't the government itself).
Maybe you'll be surprised to know that there are over Million Israeli Arabs who are proud they live in Israel since they have real freedom and they will never move to any Arab country around.
Actually it is a famous saying that Palestinians wish to deal with Jewish soldiers rather than Drooze (Arabs) ones since the Jew soldiers have compassion.
It is also known that Palestinians at West Bank hate those in Gaza and that all Arabs around Israel hate Palestinians all together ("trouble makers"). No wonder they Never gave them anything even though they stay for Decades in refugee camps all over the middle east. where is all Arab money ?!?!? just Hippocrates that is!
This is the truth behind all this hate towards Israel. it is always easy for Dictator regimes to look for an outsider to blame for all problems rather than accept criticism from within.
A Classic example you can see in both Iraq when Sadam ruled there and Iran these days... - catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -3/+2this comment should have +100 diggs, it sickens me that your comment has been buried
- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -7/+3hear hear!
- welk, on 06/07/2008, -19/+7I'll get dug down for saying this, but in the whole scheme of things 34 deaths is pretty insignificant. 100's (1000's?) die every day in pointless wars all over the world, maybe people should try to stop those rather than trying to start new ones.
- kh99, on 06/07/2008, -11/+4Apparently some anti-Israel group organized themselves to digg this story (which is titled "New Revelations..." when it's a story from 6 months ago). A 40 year old incident is the best thing they can come up with? This is all pretty pathetic - bury it so we don't have to look at it any more.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/07/2008, -3/+7"so we don't have to look at it any more."
Ah, so that's what all this ridiculous apologist rhetoric comes down to - you guys just want to be able to sleep at night! Well, that's the most human thing I've heard out of some of the IDF's apologists yet. - Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -3/+4There is that small matter of TRUTH AND JUSTICE. But I'm guessing you're the type that dispenses with such irritations when its politically expedient.
- kh99, on 06/07/2008, -4/+3I don't even know what IDF's means. This is 40 years ago, you morons. Way past time to stop hating. Except this isn't about that incident, is it? It's too bad you people can't even be straightforward about what you're really trying to do. Pathetic cowards.
- bjornski, on 06/07/2008, -2/+4If you don't know what IDF means, you're talking about ***** you don't know, in a topic you're unprepared to deal with.
Go run along and play your Xbox now. - jaymzdean, on 06/08/2008, -1/+3Justice would be that every person who wants to sweep this under the rug lost a father that day.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1Truth and Justice has already been served. Israel had admitted this horrible incident was an accident. Except you think there is more to this, but there simply isn't.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/07/2008, -3/+7"so we don't have to look at it any more."
- kh99, on 06/07/2008, -11/+4Apparently some anti-Israel group organized themselves to digg this story (which is titled "New Revelations..." when it's a story from 6 months ago). A 40 year old incident is the best thing they can come up with? This is all pretty pathetic - bury it so we don't have to look at it any more.
- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -24/+14Why is Israel jumped on whenever they do something in their country's defense? No other country in the world is looked at under the microscope that Israel is!
- dubdope, on 06/07/2008, -4/+13because america is supporting them both politically and economically while they break numerous international laws.
- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -10/+6America supports them because they are the only democracy in the middle east and therefore an important ally. As well- they have contributed numerous technical and medical accomplishments to the world.
I love the US, but in regards to the "numerous international laws" that they are breaking, take a look at the US. Also, the countries that are attacking them are breaking many more international laws than they are!- kprasad, on 06/07/2008, -3/+4yeah but israel gets subsidized by US taxpayers and future US taxpayers. its crap that we have to support them.
- Mechanicat, on 06/07/2008, -2/+4They aren't the only democracy in the middle east? That is a lie! Don't you remember all the Boolahoo when Hamas democratically won the parliamentary elections a while back?
- monsieurginger, on 06/07/2008, -2/+3And look at what Hamas done since winning election?
- catchbar, on 06/08/2008, -2/+1A very valid point. Hamas' victory is a difficult situation. The simple fact is, that it was not a fair and open election. Hamas only ran against the PLO, a group that had not helped out the Palestinians at all.
The problem with both Palestinian governments is that they refuse to build up their infrastructure with the aid money they receive. Instead, the leaders use the funds for bombs and guns. They do not have their people's interest at heart, instead, only yearn for the destruction of Israel. - Mechanicat, on 06/08/2008, -0/+4Catchbar: Actually according to the Carter insitute the elections were fair. You're going to have to provide evidence that it wasn't fair. Just because Hamas ran against the PLO doesn't invalidate the results. That is just desperate handwaving.
monsieurginger : I'm not the one that's justifiying America's close alliance with Israel because of Israel's status as a democracy. The fact is Palestine is also democracy as demonstrated by the last elections, so that justification doesn't fly. - cdzrom100, on 06/08/2008, -2/+2Hamas?! A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT??
man i didn't realize you guys were that clueless. - Mechanicat, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Just because you're an ignorant ***** doesn't make me clueless. FYI, the Current Palestinian government was democratically elected, fact. That makes them a democracy.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -2/+1Well, you guys still havent disagreed that these other countries arent breaking international laws like Israel. And you do realize Israel had a war of independence in 1948 and fairly beat jordan, egypt, syria, and the palestinians themselves in that war (4v1) . Israel still won. Now they are one of the strongest countries in the world, the strongest in the middle east, are top developers of technology in this world. They just are so much more important to the world than those other countries no offense. And don't you idiotic people realize that Israel NEEDS TO BE OUR ***** ALLY. WE DONT HAVE ANY ANY MORE (worth mentioning) EXCEPT ENGLAND.
- catchbar, on 06/07/2008, -10/+6America supports them because they are the only democracy in the middle east and therefore an important ally. As well- they have contributed numerous technical and medical accomplishments to the world.
- gavin422, on 06/07/2008, -9/+4Israel is often held to a higher standard (which they don't always meet because it's so high) because they need to prove their legitimacy. Their state was carved out of a bunch of hostile states by decree. I'm not passing judgment on the legitimacy of Israel, but they do have to prove themselves.
- catchbar, on 06/08/2008, -3/+2I agree with this comment to a degree, but look at all of the amazing things that Israel has done. They will never be able to prove themselves to the Arab countries around them that call for their destruction. Yet, they have managed to have a global social responsibility that many countries with greater power seem to lack.
I'm not saying that everything that Israel has done is perfect, but I challenge you to find a single country in the world that is.
- catchbar, on 06/08/2008, -3/+2I agree with this comment to a degree, but look at all of the amazing things that Israel has done. They will never be able to prove themselves to the Arab countries around them that call for their destruction. Yet, they have managed to have a global social responsibility that many countries with greater power seem to lack.
- dubdope, on 06/07/2008, -4/+13because america is supporting them both politically and economically while they break numerous international laws.
- ag1975, on 06/07/2008, -11/+16Im not sure the US has the best record with respect to 'friendly fire'- I dont know how well reported it was in the US but quite a number of british soldiers have been killed in recent years by american troops, sometimes in totally avoidable incidents. So im not totally sure i understand the total anger here - sadness yes, but anger seems misplaced.
- kadhumiaflo, on 06/07/2008, -6/+5The anger is due to the evidence that Israel knew who they were shooting.
- catcher6250, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1Except for the fact that they didn't.
- RationalXubrnce, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5 But were not talking about an accident were talking about an on purpose.
- ag1975, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5oh right sorry i hadnt realised you were mental cases. apologies.
Actually, whos to say the British troops were killed by accident? Perhaps the american soldiers were secret al-quaida sympathisers. Or maybe they still bore a grudge from the war of independence.- akamurph, on 06/08/2008, -5/+2You are a ***** sir. I don't see American bombers sinking UK ships --> please point me to where I missed that. Most of the UK deaths by Americans have been soldiers on the ground and American planes killing them confusing them with the enemy.
- ag1975, on 06/08/2008, -0/+4It all comes down to the same thing though - ship or tank.. doesnt make much difference to the poor sod that gets blown up by his own side, 'sir'.
- Naieve, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1Yes, but do you have numerous sources who have seen transcripts proving the fact?
- ag1975, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5oh right sorry i hadnt realised you were mental cases. apologies.
- Naieve, on 06/08/2008, -1/+5"1914-1918 – World War I: The French have estimated that more than 75,000 French soldiers were casualties of friendly artillery in the four years of World War I.[8]
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6 September - Just days after the start of World War II, in what was dubbed the Battle of Barking Creek, an RAF Spitfire squadron shot down two reserve Hurricane aircraft. One of the Hurricane pilots was killed.
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- kadhumiaflo, on 06/07/2008, -6/+5The anger is due to the evidence that Israel knew who they were shooting.