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- Mr_Lyle, on 01/07/2009, -146/+396You know, a few years ago I was watching TV, watching CNN. They showed footage from Gaza and the West Bank. There were people in the streets by the thousands. Men, women and children. They were all cheering. It was like watching a championship parade when a sports team wins the championship after a long, hard season. I've never seen them so happy before, I mean the look of joy on their faces was truly a sight to see. Can you guess what the date was? Yeah, I bet you can. While close to 4000 innocent Americans were either dead or dying, those people were having the time of their lives. Now, I'm not happy about what's going on over there with everything that's happening to those people. I will certainly not cheer at their suffering. But after seeing that footage while the towers went down, men, women and children having the time of their lives and burning American flags, the one thing those people will never have is my sympathy...Ever. To put it very simply, If a guy dances on the grave of one of my family members, don't expect me to feel bad when I hear that he died in a car crash a few years later.
Every single Arab nation (with the exception of maybe Egypt, I'm not entirely sure) are dictatorships. After Israel pulled out of Gaza, elections were actually held over there. What did they do with their new found democracy? Elect a terrorist organization into power. I respect the democratic process above everything, people fought and died for our right to vote, and people fought and died for the Palestinians' right to vote and this is what they do with the greatest gift that could have possibly been given to their society. Well you know something, In a democratic society, the people are responsible for the government they elect. They say they want peace, yet they elect a group who's charter declares that they will not stop until Israel is destroyed. I'm sorry but that doesn't go hand in hand with wanting peace. This is the choice they made, the government they elected did exactly what it said it would do and now them and their government are paying the price.
I honestly hope this ends soon, war solves nothing. But after seeing their reaction on 9/11, I will NEVER feel bad for those people. I'm incapable of it. - flashingcurser, on 01/06/2009, -121/+340Someday Palestinians may love their children more than they hate Israel. Then there will be peace, hopefully soon.
- drz130, on 01/06/2009, -135/+303Very sad. In its bid to win the media war, Hamas has booby trapped munitions in the UN school, then fired mortars from the school, so Israel would trigger their trap and their sacrificial lambs would be slaughtered in Hamas' trap.
- richmomz, on 01/07/2009, -163/+313- Number of innocent Israelis killed by Hamas rocket attacks since 2002: 19
- Number of innocent Palestinians killed by IDF forces TODAY: 77+ - no2gates, on 01/06/2009, -37/+184There's no winner here no matter which side you prefer.
- markus9, on 01/07/2009, -209/+325Even more pro-israel propaganda.
- PuterPrsn, on 01/07/2009, -78/+170And your point is...?? Wars are not totted up by the number of dead. Israel has had to construct bomb shelters in every block because of Hamas. Hamas has admitted to placing their missile platforms in schoolyards, residential areas, and near population centers on purpose for photo ops of the "collateral damage". The blame for all 96+ deaths is squarely on Hamas.
- Janinco, on 01/06/2009, -81/+157It's Hamas that cowardly hides in hospitals, schools, mosques and among women and children!
- daskalou, on 01/07/2009, -46/+120***** the RIAA.
- thejokker, on 01/07/2009, -40/+111this is a war that must be won, not resolved. Talking heads love to talk about resolving conflicts, but in reality this is a war between a UN member and a terrorist group running a neighbor country/government/area.
Stop talking about a cease-fire. The Hamas charter calls for the extermination of Israel, you can't negotiate around that. - bakshi, on 01/07/2009, -18/+87I remember seeing that footage on 9/11. It was scary. I was in study hall as a Freshman in high school when a teacher came in and told us that a plane just hit the World Trade Center and there was a huge gaping hole in it on the TV in the library
When I got home that day and put on CNN, I saw footage of the Palestinians jubilant at the news and there is no way you can deny it. Yes, most Palestinians are innocent and they want peace with Israel. However, when you have a terrorist organization running the Gaza strip, things don't happen that way.
While I don't like Israel's incursion into the Gaza strip, I think Hamas started the conflict first and they are just using their own people in a suicidal path to achieve a goal that is impossible to win. They are just like the Taliban of Afghanistan.
Many of the people on digg who call Israeli's murderers and people who are committing genocide on the Palestinians are close minded ignorant idiots. How would you feel if Canadian terrorists were launching rockets into your country and the government of Canada did nothing to stop them? Would you turn the other cheek and let it continue?
You are denying Israel the right to defend herself. - InsertAName, on 01/07/2009, -44/+108This is pretty biased. Both sides are wrong in their actions.
Hamas is yes, a terrorist organization. They were born out of the oppression of their people by Israel, but they're still a terrorist organization that's shooting rockets at civilians.
Yet Israel responds to these attack with overwhelming force.
No one's right in this situation, that's not how it works with something like this.
Who do I feel bad for? The Palestinian people. They're caught up in the middle and are pretty much the only ones dying. - Bartboy919, on 01/07/2009, -12/+71I THROW MY SHOE AT HAMAS!!
- tjex, on 01/07/2009, -12/+70Can you post where you're getting that info from? I've heard that they fired mortars close to the school but this is the first time which is deplorable but this is the first time I've heard of explosives stored in the school. Looking for an official word from the UN since it was their school that was bombed.
Though for some reason I'm scpetical that the UN would allow weapons to be stored in their school - Kvasaari, on 01/07/2009, -6/+59Palestinians can't win, because they don't have real army. Israel can't win, because they don't want to eliminate (kill) all the palestinians. So he's right, there is no winner in this war.
- pstroll, on 01/07/2009, -103/+153I think it is time to exterminate God.
- mareln72, on 01/06/2009, -94/+144Hamas is camel dung !
- PuterPrsn, on 01/07/2009, -8/+56I don't think it's the "Palestinians" per se, I think it's the fanatics - Hamas - that have everyone ducking and weaving. Most of the "people" would just as soon they quit, but have both their fear and their religion driving against their intellect.
- inactive, on 01/07/2009, -23/+65Don't forget the fact that the Saudis, the Arab League and President Mubarak of Egypt are all sick of their *****, too.
But keep cheering for those hateful thugs to bury the Israelis! - darienphoenix, on 01/07/2009, -5/+47The difference being that Israel doesn't set out do do exactly that, nor do they use innocent people and children as human shields.
Hamas creates situations where it is impossible to get to them without killing innocent people in the process. Israel isn't a saint, but Hamas is just plain evil. Firing rockets is one thing, basing your rockets intentionally in civilian areas in order to create news headlines for gullible westerners when those civilians are killed in the counterattack, is quite another. - gerbil20, on 01/07/2009, -10/+52Ordinary palestinians, whom I know great many, know well who their enemies are. But those who dare to speak up against the "patriotic" "resistance" fighters, end up as casualties of car "accidents" and fatal "settler" shooting attacks. Or just getting their bones broken by hamas thugs.
- TheCollective00, on 01/07/2009, -30/+70You must be the only one who doesn't see anything wrong with hamas boobie trapping the schools so their enemy could destroy them more easily.
- PuterPrsn, on 01/07/2009, -14/+54How many times must the Israelis agree to a cease fire, and pull themselves back and cease THEIR fire while still being shelled by Hamas et al before you will see that they don't want this war - it was thrust upon them. They were quite content with their little country as it was given to them - it was the surrounding Arabs that started the whole shebang with the six day war ... which the Arabs lost!
- opiniastrous, on 01/07/2009, -7/+45@Mullinator
"That essentially means Israel should find another way of stopping the rockets than bombing them."
Why don't you suggest a way? If you can't think of one, I will help you. How about a ground operation? If you're going to push far into enemy-held territory safely, you're going to need at least a Company Team (CT), with the combat power of approximately 100 men (although the urban environment practically dictates that armoured vehicles and a combat engineer detachment will be necessary at a minimum). You'll also need air support, just in case you are ambushed. Further, you'll need a Quick Reaction Force ready to secure a site for casualty evacuation and a Battalion reserve ready at your Forward Operating Base to assist in a contact, just in case the QRF isn't large enough. Don't forget your logistical support though. Urban warfare places an enormous drain on ammunition stocks, so you'll need to make sure you've got a logistical resupply plan, and a force to protect your supply chain.
If you can plan all that really quickly, you might be able to get your operation up and running in 24 hours. Of course, the militants will have left by then, so you will have just put your own troops in harm's way for no reason. In fact, even if they were dumb enough to stay, they'd probably be able to slip away and hide amongst the civil population when they see you coming. If they were even dumber and decided to fight, well then you'd have approximately four tanks, 70 men and aircraft all fighting into the one area (that's a guess, I'm not 100% aware of IDF unit structures). Frankly, that's going to net you a lot more casualties than a single small precision-guided bomb.
The fact of the matter is that an airstrike is quick, effective and less dangerous to both the IDF and the population around. Combine that with the fact that Israel's Information Warfare campaign is doing everything it can to prevent civilian casualties (for instance, warning civilians to avoid Hamas weapons caches using mass SMS mailing lists) and they really are far safer. The reason Israel cannot stop all casualties is because of the difficulties of the environment and the deliberate attempts of Hamas to ensure Palestinian people die for propaganda purposes.
@Bodhinature
Just because you can throw a bunch of words like "strategic police actions," "special forces" and "Hamas strongholds" into a comment, it doesn't mean you know what the ***** you're talking about. You clearly have no idea whatsoever about military operations. The real world isn't like ***** Hollywood movies and Counter Strike. People don't go jumping around yelling 'headshot!" or firing assault rifles with one hand.
You all need to realise that just because you've seen a lot of movies, you're not experts on how to prevent unwanted casualties in a complex operating environment. Hence, your criticisms of the IDF are null and void; you simply don't know what you're talking about. GTFO. - jwolcott, on 01/07/2009, -10/+47[citation needed]
- DaneTrain, on 01/07/2009, -0/+36http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
It is indeed true - t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -21/+56I believe the Arab world has already tried to take down Israel, and got their ass handed to them.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 01/07/2009, -12/+45Wrangler76 wrote:
> "[...] Digg seems to be focused on Hamas."
You really haven't been paying much attention, have you? A significant number of comments on any of the submissions about this situation are quite plainly anti-Israel. - thecoolestguy, on 01/07/2009, -45/+78And how many Palestinians mothers have cried "May God exterminate Israel!" ?? New York post, which is filled with Jewish nationalists, will never report this.
- doom777, on 01/07/2009, -10/+42What were they supposed to do? Let Hamas shoot them from the school?
- Tynan, on 01/07/2009, -17/+47Thought experiment: if Israel strapped women and children to their tanks, and then attacked a Hamas stronghold, and Hamas fighters destroyed all the tanks (killing all the civilians in the process), would it then be Hamas' fault that those Israeli civilians died?
- gwhardyiv, on 01/07/2009, -5/+35I don't think that this article is enough to establish the premise that the Palestinians generally accept that their own people are the cause for their current suffering.
To be fair, this article does seem to serve little purpose other than to lay blame, and to exculpate Israel for the destruction in Gaza.
Regardless of which side you are on, we should all be wary of media manipulation. - t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -8/+36Mull,
If Mexico was sending suicide bombers into our country, would you agree to "open up" the border with them?
All Israel wants is to exist. - Octopus33Prime, on 01/07/2009, -53/+81Israel believes that non Jews are inferior people. This clearly extends to Palestinians. America needs to stop funding this war. Hamas may have shot the first rocket, but Gaza has been under blockades for 3 years, preventing them from getting food and supplies, making it a place void of industrialization due to their situation. Both sides have blood on their hands, it's unfair to be so biased against Hamas in this case. 95% of their funding goes to social programs, where as most of Israels goes to weaponry. A continuing American involvement in this situation can do no good. I hope Obama has a better outlook on the situation than the current administration.
This was brought upon us because of fundamentalism, more and more I see that Richard Dawkins was right in his assessment that religion is "virus". - Wrangler76, on 01/07/2009, -8/+36Spot on. You're going to get buried as much as you're going to get dugg up though because a ton of pro-israel diggers have joined in the past few days.
- zuiquan, on 01/07/2009, -32/+60Listen Chris, I'm pretty sure that we ***** over Mexico pretty good back in the day when we decided that California looked better on our side of the border than on theirs. So if Mexico started lobbing ***** rockets into San Diego I'm pretty sure we'd go over there and kick the ever loving piss out of them. Israel is being pretty restrained considering what I'm sure our response would be. I mean Iraq didn't even throw as much as a rock at our civilian populace and look what happened to them.
Perspective my friend, find some. - westlawn, on 01/07/2009, -6/+34http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOJCQr1Now
- t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -17/+43Israel doesn't WANT to be fighting.
Hamas holds all the cards to stop this killing, all they need to do is stop firing rockets. That's all. Hamas broke the ceasefire. Hamas can agree to disarm. Where the hell all this anti-Israel sentiment comes from, I have no idea. There can't be THAT many people that still hate Jews, right? - tjex, on 01/07/2009, -3/+29Lebanon is a democratic country (sort of), Egypt is pretty much a dictatorship.
- t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -43/+68I can't believe the ignorance of some people.
If the Palestinians understand who is at fault here, shouldn't you? - DaneTrain, on 01/07/2009, -2/+27Well said, I tend to agree with most of the left leaning material that shows up on digg, but I can't get behind this seemingly blind hatred for Israel. By no means do I think Israel is without some blame for some of their methods. But if the representative government of Mexico starting firing rockets into San Diego, I would expect the U.S. to ensure, to their best ability, that this wouldn't happen again. The most important duty of the government, by far, is to protect its populace, and it isn't fulfilling this duty if it allows random rocket attacks into its territory.
- zuiquan, on 01/07/2009, -2/+27frozen74 as long as people like you exist in this world there would not be any peace.
- gerbil20, on 01/07/2009, -11/+36Actually every conflict in the history of humankind was resolved by war.
Would Germany be the same prosperous democratic country if allies would have declared truce with Hitler, rather than bomb Germany into unconditional surrender? - Ovalteen, on 01/07/2009, -15/+39"Though for some reason I'm scpetical that the UN would allow weapons to be stored in their school"
What exactly is the UN going to do about it? Send them a stern letter on angry-looking stationery? - pintomp3, on 01/07/2009, -5/+29He promised the same land to two people. Worst Real-Estate Agent Ever.
- OSXpert, on 01/07/2009, -12/+36Listen, the only thing that should be exterminating humans is a Dalek.
- inactive, on 01/06/2009, -23/+47Wrong. The winner is the one who kills enough of his enemies and/or destroys enough of his infrastructure to cause the other side to lose the will to fight on.
I don't know where the ridiculous notion that "war has no winners" ever came from. It is historically inaccurate, and appeals to the thinnest strand of the natural desire for peace, but ignores completely the realities of war. - inactive, on 01/07/2009, -11/+34Its a classic tactic among Islamic Militant. even the taliban had ammo caches hidden School. Its a PR stunt to make the Infidels Baby Killers.
- t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -8/+31ISN'T Hamas camel *****?
- t3hbagel, on 01/07/2009, -5/+27That makes firing rockets just because they can OK?
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