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- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19It was noted, in the article, that this is under discussion by the EU's Article Six committee. I think their (Guardian) intent is to raise a red flag before this is coded into law.
The Observer/Guardian story was sourced from:
http://www.statewatch.org. http://www.statewatch.org/news/2006/jul/08fingerprinting-children.htm - topato, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@dignon
Wow! You have us americans pegged! We all just sit around watching CNN, MSNBC, and all the other new networks unquestioningly.Many of us worship Anderson Cooper and Bill O'Reily as Gods. As Americans, we feel that any journalistic outlet outside of the USA (GOD BLESS AMERICA) is full of commies and illegal mexican imigrants. GOD BLESS AMERICA! THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!
(Sarcasm Over) - vinbob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The Labour government in England has been just active as the US in slowly stripping citizens of their rights by stealth for years now.
They just take a softer, stealthier approach to their social engineering tactics. - monkeymad2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Think ahead, cut off your children's fingers as soon as they're born!
- bebop717, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Oh think of the children! Oh, Won't Somebody Please Think of the Children?
It had to be done. - sp3tt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot. I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot..."
- jakatak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9To remove your fingerprints, you will need:
A lobotomy
Hands
A Hatchet
About one minute
And a phone to call 911 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10To remove your fingerprints, you will need:
Pineapple
Hands (you're born with them if you're lucky)
About half an hour
A needle
First of all, in pineapples there is an acid called pectin; this acid can burn just enough to get rid of your fingerprints permanently, with just a little pain.
1. Cut a few slices of pineapple.
2. On each finger make 3 or 4 small holes with the needle.
3. Place you newly scarred fingers onto your pineapple and hold them there.
4. Wait 30 minutess (it will sting a bit but its worth it).
5. Remove your hand and voila! You now have no finger prints!
This should be permanent.
If you find after about 6 months they come back you just need to press harder with the needle. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Wait a minute! How did the Patriot Act get ahold of the British too? Omg it's like a damn virus!
Well, at least we know that the children's fingerprints will help in the fight against "terr-r". - there, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Britain is already bordering on facism. Wars of agression. Cameras everywhere. Automobile tracking. Email snooping. Shoot on sight.
Thank Blair.
A closest conservative that infiltrated the labor party and basically does whatever his masters tell him. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7When I hear about this kind of stuff in the USA I sort of expect it, but in the UK? Damn. I guess Canada is next on the agenda...
I know this isn't slashdot, but someone's gotta have a link to a howto for a tinfoil hat lying around. Help me out here. - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I read this this morning and nearly vomited into my cereal.
Whoever these guys are who keep thinking "well the technology makes it possible, so we should do it without questioning the morality of it" deserves a place in the deepest circle of hell. - Akram, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5TOO LATE! My School in the UK fingerprinted us about 5 years ago, claiming it was for the Library....BS! We never used it and someone asked one of the IT staff at school to find out it was incase we stole something they could ID us. They also happened to have this spray they placed on all equipment which picked up finger prints for easy seeing in UV.
- DannoHung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You have to make the leap of faith that the government has the best interests of its citizens in mind.
In the course of human history, this has rarely been the case. - farm3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@bartbrinkman
I think that pineapple will not work for the DNA. You might have to resort to mango. - Zenithan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well, under Harper, we probably will be next.
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I discovered the Guardian post-911, and found it to be one of the more reliable "mainstream" sources of important news and critical opinion that was being buried/ignored by American media. I highly recommend it to anyone who reads US media and has that "something's missing" feeling.
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They already did this to my and my classmates in 1st or 2nd grade: a field trip to visit the police station, they show you how fun it is to get fingerprinted, and *bam* you're in their system.
- ryanknapper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Detriot is not in Europe.
- ordepmod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You should also remember, most definitely, Alan Turing in the same breath!
Without some major influence from the British - computers would have had a later start. - siliconglen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There's a few comments along the lines of "but you don't need to do this unless you need a passport". Bear in mind however, that until national ID cards are introduced in the UK, the passport and driving licence are the only two forms of ID accepted if you want to fly, even on a flight where no passport control is necessary. So if you don't drive then you will need a passport to fly from say Lerwick to London. The alternative is a very long ferry and then another very long train journey. This is of course a compulsory national ID scheme by the back door.
"Instead of wasting hundreds of millions of pounds on compulsory ID cards as the Tory Right demand, let that money provide thousands more police officers on the beat in our local communities" Tony Blair, 1995. - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"When I hear about this kind of stuff in the USA I sort of expect it, but in the UK? Damn."
Yeah? Your expectation is iironic isn't it ... the UK has no inconvenient Constitution that has to be subverted first. - Kained, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5jakatak, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, a British citizen invented the web.
Learn a little history before you mouth off. - graystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fold to look like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg - daonlyfreez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Putting on my tin-foil-hat: They are already taking blood samples from all babies in hospitals :p
- founderofpork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, that's pretty awesome. Can anyone verify this? A brief google search turned up nothing of interest. I'm not sure I'd ever actually remove my own fingerprints, but who knows what the future may hold...
- Computer_Kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And this will protect children how? Just watch over your kids and they wont get abducted.
- geoncoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 I also remember back when I was 6 or so that each student in our class had their fingerprints taken. Granted this is when Michael Jackson wasn't white. Most of the privacy hype that is in the news recently has either previously been implemented years ago or everyone always believed to be true. Everyone believed before that the CIA was monitoring and screening international and/or domestic phone calls. I would be more shocked if they weren't.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they do it here in the us voluntarily..in the form of easy identifiation if something happens to your child.
all they have to do is sell it like that.
Just like if i said every the us is going to require every american carry a GPS device that could be used to track them or find them.. people would freak
bundle it in a cell phone and everyones got one.
yeah you can choose to not carry it.. there is no law, but most people will carry it
People guard there private info, but they will give at way for a few cents of grocceries
People will put up with a lot if you find the right way to bundle and sell it - dazeweeble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In Chicago, I remember when I was a kid my elementary school took fingerprints and photos of everyone at school. At the time it was a level of protection just in case any child from my school got kidnapped.
- jimmycurN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mengoxon
"all children will have to attend a finger-printing centre to obtain an EU passport"
It depends on how you read it. Maybe all children have to attend a finger-printing centre AND have to obtain an EU passport. - john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree, and thanks for being so graphic about it.
- bartbrinkman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm, how about removing your DNA then? Because that's the next thing they come up with in about 10 years or so...
- ryanknapper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I had my fingerprints recorded as a child. My mother said it was for just that reason; if something happened to me. I think she just knew how I'd turn out.
- DeadDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If anyone read the article, their not requiring finger prints unless you're getting a passport, which is just common sence. Do you want someone else using your passport?
Finger printing children is something you bitch at until someone grabs your kid, and sales him to a barren french couple. - kadio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1he'll save children, but not the british children.
- yada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0police departments all over america have been fingerprinting school age children for at least 30 years -- supposed to protect them.. so they say, anyway. ya right.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@xavihax0r, While I agree that attacking a paper's credibility isn't a valid form of debate, the Guardian's history of sensationalism is worth a look, if only for a laugh:
"Armed and dangerous - Flipper the firing dolphin let loose by Katrina"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.html - Mengoxon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0jimmy - it does not really depend on how you read it at all...
In almost all European countries we have two forms of ID: a passport and a national ID, everyone is required to have a national ID (UK only recently introduced these) but only people wanting to travel outside of the EU need a passport - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It's not the government's task to control and track our daily lives. The government exists (in theory) to support the will of the people, not to enforce their will on the people. You don't see anything wrong, so maybe you could provide them with a DNA sample or a cast of your dick too? Who knows when a naked criminal falls in some wet cement and runs off leaving no fingerprints. If you've got nothing to hide, why should you object?
- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm still trying to understand EU politics. So there isn't a such thing as aUK passport. If they want to leave the EU they must have a EU passport?
I'm just asking questions. I'm not being critical because EU politics is new to me and it spretty interesting(a lot better than hearing the same old tribal poltics in oklahoma).
Anyway with the finger printing... In the state of oklahoma it is required that you now have an ID that has a barcode of your finger print.. My passport has a scanning thingy on it also...I dunno when I came back to the US the custom guy just scanned my passport and it pulled p the info on the PC....Kinda crazy because no one else did this(when I was in Germany and Turkey) - jimmycurN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mengoxon
I can't find anything official that explicitly says this would affect all children, so I'll concede this to you. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I really don't get the problem with this - the only downside I can see is if you want to take up a life of crime.
Why is it always the liberals & hippies who are always the ones to start whining about this sort of stuff or us being too tough on crime - yet these are the first to complain when they get robbed, mugged or something.
So what if they take your prints & DNA - what can they actually do with it that is not related to catching criminals? - kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Some places actually lie to teens and say its mandatory
- Mengoxon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6you know, people who submit stories should at least read the article:
children will have to attend a finger-printing centre to obtain an EU passport
There is no passport requirement if you do not travel outside of the EU and therefore no fingerprinting requirement. BTW: the EU is introducing the biometric passport because the US is forcing us.
I agree with xavihax0r, it's a pity to see such sensationalist articles in serious newspapers. - Burritovision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0this should not occur.
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Anyone know where I can buy a My First James Bond kit, with fingerprint covers for mini me's?
Seriously, what a disgrace. Go waste our tax dollars somewhere else. - IKilled007, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2They need to be able to identify the Jews immediately.
Europe... the anus of the world. - xavihax0r, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8while i can't say with total confidence that this story is false, we must remember that the guardian loves scary titles and rumors more than it does about factual reporting
- Cypher000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3IMO, I don't really have a problem with the government having my own fingerprints or my kids unless you do something bad there is really nothing wrong with it unless your crazy and think that the government is somehow going to use your fingerprints in some plot I don't see what they could possibly do that would be so bad about having them on hand.
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