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Musharraf: Bhutto bears responsibility for death

reuters.com — "For standing up outside the car, I think it was she to blame alone. Nobody else. Responsibility is hers," Musharraf said in the interview taped on Saturday morning.

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  • willscottsi, on 01/07/2008, -12/+29I think Musharraf needs to *disappear* in the night.
    • Drahkar, on 01/07/2008, -1/+2I wonder if he realizes anything he says means absolutely ***** right now. Bhutto has been martyred. She died with the words that if she did die it would be his fault and he did nothing to contest it then. Words after the fact mean nothing.
      • CoolWind, on 01/07/2008, -2/+1Musharraf either had her murdered or simply allowed it to happen. Obviously he didn't provide any protection for her. A gunman should not be able to get a head shot with a handgun on any top political candidate.
    • expatcatalyst, on 01/07/2008, -2/+1Yes Musharraf is a knucklehead and anybody who has half paid attention has know that for a long time, but it's not our business. How many here like paying your taxes just to see them given away to some third world crap hole. It's time to stop and yes, I'm going to say it, Ron Paul is our only hope!
  • Napoleone, on 01/07/2008, -3/+78The gunman and conspirators were responsible. She definitely made it easier for them, though.
    • gstep, on 01/07/2008, -2/+8What happened is a tragedy. Bhutto was well aware of the danger though. This came after multiple threats and attempts on her life.
    • XBSHX, on 01/07/2008, -4/+9I don't mean to sound like a dick but she was asking for it. She knew that her life would be in danger if she returned and yet she does anyway. She even continues to stand up hanging out of the sun roof in her car.
      • OtterOwnage, on 01/07/2008, -3/+1yeah.. people forget that musharraf put her on house arrest for a reason..

        crazy lady was bound to get herself killed.
    • Tryptomine, on 01/07/2008, -3/+13Its not the killer's fault, she was standing! Standing!

      I know a few people I'd kill for standing...
    • Barbosa, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3more than 100 people died that same day she returned from exile in a suicide blast that was aimed at her... she definitely could have done more to maintain her security (like not appearing at so many rallies) but in this incident I don't think she is to blame; she was not going to be able to survive the plan to off her unless she went back into exile.
    • jayfish, on 01/07/2008, -4/+1Like a rape victim might make it easier for a rapist by not wearing panties?

      Jay
    • solid12345, on 01/07/2008, -0/+7People keep screaming she didn't have security, but what good is a armored car if you are hanging out the sun roof?
    • yahoofrom, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1JFK conspiracy theorists, Listen to me! For riding a car with no roof, it was JFK to blame alone. Nobody else.
  • seomike, on 01/07/2008, -27/+15Heres a good video of what went down that day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
    • mrloco, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3Damn I haven't seen that one before.
      • ryan83189, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3Actually, I havent seen that video before, just the other one.
    • loki440, on 01/07/2008, -0/+8Damn. . .I'm surprised You Tube allows something so graphic on their site...
      • TheGuruStud, on 01/07/2008, -3/+1I wonder how many unsuspecting saps clicked the link...
        • thatsmyaibo, on 01/07/2008, -0/+4Hell I clicked it hoping it was the Rick Roll. My day is complete.
    • noseeme, on 01/07/2008, -4/+2Wow, how controversial. :) 8 diggers liked it and 8 diggers didn't.
    • MikeFallopian, on 01/07/2008, -0/+7Great footage, but definitely not for the weak of stomach.
    • Barbosa, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2ZuuiU
  • Darren07, on 01/07/2008, -12/+7Well, there was already several attempts to kill her, what the hell did she expect, getting up in such a crowded space with low security?
    Give your speech, shake a few hands, get in the car and get the ***** out. Like every single US President.
  • evilpoptart, on 01/07/2008, -3/+13I think musharaf doesn't care and wants the story over.
    • Groovemaster, on 01/07/2008, -2/+8I think he arranged it and wants the story over.
  • TerrorByteX, on 01/07/2008, -28/+31Half the country wanted Bhutto dead. She was convicted on charges of fraud and exiled for a reason. She's a crook. She stole from the Pakistani treasury, and just ran off.

    She's not the saint that CNN makes her out to be. She was, supposedly, a staunch supporter of democracy. But within her party, she was to remain the leader for life. So if the party ever came to power, she would be the leader for as long as she was alive. Pretty ironic, no?

    No one deserves to die like that, but it was bound to happen. Good riddance.
    • chillypacman, on 01/07/2008, -9/+23Her exile was self imposed.

      She was elected into government.

      The country is in the middle of a civil war and Bhutto carries a lot of influence, her being leader for life has to do with the different political climate in that part of the world.

      SHe may not have been a saint btu she was a credible threat to Musharafs administration. More than likely Musharaf had something to do with her death, and that alone shows what a dangerous man musharaf has become.
      • poiuytrewq44, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3Of course she was a threat, that same night she planned to release her 160 page report on how the coming elections were going to be rigged by Musharraf.
      • source1984, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2i doubt musharaff had anything to do with it. extremist groups wanted her dead. musharaff let her know beforehand. U.S. intelligence ALSO let her know beforehand. however she continued going. she was riding on that support of taking risks. The day she died.. she was giving a speech. On the microsphone was a sign that read "Modren Shaheed" - which means Modern Martyr. she saw herself as a martyr. I doubt musharaff did it though because suicide bombers were involved and its hard to get suicide bombers for secular causes. probably was some extremist group. she just wasn't that big of a threat to musharaff. he has bigger worries. its called nwfp.
        • CoolWind, on 01/07/2008, -1/+1he allowed it to happen by not protecting her
      • theshalit, on 01/07/2008, -0/+7The lesser of two evils is still evil. I preferred living under Musharraf then Bhutto. Atleast Musharraf wasn't an ***** until after the war on terror. Bhutto has been a thief all her life

        I will never understand why she has been treated like a martyr by our opportunist media. The woman was a crook and given power she was no better then musharraf
    • source1984, on 01/07/2008, -7/+1um, it may have been self imposed exile... but trust me.. very few people in the country wanted her.
    • Learn2Think, on 01/07/2008, -0/+9Why the heck is TerrotByteX being dug down?
      Folks, trust me that she was not the saint that the western media is making her out to be.... She appointed herself "Chairperson for life" of her party and left a will appointing her son, who by the way is still in college, as her heir. So much for democracy and rule of law. Her husband was known as Mr. Ten Percent throughout her time in office. She was found guilty of money laundering by Swiss courts. Her brother died in a police shootout when he started challenging her and get this: the crime scene in this case was also washed away before any evidence could be collected and the police officer committed suicide 3 days later :-).
      Check out wikipedia or google for Murtaza Bhutto, her brother and Asif Zardari, her husbanf. It is all out there.
      No one deserves to die like that, no one. But make no mistakes about it: she was a typical 3rd world country, corrupt politician. Not some beacon of hope for democracy and the people of Pakistan.
  • ordig, on 01/07/2008, -2/+30And yet he wouldn't let her hire professional international body guards. Hmmm....
    • source1984, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2who said that?? they offered her body guards. SHE REFUSED. America offered her a company that could provide guards. Her corrupt ass husband refused.
  • andrewcsayer, on 01/07/2008, -7/+28Come Feb 16, Musharraf is going to lose the election and somehow still remain president
  • solidus636, on 01/07/2008, -13/+7I agree with Musharraf on this one because Bhutto was given a bulletproof car, and she had no reason to just come out to wave...
    her death was bound to happen, but if she had not gotten out of that car, she would've still been alive...
    • hagingtree, on 01/07/2008, -2/+1yeah because the car was bomb proof too
  • noseeme, on 01/07/2008, -3/+4This is not the kind of news you're not supposed to care about after it's been sitting around for five days.
  • markp93, on 01/07/2008, -7/+5dick.
  • DIGGADEEP, on 01/07/2008, -4/+2marked man...
  • URnotheonly1, on 01/07/2008, -8/+3she should have hired "Blackwater" and she would probably still be alive. She had no business doing that, she was wide open and BW would have never let it happen.
    • tumples, on 01/07/2008, -1/+7I hope to god you are being sarcastic? Blackwater are the most unprofessional, badly trained and gung ho "private security" teams that are around now. Read about the story where they got shot at so opened fire and killed about 20 civilians in Iraq a couple of months ago.
    • crichton101, on 01/07/2008, -1/+4yes, the likelihood of her still being alive would be better with them, sadly, the likelihood of everyone around them in the general vicinity, including any attackers and/or innocents surviving aren't quite as good. Those blackwater dumbasses are more jumpy and trigger happy then a chihuahua with a M60.
    • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Blackwater would have done it themselves ...
  • appleseed1234, on 01/07/2008, -8/+1Who the hell does this ***** think he is? It's them that we should be invading, they're unstable as ***** and they actually do have nukes.
    • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Musharraf is useful to the West. He's an anti-extremism leader of a large Muslim country - "we" will be trying to stabilise him and keep him in power, if anything.
  • gothelium, on 01/07/2008, -2/+7Yeah, 'cause she also fired the gun and set off a bomb..
  • Aanidaani, on 01/07/2008, -4/+11Talk about obvious... the moment she entered the country again she endangered her lives and the lives of countless others. Not only was she at fault for her own death, but her rallies also led to the massacre of thousands of her followers. Regardless of how important her political message was, the truth is that she was in large part responsible for what happened.
    • GamerVer05, on 01/07/2008, -2/+1thousands? facts?
    • spartan2, on 01/07/2008, -2/+3So it's the black's fault for getting lynched because he should have known that all towns in the southern United States hate blacks? Being aware of what people think about you does not constitute you being responsible for what they do to you.

      Now, most people do take precautions in situations such as these, but sometimes there is nothing more they can do.

      "Damn, I hope no one hates you or your family so much that you can't leave your house without fear of imminent death. Better yet, it might even be too dangerous to stay inside that deathtrap of a house of yours, seein' as how it has all that natural gas in pipes that are predisposed to start leaking without any warning."
      • twinklyJesus, on 01/07/2008, -1/+1If you rob someone, then have the temerity to walk back into their house, you do deserve what you get.

        She stole 1.5 Billion dollars from the treasury and then fled the country. No one in any government had to do anything for her to be killed. All they had to do was stand back and let it happen. Which, they very effectively did.
  • l0k0, on 01/07/2008, -1/+7"For standing up outside the car, I think it was she to blame alone. Nobody else. Responsibility is hers," Musharraf said in the interview taped on Saturday morning.
    No one else!? Not the gunman? Not the suicide bomber? Not your hopelessly unstable and incompetent rule, which desperately needs replacing? At the very worst she was partly to blame, but to say "it was she to blame alone" is blasphemous and incredibly disrespectful.
  • giveer, on 01/07/2008, -3/+2Oh c'mon.. she was well aware of the risks of returning to the entire COUNTRY. I'm certain it was on her mind. I think being that open in public was a strong statement and a pronouncement against the people who would have tried (and lo, did) kill her. Seeing that their terrorism ISN'T working is the best way to insult whoever's causing the terrorism.
  • swordedge, on 01/07/2008, -1/+4Everyone that doesn't think that Musharraf is the next best thing to Mohammed causes their own death, even if the mechanism is a bullet from someone on Musharraf's payroll.
  • zoffdino, on 01/07/2008, -5/+3Ok folks, read the Wikipedia article on her and you will find that she had been Prime Minister twice, each time she/her husband and other party members have been accused (though never tried nor convicted, to be fair) of stealing taxpayers' money. She forced herself to self-exile for a reason, and I don't think that reason is for the good of the Pakistani people.

    That's not enough Bhutto? She has enough evidence to see that her life was in clear danger:The day she returned, violence touched her face, killing 300+ people; the country was rocked by Muslim extremists, who threaten to kill almost anyone running in the election; political assassination is commonplace in the corner of the world. She is every single bit responsible for her own death, for the failure to recognize the situation she put herself in and being an idiocratic, and ignorant presidential hopeful that she so is.

    Wake up people, she is not the saint that CNN made her to be. She's not pro-democratic either (she is leader for life of her party). So what the hell can she offer to the Pakistani? Not peace, of course.
    • redcard, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3She even admitted on NPR, NPR of all places! that while the money was taken, none of it is in her name, and therefore she is not liable for it.

      Granted.. it's in her mother's name.. her husband's name.. one of her kid's name..an aunt's name.. a grandmother's name... but not hers. Nope.

      This is why the husband didn't take over, because he is sitting on a ton of the Pakistani people's money in Dubai.
    • spartan2, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1I don't have all the information but you are jumping the gun a bit by saying that 'she ain't all she's cracked up to be' just because she has been ACCUSED of wrongdoing. Have you ever thought that Bhutto may have been accused of stealing money from the tax payers by one of Musharraf's followers that wasn't doing for reasons of integrity or for public wellbeing? Bhutto may have exiled herself on account of numerous death threats towards her and her family. Maybe she didn't want to deal with the terrorists but couldn't get the police to crack down on them due to their complicity with Musharraf and/or the terrorists. We really don't know the current chain of events in Pakistan because what little facts we have are polluted with opinions presented as fact and pleas to emotion. Just to reiterate, it isn't Bhutto's fault that there are people out there that could only settle their disputes by killing her, not at a conference table.
    • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Wait wait, you admit she was never convicted (never even tried) yet run through two paragraphs as if that wasn't the case? Mob mentality, much?
  • glinsvad, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3That is a polluted stream of consciousness
  • TheMu, on 01/07/2008, -2/+3And people who are killed in drive-by shootings? Their fault for standing outside.
  • THETEH, on 01/07/2008, -2/+3Yeah, it's all her fault!!! Just like Abraham Lincoln was solely to blame for his own assassination--he shouldn't have given that speech that night, instead he should have GUESSED that someone in the crowd was going to shoot him!!! Gimme a break.
    • Sirsri, on 01/07/2008, -2/+0To the extent that for every descision there are consequences you are correct. Lincoln assessed the risks, personal strategic etc... and made the call, and for that you can be thankful you were only 30 years behind your former british masters in abolishing slavery.

      Bhutto on the other hand, decided to stand up outside the protection of her armoured vehicle in a crowd full of people, after numerous attempts to kill her, one of which involved suicide bombing a bus, killing 300 people and very nearly her what a month before?

      So then you go to the question of whether or not Lincoln should have or should not have given that speech and sat unprotected in a theatre. Well perhaps had he decided "you know, I gave this great speech and pissed off all the crazies in my country, maybe I shouldn't go rambling around unprotected in public" the US would have lost.... a president seeing a show? There's a reason no current US president can go out in public like that.

      Both Lincoln and Bhutto need not have died in the time and place it happened and much of that owes to their own lax personal security, Lincoln however did a great deal of good before he died, Bhutto, well, uh, her party likes her cause she tried to loot the country for them!
    • theshalit, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2You don't know ***** about Lincoln do you..
    • redcard, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2See.. this is why America is in the perdicament it's in. Nobody freaking KNOWS anything about the history.

      Dumbasses. Lincoln didn't give a speech. He freaking went to Ford's theatre, and a gunman (Boothe) snuck past a secret service agent, and shot another, before getting to him.
    • schnikies79, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Do what?I was going to reply but I changed my mind.

      Read up a little on the Lincoln assassination then come back.
    • THETEH, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Oops. I really botched that witty banter, didn't I? Anyway, the point I was trying to make is still the same: don't blame assassinations on the victims, at least not completely. Most people don't have the psychic ability to assess everything they do for assassination risk.
  • GamerVer05, on 01/07/2008, -2/+1If she hadn't stood up she wouldn't of hit her head on the sun roof obviously.
  • source1984, on 01/07/2008, -1/+2you people are taking it out of context. when he says she bears responsibility. he doens't it mean in that sense. OBVIOUSLY, the murderers are responsible. but you don't get it. in that part of the world.. things get very violent. MANY people want MANY people dead and they actually commit the act. She received many warnings from musharaff, cia, etc., but she wanted to keep going. In that sense, musharaff is saying it wasn't his fault. for example.. come to a market in a poor area of karachi... flash your dollars around and walk with dollars hanging out of your purse. when you get mugged, of course its the mugger's fault since he robbed you, but no one will give you sympathy for walking through a poor area ASKING to get mugged. it's a tragedy she died, but she also could've been more careful. we need to move forward. who cares how she died. God bless her soul, thats all we can say, AND NOW MOVE ON.
    • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Tell me, was she more at risk on a stage in full view, or in a moving (albeit slowly) car with her head out of a sunroof? Not much difference if you ask me, and I don't see anyone blaming her or anyone else for any other occasion where about a third of one's body is a viable target.
  • csopelario, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1if someone cracked musharraf's head open with a .50 cal, would that be his own fault, in his own opinion? either way, that is very disrespectful to bhutto, i don't give a fizuck how bad it is in that part of the world.
  • pardonmedoug, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Is it just a 21st Century thing or has the world always been run by a bunch of goddamned retards?
    • kidcodea, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1nowadays they are just more visible due to media

  • rowlodge, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1I'm sorry but she endangered everybody everytime she got out of her vehicle, how many of you would've stood around next to her in a crowd of people ? if you said yeah, your life buddy.
  • ahughes, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1So by his "logic", if I enlist in the US Army, get sent to Iraq and get killed, I guess my death was my fault for enlisting in the first place.
    • solid12345, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1You knew the risk and thus can't really bitch, so I think it is a valid comparison.
    • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1There's a difference between bearing some responsibility and being totally "at fault". Yes you'd have done something that, eventually, contributed to your own dead but I think the bullet (or whatever) played a part too.
  • killq, on 01/07/2008, -5/+0It is partially her parent's fault for creating such a dumb bitch.
  • philhatesyou, on 01/07/2008, -1/+1Common sense: if people want you dead, don't poke your head up out of the car.
  • lead2thehead, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0He thinks it's her fault based solely on the fact that she's a woman.
  • amightywind, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3Bhutto as the martyr for democracy is a laugh. Do you forget that her corrupt kleptocracy brought the military and Musharraf to power in the first place? I mourn the crime for the nation, not the victim.
    • lead2thehead, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0Kleptocracy? I would have said "gynocracy".
  • MJG2007, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Makes sense to me. If you can't trust a military dictator who suspends civil liberties and dismisses the supreme court, who can you trust?
  • garg, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3It's true. It was a dumb move on her part. She herself complained that security was bad and then she stood out of her sun roof? Who does that? I've been to Pakistan and even as person of low political importance, I kept my head in the car.

    The investigators should look into what part her husband had to play in her death. He got Benazir's brother killed and now Benazir died and he's the head of her political party all ready to become the next leader of Pakistan.
  • kidcodea, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1sometimes a woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do.
  • badfishmedia, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2He could have been a little less callous about it but she could have been more careful. I would not hang out a car sunroof if I knew people wanted me assassinated.
  • shastafide, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1to andrewcsawyer... Feb 16 he will remain president because he is not on the ballot you f'ing tard.. He won the presidency fair and square 6 months ago! This is a Parlimentary election bone heads..... you sound as stupid as hillary... pathetic!
  • lastfarker, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2I was in Pakistan when she was assassinated. One thing 99% of Pakistan population agrees is that she didn't deserve to die this way --no one does.

    But Please take a little history into context when looking at this tragedy. Bhutto was by no means the saint she's made out to be in the west. The "self imposed" exile was to avoid multiple fraud case prosecution. In fact she and her husband were convicted by a swiss court for banking fraud (money likely looted from Pakistan).

    I'm in no way supporting Musharraf's or his rather insensitive comments. But do consider the historical facts and get information from multiple sources, especially from independent sources rooted in that country. Pakistani's feel very misunderstood in the west, its people have suffered more loss in their own land than the US. All because of some previously underground ***** in army and the volatile tribal region.
  • tk0680, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1This ... seems to be a fantastically stupid thing for him to do.
  • Sheff, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0Musharraf: It's her fault for coming out of her house and getting in the way of the assassin's bullet. BTW I need more US troops to clean up this mess. Kthxbai.
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