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- ljrdxyh, on 07/10/2008, -22/+326This is really scary stuff - please digg and shout with all your friends.
- Berkana, on 07/10/2008, -18/+266If the NSA copies and retains all internet traffic, then Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and George Bush's conveniently missing e-mails must be on file somewhere. I actually wouldn't be so angry if the NSA were to pull his emails out to nail the creep for his crimes.
- spritom, on 07/10/2008, -4/+235*draws line in the sand*
Ok, cross this line.
*DMCA passed*
*backs up two steps, draws new line in the sand*
Ok, cross this line.
*Patriot Act*
*backs up two steps, draws new line in the sand*
Ok, cross this line!
*NSA archiving all net traffic*
*backs up two steps, draws new line in the sand*
Ok, cross THIS line!
*warrantless searches*
*backs up two steps, draws new line in the sand*
OK, CROSS THIS LINE!
*FISA expanded*
*tries to back up..but notices back is against the wall* - manova, on 07/10/2008, -5/+2223/7/2007...I point this out not because an old story was submitted, but because this is an old story that the great majority of people know nothing about.
- Minarchian, on 07/10/2008, -33/+242***** "global warming".
Our own government has gotten a hell of a lot scarier then that *****! - orangekid13, on 07/10/2008, -3/+133wow, the nsa must have A LOT of porn
- zolf, on 07/10/2008, -4/+121For 10 Gbps Internet link (OC-192 or 10 Gig Ethernet) they may have to store 1.25 GBytes every second. For one day it is 108 TBytes and for one year it is 39.4 PBytes. It's a LOT of data and it is only one Internet link (in one direction)!
Now imagine that someone unauthorized made a picture of top secret document and sent it using email (1 MByte size). What are the chances that automatic searching systems is able to read text from images?
What are the chances that human analyst finds it? Remember that every second there are possibly 1250 such images sent over single Internet link!
What if the image was put in a .zip file with a password?
Summary: good luck with wasting taxpayers money - B08ama, on 07/10/2008, -3/+116Forget the internet. I'll deliver data packets myself.
- darkspym7, on 07/10/2008, -13/+103It's not possible physically to record all of the Internet's traffic.
- damonic, on 07/10/2008, -0/+88This is the exact reason my email signature contains the following information:
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Cohiba IMF SAFE Honduras Bin Laden UMTS AMEMB
Pine Gap monarchist IRA CID national information infrastructure KGB
cracking INS electronic surveillance weapons of mass destruction Elvis
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CDC Guantanamo War on Terrorism CIDA Rumsfeld Bletchley Park secure
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covert video secure spy - TritonX, on 07/10/2008, -2/+68I'm just wondering, how is this technically possible ?
- mtvkilledusall, on 07/10/2008, -2/+68People like you are exactly why this is happening today.
Just because you're not doing anything illeagal today, doesn't mean by some off chance that you won't be doing anything illegal tomorrow.
You may not be building bombs in your basement, but who knows? Maybe next week you will be doing something like criticizing the government, but oops, in this hypothetical situation, that was outlawed.
Because of this stripping of the 4th amendement, everyone is a suspect.
This constitutional right is now GONE. What is to stop them from taking away more constitutional rights? NOT YOU. - leerayIG88, on 07/10/2008, -0/+59All your tubes are belong to us
- quesi, on 07/10/2008, -1/+56If Nigeria ends up in the "Axis of Evil", we'll know that they can't filter out the spam.
- trejrco, on 07/10/2008, -2/+57No, shouts are inconsiderate and annoying ... and should be removed from Digg.
- ButterBuddha, on 07/10/2008, -23/+69NSA = Google
- KoolHow, on 07/10/2008, -7/+52Yes this is an old story. But it is a recurring story. And we have just seen how the telecoms got off the hook (by senate vote) for the warrant-less wiretapping.
Most people who are watching what is going on in the world today probably already suspect this. Sure the government can say this is to fight terrorism, but the 'eyes' of the system can be directed toward any word/word phrase/originating or receiving email address with a few clicks at a computer terminal at NSA. And the database behind the system can match records on any email attributes. So there is no privacy at all.
Big Brother is NOW!!!!!
Speak out to retain your/our freedom. The only way to prevent complete shroud is for people dedicated to freedom and free speech speaking out and communicating with the world. When we don't exercise our rights we lose them (quickly).
www.changing-history.com - ljrdxyh, on 07/10/2008, -9/+53On the surface your comment sounds intelligent but how is NSA going to analyze traffic without retaining it? Why would you make a copy of traffic for? To throw it away?
My friend, you are apparently uninformed as to NSA's capabilities in this area - and that is a good thing - the problem is using this capability on US Americans. - MWeather, on 07/10/2008, -3/+48The government and global warming are pretty similar. They change slowly, and by the time enough people notice, it's too late.
- cyberwiz01, on 07/10/2008, -1/+45Thanks a lot. Now we're ALL on some NSA watchlist!
- dopste, on 07/10/2008, -2/+45When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
after all I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out. - rezonq3, on 07/10/2008, -3/+44Damn, a light bulb just went off in my head. What if we ALL did that? All of our user names and computers had this kind of stuff all over them? All of our computers randomly sent out pings to the terrorist training websites and how to build a bomb sites. And by ALL I mean everyone in America.
They wouldn't be able to tell the real stuff from the fake. Their entire purpose for logging everything would be null and void. Talk about telling The Man to eat a ***** sandwich. - Vektuz, on 07/10/2008, -4/+45This is not possible. You can capture everything but you cannot retain everything. There just isn't enough storage capacity in technology yet. Especially considering how much p2p traffic there is which is useless to them.
- LuxFX, on 07/10/2008, -2/+40hard drive and storage tape manufacturers rejoice!
- Godlike, on 07/10/2008, -4/+41The simple answer is that the headline is complete *****: They cannot possibly retain "ALL" traffic. No, they can't.
- inactive, on 07/10/2008, -0/+36It's not about "feeling important" you moron, it's about one of the most basic and essential personal liberties - privacy. It doesn't matter if what you do in your home, the government should not have a right to invade your privacy unconstitutionally. Your attitude sickens me, and it's sad to think that that's the attitude Americans have nowadays. Why did we even form this country? Why did we set up a Constitution? Why did so many people die in defending this county and its freedoms? So lazy, ignorant ***** like you can sit on a website rationalizing why the government illegally retaining records about our activities and not caring. Perhaps a near future similar to that of "1984" won't be bad to you, but to anyone with half a brain and who believes in what this country was founded on, it's disgusting.
- inactive, on 07/10/2008, -6/+41Haha its the "internet" edition of Night line - too non consequential for television apparently
- PATSCRU, on 07/10/2008, -11/+45uhm i'm equally scared of both. Just because you're faced with one problem does not mean you turn a blind eye to the other.
- MWeather, on 07/10/2008, -0/+33I wouldn't put much past the NSA. They measure computing power by the acre instead of by the cpu.
- Berkana, on 07/10/2008, -5/+38Given that 90% of emails sent are spam, I suspect the NSA has some way of filtering it out. If not, I can't imagine how they could possibly handle the volume of traffic.
- dOOBiEx213, on 07/10/2008, -4/+34You're right. We should all install Telescreens in our homes, it's not like we have anything to be afraid of right? You, my man, are the definition of a retard. Please kill yourself. Secondly, "WE" the people, are not in charge of the government. Those people that are stripping away OUR freedoms, making billions off illegal wars, imprisoning their own citizens, exploiting third world countries... THEY are the government.
- intangible, on 07/10/2008, -1/+30You forgot ECHELON
- inactive, on 07/10/2008, -2/+30they have the entire internet? hard drive must be huge!
- jontalisman, on 07/10/2008, -8/+36Dugg, but tell me something I don't know already...
- LumberingOaf, on 07/10/2008, -2/+27This is good to know. I want it on record somewhere that I think George W. Bush is a complete nutsuck.
Excuse me, someone's knocking on my door. I'll be right back... - Rotzooi, on 07/10/2008, -1/+26Many European countries are passing legislation this year, that would make the ISPs responsible for recording and storing records of each webpage visited (not the site itself, the URLs) and each email sent. Like a voluntary NSA on your internet connection. Ridiculous.
- vexingmodstwo, on 07/10/2008, -5/+30Eschelon. It's been around since the sixties, I think. And judging from the fact that all of you are still downloading and distributing illegal content and aren't in jail right now, they've gotten pretty good at only pulling the really important stuff.
- inactive, on 07/10/2008, -0/+24Which was just recently (effectively) legalized, iirc.
- spritom, on 07/10/2008, -2/+24They compress it into a ZIP file to fit on a 3.5" floppy.
- Samsong, on 07/10/2008, -7/+29Scarier than man-bear-pig?
It think not. - wedges, on 07/10/2008, -1/+22NSA = Google = BuyNLarge
- bitbytebit, on 07/10/2008, -0/+21they are .. they'll keep them 'for a rainy day', don't believe for a minute that the NSA is on the same page as the Whitehouse (or the CIA or FBI for that matter) they all have their own agenda's.
In my mind the CIA is the one thats the worst as far as a 'NWO' is concerned, the NSA is the ears, whitehouse the mouth, fbi the hands, and the cia is the brain (pretty good analogy no?) - richmomz, on 07/10/2008, -1/+21Big brother keeps getting bigger by the day.
- jurnei, on 07/10/2008, -0/+20folks are obviously not aware and need to know this.
- jakenovak, on 07/10/2008, -11/+31Conspiracy theorists don't care to look at the simple truth.
- artfiend77, on 07/10/2008, -3/+22@ djepik
i think your analogy sucks. How do you equate a simple math problem versus a life or death situation to an ecological problem versus a problem with government infringing upon rights?
It'd be more realistic if you said a giant meteor hurtling towards earth VS impending Nuclear War. - Blitzenn, on 07/10/2008, -4/+23Actually, it's more likely the opposite. The Gov notoriously lags behind the general public in these areas. I sincerely doubt that they have put the dollars in the right budgets to get the right expertise to do the appropriate thing and do it better than the public versions. Just doesn't happen (I've literally been there). Most likely scenario is that the info is simply stored for a later time when they need to go back and look for specific information. No other way to sift through that much.
Secondly. There is not any physical medium large enough to store all of that data. Data is quite literally created at a rate that it is impossible (so far) to be able to store all of it for any length of time. Think about it with some common sense. If a single website gets 5 million hits in a day, that's 5 million copies of the same site travelling through the wires. You can't store all of that traffic. There just isn't enough physical media in the world to do it with yet, nor will there probably ever be. As media capacities grow, so does the volume of traffic. Traffic continually outpaces available storage volumes.
Why isn't the government going to speak up and say they aren't doing it? Because the belief that they do it serves as a deterent to some people. Some people will simply 'not go there' (wherever 'there' is) if they think someone is watching.
Frankly, unless you are already a target, your data is simply lost in the noise of that enourmous amount of data. - dopste, on 07/10/2008, -0/+18Actually the new FISA legislation allow the seizure of American computer equipment and tapping of American calls and INTERNET traffic if the signal starts or stops outside of the US also. They don't have to prove it in an open court of law and they can destroy the evidence of the surveillance AT ANY TIME.
It also "Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance"
It also removes the possibillity of providers and carriers being sued for co-operating in surveillance.
They do not report the details to your congress but to the FISA committee. It's the digital surveillance equivalent of the defence appropriations commitee
Combine that with the previous ammendments which allow sliding space to wiretap ANYONE at ANYTIME and I would be scared.
As it is I'm British and we're good (except for the same rules, memworth hill and the highest ratio of CCTV cameras to population in the world) ;) - moxley, on 07/10/2008, -2/+20Yes, let's meet at 3pm in the town center, bring the packets.... I have some data packets you can take back your way and i'll take yours - I'll hand your's off to that one guy that takes 'em to the next relay dude.
But in all seriousness.....A private network would be nice, expect for the fact that if you are using any sort of infrastructure it will intercepted.
This is a scary story - and I can tell you that 99.99% of Americans have no idea what the true technological level that the NSA operates at is. FWIU if people were to be told or shown some of their capabilities they literally wouldn't believe it. -
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