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- lebruf, on 07/09/2009, -15/+183There is no excuse for this idiot's behavior... but it kind of bugs me that the headline seems to focus on the fact that he's Mormon.
Yes, Mormons are more apt to "share" their beliefs with others (Missionaries, TV commercials, etc.) but intimidation, insult, and injury have never been the norm in how the message is shared. If anything, anyone who has converted to the Mormon faith knows exactly what it's like to face the disapproval of others who don't agree with their choice in religion.
I've grown up in the Mormon church my whole life in the US and Canada, so it's not like I've been sheltered from the norms experienced by those who grow up Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc....
Like any other religion, we've got our share of backward, bigoted, and idiotic people, but behavior like this is very much the exception, and not the rule, and nothing I've ever witnessed first-hand. What he did has nothing more to do with the fact that he's Mormon any more than the fact that he's from New Zealand has to do with it.
That being said, I hope this guy gets the disciplining he deserves by the State and by the Church. - chriscim, on 07/09/2009, -1/+68Wow...what a jackass.
- LittleDas, on 07/10/2009, -6/+58Dugg you up because I try to digg up everyone who is talking about religion in a reasonable way. Instead of "OMGOMG THEY'RE PERSECUTING US FOR OUR BELIEFS" or "LOLRELIGION WHAT A BUNCHA FAGS".
- haikuFU, on 07/10/2009, -5/+53You have a citation for that?
I'd be disappointed in my children if they chose to follow some nonsense religion, but I certainly wouldn't bully them over it. - eir574, on 07/10/2009, -11/+58Can you manage to pass up any excuse to reveal your bigotry towards a billion and a half or so people?
- Myonosken, on 07/10/2009, -6/+50Jesus christ, you're ***** retarded.
Just to pander to your bigotry for a second, lets say people accept honour killings in society. Where do you get off claiming he wouldn't get in trouble for it? As far as I can see, New Zealand, Europe and the US generally add on a few more years for honour killings, classing it as pre-considered and cold-blooded. - dogsop, on 07/10/2009, -4/+43Yes but if it had said Muslim rather than Mormon it would have been the lead story on Fox News and would have probably hit the front page even faster than it did.
- visionaryIX, on 07/10/2009, -6/+43This is inevitably going to turn into a religion bashing exercise if it gets promoted further, but I fail to see how the church refusal aspect of it makes any difference. "A 55-year-old man who beat his daughter over the head with a lump of concrete" is equally shocking. This man in no ways is representative of The Mormon church nor of religious people in general.
As sad as it is, humans have repeatedly shown we don't need religion to do awful things to each other. We do them regardless.
And ***** you digg and this bouncing comment box. - misreto, on 07/10/2009, -11/+44I work with tons of mormons. If only they knew I was an atheist. One found out and started attacking me saying I can't have true happiness. I just laughed really really hard.
- breadfred, on 07/10/2009, -5/+35Maybe you don't see us digging sories about atheists beating up their wives for turning Christian because... wait for it... you can't find any?
- chooochooo, on 07/10/2009, -2/+30hmm...concrete? that guy doesn't belong in jail, he should be put in a mental institution...permanently
- mishabear, on 07/10/2009, -1/+27because he was so truly happy himself, apparently.
- Batfishy, on 07/10/2009, -4/+29Honoe killings not OK. Who is going defend them?
- largepork, on 07/10/2009, -2/+25That's right folks, mormons will stab you into conversion!
/s - inactive, on 07/10/2009, -4/+26what siszam is doing here is called "projecting."
It's where they take all the faults they see in themselves and project them onto their ideological opponents. We aren't like that buddy. - method7670, on 07/10/2009, -6/+28Janinco, congratulations for being the biggest tool of the morning.
- pross182, on 07/10/2009, -2/+22I think it's more incidental that he's mormon. This story would still be here if she refused to go to a mosque, temple, or a truck pull.
Though I agree that emphasizing the person's particular religious denomination does single out that particular group negatively. But it would be no different than say that Tillier murder, right wing conservative republicans vs bleeding heart liberal democrats.
Seems like anytime there's a group of people that believe something there's wackos making that group look bad. - davey68, on 07/10/2009, -9/+28As a Mormon I find this APPALLING! But I know the church will do what they will (excommunicate/disfellowship) as I know of 2 people who committed felony's in the ward when I was growing up and they were either disfellowshiped/excommunicated. Both of which did their time in jail/prison and have since come back church much the wiser and humbled by the experience. I really wish that the article hadn't put so much emphasis on the fact that he was Mormon though. But their are bigots everywhere in every race, religion, and nationality.
Hopefully this guy figures out how big of a mistake he really did make after he spends a year in jail! - octover, on 07/10/2009, -0/+17It might actually have more to do with he being from New Zealand, than his religion. I know a Mormon psychiatrist working in New Zealand for the last year from Sweden. One of his cultural shocks was to see physical discipline being standard fare, especially among the Maori. In Sweden physically disciplining your child in any way is illegal.
- jezsik, on 07/10/2009, -1/+17Of course the bible DOES recommend stoning a child for not obeying the parent.
- boomcubist, on 07/10/2009, -3/+19Yeah, about a year ago my mum just decided she was going to give the religious thing a go. She got confirmed and now shes doing some sort of bishops training thing. I hate it, and I've told her. But shes made new friends and she goes out into town every friday night to hand food and hot drinks to homeless people. She enjoys it, shes happy, which makes me happy.
The reason you never hear about Atheists bullying/beating members of their family is because we don't. We disagree, but we accept. - pross182, on 07/10/2009, -3/+19Yes. If it had been, Catholic, Muslim, Republican, Democrat, Knitting Club, Douche practice... an old guy wailing on his daughter for not going to douche practice may have even gotten more diggs.
Any organized group is bound to draw extra attention when one of it's members acts in a negative fasion because it reflects poorly on the other members of that group to outsiders. It also becomes a source of ridicule and attack. That's an unfortunate fact that comes a long with being a member of practically any organization.
p.s. The next douche practice meeting for tuesday has been pushed to 7pm rather than 6pm - largepork, on 07/10/2009, -0/+15It's not like they have a church prison. Mormon church "discipline" is always either a) disfellowshipment (where the offender is disallowed from participating in sacraments), or b) excommunication (where the offender's membership in the church is revoked).
- MateFrio, on 07/10/2009, -11/+26Would this have made it here without the word Mormon in the title?
- curtisag, on 07/10/2009, -8/+23This is an extreme case, but in many religious families, there is often times non-physical abuse (verbal, emotional, etc) directed towards anyone who doesn't conform to their family's accepted beliefs. Some ignorant families will even disown a child if they don't follow the right beliefs. This of course is a rarity, since most children trust their parents implicitly and believe everything they're being told about God.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, indoctrination of children into belief systems before they are old enough to properly comprehend the complex concepts associated with God, heaven, hell, etc, is the last form of legalized child abuse. Hitler had massive Nazi youth programs to brainwash children before they were old enough to think for themselves and question what they're being taught. I don't mean to equate religion to Nazism directly, but it's a fair comparison concerning the well known effectiveness of brainwashing children. - daschupa, on 07/10/2009, -0/+15Well he should be in prison soon, the prosecution has concrete evidence.
- NorthMass, on 07/10/2009, -7/+21Bigotry against anyone is pointless, and I have seen some bigotry against Mormons and I find it saddening.
- pross182, on 07/10/2009, -2/+16Well technically he would use a..... stone to stone his daughter.
- SpinningHead, on 07/10/2009, -1/+13Just to take your retarded bigotry down an extra notch...honor killings are not part of Islam or any specific religion. They are a part of many tribal societies of various religions around the world. Its like creationism. Its not an inherent part of Christianity or any specific religion. It is simply a retarded tradition passed on in certain communities.
- PoizonFrog, on 07/10/2009, -9/+21A man with faith such as his, shall surely see god...
:) - KahRahTay, on 07/10/2009, -2/+14its better than face-rocks
- dwtc, on 07/10/2009, -0/+12I'm not sure what you mean by "turn a blind eye"... That church in Texas split off from the LDS church a long, long time ago, and since then the LDS church has had nothing to do with them, because they're not LDS. It would be like saying the Catholics turn a blind eye to what the Baptists do. It doesn't make any sense because the only relation they have to each other is historical.
And no, the LDS church doesn't get any of their money, so I'm not sure why you put that in the same paragraph. - inigomntoya, on 07/10/2009, -0/+11Whoa - you WIN this conversation.
My only regret is that I have but ONE digg to give to you, good sir. - mishabear, on 07/10/2009, -5/+16“Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honor thy father and mother; that it may be well with thee.” (Ephesians 6:1-3)
Under the Law of Moses, one could even be punished by death. - neo912, on 07/10/2009, -4/+14As I Mormon I can tell you this kind of behavior is not accepted at all within our ranks. Our church leaders come down very hard on spouse and child abuse. We do not make any effort to protect members that do this sort of thing and turn them in if found. Ironic that he's concerned about his daughter attending church when evidently he hasn't accepted even the fundamental teachings of our faith. Oh and btw this happens both ways a lot. I was a missionary in Japan and we had a 14 year old kid got the crap beaten out of him and kicked out of his house for just talking to us. We tried to explain to his parents that he wasn't even joining our church and that we had just talked to him for about 5 min but she hated us so much she took it out on her son. The real problem here is not anyone's religion but psychos that use it as an excuse to hate and terrorize.
- seala, on 07/10/2009, -6/+16I wouldnt link his Mormon Faith with this mans violence with his faith more with his disfunctional extended families' view of women and using violence to solve problems
Sio Muliipu, 19, admitted assaulting his girlfriend with intent to injure.
Prosecutors said Muliipu, a patched gang member, and his girlfriend were sleeping on a single mattress when the attack happened in December last year.
His girlfriend, also 19, got up and asked him if she could go to the toilet. She told police she was not allowed to go to the toilet without his permission.
He grunted and she took that as a `yes', but when she returned he called her a `slut' and took to her with his fists.
Time Finai Muliipu, a 22-year-old unemployed Hastings man, was sentenced for assault...
I dont believe the other men are Mormons- especially the gang menber
and another -Sapo Muliipu of Hastings was yesterday found guilty by a jury in the Napier District Court on a charge of operating the dinghy “in a manner causing unnecessary danger or risk”, after it capsized and his friend Tafaofale Fitimase, 32, drowned - LeepII, on 07/10/2009, -2/+12Religion is the ability to believe you know what is right for other people.
- RudeTurnip, on 07/10/2009, -5/+15If you're that weak minded to worry about some boogetty-man xtian converting you, you're probably getting ***** over by lots of other people already.
- FlibbityGibbity, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10Come on now, aren't the words you just stated a form of judgment? It looks like you did what you are accusing them of. In other words, judgment comes in all shapes and colors. And it happens all the time, by all people.
- RagManX, on 07/10/2009, -1/+11You stay classy!
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -3/+13I don't need a church or religion to make me a better person. On the contrary, the church gives people the ability to be forgiven for their transgressions against others every Sunday, so why bother being good, when all can be forgiven by 'the lord'...
Religion is a crutch, and I do think some weak people do need it to give them a sense of security. I gave up my crutches a long time ago. Now, I walk alone, just as when I was born alone, I shall die alone. - pross182, on 07/10/2009, -3/+12There's always saints and sinners.
I'm not a religious person myself but every group is the same way. For person who acts in exemplory fashion, there are others who don't. For every Ghandi there's a Hitler, for every Nero there's a Jesus, for every Jedi there's a Sith...... balance people.... balance =P
Basically take the good with the bad is what I'm trying to say but I wanted to include Jedi in there somewhere. - inactive, on 07/10/2009, -1/+10It's curious that some people believe that people should have to wait until they're a certain age to be mature enough to make decisions about things like "sex", yet it is okay for a child to be given from the earliest age onward a complete philosophy about why they are on Earth and how Earth was made. No need to wait for them to make a mature decision, it's made for them! They are *BLANK*!
- farboo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9This reminds me of what turned me off Xtianity (well, one of several things): when I was about five a bunch of neighborhood kids beat me up because I refused to say I love Jesus. I didn't know this Jesus guy, how could I love him? So for what they presumably thought was my own good they started wailing on me. Eventually a parent broke it up, and I never did say I had the hots for the Christ.
Now I know this is not typical, and it's certainly contrary to the teaching of most churches, but if a church or Sunday school doesn't emphasize tolerance and universal humanity enough to prevent its followers from becoming violent, those who run it are I think morally if not legally responsible. After all, they claim to have a special understanding of human beings and how they operate, they offer counseling and operate charities that meet human needs. If they are willfully or just negligently blind to the actions that result from their teachings, they are complicit.
I don't know that this individual's Mormon faith had anything particularly to do with this incident, though I do suspect that he wouldn't have done the same thing over his daughter's refusal, say, to go to the mall. We have to accept that religion does stir up powerful emotions. For some people, sports does the same thing--in Europe, teams can be punished for their fans' hooliganism. I'm not advocating that their be any legal sanction for religious leaders, but they should acknowledge misuses of their teachings and work to rectify them.
On the other hand, whoever at Digg is responsible for the bouncy edit box should be the topic of the next episode of Will It Blend (four lidless blenders, one on each limb, should do it). - asgardshill, on 07/10/2009, -1/+10And the freeper spews more of the hatred that IS Free Republic.
- Rudegar, on 07/10/2009, -1/+9"What he did has nothing more to do with the fact that he's Mormon any more than the fact that he's from New Zealand has to do with it."
so you're blaming his proud Uruk-hai heritage ? - PhilliesBlunt, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8Free Republic is neither in actual practice.
- inigomntoya, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8This is not a rabble of mindless Orcs. These are Uruk-hai. Their armor is thick and their shields broad.
They do not come to destroy Rohan’s crops or villages. They come to destroy its people. Down to the last child! - cromulent742, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
- CoffeeJedi, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7No TRUE Scotsman would do such a thing!
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