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Most spied-upon road in Britain STILL plagued by crime

telegraph.co.uk — There are 102 CCTV cameras monitoring crime on the two-mile road. At the time, police disclosed there had been 430 offenses committed over six months on Holloway Road, including 29 serious assaults, 15 robberies and 32 burglaries. "Having so many cameras in one place actually makes police investigations harder..."

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  • lickmylovepump, on 10/11/2007, -8/+40has anybody read the end of the book 1984?
    • SteelChicken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12yes, 20 years ago in highschool. refresh our memories.
    • xerus, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1Damn you got to read 1984 in high school?
      • Slackersrule, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I read it on my own, in high school.

        Then I found out that we had to read it for an assignment a month later... XD
    • biggD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The theory and practice of oligarchic collectivism
    • biggD, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"left" and "right" are scams. Elites rule you.

      Their agenda is to lay their command and control grid in preparation for a collapse when any number of things occur. engineered pandemic, peak oil, synthetic Al-CIA-da terrorist attack

      infowars.com
      prisonplanet.com
    • scott88008, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I actually read the whole book, not just the end.
    • rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm only up to the point where winston's still having sex with his GF
  • shootdashit, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50what's interesting is how on ccn they're running a story that cameras are helping in britain and ask "why isn't america (using cameras everywhere)?" i wonder who's pushing that agenda.
    • dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -10/+13the new world order
    • UberNick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I heard that quote from a reporter live on CNN and almost shat myself. What the *****!?
  • fpcyber, on 10/11/2007, -1/+63Do it the old fashioned way. Hire officers to be THERE! Wouldn't that help bring the crime down?
    • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Constable On Patrol
    • mc7winkie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+6According to digg all that would happen is that the police officers would abuse their power and throw innocent people in jail. Also according to digg I learned that all of those cameras are for making us conform and forget that 9/11 was an inside job. /sarcasm
      • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1UK has one of the bes tpolice forces in the world. compared to the US the UK 's police are top class.

        BTW they're friendlier from my experiences with a UK officer.
        In the US get drunk at a bar try to walk to your cab. The police sees you and arrest maybe pepper sprays you.
        in the UK get drunk at a bar try to walk to a cab, and the police sees you. They help you get to your cab.

        There is a difference.

        Seeing that in the US police don't even follow the traffic laws.
    • Crimsoneer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Yeah, cos we can really afford to have hundreds of met officers on holloway road 24/7.
      • t0mh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I lived 30 yards off the Holloway Road for 7years, and I can count the number of police I saw in that time on my fingers. I doubt hundreds of police would be nessecary, just *some* police would have been nice though.
    • CueBall909, on 10/11/2007, -6/+5Or they could do it the REALLY old fashioned way, and allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
      “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
      - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria
      • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"Dont get mad, get even" is what you're basically saying. STFU.
  • Clogs, on 10/11/2007, -10/+24July 7 -- The CCTV images deconstructed

    To date, no CCTV images of the four alleged suicide bombers have ever been released showing all four of the accused in London on July 7th 2005. In fact, only one CCTV image has ever been released which purports to show all four of the accused together outside Luton Station, approximately 30 miles from the scenes of the crimes, in which three faces are completely unidentifable.

    Of the three images released by the authorities since July 7th 2005, none of them offer any sort of proof that all, or indeed any of the alleged perpetrators, were in London at the time of the attacks.

    http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-cctv-evidence.html
  • dfdub, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11"13-year-old Hakeem Johnston stabbed Noor Kasimi to death in a Holloway Road pizza shop where he worked, after being refused a £1 special offer." - Sounds like a kid in dire need of anger management therapy
    • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2hey!! they catch him!!!...so the cameras work
      • JohnReb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Tell that to Noor Kasimi
        • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You are never going to avoid that type of crimes even with cameras; proof is all the crimes committed by the husband against their wife..
          You avoid many other and this ones you arrest the killer...
        • Psych77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The camera's job is not to prevent crime, but to aid in solving crimes. Solving crimes are meant to lead to a reduction in crime, by removing offenders from the streets and / or working as a deterrent to others. So yes, the kid may be dead, but without the camera would the offender have been caught?
      • hambend, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1A crime that reckless and psychotic would have been easy to solve even without cameras.
    • Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Welcome to the ***** that is the current state of England.

      Bring me back Wilde and we'll talk.
      • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2well in the states you will get shot if someone thinks you're looking at them when in fact you may be looking at something else in their direction.
      • Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1See thats why guns should never be legal over here. *****, ugh I hate this word, chavs are bad enough with close range knives, never mind easy access to pistols.
    • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sounds like a kid in dire need of the Death Penalty.
    • Pssdoff, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A CCTV camera isn't going to stop you from being stabbed or robbed.

      They are just a huge waste of money that can be rendered moot with a $5 ski mask.
      • FriskDown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0At least if you get attacked on camera, there is photographic evidence and there is a good chance at getting medical help fast.
  • hiPpymIck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4tuesdays Diane Rehm show on NPR was about the plan to copy London CCTV in Manhattan..
    http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/07/07/10.php#13264
  • NachoBusiness, on 10/11/2007, -8/+7So when I go out on the street and see a crime committed out in the open, I'm spying? How rude of me...
  • redrock34, on 10/11/2007, -7/+32This should be used as an example of why spying on your citizens DOES NOT WORK!
    • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4yes; it works
    • Crimsoneer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6It took the brits 5 days to find the July 7th bombers, and that was entirely thanks to cctv.
      • Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7You mean the part where they said it was and then later it was released that there was one camera that caught them on tape and 3 out of 4 faces were completely unrecognizable? OH, and they were 30 miles away? Follow up on ALL stories before reporting on them as true. Basically, someone would very much like their multi-billion dollar camera system to seem like it's worth it to those poor taxpayers.
      • Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Funny, I think prevention would have been the goal.

        Besides, adding cameras won't do diddly-squat against people who aren't too afraid to get caught, and won't stop suicide bombings for obvious reasons.
        • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Cameras are not to stop suicide bombers..
          I repeat what I said in previous post. I very much doubt that you are going to do a serious felony with a camera recording your face....I believe the cameras work...
      • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1''It took the brits 5 days to find the July 7th bombers'' - would have been better to find them weeks earlier, don't you think?
  • tuzziel, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14The truth about CCTVs used today is that use some ***** black&whilte 320x200 or blury PAL 480p resolution so even if something is actually captured nobody is able recognize *****, I mean 2Mpixel full motion cameras would make a big difference, but these are not available so maybe in the (distant) future CCTVs will be really usefull.
    • DeathJux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+50WTF are you talking about? Haven't you seen CSI? Just hit "Enhance."
      • Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6(Framing going high-tech)
        "So go to the edit menu and look for Enhance... Hey, what's this 'Edit->Paste Gun' option?"
        • FriskDown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Its in the "Tools" menu under "Weapon Options" lol
  • Liam76, on 10/11/2007, -0/+36If it is only a two mile road how about getting some cops to patrol it???
    • dfdub, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2I'm not so sure a few unarmed cops are going to deter all that crime.
    • stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Patrolling the road for crime would divert them from dealing with the menace that is drivers doing 32 in a 30mph zone.
  • thepeacemaker, on 10/11/2007, -10/+14How is this a violation of privacy? The authorities are simply observing the streets on a tv instead of being there in person - less effective than being there but also a much cheaper option. Even if it doesn't decrease crime it may perhaps aid in identifying the criminals. If installing cameras was a bad idea then how come so many businesses and organizations around the country (walmarts, banks, strip malls, churches, etc) have cameras outside their premises?
    • spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3I don't understand the the argument that having more is worse, what difference does it make if you're being filmed by 10 cameras or 50?
      • kn3x, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"If installing cameras was a bad idea then how come so many businesses and organizations around the country (walmarts, banks, strip malls, churches, etc) have cameras outside their premises?"

        because it's their right to do so; it's their property. this is open, public space we're talking about.
        • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They install cameras because is their right; OK, but that is not the answer; why install all those cameras, spend all that money if they are not effective? (I'm talking about the private businesses).
          To say that cameras are not effective is just plain STUPID. You can argue that is an invasion of privacy, George Orwell etc etc. BUT to say they do nothing is just plain STUPID.
        • Psych77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1...where anyone has the right to observe anyone else going about their business. So again, what's the problem?
    • Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you seriously suggesting that spending billions of dollars on cameras that MIGHT catch a criminal is a better idea than hiring an actual officer? And that even if it doesn't actually deter crime, it's still ok? You do know that masks cover up your face right? And that the cameras don't have any facial identifying software or the capability to actually present possible evidence in court due to the bad footage? I mean, what the hell is the point? You may as well give them photo paper and a pinhole box.
      • mos6507, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Cameras have identified criminals in many occasions. You'd be surprised how stupid they can be. If you or someone close to you were a victim of a crime you'd want video evidence considering how hard it is to convict someone of a crime in a modern civilized society.
      • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You miss the point. No-one wants to be a police officer in this country. Or a nurse/doctor for that matter. There isn't enough interest in the job to simply 'hire a police officer' otherwise it would have (read: should have) been done already. And for the record, we know CCTV doesn't work right now.
  • iceman0113, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5hmm, v for vendetta anyone?
  • PEMDAS, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8O for Orwell?
  • DiggzDE, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12I think another fact that should be taken into account is that even with firearms being banned, it is obvious that violence has not declined significantly.

    "At the time, police disclosed there had been 430 offences committed over six months on Holloway Road, including 29 serious assaults, 15 robberies and 32 burglaries."
    • 3drage, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Lose one for the gun control nuts.
      • iiDLii, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3or plus one depending how you look at it. If they had guns they would be shooting each other, and more people survive being stabbed than shot
        • FriskDown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Just because guns are illegal doesn't mean that criminals can't get them. All that the gun control laws do is take guns out of the hands of responsible citizens in need of self defense. Violent criminals will always obtain weapons illegally.
    • stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3We have the knife, primitive, but sadly just as effective at keeping our murder rates high. They could ban them but then it would be death by pointy stick, its a true fact that 'people kill people'.
      • irgeorge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4err, knives are banned, in the sense you can't walk around with a knife in your pocket... being as it is an offensive weapon.
      • dagnome1984, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3It's funny that chefs in England have to ask permission from mommy government in order to have knifes. You guys sure have been taking it in the ass by your own government.
        • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah, because you know how our chef's work all the way over there in your bubble-wrapped country.
        • spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1not only is that plain not true (you can walk in to any department store and buy a set of knives), the state of America due to lawsuits make you a far, far more controlled nation.
    • Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I think Jackie Mason hit the nail on the head with "Anybody's who's in favor of gun control is a ***** moron."

      There are an unfortunate number of morons.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Violence hasn't declined because they never had guns.

      Shootings are down. Lot's less people getting killed per capita in all the other civilized nations than in the states.

      MOST gun control measures don't prohibit guns -- they ask for sensible changes. Safety locks that are child proof. Fingerprint ID for a lot of police weapons. Banning armor penetrating (cop killer) bullets. No machine guns. No guns to people on the terrorist watch list (NRA worked to overturn that). A waiting limit and a background check.

      There is no GUN RIGHT in the Constitution -- it's to form a militia, which is a different thing -- more like the national guard. Because the Founding Fathers felt that a standing army would be a threat to Democracy. Flash forward to today where 50% of our budget goes to the Military Industrial Complex with the slogan; "got war?"

      Gun restrictions don't prohibit you from having an arsenal -- just to make sure that crazies don' get arsenals.
    • Pssdoff, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Clearly there aren't enough cameras...
      Or maybe they should attach turrets to the cameras.
  • smurf22, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Yes, but what would you do for a klondike bar?
  • kjcdude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"13-year-old Hakeem Johnston stabbed Noor Kasimi to death in a Holloway Road pizza shop where he worked, after being refused a £1 special offer. The road is also plagued by illegal cigarette sellers"
    Dam you illegal cigarette sellers!!!
    • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1thank god that in the states we have reservations that sell tax free cigs.
    • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1See - smoking IS bad for you!
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Yes, apparently all crime has not been removed in England.

      Guns just make this easier. Sounds like these anecdotal legends that the Right Wing radio fills the airwaves with.

      Anyway, I think that people should be able to get their privacy back if government spying doesn't protect them.
  • Tumin, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Funny how so many of you spout "Orwell" when the problem ISN'T with the government at this point. It's with the people. Now, if any of you have read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and seen the civilian court system they use, I think that's what we really need. Less government won't decrease crime. Angry citizens retaliating against those who break our laws will. Stealing, murder, rape, etc should not be forgivable at this point in a civilized society.

    I suppose one could make the case that retaliating against violence and such with violence or harsh consequences is a bad idea, but studies and time have shown that pain and fear are good tools, and so if people who were not kept in line by morals were perhaps actually afraid of the consequences, we would have less crime. The government isn't at fault here. The people are the government. We need to step it up and vote or whatever in such a way to make changes happen, not bitch about cameras.
    • kn3x, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2whatever you say, Adolf.
    • Tumin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Uhm. Because I'm obviously a racist? What? The stigma behind Hitler is his anti-Jewish anti-Homosexual anti-everythingnotgerman. Just because I think its bad to have crime when the people can prevent it I'm a Nazi?
      • dagnome1984, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Your a racist when it comes to liberty.
    • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sorry but I cannot take your post seriously. You must be having a giraffe sunshine.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0"The Problem is with the people."

      Wow.

      Yes, let's activate the "final solution" and get rid of all the people. Someone, round up all the super models and let us go into the bunker.

      I picture a cowboy riding a nuclear bomb when I listen to people like Tumin.

      "I suppose one could make the case that retaliating against violence and such with violence or harsh consequences is a bad idea, but studies and time have shown that pain and fear are good tools... "
      >> What studies? Americans are by and large not harassed and in fear of being tortured. In countries that do such things -- the government becomes the worst criminal (called oppression). There are millions of soft targets in the US and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can find a way to do great harm.

      Why don't we?

      Because MOST people are decent, and because MOST of us have something to lose by society failing. If i had people like yourself in power -- I might change my mind about that. Just because you fear the dark urges within yourself -- doesn't mean that is the nature of most people.
  • ohpohp, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I don't see Britains proliferation of CCTV being orwellian yet. We don't have them mandatorially installed in our homes, and we don't have a portal spewing government propaganda 24x7 that we can't turn off. Heck, we don't even have Fox news in the UK.

    It's a grim vision of a future that can serve as a warning, but remember that unlike other yardsticks (eg the current or past state of life in communist countries, or countries under some other form of idealogical rule) it's actually a work of fiction, and represents one mans view of the future as seen from the beginning of the cold war.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0And yet you got a NeoCon PM to replace a NeoCon PM.

      Yes, it's harder for them to propagandize you... but still, you went into Iraq and backed up the biggest multi-national corporate dirt bag.

      France now has a NeoCon leader, after they hired street punks to create the "Moslem" threat, and a little assist on rigging the elections (we have corporations like ChoicePoint dedicated to this task, and they also did their magic in Mexico).

      Add to the list Australia and Ukraine (putting in a NeoCon leader in Ukraine is what got Putin to restart the cold war with BushCo).


      • spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You think tony Blair/the Labour Party is neo-conservative? Hahahaha.
  • wiihateeveryone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Some kids tried to mug me outside one of the shops on that road after i'd just bought packet of cigs illegally. that came only a week after i'd been mugged on the same street for my phone. Burn it to the ground i say.
  • tayq1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I live Half a mile away. It is a ***** road. It runs from the bottom of Highgate Hill, one of the most wealthy areas in London, to Upper street with many of the most trendy restaurants and bars. The road runs through an area with lots of low coast council housing and past the biggest women's prison in the UK past a university campus and a magistrates court (where crims hang out on their bad days at work) two underground stations, arsenal football stadium, about 20 pubs (on a two mile road, not joking) and non stop shops selling everything you could think of. Don't get me wrong i like Holloway road.
    • Glassius, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Arsenal? Well, that explains it...no amount of cameras is gonna make up for that!
  • biggD, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2All through the 20th century in the western developed world, the "master's" agenda and the "slave's" agenda were aligned. So much so that all us "slaves" in the west didn't realize there were actually 2 agendas. Only wacky conspiracy nuts made such claims.

    As the agendas begin to diverge in earnest now that we are in the 21st century, and outrageous reports like this become the norm, the 2 agendas will become more and more obvious to everyone with eyes to see.

    Ignorance is the fuel that empowers a few hidden tyrants in their insane quest to maintain control over a threatening waking giant.

    Tyranny, like terrorism is not a physical thing that could ever be fought. The "war on terror" is a scam. Strike down one "tyrant" or "terrorist" and two more pop up. One can never kill it because the seed of it is in all of us. How many revolutions will it take for humanity to see the truth?

    We can inform ourselves and cultivate a superior view that doesn't simply react toward revolution.

    We can develop the ability to fully appreciate the incredible beauty and terror of existence without killing each other. In fact, we can celebrate and cherish the preciousness of existence.

    "Master" and "slave" are terms that result from a deluded point of view. Revolution is the result of that view set in motion.

    Awareness and compassion can transform an armed standoff into a celebration of humanity's existence.

    infowars.com
    prisonplanet.com
    • iiDLii, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3You need to lighten up, get out more maybe even hook up with a nice girl. Stop carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders and relax. Count your blessings, we have never had it so good.
      • biggD, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Hey, you know your right. I think I might just do that. I don't get paid to do this stuff like you do.

        BTW, how is the pay? Hope its good, cause working as a crack filler plugging up a crumbling dam of lies for corrupt bosses can't be all that fulfilling.
        • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Take his advice. Although self-satisfying (I suspect), blabbing on a website is not going to change the world.
    • donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@ BiggD - Thats twice i've seen you post those links. Seriously, stop spouting that *****.
  • mash8591, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5"Are we really moving towards an Orwellian situation where cameras are at every street corner? I really don't think that's the kind of country that I want to live in." I agree. Its going to turn into a situation like in "V for Vendetta".
    • duggtodeath, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Remember, remember the 5th of November.
    • spawnfree, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1master and slave; also known as co-dependent behavior.
      This is the condition effecting everyone that i know, and making the 'masters' accept that they have a problem is an impossibility.
      • iiDLii, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1master and slave wtf? society is mutual-self interest
  • paradexes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Now we just need V.
    All joking aside another method would be to disable the cameras, I am sure that has happened as I really doubt they have cameras watching the cameras. Altho considering the level of stupidty in installing them and still having unsolved crimes happen, I am guessing anything is possible.

    For the longest time there have been those looking to subvert humanity. This is not a new thing. The methods have been refined is all. But the people will revolt and over throw the elite who rule as always. Maybe not in this generation, then certainly the next. Relish in your victory today elitist scumbags because you will not win tomorrow.
  • iznakurnoj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0We no longer have punishments that deter people from doing crimes. A camera will help solve a crime not stop it. What will stop crime is proper punishment.
  • kag9000, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I've just forced my local council to abide by the law by making them erect clearly visible signposting telling people they are entering a CCTV area. The are required to do this under the Information Commissioners Code of Practice. You can do the same.

    The Council have been trying to get the camera's to blend in with the surroundings, housing them in an old victorian street lamp style. Perhaps with these signposts people will again wake up to the fact that they are being constantly watched again. Perhaps not, but at least I have had a go.

    The council have also installed a number of speaker systems and increased the numbers of cameras from the original 70 static and 1 mobile covering a town population of 24,000.

    We hardly ever see a Policeman, I guess they are either too busy being tax collectors now, or hanging around in the just built overbudgeted multi-million pound police station where they can both sit around eating donuts, pissing themselves at the expense of the poor taxpayer.

    Perhaps our forward thinking district council could be a little more honest and erect an electrified barbed wire fence around the place, they might as well because the place already feels like a prison and I'm starting to feel afraid of showering.
  • RationalXubrnce, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0 Sounds like what London really has is an immigration problem. Of course, we can't talk about that, much better to gloss over the real issue.
  • pedrito77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The system is in place now; in a few years camera resolution will improve; and improve and improve..I can't believe anyone will commit a felony with a very high resolution camera recording his face....And I doubt someone covering his face as he walks down the street doesn't bring any suspicion
  • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Cameras enforce the 'police by TV' mentality. Lazy.

    Real Patrols. Real Cops on the street.
    More police presence, with a couple of check points set up once or twice a year.
    Armed with Guns, same goes for the citizens too.

    The British will remain a bunch of helpless sheep until they allow the citizens to properly arm and defend themselves.

    A well armed citizenship is a free people.

    N.R.A. - for Europe!
  • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A well Armed citizenship no longer acts as sheep for criminals.

    Gun Control creates crime.

    Concealed carry permits cure court back logs - no need to imprison dead muggers.
  • neozeed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1As I pointed out to my friend in London, cameras are useless. Oh sure if someone were to harass me, pull a knife, and stab me, and I die, what good is a camera? Are they going to play the footage at my funeral??

    Its *USELESS* That's why NYC is a safer city.

    It takes boots on the streets!

    I mean we have 4x the cops of LA, and per capita we are safer than Toronto... (ps you Canadians need to clean up your act!)
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