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- Canadianinjapan, on 07/13/2009, -12/+124you could charge him with a 50,000 counts of murder. It still won't make any difference. The guy is 89.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -3/+61Kinda like beating at dead horse after this is it not?
""_ 1993: Israel's Supreme Court rules 5-0 that Demjanjuk was not "Ivan the Terrible."" - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+59AP Timeline: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5 ...
_ 1920: Born in Ukraine.
_ 1942: Captured by German forces while serving in the Soviet Red Army.
_ 1952: Demjanjuk emigrates to United States, claims to have spent much of World War II in a German prisoner of war camp. Gains U.S. citizenship in 1958.
_ 1977: Justice Department seeks to revoke U.S. citizenship, alleging Demjanjuk hid past as Nazi death camp guard "Ivan the Terrible."
_ 1981: Citizenship revoked.
_ 1986: Extradited to Israel for trial over his alleged role at Treblinka.
_ 1988: Demjanjuk sentenced to death after being found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
_ 1993: Israel's Supreme Court rules 5-0 that Demjanjuk was not "Ivan the Terrible."
_ 1998: Regains U.S. citizenship.
_ 1999: U.S. Justice Dept. files civil complaint against Demjanjuk claiming he served as a guard at the Sobibor and Majdanek camps in occupied Poland and of being a member of an SS unit.
_ 2002: Demjanjuk's U.S. citizenship stripped for second time.
_ 2005: U.S. immigration judge says Demjanjuk can be deported to Germany, Poland or Ukraine.
_ March 11, 2009: German prosecutors issue arrest against Demjanjuk accusing of 29,000 counts of accessory to murder and say they will seek deportation from U.S.
_ March 24, 2009: U.S. officials confirm they've asked Germany for travel documents needed to deport Demjanjuk.
_ April 14, 2009: Immigration officers remove Demjanjuk from his home to federal custody in Cleveland; 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals grants emergency stay of deportation and federal immigration authorities release Demjanjuk from custody.
_ May 1, 2009: 6th Circuit revokes emergency stay, denies additional stay of deportation.
_ May 7, 2009: U.S. Supreme Court judge decides not to hear Demjanjuk's appeal, clearing way for deportation to Germany.
_ May 8, 2009: Immigration officials serve Demjanjuk notice to surrender.
_ May 11, 2009: Berlin court rejects appeal seeking to stop deportation; Demjanjuk leaves home by ambulance and is deported to Germany from a Cleveland airport.
_ May 12, 2009: Demjanjuk arrives in Munich and is transferred to Stadelheim prison where a judge reads his arrest warrant.
_ July 3, 2009: Demjanjuk deemed fit to stand trial though his time in court must not exceed two 90-minute sessions daily.
_ July 13, 2009: Prosecutors formally charge Demjanjuk with 27,900 counts of being an accessory to murder. - EoNhausen, on 07/13/2009, -22/+77This is retarded, the dude is 89 years old. Prosecutors are wasting peoples time and money.
- therealweenis, on 07/13/2009, -3/+58At least it wasn't 27,901.
- oldhick, on 07/13/2009, -9/+60We set up gas chambers and tried to commit genocide of the Iraqi people?
- rangah, on 07/13/2009, -7/+55I don't think this is right.
So if he was a guard in a nazi concentration camp - what was he supposed to do? Be a deserter and be killed?
Say "Gee, mister hitler, we shouldn't be killin these jews!" "Oh, you're right! My bad!"
So in 10 years are US soldiers going to be arrested and deported for working in guantanamo bay?
War sucks for everyone. - twiztidsinz, on 07/13/2009, -3/+46...and one clown.
- KaivenTor, on 07/13/2009, -5/+44The more I read about this, the more of a farce it seems to be. The man was tried in Israel and eventually found innocent. But they just keep going and going looking for a target. Did he murder people? We don't know. No concrete evidence seems to have popped up, they tried pinning him to one camp and when that didn't work, they just pinned him to another.
I don't know what sort of justice they're hoping for, this is a waste of resources about a war that's been over for decades. And personally, this guy doesn't strike me as the "evil super villain" type they're trying to paint him as. Call me crazy, but there's something off about this trial. - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -1/+36"The primary requirement for being a War Criminal is to be on the losing side."
-Trevanian - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -6/+40So basically he didn't do anything.
Great... - Bondheli, on 07/13/2009, -7/+41So THAT'S the guy that did it
- borez, on 07/13/2009, -32/+64People need to drop this *****, a lot of innocent people died ( including my Great Granddad) in WW2. Trying an 89 yr old ain't gonna make it any better.
- m0tbaillie, on 07/13/2009, -3/+35I read the article, and I'm not understanding something. He says he was captured by the Nazis and held as a POW while fighting for the Red Army because he's Ukranian. The "Nazi Hunter" and "everybody else" says he helped murder tons of Jews at Sobibor.
So, is there any actual evidence here or is it all just hearsay and 65-year old documents? I'm all for justice when justice is due, but the man's ***** 89 years old and already has disease and cancer out the ass, what good's sitting in a courtroom on trial if there's barely any damning evidence to be had going to be? - Sideshowslob, on 07/13/2009, -0/+32Inaccurate title. 27,900 counts of being an accessory to murder.
Phew, at least he was only an accessory to murder. - DankBuddz, on 07/13/2009, -1/+31So choose to follow orders and be charged for it in the future, or choose not to follow orders and be shot for sedition.
Maybe they should just call it in the wrong place at the wrong time. - faskippy, on 07/13/2009, -0/+28Didn't know you could go from being a POW to being a guard for your captors.
- m0tbaillie, on 07/13/2009, -0/+28Upon further reading (on Wikipedia) it looks like they're really just trying to pin the old guy with anything. They've got empty "roles" that real bad dudes filled and they need someone who *could* have been there during that timeframe to fill said roll. They thought he may have been at Treblinka, they thought he may have been at Sobibor. He may have done this, may have done that. He "might" have been the ***** Staypuft man for all we know.
Where's the hard, compelling evidence? The answer is that it doesn't exist, if it did, three different countries wouldn't still be trying to dick the old man 40+ years later (since the 70s). - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -3/+31it is over 9000 though.
- dwaxe, on 07/13/2009, -4/+30Ah, the Nuremburg defense.
- burketo, on 07/13/2009, -6/+26he has only been charged.
Seriously, how moronic is it to talk about justice and then in the same breath assume he is guilty before he is even tried? You are a ***** idiot. - protogenxl, on 07/13/2009, -1/+19Is it Safe?
- Hetman, on 07/13/2009, -13/+31That is a lame excuse. This is the reason we still see torturers today. They were just following orders. That does not make it right.
- ultraseamus, on 07/13/2009, -2/+19Beat me to it. People seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the atrocities committed by the Nazis, and the mistakes made by the US in this war.
- EndAntiSemitism, on 07/13/2009, -4/+21The Nuremburg defense? That is sooo 1946...
- mbtria, on 07/13/2009, -3/+19First it was proved he was killing in one place, then it was proved that he was killing people in another place at the same time. A man who can kill mass numbers of people in two places at the same time is truly a horrible man. /sarcasm
The crime here is what is being done to Demjanjuk. People want blood here, and unfortunately they will get it. This poor guy has been railroaded enough. Forged documents, ridiculous witnesses and truly sordid forensics have been employed to hound this man unmercifully. Nazi hunters will still be finding live Nazis in 2100. - muleskinner, on 07/13/2009, -12/+28No, it wont make it better. Its all about accountability. I think this is a good thing actually, to try the man at this time. It just goes to show that no matter how much time passes, people can and will be held accountable for their actions.
- nicksource, on 07/13/2009, -16/+32An accessory to murder? Are you kidding me?
So if Bush is slammed for the Iraq war, does that mean every soldier who has killed an insurgent immediately becomes a murderer and should be prosecuted too?
Sure we are talking about a difference of thousands but the point still stands. - punkcat, on 07/13/2009, -1/+17to finish the joke,
see no one cares about the jews but as soon as someone kills a clown people start questioning it. - GamerXR72, on 07/13/2009, -2/+18Accountable to being taken as a POW?
This whole thing reeks of a witch hunt. - GamerXR72, on 07/13/2009, -0/+15Maybe you need to learn what conscription means.
- borez, on 07/13/2009, -3/+17 Accountability for what? Your own life. Put yourself in that position ( god forbid) and then come back to me with an answer.
- Fudgefactor7, on 07/13/2009, -1/+15I remember when his first trial came up, there were old Jews pointing at him claiming how they were *certain* he was "Ivan The Terrible" and they could never forget his face. Then there were all these documents with detailed information about the real "Ivan"...and their eye colors didn't match.
That's one of the reasons he was acquitted of being "Ivan", and why you simply cannot trust so-called eye-witness testimony 50+ years later--people forget, go senile, or make ***** up.
This guy was not the guard they were *certain* he was; but they gotta find something to justify all the wasted time....so they kept looking and--lo and behold! They found a Sobibor guard instead. Whodathunkit?
As far as I am concerned, this should be the final Nazi trial. After this, there aren't enough living witnesses and you can't trust what's being told. Should the Nazis be prosecuted? You bet, but they should have completed all of this no later than 1950. There is no reason why this should drag on so long. - minnecrapolis, on 07/13/2009, -0/+14It's true. I saw it on Hogan's Heroes.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+16And what does the Iraq war have to do with this?
- AndrewSnook, on 07/13/2009, -2/+15IT'S OVER 9000!!!
- rrife, on 07/13/2009, -1/+13If he was a pro football player that might be enough for a full year in prison and some probation time.
- serif69, on 07/13/2009, -2/+14WHAT 9000?!
- DankBuddz, on 07/13/2009, -1/+13How does none of this surprise me?
- jonglebeats, on 07/13/2009, -2/+14Protip: There were people other than Jews killed.
- frieddonuts, on 07/13/2009, -5/+16I am a liberal. I despised the actions of the Bush administration. But comparing their manipulation of post-911 hysteria to the Nazis' systematic and premeditated slaughter of the Jewish people is historically inaccurate and dilutes Hitler's truly evil intentions.
- AoiTakuma, on 07/13/2009, -7/+18There is a huge difference between systematically gassing and burning thousands of men, women and children and shooting people that are shooting at you. Did you really need that explained?
- GamerXR72, on 07/13/2009, -0/+11Yea ***** a fair trial and just shoot him in the head, am i rite? Everyone knows he did it because like, he was there man. He saw the whole thing.
- BudIcer, on 07/13/2009, -0/+11Why the clown?
- TheDigitalBug, on 07/13/2009, -1/+11Are you sure?
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -7/+17Charged for killing 27,900 people when he was only GUARDING as a PoW?
Utter *****.
And besides, he's 89 years old, *****'s sake people... - Greengoo, on 07/13/2009, -1/+11Precaution... He was acting funny.
- TrevorPace, on 07/13/2009, -0/+10Actually Germany doesn't have the death penalty so I don't see that happening. I agree that they are trying to make a point though.
- ammundsen, on 07/13/2009, -2/+11It will be interesting to see what happens when they cant accuse anyone of being a Nazi anymore. The Holocaust is a big asset for Israel as it gives justification, to some, for its criminal acts of removing people from their land, much as the Nazis did.
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