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- Pigeon, on 07/02/2009, -11/+202The UK will never solve the problem because the Government won't understand the problem: Chavs.
Who do you see in every town centre drunk and fighting? Chavs.
Who do you see hanging around in large groups the street? Chavs.
Who do you see making council estates horrible places to live? Chavs.
Who steals cars then burn them out? Chavs.
Who shouts random insults at people in the street who haven't even interacted with them? Chavs.
The generation of chavs I went to school with have already been breeding more scum.
The ***** argument about "they're poor", "they had a bad childhood" boo-*****-hoo. I was poor. I was beaten by my father. I was homeless. I had a ***** childhood. I now work, earn a nice amount of money in a job I enjoy. Have a place to live. Its all *****, they are just lazy, stupid and malicious.
When I had to collect unemployment after being made redundant. Who makes up 80% of the people in the Jobcentre? Chavs. The government allows them to game the system. Normal people, like I, get harassed to "just take any job", they tell me that I might not get money if I don't take a job they tell me to (Which I'm not qualified for, have no experience or interest). Yet you see chavs turn up in ***** CARS. You get £100 every two weeks, how the ***** do you own a car with that amount money? They collect unemployment while working for cash and not even paying any ***** tax. They've been on it for YEARS.
While I hate Daily Mail hysterics, when you live in the middle of an estate full of the ***** you can't help but agree. I can't walk down the road without getting something thrown at me or insults shouted my way. I can work 60-70 hours a week and still get LESS money then some of these idiots on benefits.
This country is ***** unless it sorts out the amount of scum that breeds. Need more money? Have a baby! That's what its come to. "Naaaa, I got pregnant so now they have to give me a house and I'll get extra money every week" <- Actual converstaion from a chav girl on the bus a few weeks ago.
/rant - KMye, on 07/02/2009, -9/+95People from the UK are better qualified to speak o this than I am, but this feels like a it could have a lot to do with how crimes are reported and recorded in various countries...
I've never been to South Africa, so who knows, but I find it incredibly difficult to believe the violent crime rate there is really lower than the UK's...
Also, Canada and Finland have higher violent crime rates than the US??? Too tired to go about it now, but I feel like there are probably other easily found sources out there that show markedly different rankings than this chart, sourced from "Conservatives, EU Commission, UN" (whatever that really means) does... - dazparkour, on 07/03/2009, -3/+73Daily Mail saying the country is going to hell? Say it ain't so!
- brettg102, on 07/03/2009, -3/+72http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
...I needed to use Wikipedia to educate myself. Figure others will too. I love the English people's slang! - BalancingAct, on 07/02/2009, -1/+58I wholeheartedly agree!
"chavs"
We call them something different up north, but it's not repeatable :p
I think the parents of those chavs should take a large share of the blame. - inactive, on 07/03/2009, -5/+59Source of the problem? chavs.
- BalancingAct, on 07/02/2009, -0/+45I, too, think that is one of the likely factors.
Also classification of crime is a likely factor, as alluded to in the article:
"In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured."
And of course, they can make the statistics show anything they like - eatasandwich, on 07/03/2009, -6/+491st: Daily Mail.
2nd: The TYPE of violent crime reported is significant.
3rd: Englands violent crime and gang culture is very different to that of America or any other country for that matter. I feel safer walking the streets in America at night than I did walking home from my local pub in England (I moved to the US 10 years ago). However, if I did encounter crime here in the US, I'm sure the risk of harm or death would be higher.
To take things to an extreme to show my point: People as a whole are more likely to get in a fisticuffs at kindergarten than they are in prison. Does that mean you'd rather take your chances in prison? Violent crime in the UK may well be more common, but I'd rather be punched in the face and chased down the street 5 times a month than I would be shot in the face and dragged behind a car down the street once. - BurningSky, on 07/03/2009, -2/+41I studied abroad in Newcastle for four months in 2008. One day I was walking back to my flat from the train station. I was literally right outside the station when a chav randomly punched me in the face. Split my lip and knocked my glasses off. I walked back into the station, found a cop, and had him arrested.
Another time, I was walking back to my flat with a few of my friends, and two chavs, one that had just gotten in a fight (he was drunk and had a broken hand) picked a fight with us. The broken hand guy swung at me. I dodged, and he was too drunk to keep going so he just fell to the pavement. The other guy backed off because we were six strong.
And another time, I was walking back to my flat with my girlfriend who had just flown in to visit from the US and my best friend. We were walking down the street, not saying a word, when two chavs, a guy and his girlfriend, started yelling at us and following us. My friend had an ounce of weed on him, so we gave the guy a few grams to get him off our backs.
After my first couple of months in the country, I was constantly on alert for chavs. I felt completely unsafe every time I left my flat. Not cool... - BalancingAct, on 07/02/2009, -21/+60That doesn't surprise me at all. Part of the problem is the stupid political correctness we have here that makes the justice system far too soft on the criminal.
- GrownupPhan, on 07/03/2009, -1/+36TWENTY FOUR% of men in SA admitted freely in a poll to having committed rape. Many admitted to gang rape and claimed it was used as a means of "bonding." Refugees from Zimbabawe are often brutalized, including set on fire. When it comes to rampant crime, there's violence, and then there's violence.
- kd1s, on 07/03/2009, -2/+33This is the same UK that is one of the most camera laden sites in the world. Apparently cameras don't replace good old fashioned police work.
- poppabk, on 07/03/2009, -1/+28As someone who was raised in the UK and now living in the US I can say that this doesn't surprise me at all. The UK has always had a problem with random violence as a part of the drinking culture. For a lot of people that is part of a fun night out, go drinking, eat a curry and have a fight.
- inactive, on 07/03/2009, -2/+27@theodenking
Yes, because we all know criminals obey gun laws. We also know that it's impossible for them to get bootleg guns in a gunless country.
/s - ZhiZaki, on 07/03/2009, -8/+33Doesn't seem like banning guns, putting up "security cameras" and leaving the police to fight crime with a short stick is really working over there huh?
All joking aside, guns don't kill people, Chavs do. - siszam, on 07/03/2009, -20/+42Plus the fact that it's an unarmed society. Criminals know their victims won't defend themselves. An armed society is a polite society.
- HappyScrappy, on 07/03/2009, -2/+24I think you're overstating the chances of getting shot in the US.
It really does depend on where you are. But every street argument doesn't turn into a shooting match in the US. - mrhahn, on 07/03/2009, -2/+24Sensationalist lies are the Daily Mail's bread and butter, mate.
- localzuk, on 07/03/2009, -2/+23Ah, you happened to choose one of the worst areas for Chav infestation... Newcastle. Legendary for their behaviour up there... I blame the beer.
- Pigeon, on 07/03/2009, -0/+21You don't get the point:
I don't do anything to them. I don't interact with them in any way. I don't talk to them, insult them, look at them.
Yet they will still be insulting, threatening to me. The reason? I'm male, have long blonde hair and skateboard. I'm "different" and to them it is a legitimate reason to be a *****. And before you say it I'm not emo, goth or anything, I just like skating and having long hair. - charlie55, on 07/03/2009, -3/+23the dude just said we are not harsh enough on the criminals.
- HappyScrappy, on 07/03/2009, -2/+22Doesn't surprise me at all. For some young adults in Britain, the yobbo (ASBO) lifestyle is worn with honor. They don't ruin the whole country, not by far, but they do leave their mark on the statistics and the people unlucky enough to be around when a chav just feels like doing some damage.
For those above who bring guns into play, it isn't about guns, it's just plain old beating people up, sometimes brutally. It doesn't take a gun to initiate violence. - akatsuki, on 07/03/2009, -2/+21And the rest of Western Europe? Nice political line, but it just isn't backed up with reality.
- Stevanoski, on 07/03/2009, -6/+25Here in the US (The Colonies to you), many, many break-ins are foiled by elderly who are armed. Most of the time they never have to use the weapon, just brandish it.
Remember a study done by a Liberal Prof at Univ. of Chicago who wanted to prove how bad guns are. To his surprise (and to his credit he published his findings even though they went against his ideas) he found that guns prevented crimes many more times than previously thought. And most of the time they were never used.
http://www.time.com/time/community/transcripts/cha ...
I find that just as criminals can be deterred by higher arrest or conviction rates, they can also be deterred by the fact that would-be victims might be able to defend themselves with a gun. Criminals are less likely to commit a crime as the probability that a victim is going to be able to defend themselves increases. - Yazilliclick, on 07/03/2009, -4/+23Those stats seem a bit suspect, and that it's from the dailymail makes me even more suspicious. The ultimate conclusion that violence has risen may be true but I doubt the details.
- shedtroll, on 07/03/2009, -3/+22Violent? Care to say that to my face?
Still, as a Brit, I feel ashamed that my country i rated most violent in the world. To anyone reading this please take into mind...it's the chavs...
***** me I hate chavs. - LordByr0n, on 07/03/2009, -1/+20This is digg... everything is repeatable!
- JimmyTheClam, on 07/03/2009, -7/+26The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents
Canada 935
Australia 92
South Africa 1,609
U.K. 2,034
I'd say YOU need to try again ZenMojo - LokitheComplex, on 07/03/2009, -7/+24Yeah these stats are very very dubious.
Sure there is violent crime in the UK, maybe its even going up.
But see here on Wikipedia the international homicide rate.
Homicide per 100,000
UK 2.03
South Africa 38.6
Austria 0.81
Sweden 2.64
Belgium 1.50
Canada 1.85
Finland 2.17
Netherlands 0.97
Luxemburg 0.9
France 1.59
USA 5.8
Saying European countries are as violent as South Africa is sensationalist lies. - inactive, on 07/03/2009, -0/+16Nope, chavs are the problem. Over thinking it is not the solution though, famine is.
- LokitheComplex, on 07/03/2009, -1/+17I think its safe to say we might expect there to be a relationship between the homicide rate and the violent crime rate. Violent crime might be more difficult to define than homicide, though even in that definition might have issues.
So do you really believe that South Africa is safer than the UK? - aleone31, on 07/02/2009, -9/+24Thats the way of the Nanny state. The criminals are the victims, just look at the way GB treats victims of violent crime. Many documented cases of victims being prosecuted for defending themselves during a crime, and receiving stiffer penalties then the criminal committing the crime. The nanny state always leads to these kind of reversed logic in ethics. It's about control. The state is the "Only One" responsible for your happiness.
- ScubaSt3ve, on 07/03/2009, -3/+18Well according to this, Canada is twice as violent as the US, and Sweden is almost 3 times as violent as the US. Not 100% sure about these statistics to tell you the truth, it seems a lot is getting lost when they're averaging out the numbers
- inactive, on 07/03/2009, -1/+16I saw group of British 'chavs' (btw awsome slang word) visiting China. The walked up a elderly chineese man and knocked him to the ground. Within seconds local Chineese men swarmed on the chavs and beat the living crap out of them. Some of Chineese were beating them up with sticks and hammers (yes friggen hammers) After a few mintues the police arrive to clear the scene. None of chavs were standing some were crawling around and few laying on the ground. An ambulance came and it only picked up the eldery man. Once the ambulance left the police then started to beat on the chavs with rifle butts, boots and nightsticks. By the time they were done all the chavs were laying the ground. The police litterally back up a van and the chavs were thrown in to the back of the van.
How long do you thinks chavs in the UK will last if people in UK acted in the same way they did in China? My guess not that long. - DocHoliday22, on 07/03/2009, -1/+15In London, UK, we have so much ***** going on with MPs and local councils that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out we have a problem. A lot of the problems the local council can solve such as sticking to laws and dealing with YOBS like they were employed to do, but the problem with these council people are that they're zombies. If you have ever spoken to someone from the council you know that these people do not have a passion for their job. I can say a lot more, but I think people from London know what I am talking about...
- Bloodweaver, on 07/03/2009, -0/+13Yah that's what we want. Witch-hunts and lynchings by mob justice. Very ignorant comment.
- BalancingAct, on 07/03/2009, -0/+13"Chav" tends to be a term that's used in the South East(inc London) and South West of Britain. We don't use that term in the northern counties. We call them scallies
- pathy, on 07/03/2009, -0/+13***** agreed.
- solid12345, on 07/03/2009, -1/+14Hey now chavs are hot, and they put out!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/39519414_6423080 ... - Crimsoneer, on 07/03/2009, -8/+20It's the damn Daily Mail. Don't listen to this right wing propaganda, they're a horrible, horrible newspaper. And I read the WSJ.
- SarcasticEye, on 07/03/2009, -0/+12Well I've lived in Glasgow my whole life which certainly has its fair share of Bams (Chavs) and have barely had any problem with the wee *****. You can get unlucky, but usually if you give them a wide enough berth, avoid ***** areas and learn the art of anti-engagement (which usually consists of crossing to the other side of the road, or changing direction well in advance, as in at first sight and not replying to anything they say) you'll get by ok. If you live in a bad area you've got no chance though.
- alima2000, on 07/03/2009, -1/+13I have never been to England so I can't comment on the crime there, but I live in South Africa and can tell you that most people don't have much faith in the police, if someone broke into your house and you call the police you are lucky if they come to your home on the same day to investigate. I have heard stories of people catching burglars who tried to break into their house and they had to let the burglar go because the police just didn't show up.
Because of the lack of faith in the police, there are a lot of crimes that just aren't reported because people know often the police won't be able to do anything about it, most rape crimes aren't reported and the few that are often don't end up in convictions.
And for GrownupPhan who said that 1 in 4 of SA men admiting to rape. That was just a survey done in a poor township where many of the people are unemployed so it doesn't really represent 1 in 4 of all SA men. But I agree the number of rape in South Africa is too high.
I have also heard stories of burglars breaking into a lesbian couple home to steal their belongings and then even offering to rape the woman to cure them of their lesbian ways. - Rudegar, on 07/03/2009, -3/+15yeah! a gun down in the town center is the solution!
- maffiou, on 07/03/2009, -0/+11I live in the UK but grew up in France...
It's obvious to me that attitude to crime reporting is totally different in France and the UK. - weeFred, on 07/03/2009, -0/+11WTF are you talking about, it's a free society, they can choose to go to a library and educate themselves the same as anybody else. The people we're talking about have no empathy with their fellow man, all they think about is themselves and yet you make them out to be some kind of noble down trodden underclass. I was brought up in a ***** estate full of chavs and I don't spend my time trying to be the biggest prick in town, so my question is: Why do they?
- faskippy, on 07/03/2009, -8/+19But, but, how can this be??? They don't have guns!
- ProfessorSYM, on 07/02/2009, -13/+23Perhaps another part of the problem is blaming the government rather than the criminals themselves.
- SuicideMouse, on 07/03/2009, -2/+12More law enforcement != Less crime.
I would also argue that more prison causes more crime. - evilesttoast, on 07/03/2009, -2/+12I think you should beat the ***** out of Chavs with a bunch of other people. They sound like leeches on society to me.
- steelsky, on 07/03/2009, -1/+11Whoo! It's not often we in the UK come out on top!
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