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NY Police Report Bomb to Frame Activist as Terrorist (CAUGHT ON VIDEO)

jonesreport.com — Two persons identifying themselves as New York police officers interrupted a 9/11 Truth demonstration-- on a public sidewalk in front of the new WTC 7 Building-- to intimidate free speech, stating "Larry [Silverstein] doesn't want to hear it," before accusing We Are Change founder Luke Rudkowski of having a bomb and that his cell phone was "a gun."

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  • thunkerdrone, on 10/12/2007, -14/+273- the guys who filed the false police report should be arrested, charged with public mischief, sued, and convicted in court of law for harassment
    and uttering threats.

    - the cops who made the false arrest should be fired and sued in court.

    • dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -28/+115welcome to the police state
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2235455191538141308&q=police+state+3&hl=en
    • SuperMoses, on 10/12/2007, -40/+76I don't understand why people get angered by conspiracy theorists. If you don't believe them, that's fine, but your beliefs aren't supported by any more evidence than theirs are. The whole thing requires further investigation before anyone can draw any conclusions. I prefer to stick by Ockham's razor for the time being.
    • InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -29/+198Hey monolith,

      If you're willing to overlook police abuses against those you disagree with, I've got a newsflash for you: You're a fascist pig who's contributing to the downfall of the American Way.

      Go crawl in a hole.
    • jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -86/+23Notice the other video on this groups website is of a woman whose constitutional rights were violated because they asked her to show a form of ID at a police checkpoint...wow, what a police state, we have to show police our IDs now? How would she like it if a child molester was driving through her town, with a warrant out for his arrest, and the police did not do anything because when he was stopped, he did not have a form of id, and they couldnt hold him for that reason. Sure, these officers are idiots, and are destroying our rights, but dont let these groups fool you, they spin it as much as anyone else.
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -11/+152@Monolith2

      Yeah, they're truthers. Personally I disagree with them, but they have a right to believe it, and try to convince other people.

      What these officers have done is abuse their power. They are framing someone for the sole purpose of shutting him up. They've suppressed this man's right to free speech, in a way meant to intimidate others. That is exactly the kind of action that takes place in a police state.
    • DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -55/+17EVER SEE A PIG COP DO A 'GOOD DEED'?

      LOL, neither have I. They sit around all day on their fat Krispy Kreme asses, sipping coffee, and surfing the internet in their overpriced pig-mobiles. Of course they make sure to get their quota of pointless tickets each month too.

      In an economy that offers little in the way of 'rewarding, satisfying work', and which provides long-term employability and 'economic stability' because it can't be 'outsourced', a career in 'law enforcement' is an attractive option - especially for the many who can't afford college.
      This invariably results in the ranks of law enforcement being filled by those who are 'poorly educated', raised on violence and a culture of confrontation.

      Put another way; most people who aspire to a career in law enforcement are 'bottom of the barrel' these days.
      Not terribly bright...not talented enough to play sports professionally, and not inclined to work at a job that's not 'glamorous'...so they end up as 'professional soldiers' or 'professional law enforcement'...the same thing, really...'bullies' who make a living pushing people around, and ocassionally killing them.
    • DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -47/+36""they couldnt hold him for that reason. Sure, these officers are idiots, and are destroying our rights, but dont let these groups fool you, they spin it as much as anyone else.""
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------

      If you have never been in trouble with the law, which is probably most people, or been in their crosshairs, you need doubly listen up and re-read this entire thread over and over again. You are the ripest easiest target for the police because of your inexperience. Pounding this one idea into your head will save you thousands and thousands of dollars in the future and very possibly be the only thing standing between your life as you know it, and the abyss of hell being locked in a concrete box for the rest of your life.

      The folks who say the only thing you have to say to police is "I want my (or a) lawyer", over and over again, are dead on. Get it into your head, the police are not your friend. Pound it into your head. Say absolutely nothing else. Those are the only 4 words you should ever say to the police, and only after they arrest you. If they haven't arrested you, don't say a damn thing to them, not even that, because it implies you feel threatened and need a lawyer. "Sorry, I can't help you." That should cover it.

      If you are saying anything else, even if you are innocent, even if you are just trying to help, even if you are trying to help them catch some other bad guys because you are witness to a crime... don't say anything... you damn very well could find yourself with a 20 year prison sentence. Even if you never confess to a crime, and adamantly state to the contrary, they will be putting together little statements taken out of context they can use to paint you in court as guilty, lacking anything else.

      Never cooperate with police. Never voluntarily interview them. Never try to help them figure out what's going on. Never talk to them. The police are not your friend. The police are out there cruising the streets and hanging on the end of their 911 number and on the end of their radios, looking for a situation to exploit so they can make some bucks and prop up their system. They are trained in pyschological warfare. They will try the good cop routine on you first, pretend to be your friend, and most people will run on at the mouth and blabber like an idiot, because its in human nature to be helpful, or to be fearful of police brutality.

      Learn from me. I was such a fool. I tried to be helpful, I cooperated fully, I tried to help them, in fact, I even drove three times to talk to them! The police officier I talked to was very slick at pretending to be my friend, in fact, she testified on the stand that was what she was trained to do. As far as I'm concerned, that's just another form of lying. She didn't need a second "bad cop", she would turn it around all of a sudden and say she didn't believe a word of what I said, and try and put me on the spot to prove I was innoncent. Which is crazy. You shouldn't have to prove you are innocent. And you don't. You will when you are in court, though, because juries are so messed up and wrongly assume you wouldn't be in front of a jury if you weren't guilty. This system has had hundreds of years refining its craft at painting people out to be the devil themselves since the times of the witch burnings in the 1600's, which is where this "whole business of judging people for profit" really took off.

      Why do the police want to put innocent people in jail? They are out to make a buck. Its totally irrelevant to them if you are innnocent or guilty. Every person they put in county jail or prison, earns them for every year, anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 a person / a year. That is a ***** load of money, my friends, and greed does horrible things to people. Judges in the US have gone psycho, with mandatory minimum sentences. The way the judge sees it, if he puts someone in prison 2 years, he'll make his system $50,000... if he gives them 10, that's $300,000. The money all trickles down in a very big way in the form of salaries. Fat salaries for judges, for cops, salaries of the chain for lawyers, and everyone else involved in this judicial and prison complex operation. This are why prisons are busting at the seams, keeping them running at over capacity. Ungodly sentences.

      I would say about 1/3 of the people in prison could be let out today and the world wouldn't be one bit more dangerous. Another 1/3 could be let out and would do just fine if they were given jobs when they got out. And the last 1/3, should stay put because they are hardcore criminals and need serious amounts of therapy. Most people think everyone in prison is that last 1/3, and they are not. They are the ones, however, that make prison a dangerous place to be, and which the criminal justice system holds up to the light to show society to say "look, you need us, these psychos justify our existance and why you have to pay us gobs of money to protect you from them." Its a protection racket just like the mafia runs. Only they don't protect you from anything. They only come in and clean up after the mess, after a crime, to turn a profit off of it.
    • actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -39/+24@ dildooreilly

      So much to respond to, but it all boils down to you are an idiot.
    • DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -36/+22@ actorboy

      Digging me down without a competent rebuttal speaks volumes.

      I take it by that action you have accepted defeat. Thanks
    • Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -33/+27Hi dildo! I'm joining the police academy right after high school is over this year. I can't wait to make a difference by trying to prevent crime and provide protection to the United States of America and the people. I do not judge on race, religion, mental condition or your citizenship status. I know it's cool to hate us and that you might have had a bad experience, but please; We are here to help.
    • actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -23/+30@ dildooreilly

      Only competent statements earn competent rebuttals.
    • Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -30/+20correct me if I am wrong...but I didnt see that the guy was serious at all about the "bomb" (if he was...why would he tell them?)
      And he just seemed like someone off the street....who I am sure got pissed by what the "thruthers" had to say (which was their goal of being in that location correct?)
      Second I didnt see anyone get arrested....looked like they just had to move to another street.
      Third...if this is a "police state" explain how they still have the video tape of said events? (after all a true police state would never allow that to happen)

      conclusion? nothing to see here.....move along.
    • scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -26/+13@SuperMoses: "I don't understand why people get angered by conspiracy theorists. If you don't believe them, that's fine, but your beliefs aren't supported by any more evidence than theirs are."

      That's exactly the point. There is an overabundance of evidence and a perfectly rational explanation as to why all of the towers fell. The people who think otherwise are either ill-informed or they ignore the evidence and continue to "ask" questions for which answers already exist. They never take the time to analyze any evidence you give them, they just ignore it and come up with more questions. Instead of letting evidence guide their understanding of what happened, they start with the premise that the government executed this terrible plot, then take any physical phenomenon which they don't understand as evidence of the conspiracy.

      I get angry at conspiracy theorists for the same reasons I get angry at creation/intelligent design proponents... you mislead the public and you waste the time of the bright people in the country when they have to explain to you why you're retarded.
    • MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27@dilooreily

      a fine statement indeed... ya know... when starguy said it on March 19th in this thread http://digg.com/security/How_Police_Interrogation_Works

      ggthxbye + Google + u = banned for plagarism without citation
    • e36wheelman, on 10/12/2007, -21/+13This article is from the same site who says that the VTech shootings were because of Counter Strike and CIA mind control.

      Seriously. CIA mind control. You have got to be kidding me. And we already know that he didn't play video games.

      http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/190407_cho_mind_control.html
    • kag9000, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7@gir53457 it is the small minority of people like you that end up giving the police a good name. Joking aside, I honestly wish you good luck.
    • skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21jjesusfreak01

      She had a point. Officers must have a reason to pull over a vehicle. They said they stopped her for no good reason. They only said that it was a checkpoint. The only reason to do this would be to look for drunk drivers or a criminal on the loose. In this case she was justified again because they said nothing about her smelling of booze or fitting a description of a suspect. Of course, the tape was edited and cut quite a bit so the whole story might be a bit different.

      They can check the plates for any warrants. So if she was a molester, they would have seen that on her records. They didn't need her ID. Also, I hope you are never falsely accused of child molestation and then harassed by police for the rest of your life. And I believe that child molesters have rights too, even though I could easily imagine myself throttling one to death in a dark alley.

      Her point was valid, that you don't need an ID to drive down the street. Ever heard the term "deine papieren, bitte?" I think she was reminded of the term. Perhaps there was a lot more to the video that was cut out, but I think it's a possibility that you are letting fear govern your logic.

    • dyingtimeishere, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30This ***** has got to stop!
    • Seeker135, on 10/12/2007, -29/+27scoticuss, It is quite obvious that you have done no research into 9-11. You have, apparently, drunk the kool-aid of the "Official Conspiracy Theory", which says that 19 Amateurs with box cutters hijacked planes, penetrated THE MOST HEAVILY GUARDED AIRSPACE IN THE WORLD, WITHOUT TAKING ONE HIT FROM PLANES STATIONED A MATTER OF SECONDS AWAY, OR FROM GROUND-TO-AIR MISSILES (think the Pentagon might just have a few of those aimed at the sky?, HMMMMM?), AFTER MAKING A 290 DEGREE TURN TO HIT THE EMPTY PART OF THE PENTAGON WHICH WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION HAVING BEEN RECENTLY REINFORCED. THE FIRST PLANE HIT THE WTC 45 MINUTES BEFORE THE SECOND PLANE. WHERE WERE THE MOST SOPHISTICATED AIR DEFENCE SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD THEN? I WILL TELL YOU. THEY WERE ORDERED TO STAND DOWN BY DICK CHENEY. THIS WAS REVEALED BY THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AT THE 9-11 HEARINGS. RESEARCH OR STFU.
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -4/+38"you don't need an ID to drive down the street."

      Incorrect. You need a driver's license to operate a vehicle. You don't need an ID to *walk* down the street.

      -jcr

    • AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5@infamousathiest

      While I agree with you that if the article is accurate, something needs to be done, the source of the article seems somewhat suspect to me, atleast as far as being an unbiased source. I'm sure that the police officers involved went to far, but I would like to know what may have been done to provoke them, or what pressure they may have been under to get rid of the demonsrators. My guess would be there were no completely innocent parties involved.
    • AfterbrthTycoon, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1shhh flynzz. Take your logic elsewhere. This is the place for 15 year old boys to sound smart. Also, I'm all for letting the truthers speak their mind. To me its comedy when its not painful watching them make one logical fallacy after another on incomplete facts that are wrongly put together.
    • scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3@those that dugg me down: read seeker135's reply.

      QED, bitches.
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2@SuperMoses
      You're right--we shouldn't get pissed about truthers. I don't. They're free to think whatever the hell they want. Similarly, a protest like this should never be stopped.

      However you are entirely incorrect when you say there's no more evidence for my point of view than theirs. A smattering of out-of-context clips and the opinion of a poorly-trained engineer with an agenda are not evidence.
    • skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"NSResponder: Incorrect. You need a driver's license to operate a vehicle. You don't need an ID to *walk* down the street."

      Correct. However, driving is not a crime and police have no right stopping you if you are not committing a crime, and checkpoints are set up for specific reasons, and this one was not apparently (and doubtfully) setup to check for valid driving credentials. (I say apparently because the video was heavily edited.) When cops pull people over for no reason, cases get thrown out of court, and cops hate when that happens.

      I wonder why a jury of her peers cleared her of charges? I think I'll check into it.
    • TFGeditor, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7The "truthers" are deluded idiots, but those cops are bigger idiots.
    • scuvball, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6Just a couple of points...

      1) Those cops are the bottom of the barrel. They aren't representative of cops in general.
      2) Please don't call cops 'pigs'.
      3) If someone shoves a camera in my face and I ask them to stop, they should stop. If you have to have the camera on, hold it to your hip and record the ground and the conversation, but get it out of my face.
    • mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5I gave a ***** until I saw that it was the tin foil hat brigade stirring up trouble in NY.
    • kjcdude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I totally disagree with the 911 conspiracy.
      But i totally disagree with the way this was handled and no matter who these people are, they are Americans and have every right to do what they did, including filming people in public.
    • Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18"I gave a ***** until I saw that it was the tin foil hat brigade stirring up trouble in NY."

      The tin-foil hat brigade? Oh, you mean the people who have the stones to look beyond the lies fed to them by the corporate-controlled mainstream media...

      In future, just post "Der-h'yuk!", and we'll know what you're trying to say. It'll save your time and ours.
    • godd4242, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@dildooriley
      You've got the basic idea but are shooting blanks when it comes to actual numbers.
      The money paid by taxpayers for every person in jail is around 45k avg., but none of that will ever reach an officers hands. It goes to the companies that run corporate prisons.
      Still, not pleasant, but an important distinction.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Found this little gem on that site... http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/190407_cho_mind_control.html
    • cowabuse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Most likely it as actually an NYPD who first questioned them, I've seen it done before without the cameras.
    • aquadoctorbob, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Can someone enlighten me as to why gir53457 is being dugg down? Surely we're above that "all cops are bad" groupthink crap.
    • DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ starguy

      Just because u keep repeating something doesn't mean that people will just start believing you. That being said, if what you said is true, would you kindly provide some evidence that can be verified to prove your statement? I personally don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, I just don't see how that could be aloud to happen. However, if you were to show me proof that can be verified, I would be more inclined to believe your claims.
    • georgeVV, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The man in the video, I think it´s this guy in this video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEelHh7nBRY

      What do you think?
  • bigdavediode, on 10/12/2007, -91/+24Seriously. why aren't the "truthers" being punched in the face more often? They claimed that the firefighters were involved in a conspiracy.

    If I saw one, I'd punch him in the face. It's the right thing to do.
    • Heloderma, on 10/12/2007, -17/+81Nobody said the firefighters were involved in a conspiracy. The firefighters have and will continue to go public regarding the inconsistencies of the official report. Some have already gone on record and said there were bombs in the buildings and multiple explosions. (Which contradicts what the "official" story tells us) What firefighters are really afraid of are morons like you who will call them liars or traitors when the try to tell the truth because it goes against the official lie that so many morons love to hold true.
    • bigdavediode, on 10/12/2007, -52/+19heloderma:

      >Nobody said the firefighters were involved in a conspiracy.

      Yeah, they did, even in another digg thread. Seriously. And I, and many others, were shockingly offended. Like you just did. You claimed that there were firefighters who "have gone on record" and said that there were bombs in the buildings. That means that the other firefighters are covering it up.

      Hey, it's not like enough of them didn't die at one time, you guys have to accuse the ones who actually survived of being involved in a conspiracy. I just can't understand why the "truthers" aren't being punched in the face every chance everybody gets. You guys are out of your ***** minds, and offending everybody with your offensive stupidities.
    • bigdavediode, on 10/12/2007, -48/+15donutguy:

      >I am a 9/11 Truther. If you punched me in the face, I'll take my baseball bat and knock your teeth right out, and then swing it into your nuts. I will give you 2 black eyes and break your nose. I will being you to your knees crying like a little girl.

      >I'll be the last person you ever hit

      Said by "donut guy." Seriously. "Donut guy."
    • tsoldrin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+54Dave,

      Terroristic threats and inciting violence? You realize those are felonies?
    • noots, on 10/12/2007, -34/+6donutguy, that was the most badly written and thought of response I've ever read. You clearly are a "truther":

      1. what you said was total fantasy, you're basically saying "if he punches you in the face, you will feel nothing apart from your hands grabbing for the bat hidden in your pants."
      2. "truthers" always believe in something that wouldn't happen.

    • MrEguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Yo bigdavedildo, watch your threats.
    • bigdavediode, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4mreguy:

      >Yo bigdavedildo, watch your threats.

      You're right, no one should punch a truther in the face if they imply that the firefighters who died were in some idiotic conspiracy thus disrespecting their sacrifice, their families and their loss -- they should be punched in the gut. And no, I'm not threatening anyone in specific, and no "truthers" are not an identifiable group. If you argue that they should be pitied because they're insane, perhaps I would agree with you.
    • smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1"...and offending everybody with your offensive stupidities."

      as opposed to your redundant redundancies...
    • iiDLii, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2nah a swift kick in the balls as you walk past, by the time he gets his breath back you'll be half a block away :D
    • Bamont, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"Nobody said the firefighters were involved in a conspiracy. The firefighters have and will continue to go public regarding the inconsistencies of the official report. Some have already gone on record and said there were bombs in the buildings and multiple explosions. (Which contradicts what the "official" story tells us) What firefighters are really afraid of are morons like you who will call them liars or traitors when the try to tell the truth because it goes against the official lie that so many morons love to hold true."

      That's not what they said, or anyone has said, numb-nuts. Pretty much all the statements made from Firefighters have been debunked in such a manner that it makes you wonder who is spinning this kind of Agenda. Did you know that most of the movie Loose Change has been debunked time and time again - and Avery LITERALLY made ***** up? Many others have done it as well, and there's so much clear-cut evidence on how everything happened that anytime a Truther comes along and gets proven wrong, you pull something out of Left field - some arbitrary comment that is taken out of context and pointed to something else.

      It's a magic trick, the spin masters of the Truth movement are magicians. They've got you paying attention to their mouths so that you don't see what their hands are doing as they flip the truth back and forth to fit their own agendas, to fit their own heroic ideals, and to rebel against the system.

      They've taken the 9/11 tragedy and turned it into a forefront to attack the Government, promote themselves and their ideals, and think that they're somehow doing everyone a favor.

      I'm not saying that they should be silenced, because idiots will ALWAYS have a voice in this country to one degree or another. However, you should expect that when you tell someone their colleagues and loved ones died because of the United States Government - you should be prepared to accept whatever consequences of those words are. If you aren't, then don't say it.
    • Silentnite85, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I think its high time that we realize that anyone and everyone is currently and has in the past used 9/11 as part of their agenda. No one has a monopoly on spinning the truth, nor lieing to the public to get their idea's across.

      The big thing to remember here: The best lie starts with a nugget of truth.
  • juhbuh, on 10/12/2007, -19/+74Amazing, this is what a real future Police State will be like - Welcome to Berlin/NYC Circa 1970. You're either with us, or you're the enemy "."

    What bunch of programmed, sheep, who serve "the man".

    • dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -58/+13Go move to an island, hippy.
    • minox, on 10/12/2007, -30/+27Juhbuh, somewhere someone living in an actual police state is thinking about your comment and laughing really hard.
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -10/+51Just because other people have it worse doesn't mean we can't be worried about ourselves.
    • inspectorholmes, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22@ ninephoenixes

      QUOTE: 'Yeah, I think Alex Jones and his army of blithering idiots know that when one of his articles is posted, people are going to always rip it to pieces. So I wager that they all make it a point rally and digg things up/down, while people who are just casually surfing Digg aren't going to be as ardent about doing that type of thing.'

      Are you suggesting that this is some kind of..................... CONSPIRACY???

      Well I for one don't get a signal from Alex Jones to Digg articles on Digg, it must be because I'm wearing a special kind of Tin Foil Hat, made with tin foil on the inside and copper write on the outside - I made it myself...
      //sarcasm...
    • ninephoenixes, on 10/12/2007, -21/+11@InspectorHolmes

      It is physically impossible for jet fuel to burn at the temperature required to make all truther comments get dugg up in every Alex Jones thread, while getting dugg down in every other type of thread.
    • toxicshok, on 10/12/2007, -28/+10I hardly believe we've gotten to police state yet.

      But seriously saying 9/11 was an inside job? Sure it was. With aliens, radio waves, and water fluoridation.
    • Kavok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29@minox:
      Police states don't happen overnight, its gradual.

      Wire taps, the destruction of rights, surveillance cameras everywhere, federal databases, "Homeland security" etc..
    • tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@gnc
      Actually, the Brits have Digg.
    • georgeVV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The man in the video, I think it´s this guy in this video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEelHh7nBRY

      What do you think?
  • mikegre, on 10/12/2007, -39/+11Has anyone noticed how infested Digg has become?
    • rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30With what? NY police?
    • ninephoenixes, on 10/12/2007, -28/+10Yeah, I think Alex Jones and his army of blithering idiots know that when one of his articles is posted, people are going to always rip it to pieces. So I wager that they all make it a point rally and digg things up/down, while people who are just casually surfing Digg aren't going to be as ardent about doing that type of thing.
  • ninephoenixes, on 10/12/2007, -31/+13Wait, someone's actually being more idiotic than the 911 truthers for once.

    I am confused and frightened.
    • Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -22/+19I'm even more concerned with the fact that someone called truthers 'activists'.
    • kniwshmdcknit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2or the fact that they coopted the word "truth."
  • DocGill, on 10/12/2007, -10/+55That's pretty disgusting and abusive behavior displayed by that guy who calls himself 'a cop'. These goons give the police a bad name and they should all be brought up on charges of harassment, dereliction of duty, bringing the police force into disrepute, and fired.

    I hope that the protester filed a complaint with the police department and has contacted an attorney who deals with police harassment related issues, this is not America, this is quite sickening. We are quick to complain about Russia & Putin while we ignore the human rights and abuses of liberty being carried out right here at home in the USA.
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Cops have very elevated rights compared to civilians. The police is a paramilitary organization, remember, and that's how they describe themselves!

      So since cops have more more rights than we do, it makes perfect sense that they should face stiffer penalties for abusing those rights. Or any law, that they are sworn to respect and uphold.

      I say start with a 10x multiplier. If a cop breaks the law, the punishment is 10x worse.

      Caught obstructing justice, or lying? Years in prison!
      Speeding ticket? Multiply by 10!
      Cheat on taxes? Get out the calculator!

      In fact, they should also have very few rights to privacy, like a convict on parole!
      Search their homes and cars on a random schedule for anything illegal. Drug tests, too. All their finances reviewed and monitored. Cameras watching them, cell phones tapped, every little move they make is recorded and archived.

      You see, it's all for their own good, to make sure that they can beat any false accusation. And why would they not welcome this? It's not like they have anything to hide, right?

      Don't stop there! All politicians, too, even worse. Start with the President, supreme court, congress, and work all the way down to the city councilors.

      Citizens should know every little thing they do, since we give them the right to kill, maim, and lock us up. It's only fair, right?

      And the bonus is that all the crazy lunatics that normally join the police and government will stay faaaaaar away. Instead it will be staffed with the cream of the crop, folks who are beyond reproach, people who actually have nothing to hide and are proud of it. Only the best of us will serve.

      THEN! We will have a just and fair government...they will fear us, as it is supposed to be.
    • BelXul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Check the 2003 Anti-Hoax Terrorism Act. In short, reporting someone as a terrorist without due cause and justified reason or reporting a terrorist act where there is none has been compared to yelling FIRE in a theatre. In either case, it's bad form, and both carry penalties.
    • georgeVV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The man in the video, I think it´s this guy in this video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEelHh7nBRY

      What do you think?
  • TheGuin, on 10/12/2007, -44/+6Save a cow eat a hippie.
  • kurttrail, on 10/12/2007, -38/+28The cop was an idiot, but I didn't see any arrest.

    While there are many unanswered questions surrounding the events of 911, it is shear idiocy to conclude that "911 was an inside job."

    So, what I saw on the video was an idiot convention!
    • inspectorholmes, on 10/12/2007, -19/+24@ kurttrail

      What I read in your post were the words of an idiot, what I saw on the video was an attack on liberty.

      If you think there are 'unanswered questions' around the events of 9/11 why not go and investigate them? If you are unable to use your intellect to evaluate the data available in the public domain, and conclude that 9/11 was an inside job then I would have satisfied my first premise. You are an idiot, thus when I read your post, I read the words of an idiot.



    • jkalow, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21also when speaking to the actual uniformed police officer, the cameraman was told that the street they were on was considered part of a courtyard or something, and private property. The dudes who accused him of having a bomb might have been just security guards, they never gave any indication of authority.
  • funkmachine, on 10/12/2007, -28/+19Truth demonstration? So you mean a bunch of people stand around telling everyone that Islamic terrorists blew up the towers?

    But everyone already knows that.
  • benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Im sick of youtube vids with the requiem for a dream track in it.
    • Juroujin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8The song is called 'Lux Aeterna'
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2And it is the most epic song ever.
      Unfortunately it is almost *never* used with an epic video.
    • SwankRock3000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I'm sick of people who steal user icons.
    • benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Ive been using my icon a bit less than a year longer than youve even been a member, thief.
  • minox, on 10/12/2007, -31/+16Are you people ever afraid that your 9/11 conspiracies are becoming boring, even to you?
    • siszam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22With all the news you see every day and your insane president, you should be concerned that you have this overwhelming need to believe in the government? If this was Nazi Germany you would be going along too. Question authority or you're just a slave and part of the problem.
    • kniwshmdcknit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That was a great t-shirt.
  • bekeleven, on 10/12/2007, -17/+25"This man who identified himself as a police officer"


    ...Proof?
  • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -24/+23that video was confusing, jumped around and to long, I wish it just showed what it said it would show, cause after a while it just seemed like 9-11 conspiracy propaganda.
  • mntbikeracer1, on 10/12/2007, -32/+17Probably staged *****, probably were not even cops but more 9/11 truth retards. These guys look so damn desperate and so freaking stupid.
    • inspectorholmes, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37@ mntbikeracer1 'Probably staged *****, probably were not even cops but more 9/11 truth retards. These guys look so damn desperate and so freaking stupid.'

      OMG, I can't believe you actually posted that comment, now who's wearing the tin foil hat??
  • hsnider65, on 10/12/2007, -19/+37It absolutely amazes me that some people can not see that we in the USA are in big trouble. This is but one example of the basic rights we are losing every day. I hope the citizens of the US wake up before it's too late!
    • adc89, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24What's worse is they ridicule the people trying to help them.
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Don't give up on us. There are millions and millions of good folks here, real Americans. We fall a little on the right and left, all the same. It's just that we are too busy and distracted to participate. So the few manage to control the many.

      Eventually, we will become radicalized, more active, wake from our slumber and correct our listing ship. We are a slow, lumbering giant, but once things reach a critical mass it happens quickly.

      So as long as the crazy ***** in charge don't do anything too permanent (like war...whoops) we come back to the center.

      Maybe we are too big? Maybe more local/state and less federal rights?
  • cbjohn1, on 10/12/2007, -29/+11rofl. common sense here. Don't go to a place that suffered a terrible tragedy, say something inflammatory and retarded about said tragedy, and not expect to get harassed. Also, the only police officer I saw, told them they had to leave. Seems like an alright guy to me. The civilians harassed them, so what? That's what happens when you do stupid *****. They have freedom of speech just like the morons with the signs.

    "9/11 Truthers: Making Mountains out of Mole hills since 2001"

    Wow, the more I watch of this, the harder I am laughing. Listen to the dramatic music. Rofl. oh my god, that shot of the helicopter is priceless. Like it was actually there for them hahaha. This has got to be the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in my life.

  • h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+45the terrorists have already won... and it breaks my ***** heart to see what this country is becoming.
    • h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41i notice i'm getting buried nearly as often as dugg, so let me explain.

      we're fighting terrorism so that we can enjoy our freedom
      Our freedom is being given up in the pursuit of fighting terrorism.

      Police pulling ***** like this, making false accusations to impede the the exercising of the constitution is a violation of our civil liberties and therefore freedom - make sense now?

      we have begun the slide into the totalitarian governments we 'fight so hard' to liberate people from.
  • Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24Does digg have a 9/11 truther majority? Reading the burying of comments it would seem so.

    (this comment is unrelated to the video linked above)
    • iancgi, on 10/12/2007, -15/+26I dont think its that, I thinks its more about the fact that the majority of people who visit digg are intelligent with a good amount of critical thinking and common sense. Thats the reason why we are the majority

      "people think they are as safe as cartoons simply because they speak in bubbles"
    • ninephoenixes, on 10/12/2007, -21/+16I think the truthers just concentrate on these kinds of threads, because really, truther comments in non Alex Jones threads generally get buried hardcore.
    • Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -20/+5

      Because if I'm not a truther I must but inherently stupid, and non-critical. Get over yourselves
    • evilregis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Or maybe they're intelligent enough to agree that the tactics used by the 'officers' in this footage are deplorable whether you agree with the truthers or not.

      If you can't look at that footage and recognize it as seriously ***** up, you need to give your head a shake. That's not about left/right, truther/non-truther or whatever other dichotomy you want to dredge up... that is (or should be) the last thing this is about
  • HereticXx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30What that cop did to Luke was illegal. Slander is defined as the verbal communication to another of a false statement of fact, made with the requisite state of mind, that causes injury. Libel (often known as defamation for short, or printed defamation) is defined as the publication of a false statement of fact, made with the requisite state of mind, that causes injury. This incident covers both, as the incident was recorded on audio/video and as there can be no mistaking the context in which those patently false accusations were made. Luke could sue and win. I would imagine that NY has laws against inciting a panic as well which could arguably apply to this officers false claims of explosives possession. He could also file charges for false imprisonment. The officers obvioulsy understood these boys to be no threat, and by forcing Luke to come with them over to their vehicles, this then becomes a case of false imprisonment. To sustain an action for false arrest or false imprisonment, plaintiff has the burden of proving:

    *RESTRAINT or arrest, against plaintiff's will,
    *caused or procured by defendants
    *without having reasonable grounds or probable cause to believe that the offense was committed by plaintiff.

    This is a legal nightmare for that cop and NYC police at large if Luke and friends wanted to press the issue.
  • FiP0, on 10/12/2007, -29/+7those truther videos are so boring... takes forever to go nowhere.
  • HereticXx, on 10/12/2007, -9/+41You all are sick in the head if you think there is nothing wrong with that cop knowingly levying false charges of terrorism at peaceful protestors. Anyone who thinks that should line up for their nazi armbands man. Sick.
    • jedioniram, on 10/12/2007, -23/+7If he was a cop, why didn't he show a badge, or some form of identification. Funny that the protesting fools didn't ask for any proof either. These chumps have a lot to learn if they want to stage something convincing. If you believe this video as presented you probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job performed by the tooth fairy.
    • Darksaber11, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Hah, that's brilliant. At least if they had armbands the idiots would be a lot easier to identify on sight.
  • actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+291. These guys have a right to peacefully protest without harassment from the police.

    2. Worst ***** piece of journalism ever. You want me to take you seriously? Then present the facts without telling me how I should feel about them with dramatic music and commentary. I'm a big boy -- you present enough facts and I can figure it out on my own. But the piece being propagandized only tells me you've got nothing.
  • drifter, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7Hate to be off topic but what is the music used in the video. I have heard it numerous times especially in movies.
    • adc89, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5It's the theme from "Requiem for a Dream".
    • williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Carmina Burana, by Karl Orff. Kinda bombastic, but kinda cool. Sounds like it uses split time signatures (alternating measures with different number of beats or divided differently).
  • spyguy33, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4In the second video on the page, I think that cops were completely in the right. When there is an act that kills thousands, and you have someone not act orderly with the police, she is lucky that it ended as it did. When you have those on the road that will shoot cops in their place when they try to do their job, it is a wonder that the cops didn't pull a gun on her. Towards the end of the video, the announcer stated that the FBI were calling the Christians terrorists. Confused about this, I looked it up. Sure enough, the announcer lacks the ability to read in context, as the paper listed none of this. These government conspirators need to stop looking for falsities, and stick to those that are as clear as day. I am not saying that the government is not corrupt. There is plenty of corruption out there, but a majority of us voted for these people. The world needs to return to reality.
    • biases, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21There's a woman sitting in a car denying to get out until she has to by law.

      So because there's a lot of criminals out there you want to treat everyone as guilty until proven otherwise?
  • pyrotix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31This is just the latest in a long series of anti-First Amendment activities carried out by the police.

    The City just denied Blackkat the permit to hold their annual Mayday event in its Tompkins Square Park location for the first time ever, even though the organization submits the request in January. It was narrowly saved by days of work and intervention by the local councilman, but moved to a less public location. All this because Blackkat is a "rave" organization, and the City has favorites.

    New York City just bans, bans, bans and arrests anyone in the way. Public gatherings in New York? Illegal.

    That's why I moved from New York to Canada.
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1The weather is better in Cali, dude. Why ya gotta run to Canada?
    • raabco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2whoops, I moved from Cali to Canada...
  • ironpirate, on 10/12/2007, -27/+8Good for the police, please take these Wackos off the street!
    • Coinspinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@ironpirate

      Yeah, we can put them in camps... And then do interesting things to them.

      You are right, free speech should have no place in America anymore, it interferes with the governments "special" plans.

      I guess the only upside is that one day, Mr. Pirate, they will come for you.
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I heard Ironplate visited a Islamic website....better take his ass off the streets, too, just to make sure you got all of 'em.

      Hell, take his family, too, since it'll look better on paper...we'll call it a "cell".
  • buckeye45, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26***** pig. i for one do not welcome our new fascist overlords.
    • mike17032, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4Grow up, and learn what a real police state is like before you cry over the internet from your parents basement.
  • ZbigyBrzez, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16If you don't vote the Giuliani for president, then 'Larry and boys' will take care of you.

  • trashylinks, on 10/12/2007, -31/+4If you don't like the US, move out. We don't want you here. :)
    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16I don't want YOU here. Get the ***** out.
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6That's a pretty unamerican thing to say, you filthy ***** fascist.

      Real Americans don't talk like that...chickity check yoself, chump.
  • surlygrad, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2i would rather have seen the fat guy just slug one of them than pull the ***** that went down on this tape.
  • scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2I can't decide which side is more stupid in that video.
  • supershawn, on 10/12/2007, -25/+7How many times did the police ask politely for the illegal protest to be stopped? Did they take the camera and smash it or did they ask politely (even saying please) to stop being filmed? Don't claim the government is full of "spin and BS" by providing "proof" that is "spin and BS". The remarks about the bomb and wires were obviously sarcastic and in response to the jerky comments the protesters constantly made (and the fact they disobeyed police requests). How many co-workers do you think those guys lost in 9/11? How many jerks, drunks, etc, do you think they have to put up with a day? I think the "protesters" got off pretty darn lucky. If the police were as bas as they try and claim, there would be no tape and they would be in the East River. That's how it would have happened in most other countries where this type of disobedience is not tolerated in any shape or form. And, worst of all, they claim to be doing this for Rosie O'Donnell? CHRIST- they should have been arrested for that statement alone- she is a big, pig headed bully. We are supposed to believe conspiracy theories from a fat bully who slanders anyone she disapproves of?
    • HereticXx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Hello - they had every legal right to be there and to film those events. We are a nation run by rule of law remember? The comments about the bomb were an act of intimidation, was slanderous, libelous, inciting a panic, and blatantly illegal, unprofessional, and irresponsible.
    • ZbigyBrzez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16@ supershawn
      QUOTE :'If the police were as bas as they try and claim, there would be no tape and they would be in the East River. That's how it would have happened in most other countries where this type of disobedience is not tolerated in any shape or form.'

      I agree, ZEIG HEIL http://www.flickr.com/photos/smashstatusquo/90068345/

      //sarcasm
    • supershawn, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7Every legal right? Not on a public street. You need a permit to protest. They were asked politely to stop and refused to cooperate.

      If these "cops" were as bad as the protesters claim, this tape would have never seen the light of day.

      Plus, this was as staged as they come. Not saying the police were fake, saying that the "protesters" were trying to get a negative reaction to film.

      Everyone has a right to free speech and their opinion, but if this is the best these "protesters" could do, they are not going to accomplish much.

      Look how many successful protests occurred just today- Jesse Jackson and thousands of protesters marched all over New Orleans for Katrina relief claiming there was a government conspiracy to keep the poor and minorities from returning. Did the government shut them down? No, they were all over every media outlet all day.
    • Blanova, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17You are an idiot. They were NOT "protesting". They were if anything, demonstrating... Holding a sign. Holding a camera = PROTESTER! INSURGENT! ENEMY OF THE STATE - SOMEONE IS ASKING TOO MUCH -. If you cant see, while it's all around you, I feel sorry for you. Keep up the denial. Especially if you are a member of the law enfarcement community. Don't worry Silverstien and rich gouls like him are laughing at you idiots. Here is a link fools: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609
    • supershawn, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4"You are an idiot. They were NOT "protesting". "


      I may be an idiot, but at least I watched the video. They said several times "this is a peaceful protest". I believe that statement pretty much sums them up as protesters.

      Retard.
    • Blanova, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0stupidshawn -

      Watch it again IDIOT, and within the 1st 3 min what do they say? "WE ARE NOT PROTESTING SIR". Go do the world a favor and die. PIG. I'd love to slap YOU around. But I'm sure someone will get to that soon enough. Your comments get buried because you are, well in a word and IDIOT. Of course YOU don't see that. I bet you think yer real smart like duhh..
  • FLUX, on 10/12/2007, -21/+6So who do we believe? The people who have purposely edited video and audio to mislead the public into believing an outlandish lie or possibly the police of New York


    Hmmmm let me see, I think I will take the police word for now
  • Blanova, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23Power hungry,ignorant pieces of garbage. That is what law enfarcement in amerika has become. Cops are nothing more than ignorant donut holes, choosen for their medium IQ's; just enough to be a thug for the super-rich bastards like silverstien (you piece of *****), but not quite smart enough to make any logical high resoning. Very easy to manipulate. I'm not saying all police - I've worked with the lawhaha.. before... But most police now, should simply have their badges taken back, and tazered till they drop and flop.
  • mike17032, on 10/12/2007, -24/+7How does this 9/11 ***** make the homepage? To bad the cops didnt use the nightsticks, someone needs to beat the stupid out of these people.
    • d3designs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Since when is violence acceptable for people with a different opinion?
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ever since their opinion was they could use violence against me.
  • Elku, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Another reason why I am never ever going in the states
    • oldhat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Good, you stay home and work on your own problems, best idea ever!
  • griffe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31I cant belive this... People are such sheep. Look at some of these comments "why aren't the truthers being punchd in the face more often" WTF.
    How can someone sit there and read/watch this and then say something like that? This is *****.

    The American government just wants power and control, not only over its country but others as well. America is turning into the new Nazi Germany.

    I wish people would just wise up and realize this before its TOO LATE.
    • Blanova, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Yes It's a shame, Maybe the states need to break away from the federal government. It's just too big. I'm sorry to say but it might be better to spit the country up, renounce the federal reserve and go back to the gold standard. The federal govt is too large, corrupt, criminal and they just feed you disinfo. Most politicians serve the $, not the people. They simply cannot be trusted as proven over and over and over. ABSOLUTE POWER corrupts. bla bla bla ABSOLUTLY. Return the power to the people, break up NEOamerika and let the regions manage themselves. Let the local people - the locals - the insurgents take care of their own issues. I'll take my chances with terrorists, I don't need the government's help to 'protect' me! Think about it hard.
  • Amin001, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27great stuff

    we need more activists these days



  • sirdarksoul, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15***** brown shirts
  • Synapsid, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2Everyone in that video looked like actors to me....
  • JohnnyRad, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5@dukeeeey

    that's the guy that used to be on cable access here at like 2 am right before mardi gras austin footage or the really old lady that plays the keyboard and sings about how much she loves elvis.
  • caution, on 10/12/2007, -18/+39/11 "Truthers" are ***** idiots.



  • TheBowerbird, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Even though the conspiracy theorists waving their banners are a bit insane, the fact stands that the behavior of the policemen is deplorable. This is supposed to be an open society where you can say what you want, this sort of aggressive curtailing of rights is ridiculous.
  • Apreche, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2Crazy conspiracists suck. Rights infringing cops suck just as much. I'd like to see some good cops come and arrest the lot of 'em.
  • mdollarsign, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3I always get a good chuckle from truther stories and comments.
    oh and this..
    "It is interesting how otherwise intelligent people are predisposed to conspiracy theories when they line up with their anti-establishment biases. It really does little good to counter these arguments with facts. We are firmly in the realm of emotional predisposition here. Inconvenient facts are to be bent or discarded while convenient ones are to be amplified.
    It really is quite interesting psychologically speaking. The theories themselves are obviously less intellectually challenging, but this window into irrational belief is intriguing. The most interesting thing about it is that these people think that they are thinking. They admire their own enlightenment and that buttresses their stubbornness. There is no fact so blatantly obvious that it cannot be quickly and easily discarded once they have invested so much of their emotional selves into this system of beliefs.
    In short, there is no point arguing with the true believers. The only value in countering them is to protect the weak-minded from their influence."
    • unleached, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Don't dig him down. It's a good point. And it may be completely or partly true for many people. It's easy to get biased whatever your opinion is about whatever topic. (ie. not just 911)

      But it's not true that this only relates to 911 truthers (or whatever conspiracy theory), it goes to the defenders of the official theory as well.
    • buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Yeah, I agree, those people that believe the official report are idiots. Useless to argue with them.
  • Aufverdsing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I have just read alot of comments saying "Those cops are ass holes and the US is becoming the next NAZI Germany." The only thing I wonder is what are all those people who said that going to do about it? I agree that the cops in both movies were wrong in their actions, but as far as I know there is no way to really stop this since there will not be large scale public outcry untill it is too late.
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14There *are* large scale public outcries from time to time. A month before the Iraq war began there was the largest protest ever in human history. The *lowest* estimate is 6 million protestors, around the world. Some estimate as high as 30 million.
      Did you hear about that one? I'd bet you didn't.

      Or any of the other record-setting protests, in America and around the world? No.

      Of course you didn't. Because nobody told you.

      Yay corporate media.
  • somebigguy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Those that call themselves Americans and believe in the Constitution MUST stand up against this sort of threat against the right to free speech, regardless of political affiliation or how you feel about the 9/11 issue.

    Here are some places to start:

    BBC reports the collapse of Building 7 while it is still clearly visible in the background:
    http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=200

    Press for Truth:
    http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=165

    911 Mysteries:
    http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=183

    Terrorstorm:
    http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=151
  • nomadxx7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The only thing I have to say is truthers may be wrong but can you honestly say that you are better off today than you were 5 years old or 10 years old? I just read in the paper the other day about "Are we entering a new recession?" and remembered the article on digg about a week ago. IMHO I don't think we are better off than we were 10 years ago. We are not richer but poorer (middle class), we are in a war with no end and a drain on money, we have a bloated trade deficit with China, our housing market is slowing down, it seems laws are being made to catch terrorists which are very vague at best. If you can read this and don't agree that is fine. With all that I read on the Internet and see in the news it looks like we are heading down a dark tunnel in our nation's history and I don't think a lot of people are prepared or realize it. But hell, I may just be overly pessimistic.
    • dsemrich, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0I can't read past your first 12 words. You say "truthers may be wrong". They want the truth, so forget your petty side issue, whatever it may be. Jeez
  • Coinspinner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Why does the NYPD always seem to be on the wrong side of every issue?
    • medicis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18you are witnessing our devolution into a police state. Where authoritarianism and police violence in service of oppression are becoming more and more the norm. Don't worry. It will get much much worse.
  • medicis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17SuperMoses said:
    I don't understand why people get angered by conspiracy theorists. If you don't believe them, that's fine, but your beliefs aren't supported by any more evidence than theirs are. The whole thing requires further investigation before anyone can draw any conclusions. I prefer to stick by Ockham's razor for the time being."

    Wrong on several counts: 1. It implies truthers are conspiracy theorists, It ignores the government conspiracy theorists and everybody who believes that nonsense. 2. 9/11 truth currently has ALL the evidence on its side. With NIST and FEMA (both government agencies) caught in blatant lies and misdirection... AND pseudo-science, there is no evidence on the Government's side. 3. Ockham's razor is probably wrong more often than right. Any decent philosopher of science and actual scientist is likely to agree that it is an often faulty criterion.
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