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- fpcyber, on 10/11/2007, -1/+63Do it the old fashioned way. Hire officers to be THERE! Wouldn't that help bring the crime down?
- DeathJux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+50WTF are you talking about? Haven't you seen CSI? Just hit "Enhance."
- shootdashit, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50what's interesting is how on ccn they're running a story that cameras are helping in britain and ask "why isn't america (using cameras everywhere)?" i wonder who's pushing that agenda.
- Liam76, on 10/11/2007, -0/+36If it is only a two mile road how about getting some cops to patrol it???
- lickmylovepump, on 10/11/2007, -8/+40has anybody read the end of the book 1984?
- redrock34, on 10/11/2007, -7/+32This should be used as an example of why spying on your citizens DOES NOT WORK!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+24July 7 -- The CCTV images deconstructed
To date, no CCTV images of the four alleged suicide bombers have ever been released showing all four of the accused in London on July 7th 2005. In fact, only one CCTV image has ever been released which purports to show all four of the accused together outside Luton Station, approximately 30 miles from the scenes of the crimes, in which three faces are completely unidentifable.
Of the three images released by the authorities since July 7th 2005, none of them offer any sort of proof that all, or indeed any of the alleged perpetrators, were in London at the time of the attacks.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-cctv-evidence.html - kjcdude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"13-year-old Hakeem Johnston stabbed Noor Kasimi to death in a Holloway Road pizza shop where he worked, after being refused a £1 special offer. The road is also plagued by illegal cigarette sellers"
Dam you illegal cigarette sellers!!! - JohnReb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Tell that to Noor Kasimi
- SteelChicken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12yes, 20 years ago in highschool. refresh our memories.
- dfdub, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11"13-year-old Hakeem Johnston stabbed Noor Kasimi to death in a Holloway Road pizza shop where he worked, after being refused a £1 special offer." - Sounds like a kid in dire need of anger management therapy
- tuzziel, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14The truth about CCTVs used today is that use some ***** black&whilte 320x200 or blury PAL 480p resolution so even if something is actually captured nobody is able recognize *****, I mean 2Mpixel full motion cameras would make a big difference, but these are not available so maybe in the (distant) future CCTVs will be really usefull.
- stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Patrolling the road for crime would divert them from dealing with the menace that is drivers doing 32 in a 30mph zone.
- DiggzDE, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12I think another fact that should be taken into account is that even with firearms being banned, it is obvious that violence has not declined significantly.
"At the time, police disclosed there had been 430 offences committed over six months on Holloway Road, including 29 serious assaults, 15 robberies and 32 burglaries." - wiihateeveryone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Some kids tried to mug me outside one of the shops on that road after i'd just bought packet of cigs illegally. that came only a week after i'd been mugged on the same street for my phone. Burn it to the ground i say.
- Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7You mean the part where they said it was and then later it was released that there was one camera that caught them on tape and 3 out of 4 faces were completely unrecognizable? OH, and they were 30 miles away? Follow up on ALL stories before reporting on them as true. Basically, someone would very much like their multi-billion dollar camera system to seem like it's worth it to those poor taxpayers.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Funny, I think prevention would have been the goal.
Besides, adding cameras won't do diddly-squat against people who aren't too afraid to get caught, and won't stop suicide bombings for obvious reasons. - t0mh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I lived 30 yards off the Holloway Road for 7years, and I can count the number of police I saw in that time on my fingers. I doubt hundreds of police would be nessecary, just *some* police would have been nice though.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6(Framing going high-tech)
"So go to the edit menu and look for Enhance... Hey, what's this 'Edit->Paste Gun' option?" - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Constable On Patrol
- thepeacemaker, on 10/11/2007, -10/+14How is this a violation of privacy? The authorities are simply observing the streets on a tv instead of being there in person - less effective than being there but also a much cheaper option. Even if it doesn't decrease crime it may perhaps aid in identifying the criminals. If installing cameras was a bad idea then how come so many businesses and organizations around the country (walmarts, banks, strip malls, churches, etc) have cameras outside their premises?
- hiPpymIck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4tuesdays Diane Rehm show on NPR was about the plan to copy London CCTV in Manhattan..
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/07/07/10.php#13264 - UberNick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I heard that quote from a reporter live on CNN and almost shat myself. What the *****!?
- smurf22, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Yes, but what would you do for a klondike bar?
- kn3x, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"If installing cameras was a bad idea then how come so many businesses and organizations around the country (walmarts, banks, strip malls, churches, etc) have cameras outside their premises?"
because it's their right to do so; it's their property. this is open, public space we're talking about. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"left" and "right" are scams. Elites rule you.
Their agenda is to lay their command and control grid in preparation for a collapse when any number of things occur. engineered pandemic, peak oil, synthetic Al-CIA-da terrorist attack
infowars.com
prisonplanet.com - donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"Dont get mad, get even" is what you're basically saying. STFU.
- dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -10/+13the new world order
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8O for Orwell?
- Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Welcome to the ***** that is the current state of England.
Bring me back Wilde and we'll talk. - donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah, because you know how our chef's work all the way over there in your bubble-wrapped country.
- irgeorge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4err, knives are banned, in the sense you can't walk around with a knife in your pocket... being as it is an offensive weapon.
- Tumin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Uhm. Because I'm obviously a racist? What? The stigma behind Hitler is his anti-Jewish anti-Homosexual anti-everythingnotgerman. Just because I think its bad to have crime when the people can prevent it I'm a Nazi?
- tayq1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I live Half a mile away. It is a ***** road. It runs from the bottom of Highgate Hill, one of the most wealthy areas in London, to Upper street with many of the most trendy restaurants and bars. The road runs through an area with lots of low coast council housing and past the biggest women's prison in the UK past a university campus and a magistrates court (where crims hang out on their bad days at work) two underground stations, arsenal football stadium, about 20 pubs (on a two mile road, not joking) and non stop shops selling everything you could think of. Don't get me wrong i like Holloway road.
- iiDLii, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3You need to lighten up, get out more maybe even hook up with a nice girl. Stop carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders and relax. Count your blessings, we have never had it so good.
- ohpohp, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I don't see Britains proliferation of CCTV being orwellian yet. We don't have them mandatorially installed in our homes, and we don't have a portal spewing government propaganda 24x7 that we can't turn off. Heck, we don't even have Fox news in the UK.
It's a grim vision of a future that can serve as a warning, but remember that unlike other yardsticks (eg the current or past state of life in communist countries, or countries under some other form of idealogical rule) it's actually a work of fiction, and represents one mans view of the future as seen from the beginning of the cold war. - donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Take his advice. Although self-satisfying (I suspect), blabbing on a website is not going to change the world.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@ BiggD - Thats twice i've seen you post those links. Seriously, stop spouting that *****.
- mash8591, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5"Are we really moving towards an Orwellian situation where cameras are at every street corner? I really don't think that's the kind of country that I want to live in." I agree. Its going to turn into a situation like in "V for Vendetta".
- mos6507, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Cameras have identified criminals in many occasions. You'd be surprised how stupid they can be. If you or someone close to you were a victim of a crime you'd want video evidence considering how hard it is to convict someone of a crime in a modern civilized society.
- scott88008, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I actually read the whole book, not just the end.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You miss the point. No-one wants to be a police officer in this country. Or a nurse/doctor for that matter. There isn't enough interest in the job to simply 'hire a police officer' otherwise it would have (read: should have) been done already. And for the record, we know CCTV doesn't work right now.
- kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1d for dumbass?
- spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You think tony Blair/the Labour Party is neo-conservative? Hahahaha.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, abortion.
- neozeed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1As I pointed out to my friend in London, cameras are useless. Oh sure if someone were to harass me, pull a knife, and stab me, and I die, what good is a camera? Are they going to play the footage at my funeral??
Its *USELESS* That's why NYC is a safer city.
It takes boots on the streets!
I mean we have 4x the cops of LA, and per capita we are safer than Toronto... (ps you Canadians need to clean up your act!) - LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A well Armed citizenship no longer acts as sheep for criminals.
Gun Control creates crime.
Concealed carry permits cure court back logs - no need to imprison dead muggers. - Pssdoff, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Clearly there aren't enough cameras...
Or maybe they should attach turrets to the cameras. - spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1not only is that plain not true (you can walk in to any department store and buy a set of knives), the state of America due to lawsuits make you a far, far more controlled nation.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sorry but I cannot take your post seriously. You must be having a giraffe sunshine.
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