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- binaryloop, on 01/25/2009, -8/+137One of these days the rest of the world will realize that the conspiracy "nuts" weren't so nuts after all.
- curtisag, on 01/25/2009, -9/+100Anyone who's willing to give up some of their liberty for safety deserves neither.
- shinythings, on 01/25/2009, -4/+90"***** the government!"
Great, now I'm on the list... - MrCapo, on 01/25/2009, -1/+67Enjoy your freedom of speech - just do not speak of freedom
- crackwassist, on 01/25/2009, -4/+62"You're only paranoid if they aren't trying to get you" - Groucho Marx
- frcc, on 01/25/2009, -7/+49Courtesy of the Patriot Act, voted for and reauthorized by Obama.
Change has come to America. - Waiting2awake, on 01/25/2009, -2/+36only after it is too late I fear.
- Wreckage, on 01/25/2009, -3/+35I'm sure no one is surprised by this. Why else would George W. not want court involvement in wiretaps?
- DirtyVicar, on 01/25/2009, -3/+34If all that's true, it's interesting to think that NSA computers almost certainly have massive holdings of porn. I wonder how they sort it.
- bomb288, on 01/25/2009, -1/+32I'd rather die free in a terrorist attack than live a long, healthy life fearing my own government.
- igorthetroll, on 01/24/2009, -5/+36NSA has nothing to do, so they have to justify their program by spying on old grandmas.
- BrynF, on 01/25/2009, -5/+36If you're going to quote someone at least do it properly:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin - inactive, on 01/25/2009, -6/+36Is this really news? Real news would be shutting this fascist crap down
- grungegbunny, on 01/25/2009, -1/+31One of these days? Those days are now.
- iancgi, on 01/25/2009, -2/+30I recall being called a crazy tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist along with many others for warning people of this when they started doing it.
The question of course now is will those who were wrong stay docile and passive as this country is taken over form the top down or will they begin to inform themselves and do something about it? Like so many of us already are. - spyd3rweb, on 01/25/2009, -3/+29Paranoid conspiracy theorists: 1
Dumb sheeple: 0 - szalinski, on 01/25/2009, -1/+24Are there still people out there who actually believe the government doesn't monitor everything we do. Has anyone heard of Homeland Security Blimps?
As for the simple minded folk who think Bush is the one behind it all...thats a joke in itself. It's been going on before anyone knew who he was and I can assure you it will continue.
Meanwhile you've got Obama flapping his mouth about 'transparecy' in the government. What a joke... Government thinks we're a bunch of mindless sheep and we're not doing a very good job proving them wrong I have to say. - tgc1, on 01/25/2009, -1/+24You know the government has nothing to hide when it seeks retroactive immunity for telecos.
- killahwhale, on 01/25/2009, -2/+25This is *****. There is no reason our government should be spying on innocent Americans.
- grungegbunny, on 01/25/2009, -2/+25Not very well done sarcasm.
- Neiby, on 01/25/2009, -0/+20This start long before W got into office. The NSA has been monitoring all internal communications since the early 90's. I don't know for certain, but the program probably either started up under Reagan or Bush Sr.
This is why I've been annoyed at all the coverage of the warrantless wiretaps and the brouhaha with AT&T. This sort of thing has been going on a for long time and it's far more pervasive than what you've heard in the news. Hell, they're probably checking Digg now. lol (Just kidding....but just in case...Hi, NSA! *waves*) - spaceman77, on 01/25/2009, -0/+20I'm not paranoid, it's just a heightened state of awareness.
- thedarkrabbit, on 01/25/2009, -1/+20I don't recall giving up my privacy... oh, that's right. I wasn't asked... they just took it from me.
I'll take privacy and my personal rights over the fake idea of "Safe and secure" any day of the week. - odigity, on 01/25/2009, -3/+21It takes hundreds of hours of research to even begin to grasp the full scope of the illusion we've all been living under. Almost no one, except the few oddballs like us who are driven to understand the world for some unknown reason, has the motivation. That's not going to change until the full crisis is well upon us. History has shown that to be true without exception.
- Thuban, on 01/25/2009, -0/+18Well obviously this is no longer the "home of the free." And it sure as ***** isn't the home of the brave, or we'd demand this ***** stop. We've become such pussies. If the founding fathers were alive today there would be a revolution tomorrow.
- rmxz, on 01/25/2009, -0/+17I still wonder how many of them were spying on CEOs for insider trading info.
With the communication of every CEO in the world, and virtually no oversight, I bet some of these NSA guys did very well in the stock market.
And considering that they were doing this wiretapping to begin with, their own sense of ethics wouldn't have stopped them. - Waiting2awake, on 01/25/2009, -1/+18tags
You know the usual. Lesbian, Group, Retro, Republicans with underage male pages, all the classics. - MistySteele, on 01/25/2009, -2/+18I'm, um, kind of hesitant to digg or comment on this . . .
- VitriolAndAngst, on 01/25/2009, -1/+17I guess facts proving the conspiracy theories were correct don't have an effect on you.
You are that part of the population that makes such things possible. - spoonerism, on 01/24/2009, -6/+21Follow-up, now with 200% more Olbermann http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/01/nsa-whist ...
- BryanAnderson73, on 01/25/2009, -6/+21Yup... and while us 'conspiracy nuts' are all sitting well with gold coins, storable foods, plenty of weapons and ammo, and a network of people with varied skills to survive... let it not be said that we did not scream bloody murder to the sheeple to try to wake them up so they could have protected themselves. You think its fun being ridiculed for years when all you are trying to do is alert the public to imminent danger? It's like trying to teach a classroom of retards physics.
Let it be called the survival of the fittest in history. Those who were too stupid or hypnotized to prepare to survive ultimately deserve to die in the natural world, unfortunately. Prepare now, while there is still time. The sooner you can say that you do not need the establishment to survive, the sooner you will be able to survive. You cannot put faith in the establishment that they will keep you supplied with the necessities to survive. You HAVE to stand on your own two feet or you are DOOMED. You need to be able to say that you do not NEED anything the 'system' has to offer.
Getting out of the population centers and the non-agricultural areas is the FIRST thing you need to do. All those folks are gambling with their lives. - jake1337, on 01/25/2009, -0/+15We must protect our freedoms by systematically destroying them! Then the terrorists can't win because we beat them to it! That'll teach 'em not to mess with us ever again...wait a minute..
- inactive, on 01/25/2009, -2/+17The patriot act needs to be repealed as any law or bill passed in a knee jerk reaction is inherently flawed.
- gbates31, on 01/25/2009, -2/+16Those jackboots must taste delicious, huh? You've got a little polish on your teeth.
- uselessexpert, on 01/25/2009, -1/+15I thought this was common knowledge already....
So they'll investigate the common citizen, but not the movers and shakers?...
Don't think so... - 69fezz96, on 01/25/2009, -0/+14You were probably tempted to shut up or look like a fool right!? Thats how we regulate ourselves and keep each other on the farm, we don't even need sheep dogs anymore.
- xedd, on 01/25/2009, -2/+15Watch the movie 'Enemy of the State'.
Great movie, and it makes you think about this issue. And also marvel at how far along the govt's monitoring of citizens was, and the movie was made ten freakin years ago... 1998. - odigity, on 01/25/2009, -0/+13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mockingbird
- laser314, on 01/25/2009, -0/+13More than likely they will stay docile and passive as long as American Idol isn't canceled.
- jii731, on 01/25/2009, -0/+13And Obama won't stop NSA from it's illegal spying spree, it seems.
- moxley, on 01/25/2009, -2/+15This is really important. I don't expect much coverage in the mainstream media as they are federal lap dogs in most cases - but people need to understand that this isn't very different from the nazis, the stassi, or any other secret police creating files on people.
In America this is not supposed to happen; and even more disappointing (and what I am really posting about) is that the average citizen is not standing up and demanding an end to this - did they not learn about the same constitution I did in public school? Did they not understand that freedom and liberty demand vigilance?
Tice is a hero; so far he is the only one I know of who stood up and said "this is wrong, it's unamerican and unconstitutional and I have to let America know what's going on here since my superior's reaction was to silence/fire me." Who knows how many people at NSA really knew that this was going on and what the scope of it is - but I cannot imagine the guts it took to do that. I would not want to be on the bad side of any of our iintelligence agencies, and I am sure he didn't want to be either. he says there have been serious intimifdation attempts, sending the FBI to his home and job, etc.
I just hope that there are a lot of people in our intelligence agencies and FBI who really do care about America, about the freedom and heritage of our country....I am sure that there are a lot of intelligent people working in these agencies - let's hope so, because we do need them, it's a dangerous world out there and we'd be at a disadvantage without skilled spies doing what spies do - but spying on and collecting information on Americans simply because they are journalists or disagree with policies is so wrong and goes against everything it suppsoedly means to be American.
from TFA - "The NSA, when confronted with Tice’s allegations, replied it “considers the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens to be sacrosanct,” noting that it faces “immense challenges in protecting our nation,” but, “remains dedicated to performing its mission under the rule of law." - I really hope so...because all of these rights and freedoms that make us American are the things we always pointed out back in the 80s when we looked at our cold war enemies and pointed out how "we would never do such a thing, and how great America is" - our country became a global symbol for freedom and democracy - it inspired a young man in China to face down a tank alone and inspired many, many young chinese students to stand in Tienanmin Square for democracy, and lose their lives when their government shot them.
If these agencies need to spy domestically to keep the country safe then there should be several ways to do so - they should not be keeping it secret, they should be able to get a warrant or put a process in place which allows expediency - allows judicial review or whatever yet allows them to get their warrant abd be above board.....Because when you have secret agencies doing secret things against the public they are supposed to be protecting and then keeping the fact tha they are doing those very things secret to such a degreee it stinks...it stinks of some other agenda. - gbates31, on 01/25/2009, -1/+13Or maybe that was their goal all along?
- WoollyMittens, on 01/25/2009, -2/+14Why is this a conspiracy, according to you? It's government policy.
- elipabst, on 01/25/2009, -0/+12Would not be surprised. They were recording US soldiers having sexually explicit conversations with their spouses and playing them for each other to laugh at. Pretty clear that any kind of oversight is totally absent.
- DangerCollie, on 01/25/2009, -1/+13Justice would be dragging that Republican pussy to the border and throwing him over the fence. No gutless whiner willing to toss aside the Constitution for the safety of his own fat, pasty white hide gets to claim this country as his own.
- GLeNs, on 01/25/2009, -3/+14I wonder if Ill hear this on the news
- szalinski, on 01/25/2009, -1/+12Who was that guy that said give me liberty or give me death, probably just some anti-american nut from a couple hundred years ago who has absolutely no relevance to us today.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 01/25/2009, -0/+10"Hi Grandma, jihad alah akbar, how are you doing, jihad jihad death to america? Sure I would be happy to come by for a visit, jihad bombs great satan. Yes I'll return your Garth Brooks CD. Alah Akbar! And try to cheer up even though McCain lost. And nobody say "colored" anymore, grandma. I love you too Grandma, jihad!!!"
- iancgi, on 01/25/2009, -0/+10Nah ive been fighting the fight for 8 long years no matter what people call or think of me. Because that's what it takes, each and every one of us standing for whats right and what we know is true.
- MadHarvey, on 01/25/2009, -1/+10I think it is our civil duty to bash the president.
I was worried with all the support Obama had pre-election, that the Internet would lose sight of its duty..
I wasn't disappointed. Just look at Digg, the very next day after he won the election there were anti Obama stories and comments. It was almost like a celebration, like, ok our guy won, now its time to do our part.
The greatest benefit of the Internet, is that it became what the Free Press intended to be--An uncompromising check on the Government through mass communication. If we ever let the corporations or government take this away we are lost. -
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